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Don't buy e-tags, motorists urged

2012-10-02 22:27

Johannesburg - Motorists should not, under any circumstances, buy e-tags for the e-toll system, the Freedom Front Plus said on Tuesday.

"The fact is that the e-toll system is still not operational and that important legislation, which would make the paying of the e-tolls enforceable, is still outstanding," spokesperson Anton Alberts said.

Beeld reported that Transport Minister Ben Martins said consumers could go and buy their e-toll discs, as the department was busy concluding talks on the matter.

Speaking at the launch of National Transport Month in Soweto on Monday, Martins said more precise plans on the future of e-tolling would be made public at a media briefing on Friday.

Alberts said tariffs had not yet been published.

It was also important to note that the e-toll system's accounting system for non-holders of e-tags depended on the Administrative Adjudication of Road Traffic Offences (Aarto) Act, which was still not properly functioning.

"The majority of the notices and fines which are being issued in terms of Aarto, are not legal, such as the fines or notices which are being sent by ordinary post," he said.

"Therefore, payment notices for the use of the e-toll system by non-holders of e-tags will also be issued illegally and would be non-payable.

"For this reason... road users should not register for e-tags."

Martins declined to answer further questions on the issue, or to be drawn on when the government planned to start e-tolling.

On 20 September, the Constitutional Court set aside an interim interdict halting e-tolling on Gauteng's major roads, giving the SA National Roads Agency Limited the right to start the process.

Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance spokesperson Wayne Duvenage said on Monday that the review hearing of the e-tolling system would still take place in November.

He said motorists should wait for more clarity on the issue before purchasing e-tolling discs.

Comments
  • Jacob Zooma - 2012-10-02 22:49

    shut up ffp, get those tags today! don't delay! you will be creating jobs :-D

      grenville.salmon - 2012-10-02 23:03

      did you buy one yet?

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-02 23:16

      .eish baba, you cant marry agin December. i am not paying for wife no 11

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-10-03 02:12

      Eish dada we are paying paying through our necks for fuel, thanks to taxes and levies, and some of the world's highest taxes income tax, and pay a 14% vat tax everytime we go to the shops, and you and your corrupt cronies are becomming richer and richer. How many of your friends pockets are we now going to line with e-tolls we have to pay. We are paying all those taxes and levies so that you can provide us with roads in a driveable condition. In any civilised country Zooma and his ANC would have been out of power a loooooong time ago. In civilised countries the people aren't willing to bend over and be screwed the way South Africans get screwed on a daily basis. One of the benefits of being an expat worker is that I can pretty much move my wife and children to almost any country I want to. SA used to be a "value for money" country to live in but not any more. Then we have to deal with some of the highest crime in the world while paying 1st world prices for property. Guess who is leaving SA soon

      darren.raath.5 - 2012-10-03 05:25

      obey this call white people we also need to stand together!! do not get those tags!!

      gerald.nchabeleng - 2012-10-03 06:06

      @ Darren.rather, good idea. Yes. All 10% of the south African population, stand together, cost politically the remaining 90% cares so much for your feelings and don't want them hurt.

      LiveYourOwnLife - 2012-10-03 07:20

      Gerald what you seem to be missing is that the MAJORITY of the vehicles on those roads are driven by other races and thus yes the government will have to take heed when the minority that is having to support the majority tell them to get stuffed, you can try and call my statement racist if you want but unfortunately the facts are the facts.

      LiveYourOwnLife - 2012-10-03 07:23

      tyson I like to try and respect everyone's opinion but I'm afraid that your statement is just plain ridiculous, it's about time you stop looking for silly little racial games to play and man up and accept that the ANC are just incompetent.

      marc.rule - 2012-10-03 07:57

      NOT A CHANCE WILL I GET THAT CRAP.

      mongwadi - 2012-10-03 08:37

      Take 3% of my tax for etoll, tired of filling your pockets f****ers!

      arthur.hugh - 2012-10-03 08:45

      BOYCOTT!

      amelia.basson - 2012-10-03 09:49

      He's right! Just like you didn't delay when you handed in your weapons ... go get your tags today!

      james.bondiski - 2012-10-03 10:02

      @Jacob zooma shut the ff up.

      Eterni80 - 2012-10-03 13:22

      you first F-head.

      heathway.master - 2012-10-04 23:46

      I am convinced that SANRALS e-tolling system will eventually be a huge success. The minority in this country have been taught from very young, never ever to disobey authority, but meekly fall victim to whatever is being forced onto them. Like lambs to the slaughter, once Government threatens to introduce harsh legislation to deal with non payment, the queues for e-tolls will stretch all the way around the block. The majority on the other hand do not care a continental dam for showing any respect of authority. The number of them that pay, in my estimate will be miniscule. The full burden of tolling will yet again be carried on the shoulders of the usual suspects, while the majority just thumb their noses at all threats Government makes. It has never been their culture to blindly respect authority, and it never will. And guess what folks, they will be right, and if you have the correct sounding surname, you will carry on with your disobedience with complete immunity from any legal consequences. The entire e-toll system depends on a sufficient number of e-tags being bought. You are doing nothing more than signing an irrevocable stop order on your banking account, to pay SANRAL irrespective of any financial hardships you may be facing. SANRAL comes first in the line of debtors. Every time you pass a gantry, your cell phone will bleep, and SANRAL will get instantaneous payment. SANRAL knows that if it had to rely on the billing system, it would be logistically dead in the water .

  • max.reynecke - 2012-10-02 23:09

    No need for stating the obvious, very little people will buy them in any case....this is one war the corrupt ANC will not win...POWER TO THE TAX PAYER!

      jeremy002 - 2012-10-03 05:55

      Agree with you there Max, but if us non e-tag holders get sent a bill which we do not pay, are these clowns perhaps able to blacklist us with the credit bureau mafia? Just asking, because I hear that once a person is blacklisted it is majot PT to undo it, even if you win in the end on legal grounds.

      maree.cassie - 2012-10-03 07:08

      Yes I agree! I will not buy it, I will not pay the toll fees and they can lock me up! I cannot afford to piss the little money i have into these corrupt ministers pockets!

      Harald - 2012-10-03 07:38

      Jeremy I hear your pain, but the credit bureau's also want to have legitimacy, and if there are hundrads of thousands of new applications against non paying motorists re e-tags, they will set this asside, because then their rating system becomes toothless. Stay the course....

      konstabel.koekemoer - 2012-10-03 11:14

      I agree with Harold, the banks need to loan money to survive. If tens or hundreds of thousands of people get backlisted due to e-Tolls they will just ignore those listing as it would affect their business.

      heathway.master - 2012-10-03 15:39

      The Government struck at the population when they are on their knees, trying to survive. Electricity has increased close to 300%. Rates and taxes close to 300%, price of petrol doubled. The present debt levels in the population are horrific. This is the time Government sees fit to hit the motorist with an extra R800 - R1200 toll tax. However they try and beat the public into submission by their greedy needs, economically e-tolling just has to fail. When you are faced with educating, clothing, feeding and housing your children, or passing this money on to Sanral, the final decision is a no brainer. When you have to finance and service your car to get to your life sustaining work, or for go all this and pay Sanral, the answer is a no brainer. I predict the Governments total arrogance and bullying the cash strapped citizen, can only result in complete humiliation and defeat. If not a single private motorist buys the e-tag, the system logistically cannot recover unpaid fees. Simple as that.

      walter.tgsa - 2012-10-03 16:58

      Not so sure about this one! I wonder how many who complain here actually donated some money to OUTA to pay for the legal fees to object to this ridiculous scheme. Me is not going to get one of those tags, that's for sure (for as long as I can possibly delay the purchase), don't feel like feeding the fat cats even more money! My rates and taxes are already ridiculously high1

  • KeeperofChaos - 2012-10-02 23:14

    No e-tag for me thanks. Send me ordinary mail and it goes straight into the bin.

      logical007 - 2012-10-03 09:03

      Ordinary mail does not even get delivered these days???? Postman dumbs it in nearest river!!!!!

      BrainCandyCPT - 2012-10-04 10:21

      @ George - but not before rifling it, no doubt...

  • lucialwazi - 2012-10-02 23:19

    In deed, the public needs to wait until every process and talks are complete.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-10-02 23:35

    on this one time special offer, you buy one e-tag today!! and you will receive a second one for free!!!!!! for FREE my man!!!! hurry to your nearest outlet now!!!! e-tag 'Eyakho'!!!!!!!! :-)

      vaughan.lund - 2012-10-03 09:04

      Yeah right. More like don't buy an eTag and we will take your house away...

  • zander.venter.14 - 2012-10-02 23:36

    All you do is not pay, wait for a summons, let them waste their money on 5 mil+ summons and bill sending, they'd be out of business faster than a month, if no one paid, there is no way they can enforce payment

      russell.bennett1 - 2012-10-03 10:07

      It's definitely the right idea, but then again we all know that that money that SANRAL will be wasting chasing non-paying motorists in effect just comes out of the fiscus anyway so we'll actually be paying for that wastage through the existing tax pool. Still, at least that money is money which has already been paid through to the government and doesn't represent an additional burden on our pockets, just a reduction in the funds available for the fatcats to extort for themselves errrr I mean use on nation-building economy-growing initiatives.

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-10-02 23:36

    Why would anyone buy an etag? I live 1000 kilometers from the nearest toll road....I do not anticpate going anywhere near them and no one asked me if I was agreeable to the idea. Oy now the courts are gonna be clogged with angry motorists who are ticketed, and no legislation in place to accertian the legality of the blasted things. Whata mess we are in......

  • ntsako.mhlanga.3 - 2012-10-02 23:38

    let us stand together, no buying of e-tags

      Willie - 2012-10-03 07:53

      some people do not get it,WE want to know T&C of the contract: 1> where did the money come from 2> what is the interest if the money was borrorowed 3> who signed the go ahead 4> why did they have to blacken some clauses when they presented the documents to VAVI Above all who is going to benefit out of this. So all those who say we must buy can they please answer all this questions

  • john.dough.5836711 - 2012-10-02 23:44

    You can all intercourse off Sanral, cANCer and Martins.

  • Tebz001 - 2012-10-02 23:46

    And the petrol goes up!!!

      Woodguy Wooddock - 2012-10-03 03:29

      JA SURE

  • hash.jadawat - 2012-10-03 00:08

    Rubbish n Bulls*1t with this e-tag.we must act like the strikers n burn the infrastructure down.I won't damn pay. Screw them...

  • syphor.zit - 2012-10-03 00:16

    I think we are in the loosing battle here if the e-tolling does not get implemented fully the petrol goes up to say the same bill and ofcourse create them some profit for future money scams.

  • syphor.zit - 2012-10-03 00:16

    I think we are in the loosing battle here if the e-tolling does not get implemented fully the petrol goes up to say the same bill and ofcourse create them some profit for future money scams.

  • Woodguy Wooddock - 2012-10-03 03:28

    AND PETROL JUST GO UP AND UP!!

  • jan.matsetela - 2012-10-03 04:42

    Julius Malema please come and help

      Harald - 2012-10-03 07:41

      He can't help himself!! Please don't encourage the moron!!

  • ian.flack2 - 2012-10-03 04:44

    To all MPs, government employees (and friends of friends)........don't worry it'll be free for you

  • lionel.defrontignac - 2012-10-03 05:18

    This is a classic attempt by our stupid govt to try and implement 1st world stuff in a country where lawlessness is the order of the day: we are not sheeplike, docile Europeans - they cannot even do the traffic fine business properly - in 30 years, I have never paid my traffic fines and I've yet to see a summons - not to mention the millions of outstanding fines that other road users owe. And for those of you who question my integrity - these are all parking/loading zone related fines, which I refuse to pay, when I see the metro cops ticketing us, and ignoring a taxi who's obstructing traffic or even worse, less than 5 metres away. These morons need to start with the basics, like busting the road abusers.Perhaps then I'll reconsider my attitude.

      John - 2012-10-03 18:53

      I fully agree with you! Make the thugs do their jobs and get a SUMMONS to you. Then go to court and argue the case. Watch their short cut system collapse. WE the PEOPLE own the country of OUR birth. Why the hell do WE have to pay some MULTINATIONAL CORPORATION to use OUR resources? This PRIVATISATION has gone too far!! DO NOT CONTRACT WITH THUGS!!

      beverly.young3 - 2012-10-04 06:54

      I have attempted to pay certain fines,(speeding in the middle of nowhere) and find it almost impossible to pay the actual money over. (I live in the rural areas). No banking details on the summons, no telephone numbers etc. Not possible to eft, etc. One has to buy a money order, and post the thing, (insured) to the office in question. One never receives a receipt either. It is easier in the end, to pay the bribe, and off you go. At least you get a discount....e.g. R200 becomes R60......:)

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2012-10-03 05:22

    A retarded goverment trying to implement technology

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-10-03 05:50

      Just over 60% of South Africans have a bank account...How will they get money from those who don't have that! I am sure those guys will not bother to get a day pass either! The cronies think that if only the law abiding chaps from Sandton will buy the tag and pay their toll, it will be enough to get them rich, anyway. It's just another way of getting more money from the hard working middle class, the rich and connected will have other means to get around this and SANRAL will not bother to get any from the poor that do not have a tag, bank account or official residence. Or will they send a summons to a shack in an informal settlement.

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-10-03 18:43

      I will never go to Gauteng after this bS

  • Artinus Hamunyela Kei - 2012-10-03 05:34

    what is e-tags?

      ackwell - 2012-10-03 09:09

      E tag is a OUTA with a dom-pass trying to work for the goverment

      John - 2012-10-03 18:45

      Dog tags maybe?

  • brionyl.french - 2012-10-03 05:36

    how does one creat a job from an etag? Your thought connectivity seems to have sparked a short idiot!

  • dejaay.heineken - 2012-10-03 05:50

    Viva FFP viva! Where does goverment think we planted da money for da e-tags aftr they jst give us insult as increase and dis other side petrol is going up like vetkoek in winter and electricity also increase,water,food etc! When it comes to tax I dnt want to talk cos out of dat increase tax man take 50% and also medical increased! Its goverment think twice before its late!

  • IcemanGP - 2012-10-03 06:00

    Clarity or no clarity, when hell freezes over will i buy a tag.

  • vmputa - 2012-10-03 06:05

    CAN THEY JUST LEAVE US IN PEACE FOR ONCE.THEY MUST JUST PAY THE MONIES THAT THEY CHOWED THEMSELVES. OR BETTER GET THE MILLIONS FROM THE NKANDLA WHAT WHAT..

  • victor.windsor - 2012-10-03 06:14

    I will not be registering, they can send me a bill !!!

  • charles.szente - 2012-10-03 06:19

    Funny, our local e-tag office, which has been deserted for ages has suddenly sprung back to life. Looks to me that \minds are made up\ and all that is being decided is how to break it to the people in such a way as to minimize the political fall out- ie Not consulting on a win-win

  • Theuns Jacobs - 2012-10-03 06:26

    so taxi's wont have to pay! so typical this anc government!! all animals are equal, but some r more equal then others!!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-03 08:25

      Dompas

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-10-03 18:48

      That is because the taxi bosses are all ANC bosses... ever ask why repeat offenders still get PDP's? FYI - a traffic offence conviction means you are disqualified from getting a PDP (Public Drivers' Permit). You cannot tell me that these taxi drivers are clean.

  • phuti.hlabane - 2012-10-03 06:30

    Y is Cosatu this quiet?Vavi maybe was bribed.

      mxeki.maduvula - 2012-10-03 07:27

      Vavi shows concern to the workers only when it suits him. He only makes noise when the elections are around the corner!

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-10-03 06:41

    Don't buy City Press, don't buy!

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-03 08:26

      Buy City Press Buy Buy. Love Ferial Haffa gee

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-10-03 06:45

    dont buy e tags dont buy

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-10-03 06:51

    No etag for me – reasons!! These are public roads which were hi-jacked by sanral & the flea ridden anc. The new surfaces are of a low quality, already falling apart. They are slippery as hell and the lanes are too narrow to allow safe passing. The lines look like they were painted by a drunk anc cadre. The emergency lane was removed to make way for a new lane, so there goes safety. The ‘new’ roads have one incredible drainage problem, in fact they flood when it rains making them treacherous when this happens. The lights never work, those that do are on during the day – these so called improved roads are dangerous & unsafe. There was no public participation on tolling of these roads, they just spread lies, threats and was handled by an incompetent anc cadre, Nazi Alli who did not even have the backbone to stick to his resignation – coward. These new roads also cost 10 times more to build than that of first world countries – smell the corruption??? Why are no details available to the public on who built what and who won the various tenders? Smell the corruption yet?

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-10-03 18:50

      They thought they could rip us off with the arms deal?

      John - 2012-10-03 22:32

      These thugs have no other intention but to pay their CORPORATE bosses our public funds using OUR sovereign resources!!! It needs to stop!!!

      John - 2012-10-03 22:58

      It is sickening!! All we can do is what Ghandi did, just DISOBEY their unvalid corporate RULES. Do not enter into a contract with them to use YOUR resources which they have helped themselves to. Demand the contract signed by both parties. There is not one. So why should you honour an unsigned unvalid CONTRACT with a private CORPORATION?

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-10-03 06:52

    Tolling of public roads will lead to further unemployment and increase the crime levels (if that’s even possible?) people will be laid off in order to afford these outrageous toll fees. Guess who’ll go first – the help. To buy an etag is to condone the anc corruption, so I won’t be getting one and I will insist that my family and friends follow suit. My NO VOTE OF CONFIDENCE in the anc is by not getting tagged – besides getting tagged puts you in a contract with sanral & Nazi Alli and they can rape you head over heels from there. You won’t be protected by the consumer protection act where you cannot be forced into a contract. Up yer bum sanral & anc – we are the ungovernable force. We won’t be tagged for your extortion

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-03 08:27

      To Buy E tag Is A pass law endorsement.

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-10-03 18:51

      I've already canned my domestic and gardener. Petrol and taxes are too much - and the work is exercise!

  • Paul - 2012-10-03 07:13

    It is an easy decision: do you want to give your personal and more importantly, bank details to SANRAL?

  • mxeki.maduvula - 2012-10-03 07:20

    Where is Vavi now? Was he bribed like in the 2010 public servants strike? ANC, has failed us dismally. I think its now the time for other parties. DA, cant you see this ANC is no longer interested in serving? Please help!!!

  • darryl.scott.77770 - 2012-10-03 07:20

    Screw this - lets strike, burn everything in our sight, stone the JMPD cars and ask for a salary increase of 20%. The trend is already set !!

  • snoopy.zoomzoom - 2012-10-03 07:28

    we are going to a point where negotiations are off the table and to get what you want you go on strike,Motorist like me must strike if they enforce etoll,I pay too much tax,too much petrol,too much food,electricity,rates and taxes no its much.i'm not buying e-tag

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-10-03 18:55

      It's very easy: a lot of tax comes from VAT - so let's make one day of the month a day when no taxpayer buys ANYTHING.

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-10-03 07:32

    The solution is very simple : I am sure Jozi has some very accurate paintball shooters. Cover up those EXPENSIVE cameras with paint and NO-ONE can be tolled. Problem ? No Problem.

  • Harald - 2012-10-03 07:32

    Yes, and I gave them my banking details; my kids school fee's, my lights and water money, my food money, my petrol money etc etc etc... er, whats left to run the economy mr ANC?? you've taken everything...

  • phoofolo.lebohang - 2012-10-03 07:40

    R203 million... Its not enough for these crooks?

      werner.dippenaar.77 - 2012-10-03 07:46

      you voted for them

      dtsele - 2012-10-03 18:14

      Stupid, ediot! Do u think every black person in SA voted for ANC. If that was the case then surely the votes were rigged coz the 20percent that voted for DA cnt all be white as the whites makes up 10percent of the country...even less in voting numbers. IDEOT!!!

  • johan.wilsnach - 2012-10-03 07:42

    Money is unique in one sense,,, it knows no colour. So SA do the right thing give this a miss. 5 Bil bail out for SAA? When did they know they were in trouble? Why has no one been fired yet. You see SA you should not add to this problem!!!!!

  • dentamokhabz - 2012-10-03 07:45

    That should just come automatic not to be told no been told. No to e tolls.

  • Zahir - 2012-10-03 07:46

    If u buy an etag u are support govt corruption

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-03 08:29

      Hows this E-Dompas?

  • sesom - 2012-10-03 07:56

    I WONT PAY THE FEES EITHER...OR AT LEAST I WILL WAIT UNTIL LAST DAY...

  • robes.spear - 2012-10-03 08:03

    Consumer debt is at an all time high with 60% in default - and this when interest rates are at their lowest. Another tax will break the bank on an already overtaxed consumer. The ANC is broken.... HAMBA CORRUPT ANC!

  • Fila82 - 2012-10-03 08:17

    hmmm no - I'm sorry - it's JUST not my colour and will simply NOT go with my cars outfit... :P

  • sam.swanpoel - 2012-10-03 08:37

    Ben Martins up your miserable ass!

  • melinda.botha.75 - 2012-10-03 08:59

    I pay my freaking taxes, why must I pay to use the road on which I already pay tax for? govement please wake up you are killing your own people

  • ian.pohl.1 - 2012-10-03 09:20

    If we have to pay e-tolls...then everyone should pay....Taxi's and Buses included!!!..come on Goverment...Try make that happen!

  • amelia.basson - 2012-10-03 09:48

    Just like you didn't delay when you handed in your weapons ... go get your tags today!

      werner.dippenaar.77 - 2012-10-03 11:06

      you are ignorant and ill informed amelia

      anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-10-03 14:20

      do you work for SANRAL Amelia? And NO, I didn't hand in any of my 'weapons', whatever that's supposed to mean. You go and get your e-tag today and when the first incorrect deductions come through don't come and cry here.

      amelia.basson - 2012-10-03 21:34

      Ever heard of tongue in cheek? I'm comparing the law abiding idiots who handed in their weapons to the law abiding idiots who can't wait to register!

  • alan.ingram.355 - 2012-10-03 10:07

    All i can say is what i always say: BOYCOTT BOYCOTT BOYCOTT boycott !!!!!!

  • byron.jay.37 - 2012-10-03 12:53

    If you don't buy, I won't buy...we don't buy.