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Expel Jansen: ANCYL

2009-10-27 16:49

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League on Tuesday called for the expulsion of University of the Free State (UFS) vice chancellor Jonathan Jansen.

"The leadership of Jonathan Jansen has not inspired us and has failed to deal with many of [the] transformation issues at UFS so he must go," the league said in a statement.

"Our call is that Jonathan Jansen must be expelled and the University Council be disbanded, and allow sober leadership to take the [UFS] through a transformation programme, which does not celebrate racists."

The league expressed anger at Jansen's earlier decision to withdraw internal charges against four students accused of racism, saying this "confirmed that he will remain a conveyer belt of the volkstaat group that is still hell-bent in preserving the racist attitudes".

Hate speech complaint

Earlier, the Democratic Alliance laid a hate speech complaint against African National Congress Youth League Free State chairman Thebe Meeko over comments he reportedly made about Jansen.

"They are such fundamentally egregious and shocking statements that we are responding to - asking for the death of somebody," said DA MP Wilmot James.

The complaint, laid at the Cape Town Magistrate's Court, also includes harassment.

The Times reported that Meeko said Jansen should be "shot and killed because he is a racist".

"Like President Jacob Zuma when he said the police must meet fire with fire [referring to police shooting armed criminals], the shoot-to-kill approach must also apply to all the racists, including Jansen - because he is a racist," The Times reported.

The Bloemfontein Magistrate's Court has postponed the case against the students at the centre of the controversy, RC Malherbe, Johnny Roberts, Schalk van der Merwe and Danie Grobler, until February .

Known as the "Reitz Four", they face crimen injuria charges for allegedly demeaning a group of black university employees while making a video.

Jansen felt it would be in the interests of reconciliation to allow the students back on to the campus, but had since said there would be open discussions about the matter.

Misinterpretation

ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu said the call was not for Jansen to be shot and killed, but for racism to be shot and killed.

"He never said he must kill a person. I spoke to him. He was talking about racism," said Shivambu, branding the DA's charge as "opportunistic".

ANCYL president Julius Malema was also embroiled in an Equality Court case after comments he made in Cape Town about the woman who laid a charge of rape against Zuma before he was president.

That case would return to court on November 2.

No date had been set yet for the Meeko case, but it was expected to be transferred to the Bloemfontein jurisdiction.

Meanwhile, Xanthea Limberg, the president of the Young Independent Democrats (YID) called on the ANCYL to refrain from trying to "ruin the good arguments the rest of us have come up with for why Professor Jansen's decision was a mistake".

Racial reconciliation

Last week, Jansen decided to let two of the students return to campus as part of a programme of racial reconciliation, a move met with resistance from many quarters, including the department of higher education.

"The buffoons in the ANCYL seem to be acting on the kind of idiocy that assures one that if the word 'kill' is inserted in even the most idiotic drivel, more people will sit up and take notice," Limberg said.

The YID said Jansen's decision showed that students would not be held responsible for their acts.

"While we appreciate the Mandela-esque nature of Jansen's gesture, this is not 1994 and anyone that continues to display a baas-mentality in this day and age must be punished ruthlessly using every channel open to us," said Limberg.

"Why is it that black South Africans are always under more pressure to forgive than whites are to show remorse and ask for that forgiveness?"

Comment was not immediately available from Jansen.

Comments
  • Mr Dislexic - 2009-10-27 17:05

    Yes and all those who have sinned told white lies, failed to open the door for a woman, farted in lifts, masurbated on the side, had a fling, moved the golf ball in the rough and finally burped and not siad pardon...all those must also be fired as it is an OUTRAGE !!!!

  • Blah Blah Blah - 2009-10-27 17:10

    Blah, Blah Blah, Blah, Blah Blah,Blah, Blah Blah... does anyone else hear that noise, or is it just me?

  • Oracle - 2009-10-27 17:13

    The ANCYL should be shot and killed...oh wait... i meant that idiocy should be eliminated. Same thing really. This bunch of retards will knee-jerk their feet into their collective mouths again. Jansen whilst perhaps a bit naive, took a courageous decision that had the collective interests of the students at heart. UFS needs to move on and transform not be subject to the crass, infantile political opportunism that the ANCYL (all 5 of them and their attendent, fat hangers on) display. Viva Jansen! Viva Courage! Viva Patriotism! Panzi Malema Shivambu and the idiots of the ANCYL!

  • nic - 2009-10-27 17:14

    how many years are we who had nothing to do with apartheid to wait for you bitter ANCYL
    to move on

  • Glock 22 - 2009-10-27 17:15

    Expel that braindead malema.!!!

  • gatvol - 2009-10-27 17:15

    why do people still report on these clowns' statements?

  • Scarlet - 2009-10-27 17:19

    Just wondering...what happened to innocent till proven guilty? Why bother having a trial for those four when it seems most have made up their minds already?

  • Dave Cross - 2009-10-27 17:22

    This Malema mampara should shu the f&$% up. We need more educated, sensible people like Jansen - not more morons.

  • Auzzie - 2009-10-27 17:22

    Prof Jansen you suffer from post recon syndrome...wake up smell the coffee.They deserve it(to be punished)as there parents have inculcated it(behaviour)into their minds punish them and others will think twice

  • JMS - 2009-10-27 17:25

    Will the ANCYL be shooting Julius Malema first? As he must be the biggest racist in SA!

  • Bob Edwards - 2009-10-27 17:36

    I am a white South African who is 28 years old. What forgiveness am I required to ask for?

  • Wayne - 2009-10-27 17:36

    "Why is it that black South Africans are always under more pressure to forgive than whites are to show remorse and ask for that forgiveness?" - I quote from your notorious leader Julius Malema "Why punish the child for the sins of the father?" You ANCYL morons are so riddled with hatred that you disgust me. You whole objective is to create more racist hatred amongst the majority of people in South Africa who cannot think for themselves. Funny thing is, you believe all the cr*p you talk. One day in the future, you may be the one running for your life, even tho you feel all invincible now. What goes around comes around! The story repeats itself! And I will be watching from another country saying "I told you so!"

  • Rox - 2009-10-27 17:41

    Thebe Meeko clearly says the shoot to kill policy should also apply to all Racists (not racisism) INCLUDING JANSON (being a person) blady fool, thought that he would avoid getting into trouble by sayin he was referring to racism when we can clearly see thats not the case- also does that mean that I can go out and Kill Julius Malema- since he IS a racist- yes for all of u that don't realize, racism means one race hating another based on their race (colour of skin) NOT only white against black, yes believe it COZ ITS TRUE it does also mean black against white and indian against coloured and visa versa!!!!

  • Jan - 2009-10-27 17:42

    "Why is it that black South Africans are always under more pressure to forgive than whites are to show remorse and ask for that forgiveness?" Where is my violen, so we must spend our days going to every black person we see and apologise???? Always the victims.....

  • JouMA - 2009-10-27 17:45

    I agree the four white students did a dispicable thing!!! Noone can EVER condone actions like that. I also think that the ANCYL is equally guilty of racism! As a young white South African I absolutely hate the use of the words Kill in any utterance. Do you think that we are really taking this country forward?? Punish racist behavior from ALL South Africans! That includes Malema and the ANCYL as well as the Reitz Four!

  • Reader - 2009-10-27 17:45

    Ag man.The ancyl is now just anti everything because they are just getting away with everything they say. It is disrupting the unity and nation building in this country and sowing the seeds of hate and distrust. Someone please stop them. Im seriously considering taking my investment and skills to a country that appreciates it.

  • RUDOLF - 2009-10-27 17:45

    Personally I think most politicians and all the spokespersons of the ANCYL should adhere to what C J Langenhoven said many years ago. "Leë vat hou toe jou kraan. Netnou sien iemand jou vir `n vol een aan."

  • gcr - 2009-10-27 17:47

    Yet again the kindergarten demonstrates just how racist they and the ANC really are. Because a person wants to heal and broker a divide at the university he is labelled by these perverts
    Shame on you

  • Benzo - 2009-10-27 17:48

    Who are the f*&^g racists here? The intolerant backward looking blacks or the forward looking rector? I have known Jansen for years. He does not deserve this monkey jungle stuff. I wish he would expel all the idiots from the UFS campus and start with a new breed of students.

  • maloom - 2009-10-27 17:52

    and here we go again the ancyl has once again showing its gums!!!!!!!!!
    when the world does not do as they see fit, fire the world, what they dont understand ,it is they that are the biggest racists of them all.
    preach forgivness however the white man must grovel,preach peace but put a gun against the white mans head.
    what i dont understand it is the white man that helped the anc in to power, it is to the white man the anc begs for help, it is the white mans country that has the wealth.
    it is however the black mans country that has the war, hunger,disease
    i just wish our leaders would stop stealing the wealth of this great country we all black and white call home and then blame the white man for its problems
    black or white we are all south africans

  • @ANCYL - 2009-10-27 17:55

    Wie de donner dink julle clowns is julle? Growup and get a life!!

  • Lilian - 2009-10-27 17:55

    And replace him with Malema???????? ha! ha!

  • Cire - 2009-10-27 17:56

    More mindless cliche-ridden sloganeering and babble (Malema style)from the ANCYL. Not worth paying any attention to it.

  • mpho molefe - 2009-10-27 18:00

    My question is what if the roles were reseversed with the perpetrators being black males and the victims three white females and a white male? Would the question of forgiveness even arise? If so on what grounds, reconciliation? I reckon theirs would have been slammed as a malacious crime and the perpetrators very harshly dealt with. Take race out of the issue, surely the repulsive crime alone is grounds for expultion. There are many noble paths to nation building. Sad is the notion that forgiving vile acts of racism is one of them. Sadder still is that a learned mind of Jansen's stature is behind this notion.

  • Gareth - 2009-10-27 18:02

    The comments from the ANCYL are depressing. I feel like giving up all hope in this country and leaving when I read these articles. I really believe in this country, and I think that Prof Jansen has made a difficult but wise call on this issue. Why can't the YL focus it's energy on the far more serious issues of crime and corruption - which affect all races. What the Reitz four did was despicable, but what the ANCYL cadres are going to do to this country is tragic

  • Andrew - 2009-10-27 18:03

    Yes, some groups will never see clearly. Especially due to the "planks in their eyes".

  • Niki - 2009-10-27 18:04

    The ANCYL sounds more like the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia by the day. The Cambodians thought they were getting liberated, and ended up being butchered en literally enslaved by one of the most repressive regimes ever. No government is so cr*p that it cannot be replaced by an even cr*pper one: In fact, analyze history and you'll find that the most murderous regimes usually followed ones that were unpopular, and had people supporting "liberators" who turned out to be completely the opposite.

  • Eric - 2009-10-27 18:05

    Who is actually running SA? Jacob Zuma and his Cabinet or this bunch of loud-mouthed, racist ANCYL/YCL idiots?

  • PHINEAS MALAKA - 2009-10-27 18:06

    floyd is mpara how on earth can a sober and sound person shoot and kill rascism.ANCYL should just put pampers when adressing the poor followers

  • beetroot - 2009-10-27 18:15

    OK. So, Zuma supports Malema for future ANC president. ANCYL calls for shoot-to-kill all racists, and according to them, everyone is a racist. The conclusion is...?
    Lord help us all. Where is reconciliation? Where is Mandela?

  • sido - 2009-10-27 18:26

    the ANCYL is a bunch of *&$*(**()@@! idiots - if they dont feel inspired they call for your head !!!! what have they inspired to date except hate and racist remarks

  • Johnson - 2009-10-27 18:41

    Old Floyd at his best again. "Sleeping around is sleeping around!"

  • anonymous - 2009-10-27 18:41

    If anyone is racist it is the ANCYL....& because Zuma has endorsed this racist I will no longer pay Tax, Sorry Pravin..to hell with these racists, they can go to their ANC voters for money.

  • CTheB - 2009-10-27 18:53

    @mpho - yes, the students should perhaps have been expelled, but that was not the decision taken by the institution. To second-guess the decision made with assumptions that a different decision would've been made had the races been reversed is pointless. Is there any reason to believe anything would be handled differently? Speculation and our subjective beliefs, unfortunately, don't provide anything resembling a reason, only speculation and subjective belief.

    I'm curious to know why you believe that forgiveness is not on a noble path to reconciliation. Is it not noble to forgive? Bear in mind that forgiving and forgetting are two different things. Forgiveness entails giving the receiver a second chance, a chance to make amends. It's not the same as going on as if nothing happened. It's not the same as saying, "ok, we'll just let it go in the spirit of reconciliation, anyone who wants to perpetrate any racially-motivated horror against another, just go ahead." That's what the likes of the ANCYL are claiming is the case, but that simply betrays a lack of understanding of forgiveness. Or at least a coupling of lack of understanding and deliberate misrepresentation to rouse the mob.

    If we're going to eschew forgiveness on our chosen path to reconciliation, then we must all stand up and see to it that the likes of Malema, Winnie Mandela, etc. are removed from their positions. They all have at least one strike against them and if you believe that one strike means you're out, then they must be out.

    The irony is the regularity with which the ANCYL makes opportunistic statements or takes opportunistic actions, jumping onto the bandwagon when it sees an opportunity to win points by lighting a fire under the mob and then turns around and accuses others of the same thing as if they're innocent.

  • fodder - 2009-10-27 18:55

    ja ok,.and people that rape babies 6months probation .illegal fire arms R10.oo fine, killing some one a reward only racists are bad people the rest are vooraanstaande mense.

  • James - 2009-10-27 18:57

    A racist black disorganisation calling a person of colour racist. Eish but their stupidity never ceases to amaze. Where is natural selection when a country needs it?

  • Jannas - 2009-10-27 20:17

    I agree with the ANCYL. Expel every official with sound reasoning and replace them with illiterates. In that way we will have a fool's paradise at the 'universities'. Keep up the 'good' work of demolishing the pride of these capitalists that make you feel and look like idiots!

  • Matt Nel - 2009-10-27 20:23

    I wonder how long us whites are going to stand back and keep on taking this unfair bs treatment?

  • Patriot - 2009-10-27 20:56

    @Mpho-'My question is what if the roles were reseversed with the perpetrators being black males and the victims three white females and a white male?' - Good question. I can honestly say, that if that was my mother, I would have walked up to her and slapped her upside the head. Where is your dignity woman, have you no shame. You degrade yourself for R200.00 that these four black mamparas payed you. Sies. I disagree with Jansen, they should be expelled. What they did was nauseating. It sets a bad presidence for the other students. I do not agree with criminal charges for a stupid prank though. The punishment should fit the crime.

  • Etienne Marais - 2009-10-27 21:01

    Was it not Jansen on the e-News channel (on a talk show with Govender I think) that proclaimed that racism is wrong and that it hinders transformation, if so, what is all the ranting about ?

  • mchacho's - 2009-10-27 21:41

    the comments by whites are protecting the white prof. and against ANCYL and not really looking at the matter; to me that is racism that need to be evalueted. no mancy to those four white apes, it is very true that they inherited those acts from their parents.......panishment!!!!!!!!

  • mpho molefe - 2009-10-28 08:35

    @CTheB – The reversal of roles scenario is supposition as you correctly state but it’s a point worth making an argument for. My main point though is that this incident is first and foremost a crime regardless of what colour the people involved. That the victims happen to be black and the perpetrators are white only aggravates an already volatile issue.

    At no stage have I stated or hinted that forgiveness is not noble. I am proud of this country and the path we have chosen thus far but unlike apartheid which had mass and ambiguous perpetrators, this incident does have a face in the Reitz Four. I just want to see a crime being punished and frankly I’m both incensed and appalled that Jansen somehow sees a correlation between forgiving apartheid for reconciliation and forgiving the Reitz Four for reconciliation.

    I don’t like Malema, Winnie or the ANCYL but I’m not about to jump on the bandwagon dismissing everything they say and represent as idiocy. The ANCYL would never have the power to betray an understanding of forgiveness if there wasn’t an already existing feeling that forgiveness benefits one race more than it does the other. Restoring these imbalances would render the ANCYL mentality pointless hence we shouldn’t use them as a scapegoat for our own individual inability to sort out deeper racial, social and economic issues.

    @Patriot – My understanding is that the workers were not aware of what the students had done so your mother would have copped an unfair one my friend. Given that it’s a crime against humanity I reckon the criminal charges are fine but would hope that if found guilty the sentence won’t be too harsh.

  • dk - 2009-10-29 07:18

    Prof Jansen had no right to decide that the four students should be pardoned. The only exception will be if their expel period has expire and is in line with the university code of disciplinary policies. In that case these students have every right to proceed with their studies at the university and be given pardon. Maybe Prof Jansen has made his decision based on that.

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