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Editors 'broken' at passing of bill

2011-11-22 16:30

Cape Town - Editors are "broken inside" after the National Assembly approved the controversial protection of state information billl, SA National Editors' Forum (Sanef) chairperson Mondli Makhanya said on Tuesday.

"All of us here, we are broken inside," said Makhanya, who was surrounded by the editors of some of South Africa's largest news organisation on the steps outside the National Assembly.

"We never thought we would come here dressed in black to witness the Constitution of our country being betrayed by those who built it."

Makhanya said the battle against the bill was not over and that editors would work with unions and civil society to fight it.

He said he had hoped the consciences of ANC MPs would get the better of them as they voted.

The MPs had instead shown bad decisions and narrow-mindedness that had triumphed over reason and logic.

"We believe as Sanef that it was a sad and tragic day in the history of our republic."

Makhanya said he was confident the proposed law could be defeated if taken to the Constitutional Court.

Mail&Guardian editor Nic Dawes said what was striking about the vote was the fight that opposition MPs put up beforehand.

He had covered Parliament for many years, but had never seen MPs use every point and rule to defeat the bill.

The bill could become a good piece of legislation if it was fixed, he said.

Comments
  • DanielDennett - 2011-11-22 16:37

    A disgracefull day for us. We were only the custodians of our freedoms for which others died during the struggle. The anc gave away that which was not theirs to give away...shame on you!

      Gareth - 2011-11-22 16:46

      And yet people still vote ANC,cause they don't know any better.The ANC reckons it's a state within the state,and that it is the state itself.Wait till the country goes totally bankrupt through lack of Foreign direct investment,before these "know no better" numbnuts realize who they've actually voted for over the past 17 years. True the Apartheid-era Protection of Information Act of 1982 needed to be updated and refreshed as it was outdated but not like the ANC had and wanted it done.They doing it to secure Zuma's election for a second term as President,to hide the high profile corruption allegations you see expose by the Media,and to curb spying laws and whistleblowing on ANC officials and other high ranking people from different areas of interest in South Africa.

      Bardy - 2011-11-22 16:58

      I am going to miss reading about SA politics on News24!

      trevor06 - 2011-11-22 17:00

      extract of a speech by Mandela to the International Press Institute Congress in 1994: "...A critical, independent and investigative press is the lifeblood of any democracy. The press must be free from state interference. It must have the economic strength to stand up to the blandishments of government officials. It must have sufficient independence from vested interests to be bold and inquiring... without fear or favour. It must enjoy the protection of the constitution, so that it can protect our rights as citizens. It is only such a free press that can temper the appetite of any government to amass power at the expense of the citizen. It is only such a free press that can be the vigilant watchdog of the public interest against the temptation on the part of those who wield it to abuse that power. "

      Dean - 2011-11-22 17:15

      I watched it unfold live on eTV. What impressed me was the way the opposition parties stood together - united. Can only hope they see the light and take a united stand against the ANC. The ruling party is in a shambles! They are ripe for the picking!

      Ettienne - 2011-11-22 17:20

      The unfortunate truth is, that many of the voters who voted for the ruling party, do not understand what the current situation is and what their govt is doing to them. This is NOT in the BEST interest of the people of South Africa. Yes, there are certain things that need to be censored, but NOT when it comes to the politicians running the country and in my opinion, stealing from the people of this country. They KNOW that they have SO much trouble within the party, that they need a scape goat here, and this is the attempt. Sickening! The cracks are widening....

      Tshifhiwa - 2011-11-22 17:30

      In the next elections I will be canvassing for DA, I am starting by joining their Youth League, I will canvass from my own pocket and if we stand united we shall conquer, I regret ever voting for stupid Zuma.

      Juergen - 2011-11-22 17:32

      The writing has been on the wall. There will be no turning back. The "peoples" government was and is always about the leaders and their spouses / families getting richer on the back of the votes of the ones lied to. The motto of the ANC: Promises are made to be broken. The "game plan" has been notched up a bit now. We, the people (voters) will be kept in the dark about "secret operations" (money making rackets inside govt etc.) Who do trust? our poor journalists will have their life on the line (or max 25 years of prison) if they reveal anything they find. Who decides what is "secret".... Cry, the beloved country

      Gareth - 2011-11-22 17:35

      What's disgusting about South African "Democracy" ie Fascism? Here goes: 1.South African Democracy allows those who gain control of the legislative process ie the ANC Government to pass laws that erode or even repeal the rights of free expression and free movement. 2.South African Democracy can lead to mob rule by vote and the destruction or enslavement of minority groups. 3.South African Democracy can put a premium on the issuance of false information by the government in order to increase its power or the wealth of its cronies. 4.South African Democracy is purposeless,irrational,rambling,confused, underhanded,scheming and in love with it's own purity. 5.South African Democracy when practically applied does not work as it allows one ***wipe yahoo order,the ANC,around 50 million other voters. 6.South African Democracy is a government in business,with the ANC as its business and the ANC is in business to make money for themselves not for you and me. The only form of Democracy that ever worked well for their citizens on this earth was that of ancient Rome.Known to have "A Lasting Affect" on world politics.South Africans don't have a Direct Democracy instead it has a Representative Democracy whereby the "weather voting" people who voted ANC in the local elections were not bound by law to vote for the people in their party.

      rohin.gosling - 2011-11-22 17:42

      I would pass a comment about my thoughts on the passing of this bill. How ever, as of today, I may get arrested if I do that, lol. ...not that its a laughing matter of course!

      frank.hartry - 2011-11-22 18:00

      The trouble is that this ANC actually mistakenly believe that it alone liberated South Africa and therefore it can do what it likes in respect of the country. Notice that that there were a great many people who opposed apartheid also opposed the passing of the Bill today. IE, Black Sash, D.A., Arch Tutu, COSATU, Nadime Gordner, Newspapers that opposed Apartheid and so forth. The ANC also believes that taxpayers money is for their own personal account. Hence the ANC led government at all levels is plundering the state coffers in a looting frenzy only surpassed by the late Gaddafi regime. tony soprano-- It is mainly the millions of rural South Africans, who rely on government social grants, that vote this disgusting ANC into power. Prior to every election the ANC merely passes the word around that the people will lose their grants if the ANC does not win. This is an aspect that the people do not understand.

  • otto.saayman - 2011-11-22 16:39

    The sad truth is that people who vote for the ANC, who gave them the power to do this, are ignorant of this and other crimes against our democracy. If you can not read, how would you be bothered about a free media? The ANC knows this and is exploiting their voters' ignorance to enrich themselves. Not for long...

      Grim - 2011-11-22 16:58

      as you said http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=159255

      Kenny - 2011-11-23 09:02

      hahahahahah not for long - getouttahere!

  • Jeanne - 2011-11-22 16:40

    Today I am NOT Proudly South African!

  • Liz - 2011-11-22 16:40

    DARKNESS DESCENDS - CRY OUR BELOVED COUNTRY AS WE FALL INTO THE BLACK ABYSS!

  • EttieneC - 2011-11-22 16:40

    :::: the ANC!

      Adam - 2011-11-22 17:31

      Ettienne, have your own secrecy act and never teach an ANC voter any skill that you have.Not nice but the same tactic as the govt.

  • jose.m.pita - 2011-11-22 16:40

    ######## ### ###everything ###is ### fine #### #########Love ###### your #### Government###

  • Nebil - 2011-11-22 16:43

    a

  • aniel.soma - 2011-11-22 16:43

    one more confirmation that we are a "banana republic".

  • ArnoNico - 2011-11-22 16:44

    We need to tell the world what happened here today!

      Adam - 2011-11-22 16:54

      Arno the world knows, the R/$ is at 8.41 now and still rising, from 8.26

  • mjtlsnelling - 2011-11-22 16:45

    I'm happy that the ANC have made it so very clear that they are not the ANC that existed in 1994. The ANC have taken a step back to APARTHEID policy. Mandela would be ashamed. I am ashamed of you ANC. Truly ashamed. Who would vote for this party now???

      Paul - 2011-11-22 16:55

      The same Wombats that have given FREE housing etc.

      Frans - 2011-11-22 17:01

      The same people who voted them in during the previous elections will true to form do it again and again...

  • Gareth - 2011-11-22 16:46

    And yet people still vote ANC,cause they don't know any better.The ANC reckons it's a state within the state,and that it is the state itself.Wait till the country goes totally bankrupt through lack of Foreign direct investment,before these "know no better" numbnuts realize who they've actually voted for over the past 17 years. True the Apartheid-era Protection of Information Act of 1982 needed to be updated and refreshed as it was outdated but not like the ANC had and wanted it done.They doing it to secure Zuma's election for a second term as President,to hide the high profile corruption allegations you see expose by the Media,and to curb spying laws and whistleblowing on ANC officials and other high ranking people from different areas of interest in South Africa.

      Adam - 2011-11-22 16:57

      Tony every ANC voter needs to be given a hard copy of the DA everyrandcounts and there will be no more ANC.

  • Hallo - 2011-11-22 16:47

    Editors brought this upon themselves.

      Isabel - 2011-11-22 16:59

      Freedom of speech belongs to us all. READ THE FREEDOM CHARTER! It's not editors who are telling us what we can't see or hear, it's 229 ANC MPs who have imposed their will on 49 million people. The editors are the good guys here. They speak for us, something this government has apparently forgotten how to do. The randhas already started to fall in response. We're the laughing stock of the world except for places Cuba, China and Zimbabwe. Roll on the next election. The ANC will pay for its arrogance.

      Hallo - 2011-11-22 17:06

      You are right, the Editors have been feeding us what we see and hear. And a lot of it has turned out to be a crock of s**t. The rand falling has nothing to do with this vote but more to do with international markets.

      Farta - 2011-11-23 07:18

      @Hallo, if editors did bring it upon themselves, why not complain to the Press Ombudsman instead? Sorry mate, the info bill in the hands of the ANC is a MASSIVE mistake and injustice to all (good) South Africans. Go preach your drivel elsewhere or go do the dishes.

  • An observer - 2011-11-22 16:48

    It's a funny thing but I remember the Nationalist Apartheid government behaving and legislating in a similar manner. People are under the misapprehension that we live in a democracy. Sadly, aprtheid was about legislating racial discrimination. The BEE Act did the same thing and not a whimper was heard from the media. They forgot the fight for democracy was winning small battles. Now they have lost the war. It's terribly sad, but the writing has always been on the wall but the media didn't listen to the message.

  • Virginia - 2011-11-22 16:49

    Well people you know what you have to do, next election see that the ANC is out and make sure there no golden handshakes like the last government, all their bank accounts to be cleared and given to the poor, or pack your bags and leave this God forsaken land, they are worse than apartheid, this is communistic behavour. Now no matter what colour you are you will have no rights to say anything about the government and its officials, so people please beware of your criticism in these columns, we will be taken to task.

  • Errol - 2011-11-22 16:50

    Dear all....did anyone honestly think it would NOT be passed???The revolutionary parties in Africa have always had the vote from the masses,they always remain in power,hence they can do as they please,and they always maim kill and silence anyone who stands up for WHAT IS RIGHT!Seen this movie many times.Only difference is the cast......

  • Paul - 2011-11-22 16:50

    Don't worry fans of South African Government!! You'll be able to read all about the ANC on WIKKILEAKS very soon!!!!!!!

  • Djim - 2011-11-22 16:53

    Now the gravy is going to hit the fan! Lets get the sanctions back against the new opressor!

  • Sharon - 2011-11-22 16:54

    This is one of the biggest steps the ruling party have taken to undermine the people that placed them there. The irony is the same people will vote blindly for them again.

      Grim - 2011-11-22 17:01

      nfortunatly very true http://www.businessday.co.za/articles/Content.aspx?id=159255 lets start to educate them and get the vote away from the ANC.

      Madzela Jabu - 2011-11-22 17:42

      Never will i in ma lyf vote for ANC

  • Nebil - 2011-11-22 16:56

    Today is the day of inauguration of the tunisian consitutuant assembly to draw a new constitution , in other words it's the first brick into the democracy in Tunisia , on the other hand it is the first nail into the coffin of the south african democracy. You light one candle on tip of this contient and blow onther cadle on the other tip.

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-11-22 16:57

    The ANC have broken South Africa today.

  • Bob - 2011-11-22 16:57

    The ANC is just driving the people closer and closer to the point of revolt....Their day will come! They have forgotten Libya soooooooo sooooooon, bad mistake!

  • Nebil - 2011-11-22 16:58

    Today is the day of inauguration of the tunisian consitutuant assembly to draw a new constitution , in other words it's the first brick into the democracy in Tunisia , on the other hand it is the first nail into the coffin of the south african democracy. You light one candle on tip of this contient and blow onther cadle on the other tip.

  • Hermann - 2011-11-22 16:59

    Come folks, do not despair. Like in the apartheid years the ANC has just sunk itself. Admittedly Zuma is out of the arms scandal and others will get rich on dirty money, but now we turn to the BBC, Radio France International, Deutsche Welle, Radio Nederland Wereld omroep and others who will start gunning for us as the did during the apartheid years and their sources were impaccable and so will it be now. The ANC has hung itself better than the Nats did. Go read here http://letterdash.com/africannewsferret/serious-time-here-me http://letterdash.com/africannewsferret/serious-time-here-me

      nikki.bodenstein - 2011-11-23 20:10

      yep, they are bringing themselves down already! a new movement has begun. the anc's days are numbered!

  • Fourhundredkg - 2011-11-22 17:02

    Sheesh. I wonder how many rocks are going to be thrown at ANC MPs when they drive home this evening?

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-11-22 17:07

    "I shudder to think that the men and women who say that money is being stolen will be locked up in the name of the African National Congress,"

  • NickvanderLeek - 2011-11-22 17:08

    "We never thought we would come here dressed in black to witness the Constitution of our country being betrayed by those who built it."

  • barrybru - 2011-11-22 17:13

    RIP South Africa's Democracy

  • Tc - 2011-11-22 17:16

    Will the newsmedia in future be able to report on Farm Murders? They will not be allowed to. They did not do it lately anyway! So, they were dancing the ANC music anyway!!! Hypocrites!

  • TheWatcher - 2011-11-22 17:22

    wikileaks is going to need their own server of south africa after this

  • FerretGee - 2011-11-22 17:22

    #### the ANC

      nikki.bodenstein - 2011-11-23 20:11

      you can say that again!

  • hugo.luyt - 2011-11-22 17:23

    i hope juliaas dont get twitter shut down, else we wont be able to start a revolution.

  • arne.meyer1 - 2011-11-22 17:23

    start learning chinese ... do we produce enough bananas for a banana republic?

  • Tshifhiwa - 2011-11-22 17:29

    In the next elections I will be canvassing for DA, I am starting by joining their Youth League, I will canvass from my own pocket and if we stand united we shall conquer, I regret ever voting for stupid Zuma.

      Poloyatonki - 2011-11-22 17:51

      hahahaha ahahahah very funny

      nikki.bodenstein - 2011-11-23 20:14

      its time to vote for what's right for all our people in this beautiful country, not just those at the top who are scamming us out of millions for their own benefit and making empty promises to their people to get votes.

  • CapeTownRob - 2011-11-22 17:33

    A sad day in South Africa's history

  • nanonyous - 2011-11-22 17:35

    So what all would this bill cover, or are we not allowed to talk about it?

      antonfos - 2011-11-22 20:48

      cant tell you its classified!

  • Gareth - 2011-11-22 17:35

    What's disgusting about South African "Democracy" ie Fascism? Here goes: 1.South African Democracy allows those who gain control of the legislative process ie the ANC Government to pass laws that erode or even repeal the rights of free expression and free movement. 2.South African Democracy can lead to mob rule by vote and the destruction or enslavement of minority groups. 3.South African Democracy can put a premium on the issuance of false information by the government in order to increase its power or the wealth of its cronies. 4.South African Democracy is purposeless,irrational,rambling,confused, underhanded,scheming and in love with it's own purity. 5.South African Democracy when practically applied does not work as it allows one ***wipe yahoo order,the ANC,around 50 million other voters. 6.South African Democracy is a government in business,with the ANC as its business and the ANC is in business to make money for themselves not for you and me. The only form of Democracy that ever worked well for their citizens on this earth was that of ancient Rome.Known to have "A Lasting Affect" on world politics.South Africans don't have a Direct Democracy instead it has a Representative Democracy whereby the "weather voting" people who voted ANC in the local elections were not bound by law to vote for the people in their party.

  • Alva - 2011-11-22 17:36

    I feel broken inside too! With this bill having been pushed through by the ANC, they have removed all doubt as to their future intentions for this country! But......we will fight!

  • phathuchicos - 2011-11-22 17:41

    i am definately not gonna vote for ANC ever in my life...you hear me...never ever. Democracy was here yesterday when jornalists were free and the public had the right to info that concerns them...i waisted my energy backing ANC for this...hah never, we have to do something now.

      phathuchicos - 2011-11-22 19:55

      if you call me n*gga again...i swear i will hunt you down n do something disastrous *hate that name*. My vote is an investment in this country, its like putting your money in JSE n you can't afford to invest in the loss mking companies.

      nikki.bodenstein - 2011-11-23 20:18

      you go Azanian! we all need to stand up for whats right before they run this country completely into the ground. Barbicus247 you are a disgrace to society and it's people like you who fuel corruption and racism, you should be thrown in jail you pig

  • Johann - 2011-11-22 17:42

    We must understand that the masses, the voters for the ANC , does not have clue what is going on ,they do not know what the info. bill stands for .The ANC will still get the vote! Lots of hearting comment posted here on this issue ! Keep the fight going, this is your country!You worked for it.

  • fritz.louw - 2011-11-22 17:45

    If this bill was passed 15 years back then Armscor and African Defence Systems (ADS) criminality would not have been revealed. They are indeed disgraceful and fundamentally corrupt organizations and both a shame for South Africa – in the past, now and it looks like in the foreseeable future as well.

  • phathuchicos - 2011-11-22 17:52

    Thank you ANC for passing the info bill, breaking the ANC country's racial ground rules, stealing an overwhelming amount of money from public, placing South Africa on top of countries with the highest crime rate, undermining the power of education, forgetting the poor people in cities and rural areas going to bed hungry and ignorance of HIV/AIDS. One day is one day when that pathetic tri-perty alliance break over allocation of corruption money and when that poor guy in the robots wake up. May God be with you South Africans and pray that the day of ANC's downfall come sooner than projected.

      nikki.bodenstein - 2011-11-23 20:20

      dude seriously ,you must start a new youth league and educate the masses who believe the anc's lies

  • Martin - 2011-11-22 17:53

    Simply leak what has to be leaked to WikiLeaks - that should do it !

  • Niko - 2011-11-22 17:58

    We should have seen this coming - the ANC are increasingly interfering in our day to day business - control, control, control - this is just a small part of the puzzle. As per David Baldacci - power corrupts and absolute power currupts absolutely....

  • Nebil - 2011-11-22 18:01

    Today is the day of inauguration of the tunisian consitutuant assembly to draw a new constitution , in other words it's the first brick into the democracy in Tunisia , on the other hand it is the first nail into the coffin of the south african democracy. You light one candle on tip of this contient and blow onther cadle on the other tip.

  • lumkile.zani - 2011-11-22 18:13

    South Africa is in a Democratic Dictatorship system under the KZN boys.

  • Louis - 2011-11-22 18:13

    Here we go. Zimbabwe No 2. Shut the mouths of those who split on our corruption, fraud and self enrichment as instructed today by the ANC. Nicky Oppenheimer saw this coming and after 100 years he sold his company what does that means, they cannot tax me , they cannot nationalise my company and I take my money overseas. Fellow bussinessmen take the opportunity now and show the strenght of your Company in this economy and do something positive. Close your compnay for 2 days, no pay to anybody and see how this affect this country.

      phathuchicos - 2011-11-22 19:59

      @barbi, i got you favourite qoute. it seems you are not following it. You must be the change you wish to see in the world. —Gandhi

  • andy.cruice - 2011-11-22 18:16

    this is just as uncle bob did in zimbabwe. the downward spiral has begun

  • andy.cruice - 2011-11-22 18:20

    evrything our forfathers fought and stood for, both white and black, was all in vain. forget about colour lets all stand together as south africans and demolish this government. the haves are the government. the have nots are the resy of us, black white, coloured, indian.

  • Grim - 2011-11-22 18:20

    HEY ANC PLEASE CHECK THIS OUT FROM YOUR ONE AND ONLY "Press freedom will never be under threat in South Africa as long as the ANC is the majority party". Nelson Mandela 19/11/1997 Liars... arent you all..

  • Grim - 2011-11-22 18:22

    ANC another quote from OUR leader.. furthest from what wehave today "Freedom of expression is among the core values of democracy that we have striven for." Nelson Mandela