Dept 'needs' empty R3.6m/month building

2011-08-23 22:39

Johannesburg - The justice department needed extra office space due to "structural growth", Minister Jeff Radebe said on Tuesday, explaining why it was leasing an empty building.

In addition, it was given notice by one of its landlords.

Earlier this month, Radebe replied to a parliamentary question confirming his department was leasing an empty building in Pretoria for R3.6m a month.

Rental was paid from January 2010, but the building would only be occupied from November this year, apparently because it was still being modified to suit the new tenants.

Radebe said in a statement it was necessary to seek alternative accommodation for "structural growth" and "the need to accommodate staff in an environment that must promote productivity and efficiency".

Accommodation problems could affect the department's ability to effectively discharge its mandate.

The Pretoria sections of the state attorney's and master of the high court's offices required new premises, and were currently accommodated in leased buildings.

The state attorney's office had been given notice as its lease period had expired and the building, Manaka Heights, had been bought by a new landlord.

The master of the high court's office was currently in the Sanlam Forum Building.

This was also a leased building and several complaints had been received regarding its general maintenance. In addition, that office required more space than was available in its present location.

Additional accommodation was also required for the department's national office because of more staff.

"This is reflected by the fact that the department is currently occupying three different buildings in Pretoria that make up the national office," Radebe said.

These three buildings could not accommodate the department's growth, hence the need for another building.

The national office included the ministry, the director-general, the chief operations officer and all deputy directors-general.

These sections would move to the new building, he said.

  • Grant - 2011-08-23 22:49

    eish, I don't know what is worse, the fact that they are paying these huge sums of money for an unused, empty building or that Radebe feels he can justify it!

      Sedick - 2011-08-23 22:56

      If you don't work for it, you don't respect it.........A$$HOLES.......I wonder which Cadre is getting the back-hander?????

      debrakayestylist - 2011-08-24 02:28

      They "NEED" a swift kick in their mansion dwelling, embezzling butts! Like "Moeletsi Mbeki FOR President" on facebook if you are tired of this nonsense!

      Netherlands - 2011-08-24 06:06

      ?????????????????????????? Serious....????????????????????????? What the F for?

      Rolie - 2011-08-24 07:43

      Somewhere down the line there is a financial link between this building and Radebe. Watch this space!!

      Godesha - 2011-08-24 07:44

      @Netherlands. You are asking what for? The answer is clear in Mr Radebe's statement: "the need to accommodate staff in an environment that must promote productivity and efficiency". Oh please!!!

      Felix - 2011-08-24 08:07

      Which is more important, the office space or the kickbacks?

      Vlooi - 2011-08-24 08:09

      Two scenarios: 1 - Jeff cannot afford to lose the back-hander 2 - Person paying the back-hander is threatening to spill the beans.

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-24 08:44

      @ Godesha - how do you accommodate staff in an empty building - the building's empty so how can it have staff

      Sue - 2011-08-24 08:53

      agree, but how much are they spending on fixing it? over a year to "fix" it!!!

      Wired - 2011-08-24 09:20

      21 months x 3.6m = 1050 RDP houses that someone could have had...

  • slg - 2011-08-23 23:07

    Who's the landlord?

      Netherlands - 2011-08-24 06:08

      THat is the QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who is the Landlord???? Wonder if his name starts with.... "R"...for ROUX?

      York Hunt - 2011-08-24 09:37

      That, dear Sig, IS THE QUESTION!!!

  • Sean - 2011-08-23 23:30

    Arsehole - a minister of transport(fail) and now a minister of justice(joke) JUSTIFYING waste of taxpayers money

      hvklein - 2011-08-24 08:29

      Sean - This proves once again that you do not need a brain to be a minister. They all think they are untouchable and in most cases a brain would just be an obstacle. The real and sad truth is that all these "transactions" help the ministers to boost their "income". Fire the lot of them!

      Craigr - 2011-08-24 10:30

      Within a year one of them will screw up even further, get a smack on the hand for it. Then made Minister of Health or something.

  • GT - 2011-08-23 23:55

    I can clear out my garage and I will let it stand empty for half the price

      Netherlands - 2011-08-24 06:09

      I wonder who the REAL CRIMINALS ARE HERE? Still the WHITES?

      Felix - 2011-08-24 08:09

      Relax Netherlands, you are starting to think like they want you to. Corrupt A$$holes come in all flavours.

  • Martin - 2011-08-24 00:12

    3.6 bar/month and then it takes 23 months to renovate....must be one hell of a place. You could buy a building worth 400 bar building for that money. Crazy!!!!

      kalabafazi - 2011-08-24 10:21

      I was wondering about the same thing. Surely as a tennant and the property needs renovating, you don't pay rent until you have moved into the building.

      Craigr - 2011-08-24 10:45

      Gig... the justice department need the bigger, better, more sophisticated offices so they can uncover financial mismanagement by goverment departments.

  • fragtion - 2011-08-24 00:32

    Well, you can HAVE my building for that price. R3.6 MILLION a month RENT for a building. That's TAXPAYER's money. And at the same time Malema wants to repossess white land WITHOUT compensation because the black majority has NO MONEY, yet he's a corrupt multimillionaire himself? And he still has millions of IGNORANT idiotic supporters? And some of them troll THESE forums? Ignorant incompetent foolish idiots. Not because I say so, but because of the objective reality fact of the matter. Don't like it? Start doing something about it

      zwait - 2011-08-24 02:06

      I guess sometimes black ppl are confusing themselves by nothing. How do u rent a place without occupying it, i mean as far as i know the landlord must renovate the place before you can occupy it. Sometimes you can just cry in tears because this government is killing us PERIOD! Nxa. Why can't they build a new office & stop renting?

      John Wilderness - 2011-08-24 02:50

      @Fragtion - The apartheid National party also had its IGNORANT idiotic supporters for almost 50 years and they remain ignorant and idiotic to this day even when decades ago the free deomcratic world warned them of the disaster that will come as a result of their mindless support for a tyranical corrupt racist apartheid govenment. Today everybody weeps as a consequence of that action.

      HardHitter - 2011-08-24 06:53

      @John Wilderness. YOu do belong in the Wilderness. At least, apartheid built hospitals, schools, clinics, supplied this lot with electricity and and and. They had jobs, everything, in their place. Look what your Icon Mandela has given them, poverty, aids, hunger, unemployment, no electicity, no houses. Come again and tell us how bad apaartheid was.

      fragtion - 2011-08-24 07:05

      @John Wilderness: Perhaps not until you're directly affected by 6 armed thugs raiding your home and exploiting your closest women, stealing everything you've worked for (had they even invented the wheel yet?), and then finally shredding you till your walls are painted red, will your irrational, politically correct, ignorant liberal delusion be overcome by the harsher reality aka truth: that the N.P. were far from being ignorant when they chose to build that race-wall. Of course aparthe1d is morally wrong in principle, but when you take into account that the people you're supposed to be treating as equals have no intent on returning the golden-rule behaviour, then defence (far from becoming discrimination) becomes justified survival necessity

      erazor - 2011-08-24 12:04

      @wilderness. Yes, wrongs were done in the past. The nats were wrong, that is why they are no longer in power. So how do you use that PAST wrong to justify the ANC's current wrongdoing? Strop living in the past and WAKE UP!!! How about setting your sights higher; we all deserve better than the cANCer.

      Mark - 2011-08-24 13:30

      i was wonder where the ignorant, uneducated trolls where. Thanks for showing up Mr wilderness. We sometimes need an uneducated comment to laugh in situations like these.

  • zwait - 2011-08-24 02:10

    Um sorry but some ppl will go to hell. Leviticus 19:11, "Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another."

      tryanything - 2011-08-24 06:37

      Anc scores Full marks here Hope whoever Organises the space down there books well ahead ...

  • croix - 2011-08-24 03:57

    "Accommodation problems could affect the department's ability to effectively discharge its mandate" - Well Mr Minister, it also seems that a suspected lack of common sense is affecting YOUR own ability to "effectively discharge YOUR mandate"! How can anyone justify wastage?

      umlaut - 2011-08-24 09:08

      It is easy to justify---you just say you belong to the anc....!!!!!!

  • Babba x - 2011-08-24 06:02

    20+ months we have to pay for an empty building because somewhere in the future we will be moving into it? Eish, I must scratch my head, eat my chicken and go sit under the tree. Yes, my comrade/s that is benefitting from this will be visiting soon, Usually, landlord/tenant deals are agreed based on the premise that rental/lease will only commence once the refurbishment has been comnpleted at the expense of the landlord as this is factored into the monthly rent. I can see that the refurbishment has gone to some comrades and the dept funded this... The longer ot takes the more money the comrades can make from the deal

      Netherlands - 2011-08-24 06:12

      That is CORRECT @ Bubba x... once the RENOVATIONS ARE COMPLETE, ONLY THEN does the MONTHLY PAYMENT COMMENCE!!!! Has this not been told to Govt??? Follow the MONEY TRAIL... and someone HAS TO BE BLAMED FOR THIS FOOLISHNESS!!!!! Go JEFF... you THIEF YOU!!!!!

  • HardHitter - 2011-08-24 06:50

    ...and the ANC's own people who vote for them every time are dying of hunger. And they waste. A fool who will vote for the ANC is born every minute.

      Kevin - 2011-08-24 08:41

      Make that born every 50 milliseconds

  • Thabo Matwabeng - 2011-08-24 07:01

    Maybe if I join the Progressive Business Forum I can convince the government they need a small furnished flatlet at an inflated rental price. That way I can get an extra income without actually having to deal witha tenant. For those who do not know, the Progressive Business Forum is a voluntary organisation created by the ANC that businesses can belong to. You pay a hefty membership fee and that gives you access to importat people in government. It is a clever way to get people who want government contracts to fund the ANC. I don't know if it is just me, but 'perverse' comes to mind when I think of it. We need a new song. Kill the WaBenzi. Google it.

      umlaut - 2011-08-24 09:16

      So in effect the heavy membership fee you get back again when you score your contract. So this contract is paid for by tax money---So this membership fee is actually a bribe--So this PBF is actually illegal--So this is another org. to be investigated by the public protector--So again Afriforum will have to lay a charge.. So here we go again.,,,...,,,...,,,...????

      Craigr - 2011-08-24 10:54

      Hmmm... wonder if is not a "Trust Fund" they pay monies into?

  • pig - 2011-08-24 07:07

    all that rent money they could build there own place!!!!!!!!!

      Mark - 2011-08-24 13:33

      R72 bars ... imagine how many RDP houses could have been built for the people that put these morons in power.....oh i forgot, they really dont care for these poor souls now that they have their vote.

  • Kevin - 2011-08-24 07:07

    Rubbish . No where would anyone pay rent for 21 months for nothing. Heads need to roll and find a jail and a corruption investigation started. And its funny that every minister says he now has more staff. In a shrinking economy why are we not retrenching thousands rather then employing more. Hell ,we suffer under rediculously bad governance. Even Mad Bob stole the money for himself but would cut any one's balls off if they took a cookie from the cooky jar.

  • umlaut - 2011-08-24 07:15

    We need the assistance of the United Nations on this---we are stuck with lunatics controlling this country-but then again if Gaddafi could rule for 40 years then anything is possible.---Maybe the HOMELESS PEOPLE CAN MOVE IN THERE.

  • Steve Buys - 2011-08-24 07:21

    When were they given notice? Or did Government give notice? when did the begin looking for new premisis? Answer these questions to see if his excuse holds any water

  • JCWR56 - 2011-08-24 07:22

    does anyone else find it ironic that the alleged government are hell bent on nationalising everything and the only thing they want to "privatise" is tax payers money

  • 4sure - 2011-08-24 07:24

    Eish that's when you put people in jobs when their not qualified. Actions speak louder than words and that is more than enough prove. Millions of people with no proper houses, roads that need attention etc and the goverment allow him to wast money like this.

      umlaut - 2011-08-24 08:30

      Absolutely no control ----- == ANC

  • Flashman - 2011-08-24 07:27

    Productivity and efficiency! Who are they kidding? Certainly not the taxpayers who have to fund this foolishness.

  • Sisie - 2011-08-24 07:29

    Eish! Maybe just maybe the R3.6million is being paid every month but it's not going to the owner that's for sure - unless the owner and Radebe are sharing the spoils. Nice way to make pocket money. That is 19 months that you have had this building, paying "rent" but tell us has the department grown. Or is that just an excuse. Give us the name of this building i am sure there are plenty homeless people out there who would love to have a roof over their head, water and electricity - bet it's cozy.

      umlaut - 2011-08-25 07:36

      There are so many government officials that are caught out and who may go to prison, that maybe they will have to run parliament from prison. It is a terribly bad sign that obviously something seriously is wrong here and the anc is not taking any steps as the authority "in control" to sort it out. The DA or other party must follow it up. Another proof that the anc has NO GOOD INTENTIONS FOR SA.

  • Ten Ras - 2011-08-24 07:33

    WTF, 3.6m per month? This guys are retards...Public protector must look deeply into this Sh*t!!!!

  • BigAl - 2011-08-24 07:45

    The ANC wants to create jobs? Then build a new place and waste the money on that, then at “leased” sorry least once paid then it is yours at no further cost. But then that is economics which the ANC do not understand.

  • Opinion SA - 2011-08-24 07:46

    How many low cost housing can they put up for that amount?! They blame all and sundry for their total incompetence, but could solve a fast % of social problems if they keep their hands out of the "cookie jar" and use their common sense (oops!I meant, "use other people's common sense").

  • Noname - 2011-08-24 07:51

    3.6 bar a month, how many houses could be build with this money?

      Douglas - 2011-08-24 09:51

      847 RDP Houses.

      croix - 2011-08-24 11:40

      With an average of 4 people occupying each RDP house, over 19 months - that equates to permanent housing for 64,372 !! Justice seems a teensy bit 'UNJUST' Mr Jeff? (or is it Ghoeff?).

  • Shorts1 - 2011-08-24 07:55

    These ANCabbages feel absolutely nothing for the fact that they continue to waste public funds on their own illogical self indulgence. How many constructive infrastructural projects aimed at alleviating the plight of the poor could have been implemented for the equivalent of R3.6 million per month since January 2010 ( over the past eighteen months )? Also, why does this Department need so many extra staff? Is this too part of JZ's job creation strategy by giving more unnecessary positions to loyal party comrades & cadres, and, in doing so, further strengthening his position of total control over and manipulation of South Africa's Justice system, yet again at taxpayer's expense? This ANC Government is rotten to the core!!!!

  • Boxxer - 2011-08-24 08:00

    Empty building for ghost employees.

  • Shayne - 2011-08-24 08:01

    I wonder who Radebe knows, that owns that building and how much money he is getting out of the whole thing. Because no one rents an empty building at 3.6m a month without getting something in the back pocket. Corruption in our goverment, is the norm, NOT THE EXCEPTION!

  • hvklein - 2011-08-24 08:09

    Radebe you Son of a Seafaring godmother - in - law. You should be burnt at the stake. You waste 83 million because you "need" an empty building. I hopoe this comes out of you non-=performance bonusses and your salary you get paid for stuffing things up! May the fleas of 1000 camoel infest your armpits!

  • Wow! - 2011-08-24 08:12

    This is sickening. It is really getting to a time where the tax payer needs to stand up and say - Enough!!! Another expensive emoire being created with no delivery.

      Wow! - 2011-08-24 08:14

      emoire = empire

  • Bok Fan - 2011-08-24 08:13

    Follow da Money

  • Vrijheid - 2011-08-24 08:13

    These people truly have absolutely no idea how hard the citizens work for this money. Glorious will be the day when governments all over the world perish.

  • Hein - 2011-08-24 08:15

    First time EVER that I hear that you pay rent for a building that you want to occupy at some time in the future. In all my dealings of hiring premises it was the owner's responsibility to change what ever needed to be changed, and finish it at a specified time, then we moved in and started paying rent. So.........what do I smell?????? Yes!!!! A South African salute, what else?

  • Patriotic - 2011-08-24 08:15

    3.6m a month over 21months = 75.6m overall, what friggin building is this? How much more of taxpayers money is being stolen here and what backhands are being paid. How about true financial transparency here gov? In the real world if you dont perform you get fired, that is find another job not get relocated to another position so you can screw up even more. Seriously WTF this is bloody quite obvious someones pocket is being lined here.

  • Mthetwa - 2011-08-24 08:18

    Renting at how much a square metre and is it market related ???

  • kingkong - 2011-08-24 08:24

    what a lame duck excuse for a so called minister and to rhink the elderly in the eastern cape cannot afford the frial care that the they so desparatley need but we will pay for a empty building instead dumb as nails

  • retard - 2011-08-24 08:24

    3,6m per month at - lets say R150/m2 gives us a building with a floor area of 24 000m2. Peaple this is a huge building, or is it another inflated rental with the money going into some corrupt officials pocket? work it out yourself.

  • Big6CPT - 2011-08-24 08:27

    When I was still in the corporate environment we moved into a new building only after all renovations was done to our specifications. Again this just shows the incompetency of these leaders. Imagine the amount of houses that could have been build for the poor. Well done ANC on waisting my hard earned money. Keep it up before you know it you will have a Libia on hands as the people are tired of this

      Douglas - 2011-08-24 09:52

      847 RDP Houses.

  • Juan Coetzee - 2011-08-24 08:29

    So basically you are paying a fortune every month for a building that the landlord should actually already have made ready for the tenant, and the tenant should already be occupying. There are dozens of legal experts in your department and they let you sign such an obviously one-sided and nonsense contract? That sounds exactly like the pure unadulterated bull that it actually is. You are lying Ministah.

  • free-thinker - 2011-08-24 08:30

    what happened during apartheid was BAD, but look at what the white people did for their people then, they built schools, hospitals, houses, etc they uplifted each other. what have the black people done for their people? all the money thats being wasted and there are families living in shacks, doesnt that tell you that they dont give a rats ass about their people.

  • Dan - 2011-08-24 08:32

    Just look at who is the owner of the building, which ANC gig wig is his friend and you know the rest.

      croix - 2011-08-24 11:49

      Most probably: Ican Stila Bilyoni - or his cousin's brada-in-law?

  • citizen36M1 - 2011-08-24 08:39

    Who owns the building and what type of lease agreement requires a prospective tennant to pay up front for 7 MONTHS and is still not occupying the building. This is another example of gross incompetence on the part of a government minister, in this case, Radebe, OR heinous corruption taking place and no accountability.

      citizen36M1 - 2011-08-24 08:57

      Sorry, it is even worse than I thought initially: not 7 MONTHS, more like 19 MONTHS (since Jan 2010). Good God, that's R68.4million gone to who???? Adv Thuli Madonsela, please investigate Radebe.

  • SirMark - 2011-08-24 08:41

    I wonder who is getting a kick back from this and how much . Viva fraud , Viva corruption , Viva theft .... VIVA ANC .

  • AlexX - 2011-08-24 08:45

    BS BS BS!!!!!!!!!!!!! R68.4m wasted yet they try and frame the DA for a R50 -70m tender. I am sick of these two faced thieves who steal from their own people and blame it on apartheid.

  • blondetopaz - 2011-08-24 08:47

    disguisting. makes me sick to my stomache reading this. but what makes me more ill is the sheeple that freaking follow these thieves like mindless zombies. WAKE UP YOU FOOLS.................. i think the esteemed MR. R is pluffing his pension fund nicely.

      blondetopaz - 2011-08-24 08:49

      fluffing............ thinking about that R3.6m/month - what i could do with 10% of that just as a once off. And they say the whites are getting richer. i am obvisously not white enough :(

  • Vullis - 2011-08-24 08:49

    And i need new house with a pool. Just for keeps

  • umlaut - 2011-08-24 08:53

    "due to "structural growth", ------That says it all------you see the bone structure around the 'brain' of Radebe (he signed the lease) has grown and grown and grown and grown---and now due to bone structural growth an empty building is rented---we understand it now---that is ok then, we understand--we understand...........

  • Douglas - 2011-08-24 08:57

    Perhaps thy should stop leasing this building and instead of spending R3.6M a month on this they could use it to pay for the Gauteng tolls instead if making us pay for it. But hell if they can't do that R3.6M a month can go a long way into building houses and providing fresh water an electricity to people who currently don't have it.

      Douglas - 2011-08-24 09:06

      Just did the calculation. The Justice department has spent R72M on the rental without using the building. An RDP house costs R85000 that means that with the oney that the Justice Dept has spent on Rental could have built 847 RDP houses.

      GDR - 2011-08-24 09:49

      I fully agree

  • umlaut - 2011-08-24 09:05

    We need the white coat brigade here to take away some people to a safe place-renting space for ghosts--this is a serious case for the ghost busters.-- Radebe and John in the wilderness is probably using those empty spaces at night for rituals to call up their ancestors for advice.

  • mSholozi - 2011-08-24 09:14

    why dont you look at the broader picture? why are you DA supporters always saying corruption when the ANC does business, they are doing their job and not only attending to the minority

      GDR - 2011-08-24 09:50

      Dumb - ass !

      Douglas - 2011-08-24 09:54

      Read the article bud, how is spending R3.6m a month helping anyone? If this is not a result of blatant corruption then it is blatant incompetence. I am not sure which is worse.

  • amabok - 2011-08-24 09:18

    Ya right! Radebe is going down! Zuma is going down! Malema is going down! The cANCer is going down!

  • Nelster - 2011-08-24 09:26

    Sunday night on Carte Blanche they showed that they are cutting the subsidy budgets that support the old people in old age homes. These senior citizens will end up on the street as there is no money to subsidise them anymore, yet they can waste money on an empty building????? WTF?