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E Cape schools prove Zille wrong: ANC

2012-04-11 22:42

Johannesburg - The number of pupils from the around the country enrolled in Eastern Cape schools disproved DA leader Helen Zille's "refugee" comments, the Eastern Cape ANC said on Wednesday.

"Contrary to ill-informed views pervaded by the Western Cape premier and Democratic Alliance leader, Helen Zille, schools in the Eastern Cape province continue to enrol scores of learners from various provinces of the country, including from the Western Cape," provincial spokesperson Mlibo Qoboshiyane said in a statement.

"We will never, at anytime, label these learners; they are our brothers and sisters, and they are our children."

Qoboshiyane said more than 5 000 pupils from the Western Cape enrolled in Eastern Cape schools last year. Nearly 8 000 more came from other provinces.

Refugees

Last month Zille referred to Eastern Cape pupils who flocked to the Western Cape for a better education as "refugees".

She tweeted on 20 March: "While ECape education collapsed, WC built 30 schools -- 22 new, 8 replacement, mainly 4 ECape edu refugees. 26 MORE new schools coming."

Her statement was in reference to a protest in Grabouw over overcrowding at a local school.

The "refugee" comment sparked a war on Twitter as many users were angered by her use of the word.

Political points

The African National Congress labelled her a "racist" for making the comment.

Qoboshiyane, at the time, said Zille's comments were inspired by "her narrow attempt to score cheap political points".

On 5 April, youth activist Lukhona Mnguni complained to the SA Human Rights Commission about the comment and asked it to "advise" Zille to retract and apologise.

According to The Times newspaper, Zille's chief of staff and MP Geordin Hill-Lewis said he was not aware of the complaint.

"The only human rights scandal is that hundreds of thousands of young South Africans in the Eastern Cape, and in other ANC-run provinces, are being denied their right to a quality basic education," he was quoted as saying.

Comments
  • Frank - 2012-04-11 22:58

    How difficult can it be to fill 20 derelict schools, most of them vandalized to ruins, with poor kids who's parents cannot make the trip to the WC, hoping for some sort of education? The fact of the matter remains, most of my workforce on the West Coast are refugees from the EC, religiously sending money back home monthly to keep their families from starving!

      Oscar - 2012-04-12 04:52

      It doesn't matter what the ANC says, Zille touched a nerve with her statement and the more the ANC try to prove her wrong the more guilty they look.

      Renny - 2012-04-12 07:15

      At what cost? These schools are way past their capacity & now have to deal with these additional students. These pupils will now get a second grade education because the ANC don't know how to govern. The DA system seems to be working, not the same could be said for the ANC though.

      Lerato - 2012-04-12 08:41

      Frank I feel sorry for people like you who just swallow what they are fed by the press or by Madame Zille. Migration is everywhere I wasn’t going to be surprised if the “refuge” gibberish was coming from The Premier of Gauteng. Gauteng is the province with the highest number of people flocking in there from all over including Western Cape (whites as well). I have never heard the Gauteng Premier calling them refugees. A refugee is somebody who seeks or takes refuge in a foreign country, especially to avoid war or persecution. And clearly these unfortunate E Cape kids don’t fall in this category! Why is it a big thing that they choose to settle in W Cape, I thought Zille was moving around saying she represented what Mandela fought for, clearly Mandela would never call these kids refugees. The problem with this forum is that people make comments with blinkers, @Frank obviously you are a hardcore DA supporter but let me tell you something; Politicians always get away with nonsense because they are people like you who always sing their praises even if they are wrong. Jimmy Manyi was wrong and so is Zille!!!!!

      Elize - 2012-04-12 08:54

      Lerato I don't for one minute think it is a problem that people flock from the EC to the WC for education, the problems is arriving here demand demand demand and then vandalizing the schools that already excists. Also if everybody starts flocking to the WC for education then surely there is a serious problem with the education systems elsewhere don't you think??

      Frank - 2012-04-12 10:13

      Lerato - April 12, 2012 at 08:41 Not half as sorry as what I feel for you, stupid enough to swallow every tainted morsel the ANC is feeding you. There is going to come a day when you look back to this comment of your, pulling your hair out for being idiotic enough to let this country slide into the mud by your beloved ANC!!

      kayley.segal - 2012-04-12 10:44

      refugee: Noun Etymology: From French réfugié, past participle of réfugier ("to take refuge"), 3.A person seeking refuge due to a natural disaster. In this case, a man made disaster, naturally.

  • kayley.segal - 2012-04-11 23:04

    ANC: thou dost protest too much...

      adam - 2012-04-12 06:21

      Kayley every time they remark on this matter, it reminds the public how badly the anc need help. They just cant cope,never could.

  • Bennie - 2012-04-11 23:07

    Many revolutianary institutions opening in transkei - big tenders going down !!

  • Tsietsi - 2012-04-11 23:11

    Has the situation in the EC schools suddenly improved since Zille's comments, or are there other reasons that force those learners to the EC, or maybe we should wait for the end-of year matric results and then comment. I think the latter will bring us closer to the answers.

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-04-12 14:49

      "end-of year matric results" I would not believe them. Would you?

  • Blip - 2012-04-11 23:39

    The Western Capers enrol at the high-quality traditional ex-white boarding schools which their parents probably attended -- St Andrews, Dale, Grey HS(PE), Queens, Selborne, Muir, DSG, Victoria GHS and so on. Just as how many expat Zimbabweans will still send their kids to traditionally-excellent schools like Peterhouse and Falcon.

  • Cheslin - 2012-04-11 23:54

    When will the ANC stop putting bandages on broken limbs? There are massive infrastructure problems in the EC highlighted by the opposition party which tends to happen in a democracy. These need to be acknowledged, adressed and repaired by those in power in the EC province. It they can't do what's needed they must move out and make way for people who can get the job done. People are suffering due to arrogant, ineffective “leaders”.

  • Atholl - 2012-04-12 00:05

    Is this not HALF of the story - the half that is relied upon when needed. ... is the missing half not the following :: That the 'migrant students' migrate to the E Cape [[ PRIVATE ]] schools? .. not to the schools that are managed by the govt ?? >>> is it? ... tell the other half -- the one that is not needed <<<

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-04-12 00:09

      Got it in one, Atholl. There are some schools that survive despite the rot.

  • mary.kircher - 2012-04-12 00:54

    I'm rofl @ all the poor school secretaries who were telephoned and asked to do a head count on how many of their pupils came from the WC ..........

  • mmangaliso - 2012-04-12 00:58

    twitter is for peoplel who fully understand english, refugee has a meaning look it up. eastern cape education is appalling and thats the truth. The people in the ecape seem to forget education when they vote. Oh its bcoz of little education they only knw to mark a x next to the ANC box the wheel and the spear so sad

  • lmadikwe - 2012-04-12 01:17

    Okaaaaaayyy.....what your their point against Zille. Why are they so interested in figures of scholars who migrated from other provinces than the quality education, teacher's absentism and low morale, lack or no libraries or resource centre, distance the scholars have to travel from home to school and list goes on and on not leaving behind matriculants with University entrance but can't write an essay with proper english.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-04-12 05:57

    oh wow so one or two pupils. In the end E.C get your house in order and stop attacking W.C there house is in order which is why they can see when EC people apply to WC schools...

  • Carry - 2012-04-12 06:16

    FOR THE anc TO CALL ANYBODY ELSE WRONG ........... IS THE STANDING JOKE OF THE YEAR.

  • anthro45 - 2012-04-12 06:48

    How can pupils that can't even spell their own names have an opinion?

  • Vince.York - 2012-04-12 06:49

    NEXT retort will be that these enrolled in the 'eastern cape' schools are "refugees from the western cape & unable to get on a boat heading for europe like so many in west africa do, that drown themselves in their headlong flight to leave the this continent"!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Bzeng - 2012-04-12 06:52

    lmao!! who says the word 'refugee' is racist!! You cannot fight fire with fire.. W.c education is outstanding and E.c education i do not know what to say!

  • Bzeng - 2012-04-12 06:53

    lmao!! who says the word 'refugee' is racist!! You cannot fight fire with fire.. W.c education is outstanding and E.c education i do not know what to say!

  • Bzeng - 2012-04-12 06:54

    lmao!! who says the word 'refugee' is racist!! You cannot fight fire with fire.. W.c education is outstanding and E.c education i do not know what to say!

  • Arthur - 2012-04-12 07:00

    Grow up, you ANC jerks. Mamphela Ramphela says education worse than past Bantu education and not a peep out of these Zille attackers. Zille uses one 'offensive' word in an otherwise very enlightening, factual expose and they are all over her like a rash for weeks.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-12 12:57

      Arthur, Ramphela knows what she is talking about and she is the right colour. Zille isn't and although her choice of the word refugee was slightly stupid in my book, it is thankfully grabbed by all those who dislike her and her honesty. They are so used to corrupt, stupid politicians they think that is how politicians should be. Anything else throws them into a tantrum.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-04-12 07:02

    we the informed know whats really happening so anc stop preaching to the chior and go fix the real situation , the eastern cape has so much potencial but the will to develop it is sadly lacking way behind

  • pws69 - 2012-04-12 07:02

    The GP and WC Premiers complained about the same thing. One used migrant, the other refugee. The ANC are deathly quiet on their Premiers comment. Mmmm

  • Rob - 2012-04-12 07:13

    Idiotic comment First the logic is totally flawed: using incoming (to EC schools) students to argue that Zille's statement is untrue is ineffective, one does not disprove the other. Then we have the use of 'pervade', definition is 'to be present throughout, to exist in every part'. This idiot needs to go back to school!

      Rob - 2012-04-12 08:00

      To the thumbs downer....I am suprised that you did not mention the disadvantages brought on by apartheid and something about English not being a first language. Whatever, the point is that if you are indeed disadvantaged by these two points then you should be extra careful what you say (logic), the words you use and how you use them (syntax). Blundering on regardless and making mistakes only entrenches your stupidity.

      Frank - 2012-04-12 09:34

      Why?? He's never needed to go to school before and his salary is probably 20 times yours!!

  • Luke - 2012-04-12 07:32

    I think Zille used the term edu refugees, maybe she should have said the neglected only needed every 5 years or so, undereducated mass of the Eatern Cape. A lot of people that leave the educational system of that province find employment in the Western Cape. I employ some of them, they are not well educated however they are good people willing to learn and work. They are the failed product of then ANC educational policy and of a failed ANC run education department in the Eastern Cape. They are the legacy of the ANC, a ruling party that in my view is no longer legitimate representative of the people it liberated.

  • Nigel - 2012-04-12 07:39

    OMG ANC, you still trying to cover up the story, thats why I hate the ANC, bunch of useless young Hypocrites.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-12 13:02

      Nigel, old hypocrites as well.

  • Karl - 2012-04-12 07:42

    South Africa belong to everyone who stay in it! Therefore u cannot call people who cross provincial borders 'refugees' cape provinces are not private land,they belong to state....jou slut!

      Clint Botha - 2012-04-12 07:53

      refugee (?r?fj?'d?i?) — n a. a person who has fled from some danger or problem, esp political persecution: Although in modern usage we often use the term to depict citizens fleeing from one country to another the term can rightfully and correctly be used to depict anyone moving from one area to another to take refuge.

      sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-04-12 08:26

      Are u calling ur wife or g/friend a slut ????????????????????? because Helen Zille is not one, hey or maybe ur mother .....shame on u

      Rob - 2012-04-12 08:30

      Karl: Clint is correct.....From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/refugee. The word meant "one seeking asylum," till 1914, when it evolved to mean "one fleeing home" (first applied in this sense to civilians in Flanders heading west to escape fighting in World War I). Like most words refugee has meaning only when used and understood in context. Zille added 'educational' that not only focuses the meaning but also establishes context. The response by anc is purely diversionary, but it as often happens it has become a slanging match, and one without foundation. Maybe she should produce an apology for the offence without suggesting that the meaning is inappropriate?

      Rob - 2012-04-12 08:40

      sorry 'for the offence' should read 'for the offence taken by some'. Yet another example of how words can have their meaning adjusted.

      Frank - 2012-04-12 09:45

      Hi Karl. Please contact Helen Zille's lawyers urgently for bank details. You need to make a payment of R350 000 to make your pending 5 year sentence disappear.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-12 13:03

      Karl, you call your mother slut too?. What a disgusting lack of manners you have.

  • Mark - 2012-04-12 07:52

    The ANC are of course talking about private schools but then they wouldn't say that as it's the one area they have no control of, hence they still work.

  • Abdullah Londt - 2012-04-12 08:18

    A refugee is someone who leave there place of inhabitants because it is unfit/unsafe to stay there anymore...I don't think she meant it in a negative way...a tweet after all can only use 145 character. Come on ANC u can do better than that!

      Rob - 2012-04-12 08:36

      anc can do better than that........really?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-12 13:05

      Abdullah, anything to flog Helen Zille with, the ANC will use for ever. It draws attentionj away from their failures.

  • Parlo - 2012-04-12 08:44

    If its hot in the kitchen n i move to my bedroom in the same house...do i become a 'refugee' in my bedroom?

      Betty - 2012-04-12 08:52

      Only if you are stupid...........

      Rob - 2012-04-12 09:14

      Did I understand your hypothetical example? You left the kitchen to seek refuge and respite from the heat, you went to your bedroom....? Then you became a refugee!

  • Parlo - 2012-04-12 08:44

    If its hot in the kitchen n i move to my bedroom in the same house...do i become a 'refugee' in my bedroom?

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-04-12 08:55

    Yawn yawn bla bla bla. When you pretend every thing is fine it just gets worse for you. Be honest to your self. It's a mess

  • Lerato - 2012-04-12 09:03

    I feel sorry for some people on this forum who just swallow what they are fed by the press or by Madame Zille. Migration is everywhere I wasn’t going to be surprised if the “refuge” gibberish was coming from The Premier of Gauteng. Gauteng is the province with the highest number of people flocking in there from all over including Western Cape (whites as well). I have never heard the Gauteng Premier calling them refugees. A refugee is somebody who seeks or takes refuge in a foreign country, especially to avoid war or persecution. And clearly these unfortunate E Cape kids don’t fall in this category! Why is it a big thing that they choose to settle in W Cape, I thought Zille was moving around saying she represented what Mandela fought for, clearly Mandela would never call these kids refugees. The problem with this forum is that people make comments with blinkers, most are obviously hardcore DA supporters but let me tell you something; Politicians always get away with nonsense because they are people like you who always sing their praises even if they are wrong; Jimmy Manyi was wrong and so is Zille!!!!!

      Rob - 2012-04-12 09:18

      Lerato, you are wrong. Refugee is applicable in situations other than war. Check the dictionaries, many on line, and you will see that the word may be used to describe other situations. Whether or not it was smart to say refugee when there are many in SA with enormous chips on their shoulders looking to score political points is another matter entirely. Zille's use of refugee, especially considering that she said educational refugee to establish context, is not incorrect. Was it smart...another question entirely!

      Lerato - 2012-04-12 09:33

      @Criticallyhonest take a deep breathe and read again I said \....especially to avoid war or persecution.\ Note the word, especially. It goes on to include \persecution\ being denied a good education, access to means of production is persecution. These kids are coming from within SA, if they were coming from Lesotho they could have been refugees. Its unfortunate you chose to ignore this part \..somebody who seeks or takes refuge in a foreign country\. You can't be a refugee in your own country. I thought you went through the best education in SA - W Cape

      Rob - 2012-04-12 10:35

      Lerato: You expose your own weakness. By definition you can be a refugee in your country of citizenship or residence. I avoid your term 'own country' because it is loaded with external meaning. Now, as I have already suggested, go use a dictionary. ....and thanks for the judgement on my education, I had no idea that presumption without any supporting facts could be taken to such extremes!

      Rob - 2012-04-12 10:53

      Lerato: Before you get back onto your soapbox consider that there are legal definitions set by the UN and there are ordinary usage definitions. You are free to choose which you use, but it is unwise to either assume or dictate that your choice is the only valid definition. From a legal perspective refugee status requires that the person is outside of their normal country of citizenship. Common usage does not make that demand.

      Lerato - 2012-04-12 10:55

      @Criticallyhonest can you please direct me to your source there is NO way one can be a refugee without crossing into another country. If you argue like this I have to stick to my assumption with regards to your education. Since you were educated in W-Cape let’s stick to the Oxford Dictionary. Refugee: /r?fj?'d?i?/ a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster: i

      Rob - 2012-04-12 11:22

      Lerato: One amongst many. My point is not that there is only one correct definition, but there are multiple interpretations. As for your comment on my education, it is based on no information and data, I suggest that you might want to adopt a more investigative and open approach if you are to avoid being brainwashed! http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/definitions/refugee?cx=partner-pub-0939450753529744%3Av0qd01-tdlq&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=refugee&sa=Search#906

      Rob - 2012-04-12 11:49

      And finally Lerato, review this paper for a balanced view of the semantic problems surrounding the word refugee....and the possibly uglier term 'Internally Displaced Person'. http://cadmus.eui.eu/bitstream/handle/1814/1911/sps2004-06.pdf;jsessionid=FDE7A31A7E6704ECEBD958864AFDEA5A?sequence=1

      Lerato - 2012-04-12 12:28

      Oh thanks for the info, little did I know I am surrounded here with white refugees from Western Cape, am sure they ran away to find prosperity in Gauteng!!!!! No worries we can accommodate more keep them coming, but please stop abusing our youngsters trekking to W-Cape. At the end of the day there will be a balance, some of your people are relocating to Gauteng in their numbers; and my “refugee” brothers and sisters are taking their place. Anyway call them what you want but thank to Mandela they can roam wherever they want in SA, you must be grateful they haven’t starting trickling in in Camps Bay. Imagine if Camps Bay reflected the Demographics of Cape Town………. That will be your worst nightmare I guess. Watch the space, that time is coming soon but not now

      Jacqui - 2012-04-12 13:07

      Lertato I feel sorry too, for your holier thsn tho attitude is becoming so boring. Get a life.

  • Antipoaching - 2012-04-12 09:03

    Mr Qoboshiyane, please, please share with us what schools in the EC are benefitting by these education refugees flooding into the EC. My guess would be private schools and top-ranking former model C boarding schools.....

      Lerato - 2012-04-12 09:05

      So? Still that makes them refugees according to Madame

      Antipoaching - 2012-04-12 09:41

      and so they are, I'm not debating that. I am questioning the integrity of the statements made by Qoboshiyane. Cities like Grahamstown are in the "business" of education.... Top private schools, which cost the SA tax-payer nothing, BUT bring huge financial/economic benefit to a rural dorpie and former Model C fee-paying schools compared to impoverished EC students flocking to the WC, to attend govt schools at tax-payers expense... do you see the difference Lerato?

  • Samuel - 2012-04-12 09:08

    Yes the childrens grandparents live in the eastern cape.Magog has to look after the children so of course there will be more children from other provinces

  • Junebugg - 2012-04-12 09:22

    Whether students are enrolling in EC or not...it doesnt change the fact that schools there are in poor conditions, and pupils suffer...just fix Eastern Cape and stop with the petty politics geeez

  • Adrian - 2012-04-12 12:04

    Ask yourself this, do you think our ANC cabinet members would send their kids to a Eastern Cape Government school. Fat chance.

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-12 12:45

    He has probalby counted all the kids under the trees looking for education and then added a few zeros. Getting childlike figures to do a man's job isn't working.

  • Irma - 2012-04-12 15:57

    Ok... keep telling yourself that. Especially with regards to that school that the pupils burnt down that hasn't been rebuilt yet... very convincing...

  • Sharon - 2012-04-12 23:20

    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha -liar

  • Jacques - 2012-04-13 08:41

    Oh yeah? 5000 WC pupils? Show me 1!

      ntese - 2012-04-20 03:54

      We have students from the Western Cape studying medicine in Walter Sisulu University (former Unitra), students from the Western Cape studying Media from Rhodes University. Com'on! What do you want?

  • David - 2012-04-14 13:56

    Zill thinks south afrrica isa divided into small countries called provinces and each country is for a different group of people. she thinks that WC is for whites only and so any black who comes there is refugee. she must remember that when the parents of thses kids pap tax it might end up anyway, so oure black children can chose to school in any province they want.

  • IcemanGP - 2012-04-24 09:04

    Why is this story running again? Seems more to me like the ANC are trying to score CHEAP political points.

  • paul.prinsloo3 - 2012-04-24 11:27

    Mr Qoboshiyane, your mother should wash your mouth with soap for twisting facts the way you do. Did you have the tendency to tel half-truths since childhood or is this a acquired trait for enhancing your political career. You don't have to tell us what is going on in the EC, it is on TV, the radio, the printed media an INTERNET all day long.

  • Steve - 2012-04-24 13:19

    The harsh reality is that education in the Eastern Cape is in a monster mess. How is it possible that so many children have not yet received their books for this school year???? The cANCer will then point fingers at suppliers etc, when they are the ones that are responsible for the running of the Eastern Cape Education. Wipe the poop out of your eyes you incompetent fools. You are doing major harm to the children of this country who deserve better. Maybe Helen Zille's remark was not in good taste to many, but it certainly rings the loud bell of truth.

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