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Fight ANC and face the wrath of the ancestors: Zuma

2011-12-16 13:25

East London - ANC president Jacob Zuma warned party members in the Eastern Cape not to let themselves be influenced by money and other members, to rise against leadership  or risk the wrath of the ancestors.

Zuma addressed delegates at the province’s general council at the University of Fort Hare in Alice, where members take stock of the state of the organisation.

The council, which ends today, is attended by 1 353 delegates from the province’s 715 branches.

He addressed delegates on Thursday after they had deliberated on reports from chairperson Phumulo Masualle, secretary Lubabalo Mabuyane and treasurer Thandiswa Marawu.

Masualle and Mabuyane’s reports had painted a picture of a provincial leadership making slow inroads against debilitating instability, violence and ill-discipline in the party’s lower structures.

Violence

The run-up to the event was marred by acts of violence at a branch in KwaDosi village, where members, fighting over election of delegates to the province’s general council, beat, stabbed and shot each other last Sunday.

Not only had this death of politics and the infighting at branch level affected service delivery in the province, it was threatening the viability of branches in good standing ahead of next year’s national elective conference, where numbers play a major role.

The Eastern Cape, believed to still support a second term for Zuma and secretary general Gwede Mantashe, is the second-biggest province nationally in the ANC in terms of members.

The two are threatened by the ANC Youth League, led by suspended president Julius Malema, who want a change of national leadership.

Zuma urged members to unite, warning them that a negative posture to the ANC would result in great misfortune.

Death will come

 
“If you quarrel with the ANC, you have a problem because the ancestors turn their back on you,” Zuma said to applause from the crowd.
 
“You will die a political natural death ... And that’s why no matter how you feel, don’t fight the ANC. No matter how long it takes, your death will come. And you know how it is with natural death, some will go in middle age, some a little later in life, and others die very young,” he added to even more applause and laughter from delegates.

Zuma also urged members not to allow themselves to be pulled into divisive camps that meet in the “wilderness”, saying they must “not be members of other members”.

“Money is the root of all evil. You must not allow money to destroy this organisation,” Zuma said, adding members should be exemplary at all times because all eyes are on the ruling party.

However, he also commended the delegates, saying they were more unified now than he had seen at the 2009 elective conference at Riverpark in East London.

“There are few provinces that when they are right, the entire ANC is right. But if there are some things that are wrong, it looks like the entire ANC has things wrong. The Eastern Cape is one of them,” he said.

Brutal report

In a brutal political report on Tuesday, Masualle traced the divisions in the province back to this conference, as well the 2007 Polokwane national conference. These divisions, he added, had posed a huge stumbling block to development.

Projects affected by infighting included the Umzimvubu Water Dam Development and the Mthombo Oil Refinery Project at the Port of Ngqura (Coega), which could both create much-needed jobs.

Echoing Zuma’s sentiment on the province’s importance to the ANC, Masualle said the current members betrayed the province’s “rich legacy of struggle” as well as those who helped create it.

“We learnt very harshly that where there is political instability and infighting, the important task of transforming society, making better the lives for our people, is postponed indefinitely,” he said.

Meanwhile, Mabuyane in his report highlighted the following problems:
» Bought membership;
» Lack of political schooling;
» Disagreement among members in structures often turning violent; and
» Members aspiring to lead in the party to open up access to state tenders.

Mabuyane’s report was rejected by almost half the conference, and was sent to commissions to discuss and resolve.

- City Press

Comments
  • Jay - 2011-12-16 13:29

    This is our president??? God help us because the "ancestors" wont!

      Spyker - 2011-12-16 14:12

      Is he perhaps talking about the same 'ancestors' that are helping Khulubuse Zuma and Duduzane Zuma..? Most notably when he "...warned party members... ...not to let themselves be influenced by MONEY..." If you claim, to be an intelligent person and you vote for the ANC then do not blame your audience, if they fall over in an uncontrollable fit of laughter.

      Ryan - 2011-12-16 14:25

      can you imagine Obama saying "if you dont vote democrat you will incur the wrath of your ancestors." jeez we have such an idiot for a president.

      Jack - 2011-12-16 14:30

      EARTH...Year 2011...AFRICA...and The people believed the world to be flat!! The ancestor warned the people, do not swim for thee shall fall of the edge into darkens, and so the people never dared venture into the unknown for they were too afraid and remained as they were.

      Irene - 2011-12-16 14:34

      YOU DON'T GET MORE PRIMITIVE THAN THIS!

      Squeegee - 2011-12-16 15:09

      Perhaps they need to search his luggage at the next airport. Been using too much of his product. Hopefully Beijing.

      James - 2011-12-16 15:23

      I'm surprised that he did not invoke the dreaded Tokoloshe. Ryan, Obummer is equally damaging to the US.

      John - 2011-12-16 19:42

      'Mr' Zuma! FEAR = CONTROL and you are using FEAR to CONTROL your ignorant and gullible followers! You are perfectly in-line with most of the world leaders - all the same scum unfortunately!

      Boeretroos - 2011-12-16 21:38

      Jacob thinks he is a sangoma. Imagine that !

      adrien.mcguire - 2011-12-17 06:49

      This is so pathetic, unfortunately the uneducated believe this sort of stuff. How sad ! Didn't Zuma get into "trouble" last time he pulled this kind of stunt. I hope he is taken to task over these irresponsible statements and claims.

      Warmonger - 2011-12-17 07:43

      And the world looks onto these ID 10 T's and see them for what they are. And that is why our natural resources are sold to foreign entities, and our country is being pillaged from outside AND from within.. Where will this Madness end?

      mihaip007 - 2011-12-17 08:39

      I am sorry, but is he threatening with death / execution should you go against the ANC? Now I understand all these political murders between parties....

      Sharkshoot - 2011-12-17 10:47

      ..and the world laughs. Oh God help us, we're screwed.

      Jannie - 2011-12-17 20:58

      F mike and jz

      joedoos - 2011-12-18 14:10

      Well, I'm a GHOSTBUSTER!

      John - 2011-12-18 17:04

      to the tune of Mfana: Zu'zuma, Jesus loves you, Zu'zuma, Your mother loves you, Zu'zuma, Your father loves, Repent, Manpara, repent, Repent, Ignorant, repent, Repent, Negligent, repent, Repent, Liar, repent, Repent, Thief, repent, Repent, Baby Killer, repent, Repent, Genocider, repent! Okai, stop the bus, how can you say all that? Lets have a look: Zu'zuma is Ignorant that the Failed Communist Countries like the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, employed Central Control Economies ( CCE ), with full and total nationalization. Negligent - as the head of an organization, it is his duty to be fully informed of the economic history of total disasters of CCE. He does not know that Gorbachov announced reforms away from nationalization – in the early 1980’s! He is a Liar, because these are not his ideas, these ideas have been around for over 100 years. Thief, he has stolen the PEOPLES money – that is how bribery and corruption works. Baby Killer, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 800 000 black babies in government hospitals! Genocider, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 5 Million Aids sufferers which were refused medication. Repent, Manpara, Repent!

      John - 2011-12-18 17:07

      Zuma was there! Cosatu tells Mbeki to say sorry Xolani Mbanjwa December 01 2009 at 07:40AM Get IOL on your mobile at m.iol.co.za Submit your comment Apologise! That was the message to former president Thabo Mbeki from Cosatu on the eve of World Aids Day (December 1), as the labour federation urged him to say sorry in public "for presiding over hundreds of thousands of Aids-related deaths". At a media briefing at which Cosatu also announced that it backed the ANC Youth League's call for mines - as well as other industries - to be nationalised, general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi said Mbeki should apologise for the suffering of those who had died during the era of Aids denialism. But he stopped short of supporting the Young Communist League's call for Mbeki to be charged with genocide for the estimated 330 000 deaths that might have been averted had antiretroviral treatment been made available sooner.

  • Marie - 2011-12-16 13:41

    YOUR DEATH WILL COME EVEN IF YOU FIGHT THE ANC!!! HA HA YOU BLOODY FOOL!!

      rbczovczov - 2011-12-16 20:18

      Really Zuma? really? Please tell me they just misquoted your fart otherwise we should be worried that you are our leader. If anything the ancestors should be mad at you and your friends for enriching yourselves through corruption at the expense of the masses.

      Johnny - 2011-12-17 01:28

      Frikking idiot.

      Sean - 2011-12-17 01:45

      ``You will die a political natural death ... And that’s why no matter how you feel, don’t fight the ANC`` THE ANC IS KILLING THIS COUNTRY AT A RECORD PACE ! What a bunch of fools ! Zuma is lucky that most of his supporters are uneducated !

  • jaap.kotze - 2011-12-16 13:42

    Bygelowige, ongelowige Kluit! .....en hy word geglo!

      AyGeeWils - 2011-12-16 14:05

      the people he is addressing - and they could be from any part of SA - will know exactly what he is speaking of and they take it seriously - this is a dimension of our society that few white people are aware of or even begin to understand - but it explains why the government can do the stuff they do and still get voted in.

      Dirk - 2011-12-16 14:14

      It also explains why democracy is not possible in Africa and why the continent will remain third world , why it is the recipient of aid and why it will continue to spiral into oblivion.

      AyGeeWils - 2011-12-16 14:19

      Precisely -

      Sharon - 2011-12-16 14:29

      It is scary that he says it, but scarier even that there are people who will take him seriously! I struggle to understand under whose authority he makes these threats - does he imply that the ancestors are under his command? Someone should tell him that he might be the president, but he certainly isn't almighty.

      SToast - 2011-12-16 14:32

      African solutions to African problems!

      glenda.labuschagne - 2011-12-16 16:05

      He was talking to his kind of (ignorant) people.......and liberals

      Michael - 2011-12-16 17:14

      @ Sharon - to underline people believing him how about this ancestor stuff being a ploy to devalue the Rand a bit more - I know what I'd be doing now if I had money invested in SA

      Sharon - 2011-12-16 22:35

      So true Michael, we are taking money out and watching it shrink daily

  • desertratbkf - 2011-12-16 13:47

    Whahahaha! This 'cken chop is more of a comedian than the best on the entire planet!!!!!! So well worth an hysterical laugh!!!!!!

      mundu.olewega - 2011-12-16 17:09

      Yeah, and he is also a lying, hypocrite...money is the root of all evil...etc he is prime evil who takes all he can & lies. Also what would you expect from a town called KwaDoosie? Civilized behaviour?

      Azande - 2011-12-16 22:28

      @mundu, do u have lawful citizenship in SA?

      Sean - 2011-12-17 01:45

      This calls for a new NANDOS ADD :)

  • Had - 2011-12-16 13:48

    The man is a raving lunatic. Preying on the superstitions of the ignorant.

      Helmut - 2011-12-16 14:34

      Give the man a BANANA

      Patsy - 2012-03-19 21:29

      Surely even the ignorant realise that they ARE going to die sometime - ancestors or not. Surely they realise that everything dies eventually. To use that ploy is disgusting. He must be very afraid of the result of the elections.

  • Marlene - 2011-12-16 13:52

    Hahahahahaha!! How ignorant! But I suppose he is grasping at straws now as people are starting to question ANC! Hahahahaha!!! This is so funny!

  • TawwaTienie - 2011-12-16 13:52

    Wow Manipulated speech, full of threats!

  • Perfume5 - 2011-12-16 13:53

    "Face the wrath of the ancestors" who still believes this in the 21st century!!!!!

      Xolani - 2011-12-16 14:33

      I do. Plz respect my belief.

      Paulus - 2011-12-16 14:51

      @Xolani.. can you please ask you're ancestors to go have a chat to my ancestors. I need to know a few things about my forebears, like why they came to SA, where the gold is buried, which farms I can go and claim and so on. I'll give you 10% of the proceeds. Deal? And if we don't get any answers, can I safely assume that we can't actually talk to them?

      Ronald - 2011-12-16 19:48

      Xolani, I do respect your beliefs, but Zuma is starting to make these beliefs and himself lose credibility by abusing them. By this abuse he shows his distain for your beliefs, culture and traditions. How can the black South Africans allow him to abuse that which they have built up over generations and that which is the central core of their spiritual lives? Has he now declared himself the Arch Bishop of Sangomas and Inyangas?

      jerry.pres - 2011-12-16 22:45

      @perfume Some people in 21st century still believe in the invisible man in the sky, any difference?

  • AyGeeWils - 2011-12-16 13:54

    'Zuma urged members to unite, warning them that a negative posture to the ANC would result in great misfortune.' This the mentality of African leadership - they believe their position in government is not a result of universal francise but more a result of 'inthlanthla' - good fortune dealt them by 'amathlozi' (ancesteral spirits) this explains why he can claim that the ANC will be in power until Jesus returns - he sees his position as a divine appointment and any word against him or the ANC is tantamount to blasphamy!

      AyGeeWils - 2011-12-16 15:12

      This type of rhetoric is common everyday stuff in African circles – we white folk are just ignorant of it – it’s the stuff of the Zulu culture – totally imbedded in their psyche and influences everything in their lives. We find it archaic but it is very current and real to them. We do well to take note of it and laughing it off as rubbish will do nothing for our cause or help to change the status quo. Understanding it will give us an insight into how African minds work and perhaps help find a way to bring about a more informed society ...

      Sterling - 2011-12-16 22:20

      Many of you commenting on this page don't understand Africa, this is how many leaders rule Africa with voodoo and the people believe this. This was also true for Haiti, Papa Doc was able to rule this counrty by telling the people the same thing. I can bet you that the ANC have voodoo preists on their payroll to control the people in the rural areas.

      Sterling - 2011-12-16 22:41

      Voodoo is a subject that the upper class blacks in Africa do not like to talk about but, it's real and the media should be writing about it. Charles Taylor was able to use voodoo to get child soilders to fight for him by putting oil on them to make bulliets bounce off their bodies. We all know this wasn't true and many of these children died.

  • Lynn - 2011-12-16 13:55

    The only certainty in life is that you will die. Voting for the ANC is not going to help you in the least. What a sad way to get votes.

      Sean - 2011-12-17 01:48

      I`gonna vote ANC , then I live longer (JOKE) lol ! Anc supporters are so uneducated , they will believe this bull sh@t !

  • r.mashigo - 2011-12-16 13:55

    Oh we're back to the ancestors + politics issue again. great.

  • sewsexy - 2011-12-16 13:57

    OMG - and this is our President ????? I shake my head in disbelief !!!!

      Jack - 2011-12-16 15:05

      Yep, this is the best they have to offer!! Now imagine what the rest are like!!

  • Edward - 2011-12-16 14:08

    hello africa ...... run by confused individuals. Culture or not ,this just shows the world you don`t have to know much to become a president!!!

  • rudi.engelbrecht - 2011-12-16 14:10

    Wonder what His ancestors would make of him... If Steve Biko's widow is outspoken against the ANC champagne revolutionaries one would think that Mr Zuma should have more to fear than those who are awaking from the ANC dream turned nightmare. No Msholozi, you beware the wrath of your ancestors, lest you suffer an untimely death. And by 'death' I am speaking politically and inferring to premature public office termination.

  • Max - 2011-12-16 14:10

    Grow up caveman we already visited the moon and invented the wheel, you need to get a grip because you are an enbarrassment to humankind.

  • Michael - 2011-12-16 14:11

    If this wasn't incredibly sad it would be extremely funny!

  • 120over80 - 2011-12-16 14:13

    Brain cell starved isn't he? Why don't the ancestors revolt against the ANC's lack of everything, perhaps they are short in the brain cell department!

  • Max - 2011-12-16 14:16

    The reason this person is allowed to utter this sh@t is because he became the president, not because they outsmarted us but because the outbred us and that explains allot.

  • Monty - 2011-12-16 14:18

    whahahahahaahah ,pats on head, here have a banana...

  • Paul - 2011-12-16 14:21

    this guy is a laugh a minute

  • Hugo - 2011-12-16 14:22

    Ancestor worship is wrong because it goes against God’s specific warnings about such worship, and it seeks to replace Jesus Christ as the Divine Mediator between God and mankind.

      Irene - 2011-12-16 14:35

      Cut the religious cr@p boet. Ancestor worship is just plain stupid!

      Ibhubesi - 2011-12-16 14:51

      @Hugo. You sound like the pot calling the kettle black. It is because of religion and superstition that we were in trouble back in the days of Apartheid and still are in trouble today because of rubbish like this being told to uneducated people. And you know what? Back in the dark years of Apartheid the Christians had some bible verse they would pull out to justify their deeds. Religion has no place in politics and neither does all of these stupid superstitions.

      Irene - 2011-12-16 22:05

      Craig ~ Gee and you know all this from my name? I bet you're a short little man and probably have ginger hair and a to$$er of note. Am I right?

      Sterling - 2011-12-16 22:47

      @Hugo, tell that to most black Africans and Haitians. I was in Haiti and laughed at one of them talking about voodoo and he was very angry at me.

      John - 2011-12-17 04:52

      Good Morning Impi, When I saw @hugo 's post with the religious crap, I just knew that would set You off! May the Universe reign supreme! Please people we all have our beliefs, but surely your parents told you that religion and politics don't mix. Lets just all agree that we are saddled with a government that is destructive and knows no limit to their greed.

      Piet - 2011-12-17 12:27

      Well said Hugo and dont worry about the criticism from them who worship this world.

  • Phuti - 2011-12-16 14:23

    DA is next;they going to die a natural death;just like apartheid.

      SToast - 2011-12-16 14:29

      I like you Phuti!

      colin.dovey - 2011-12-16 14:35

      What a pathetic, ill-informed, irrelevant comment.......how on earth does anyone in their right mind manage to pull the DA into what can only amount to scare-mongering by a "leader" who is fast running out of options.....appointments that do not work (Simelane, Heath,....etc etc) promises of jobs.....NO jobs.....ancestors playing a part.....it is ALL part of a set of tactics to take people's eyes off the main problem...the ANC is a fast-crumbling, slow producing party. They must be REALLY woried when they HAVE to send out Officials like Gordhan to Limpopo and Free State to take over the running of municipalities....the ONLY part that is in the process of dying is the ANC.....NO political party, if you know your history, can last forever. Of course the DA will die one day....but a lot more is going to happen before that!

      pws69 - 2011-12-16 14:41

      Nice try at misdirection, epic fail.

      Trevor - 2011-12-16 14:42

      You the same idiot I commented bit earleir on about "pushing whites into the sea" and Africa belonging to the "Ancestors"...What has the DA to do with this and whites? Zuma makes the most IDIOTIC comments, comments that NO "Leader" should make in this day and age. Again, PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS and realise, the world has grown up, if you stuck in the past then boet, be prepared to be left behind. Could swear you think the World starts and ends with the ANC/Zuma and race hate...get educated

      dave.leverton - 2011-12-16 14:44

      Every time they win another seat previously held by the ANC the DA dies a little bit more, right ?

      desertratbkf - 2011-12-16 14:58

      You are as funny as your president! Without the capital "P"! Amoebic Dysentery sufferer!Chronic case of IDIOCY!!!!!! Bwahahahahahaha! You crack me up chop!

      Theo - 2011-12-16 15:00

      Phuti, believe it or not... One day YOU TOO will die a natural death. With or without the ANC and your ancestors. Can I also just ask, do you really think your ancestors really care about current political events? Do they perhaps worry about currency fluctuations? Do they care what will happen next on Isidingo? I do not think so. But hey, knock yourself out!

      mholthuysen - 2011-12-16 15:30

      Phuti - then I wonder why the DA is winning every where in the country; and the ANC has lost continuously at each and every election. People are starting to wake up and your no ancestor, Jesus or God will not prevent the self implosion of your corrupt struggle movement - who have failed to fulfill any promises made - where are the jobs created, where is the rise in our economy, where is stability, where is poverty elimination? I got the prime example the other day when during a visit in a Township outside of Durban a local black South African told me that he was not as poor during Apartheid.... odd or?

      mholthuysen - 2011-12-16 15:43

      And just for good measure read this article http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/SA-facing-a-confidence-crisis-20111212 - Great doing ANC!

      Ronald - 2011-12-16 20:00

      Phuti, at least the DA justifies their votes with service delivery and gains new support by showing how they will constructively improve people's lives, and then delivering. Your icon needs to sow fear and division to get votes while padding his nest egg for in case he gets kicked out on his you-know-what. Man, the ancestors will have a field day with Zuma when he cashes in his chips.

      John - 2011-12-17 04:59

      @Phuti,Hey racist dog, go back to sleep in lala land. Put you Fhuti in your Phuti. You and your boetie SToast. It's all about EDUCATION boys which you obviously are in very short supply of. While you are at it GET A Friggin LIFE! Think beyond dogmatic.

      John - 2011-12-17 05:11

      @ Phuti and your boetie, @SToast, listen to all the posts here, your Bwana Zuma has failed all of you, you two especially, where were you when all this free education was handed out? Probably smoking a joint in lala land. Met daai goed jy bly dom.

      Cristina - 2011-12-18 11:14

      Phuti..??!!!..I think you've mentioned the WRONG political party here..maybe you haven't noticed but DA actually WORKS for the people, not the other way around!!..DA at least we can rely and trust on!!!

  • Helmut - 2011-12-16 14:28

    I hope the ancestors will kill the whole lot

  • JudithNkwe - 2011-12-16 14:29

    It is tragic that we have a president who manipulates people using the techniques of Hitler, goading their superstitions and overpowering them with religious mumbo jumbo. He enables churches to further deprive them of their money and displays an arrogant contempt of all his voters. It is a crying shame that the entire country is not involved in the election of our state president, instead of a small factional minority

  • leko.dada1 - 2011-12-16 14:32

    Zuma mst thank DA for ANC survival coz we will alwayz vote for ANC as long therez no alternative party appealing to the majority...Our hope is that Zuma's term wl end ,if they fail to change him in Mangaung. we mayb uneducated to have ths belief but we are highly educated to know wat we need frm opposition parties!

      Had - 2011-12-16 16:26

      What on earth are you talking about?

      colin.dovey - 2011-12-16 17:22

      In concert with your abysmal spelling, and poor English, your thinking is totally skewed, like that of your failing "leader" Jacob G.Zuma who has failed to provide the education that YOU deserve. There are many more black people who are now waking up and moving away from a party that is totally out of synch with what the people want and need. Tell us ONE thing that Zuma and his cronies have done to improve your life - and please try to do that without pulling the race card, which is only one ANC supporters have these days!

      Perfume5 - 2011-12-16 17:45

      @Leko..what are you rambling about, your comment makes no sense whatsoever. Do you even understand what you said????

  • Shirley - 2011-12-16 14:34

    So tell me do the ancestors only work for black people? There must be a lot of pis&ed off ancestors for those who didnt vote anc! Money is the root of all evil in the anc!! The facts speak for itself. As for the eastern cape,its going downhill like a runaway train!

  • Trevor - 2011-12-16 14:36

    Zuma does this when he is desperate...nothing new about his idiotic statement, election time did the same nonsense....do you expect anything more from this "man"...same man who had a jogger arrested...same man who charge a guy for ALMOST "assaulting" him with his drink...Jacob Zuma is just another African "Puppet" being told what to say and do...and when he thinks for himself...this happens

  • Mark - 2011-12-16 14:39

    Who wrote Zuma's speach? Let me guess - he did it himself and off the cuff, I am sure.

  • pws69 - 2011-12-16 14:39

    The President telling followers they ANCestors will abandon them if they go against them. The Church telling followers they will go to hell if they go against them. Both organisations are run by power hunger megalomaniac sociopaths. Zuma is president and pastor. Mmmm. P.S. I cannot decide which saddens me more, the fact that the President thinks he can get away with this bull, or the fact that he actually does.

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-12-16 16:02

      "the fact that he actually does". It is indeed sad when a prezy has to resort to this type of bull.

  • Garth - 2011-12-16 14:40

    I do not think that there are many ancestors that would turn their backs on any anc ignorant - quickest way to to get stabbed by 10 inches of sharpened steel or 6 inches of burnt-pork sword. Either way you die a horrible death.

  • Larry - 2011-12-16 14:42

    Here he goes again, with the "Wrath of the Ancestors" stuff. This guy is definitely from the Swamp.

  • Deeteem - 2011-12-16 14:44

    For a "I was an uneducated herd boy", this man is exceptionally stupid, as a president, this man is exceptionally naive AND stupid !!

  • Zenzele - 2011-12-16 14:45

    Today as reconciliation day, to read such an unfortunate comment from the citizen of this country is very bad and it shows we have a long way to go as a country. I think we should respect other people's believes and discard this myth that one race is superior to other. When I read this comment i see that most white in this comment not only express their views only on the President but has goes as far as undermining the culture of Africans it is very bad we need to move from this attitude. No race is clever or possess intelligent than the other. The constitution gives us right to subscribe in religion and culture of our choice.

      Twolips - 2011-12-16 14:59

      Zenzele explain to me, please, how a person can be a Christian pastor and at the same time still keep the culture of ancestors? "Thou shalt not have other gods before me" and yet the ancestors are believed to have power like gods.

      pws69 - 2011-12-16 15:07

      Zenzele, the crux is NOT that people believe in ancestors. It is the fact that Zuma uses this as a manipulative tool to maintain control, and people do not see it. Realistically, if you believe in your Ancestors existence, do you honestly believe they would be involved in something so petty as politics within this realm, that they would choose to take sides, or do you believe that they have advanced to a higher plane, and their sole (soul) purpose is to guide us in the right direction, to help us? If it is indeed to guide us, then how can people be so very easily manipulated. I would guess that they are merely paying lip service to their beliefs. They have made no effort to gain a deeper understanding of the basis of their beliefs. Alternatively, they have been manipulated for so long that they no longer see it as manipulation, much like an abused wife identifying abuse as love (he beats me because he cares about me).

      Jack - 2011-12-16 15:13

      @Zenzele....come on!! you can clearly see that the president is using this as a scare tactic to trick the uneducated masses. You mentioned everybody has the right to their beliefs...so in other words you would allow a cult to exist and it's leader to lead his followers to kill themselves? Some things need to be put straight…like the total crap the government is teaching the people….the government would like nothing more than to have the people remain uneducated…..fact.

      Irene - 2011-12-16 15:41

      Zenzele ~ If I understand you right, you're asking the educated to uneducate themselves! Sorry but nobody other than the ignorant can possibly believe the shyte coming out of your president's mouth.

  • Twolips - 2011-12-16 14:45

    That smacks of intimidation and scare-tactics, especially for the older voters.

  • Karin - 2011-12-16 14:45

    the virus is starting to work

      Ronald - 2011-12-16 20:10

      What infection did Hitler have that affected his mind?

      Henk - 2011-12-18 09:18

      There was strong signs that Hitler had syphilis. Remember though, Zoomer doesn't need any ailment to make him spew garbage. That trait is inherited and it doesn't end with him.

  • TheWatcher - 2011-12-16 14:52

    Vote for the ANC or you'll die. Lovely campaign slogan

      Theo - 2011-12-16 15:04

      On earth they sing "Shoot the Boer" Once they are dead they sing "Shoot the person who turned against the ANC" Ancestors really have a good sense of humor.

      Susanna - 2011-12-16 20:20

      Wonder what the opposition comeback will be...vote for the DA or you will live in SA today... To the racists out there, there will always be whites in all countries as there will be blacks in all countries. We share the same ancestry in any case, one merely needs to go back more than just the 300 years of history most people are fixated upon.

      Piet - 2011-12-17 12:32

      Africa is doomed as long as these pople use witchcraft like they do. Why must Africa be blessed if the leaders are demon worshippers?

  • desertratbkf - 2011-12-16 15:11

    SO whats happened to Phuti now? Gone to chat with his ancestors? Coward! Sorry I retract that statement. Maybe he understands there's no room for idiocy in discussions like this!

      John - 2011-12-17 07:04

      He's probably trying to put his Fhuti in his Phuti

  • carolyn.dewrance - 2011-12-16 15:11

    Maybe we should call our ancestors back they will know just how to handle him.

  • Francois - 2011-12-16 15:12

    Any of you folk that claim to think he is an idiot ever consider that when he say' "some die young" he is pointing at the political career of our friend Mr. Malema? Say what you want he is no idiot. He's saying what he must to stay popular. Obama does exactly the same, he just uses western thinking and popularist views.

      pws69 - 2011-12-16 15:17

      Sane comment. Zuma is far from an idiot. He is highly manipulative, extremely politically savvy, and he would not have head up Project Vula if he had any problems with killing innocent civilians. He understands his audience, and talks to them. Earlier in 2000's he gave three speeches, on the same subject, to three different audiences, and gave three completely different messages. That we have elected someone who is so dishonest that he has no problem with lying publicly at least 2 out of 3 times, is what is sad.

      Thandiwe - 2011-12-16 21:57

      Comparing Zuma to Obama is a bit rich Francois. Obama is professor of political science and makes sense, the last thing he would use to convince people is vodoo and the ancestors.... He has also gone through the ranks in the Democratic Party and was chosen as their presidential candidate for his knowledge and of course his uncanny way of inspiring people. He is not a populist but is actually genuinly interested in doing something for the States unlike Zuma who is only interested in doing something for himself....

      Sterling - 2011-12-16 22:59

      @Feancois, voodoo is not practiced in the US among the blacks or white population so, if Obama would make a statement like this, the press would jump all over him.

      Perfume5 - 2011-12-17 13:44

      As a South African I can sit and listen to President Obama speak, he is a highly intelligent man, who has studied much through his years. When it comes to our South African President Jacob Zuma I turn my TV off. I see no comparison between the two. Mr Obama used the slogan "YES WE CAN" and Zuma uses the slogan "DO NOT VOTE ANC, FACE THE WRATH OF THE ANCESTORS"

  • Jesse - 2011-12-16 15:18

    ANC president Jacob Zuma warned party members in the Eastern Cape not to let themselves be influenced by money... “Money is the root of all evil. You must not allow money to destroy this organisation,” This, coming from our president - What a joke!

  • frans.grobler3 - 2011-12-16 15:57

    "Priceless" Give that man a wife - f*"cking shower head must still be sleeping with bricks under his bed.

  • Gerhard - 2011-12-16 16:03

    “You will die a political natural death ... And that’s why no matter how you feel, don’t fight the ANC. No matter how long it takes, your death will come. And you know how it is with natural death, some will go in middle age, some a little later in life, and others die very young,” he added to even more applause and laughter from delegates. From this it is quite obvious that the President is not a christian!

      Ronald - 2011-12-16 20:20

      It is irrelevant. For all I care he can worship the sun god Ra or the frog in my fish pond, as long as he has the credentials and ability to run the country correctly.

      Thandiwe - 2011-12-16 22:01

      So your point is?

  • nicn44 - 2011-12-16 16:31

    With our transport minister,police minister,justice minister, YOU are going to meet your ancestors whether the ANC commands it or not because crime is rampant

  • Bob - 2011-12-16 16:36

    This is control of the superstitious by notions of witchcraft…! This should be outlawed and should not be allowed in public speaking! It is directly threatening the believing populous by devious means. It is amazing that this drivel can come out of the mouth of a president of a country. But then it also shows how gullible a certain percentage of the SA population is, these are the people Zuma is controlling with his pathetic utterances.

  • HermannH - 2011-12-16 17:00

    My, my, does he take the people for fools? Unfortunately many are and that is where he is intimidating with custom to get support.

  • Gavin - 2011-12-16 17:54

    Oh well, I guess it's time to slaughter all our cattle and burn our crops again. The spirits will supply fresh ones just like they did last time. Tarnnogi nuct !

  • Rob - 2011-12-16 17:57

    Hypocrit, showerhead.....but just how credible is he amongst the cheering audience?

  • Chaapo - 2011-12-16 17:57

    Fear mongering from him again. Last time it was about his talk that voting ANC is voting for God and now it is ancestors. What is next - raising the spectre of the spirits of dead comrades coming back to haunt the electorate if they do not vote ANC? In this days and age when leaders elsewhere canvass for support on their record, the ANC still uses this tactic? What a joke for a President (but do not blame him - it is a variant on lessons he learnt well at Mugabe's knees because dead comrades and Nehanda spirit are all the dear mentor harps on 30 years on).

  • Zion - 2011-12-16 18:39

    This guy has an honoured doctorate and spreads the gospel of ancestor revenge. Money is the root of all evil yet this very speaker was charged with siphoning this lucre off criminals liken Shabir Schaik unashamed. To put it in a nutshell Zuma, our "leader" is nothing more than a low level scum bag elevated to the level of a deity by an ignorant electorate.

  • akaRags - 2011-12-16 18:52

    What happened to democracy? Just threaten the "people" with the wrath of the ancestors if they fight the ANC? Very subtle. The likes of Zuma and the ANC know how strong the belief of the ancestors is in this country so they just hit that button, and instead of using their own minds to vote for who will ACTUALLY make this country a better one to live in, the people (sheep) will just follow one another into the frying pan, while those in power will continue to become more powerful and greedy.