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Fired ministers still earning big bucks

2011-11-08 08:13

Johannesburg - Sacked ministers Sicelo Shiceka and Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde were still earning R840 000 a year salaries as ANC MPs, Beeld newspaper reported on Tuesday.

African National Congress caucus spokesperson Moloto Mothapo told the newspaper that neither the former co-operative governance and traditional affairs minister, nor the ex-public works minister had resigned as Members of Parliament.

President Jacob Zuma sacked them on October 24.

Both still earned salaries as ANC MPs of R840 000 a year and also enjoyed privileges such as 48 paid-for inland business class plane tickets a year, and 24 plane tickets for their spouses.

Shiceka and Mahlangu-Nkabinde have been implicated in wrongdoing by Public Protector Thuli Madonsela.

Mahlangu-Nkabinde's decision to allow two controversial building leases valued at R1.6bn to go ahead, despite tender procedures not being followed and legal advice to the contrary, amounted to maladministration, according to a finding by Madonsela.

In a separate report on Shiceka, Madonsela found he had racked up more than R1m in travel costs for himself, his staff and friends in violation of the executive ethics code.

This included a trip to Switzerland to see a girlfriend jailed on drug-related charges.

Shiceka denied any wrongdoing and vowed to go to court to contest Madonsela's findings.

Comments
  • Kcopah - 2011-11-08 08:21

    this was expected!! people should really start "voting for change" as the ANCancer always say..vote them out..I dont think we can take 5 more years of this!!

      Dirk - 2011-11-08 08:31

      I am sure that they will be well received- there is honour amongst thieves, plunderers, vagrants and rapists

      Jono - 2011-11-08 08:39

      It is just a pity that the people that vote for them are to blind and stupid to realise that they don’t give a s#it about them and only themselves! They are spending all our money we earned through hard work and busting our backsides day in and day out!!! How is this not a crime, this is stealing!!! If you want a brighter future or any future at all - vote for someone else, give DA a chance, otherwise enjoy what you have now... which is nothing!

      Shadoz - 2011-11-08 08:41

      is anyone surprised by this article? Imean come on this is not new to the ANC inner circle. Why would they care if they get caught then they can pretty much do what they been doing all along and that is sitting on there ever growing large butts doing nothing and getting paided for it.

      Aisha - 2011-11-08 08:59

      I don’t see anything wrong there, they were fired as ministers but not a s MP’s.

      Riaan - 2011-11-08 09:19

      Aisha is a retard. Excuse her ignorance in missing the bigger picture

      Jeffrey - 2011-11-08 09:24

      @Aisha, You really are a fickwut.

      Deon - 2011-11-08 09:27

      Aisha, you left out a L in your "previous job description", if it can be called that.

      alison.heyns - 2011-11-08 09:27

      ARE WE SURPRISED? We knew all along that the decision by Jacob Zuma to sack Sicelo Shiceka and Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde, the two cabinet ministers, and to suspend General Bheki Cele, the national police commissioner is just part of the ANC's policy to give every high ranking ANC cadre a chance at the feeding trough. Once they've had enough time to pillage and plunder, they'll receive a golden handshake, with massive payouts, like all the other disgraced senior civil servants, police commissioners and judges only to be redeployed elsewhere. Over the last 17 years it has become evident that the revolving door policy is a deliberate government strategy to reward and enrich corrupt cadres. One only has to look at previous CEO's and other senior executives, at state owned enterprises, like Transnet, Landbank, SAA, SABC, etc. to know that this is in fact true.

      Johan - 2011-11-08 09:33

      ...corrupt, ..incompetent, ...irresponsible, .....and useless....

      chester.wandsworth - 2011-11-08 09:40

      Aisha, that is only partly correct. Process-wise nothing wrong, but for the message it sends - that the anc(and gov) are not held accountable. anc has lost the moral advantage they had - sold to business. Question is, where have the ppl for the ppl gone? Or was this the plan all along? hmmm President Mandela? Did it start with you?

      Bryan - 2011-11-08 09:40

      @Aisha.., braindead neanderthol doesn't come close to describing you.., Halfwit moron..!!!

      Yar - 2011-11-08 09:43

      Aisha is an ANC voter. She doesn't understand. That's all ther is to it.

      Gary - 2011-11-08 10:07

      Wishful thinking Kcopah ... the voters in this country are too dumb to even know that there are getting screwed!

      Herman - 2011-11-08 10:23

      AH! I'll just ad that to the Department of Homeland Corruption's already R33 BILLION wasteful expenditure, thanks for the update News24!

      Anthony - 2011-11-08 11:09

      aisha --looking at all the responses to your statement NOT ONE TALKED ABOUT COLOUR___having been called all the names in the world ----WHAT DO YOU DO---U REVERT TO RACE AND CRITIZE THE WHITES--- DEAR O DEAR O DEAR-----now u have really shown everyone in here that the names the called u are perfectly correct GET OVER BEING BLACK --LETS TALK THE PRINCIPLE--silly girl

      chester.wandsworth - 2011-11-08 11:09

      Aisha- That these MPs dont excuse themselves from their positions says ALL you need to know about their characters. That the ANC fosters these ppl and remains quiet says ALL you need to know about it as an organisation. Money behind ppl and behind the scenes, forces them to continue their ways... President Mandela proposed(was it real?) taking a wage cut as president, wayyyyy back, but was "persuaded" not too. Mistake!

      Hennie - 2011-11-08 11:50

      Aisha stands for "Ass In Sand,Head Also"

      John - 2011-11-08 13:59

      whats new,

      superkruger - 2011-11-08 14:21

      Remember, the poor sods who keep voting for these fat criminals do so because they are seen as successful examples in who's footsteps can be followed...

      Ax - 2011-11-08 15:01

      yes aisha, absolutely nothing wrong for a politician sacked for proven wrong doing to keep receiving a state salary plus perks in a different postion. 3 tons of diplomas and yet...

      Anthony - 2011-11-08 15:28

      R840000 before or after TAX I wonder, Let them pay for anc birthday bash?

      Jana - 2011-11-08 15:39

      They will just think up a couple of new taxes to fund their spending sprees!! No worries when you have the "unlimited" funds of the taxpayer behind you to spend as you please. R100mil for this and R200mil for that... who cares, defenitely not the ANC!!

      John - 2011-12-21 00:41

      Blue Light Brigade Strikes Again! Friday, 09 of December, cars on the highway from Durban gave way to a political convoy with blue lights. Remembering 1 man killed by the Blue Light Brigade in Durban, and another in Jo'burg, I protested those murders and raised my finger as they drove past. They proceeded to block me and lunge their cars at me, as I swerved, slowed and pulled away. I held strong and steadfast in my protest! My family, however, were badly shaken. It is time that the ANC realizes that they are not above criticism and rejection, and also NOT ABOVE THE LAW! I expected them to zap me back, or even lay misdemeanor charges against me. But the public harassment and bullying shows that these mentals are in a mindset of their own. They need to be transferred to Antarctica!

  • Henri - 2011-11-08 08:21

    Wow i need a job like that, listen to empty promises and still get paid in parlement

      Gees - 2011-11-08 08:34

      Hire me for sure, but then fire me so I can get an increase

      Sean - 2011-11-08 13:18

      Myabe all Black Africans that cry about apartheid should open there eyes and see what there COMRADES are doing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This country is going one way .......... that is DOWN THE DRAIN !

  • Maximus Odinidus - 2011-11-08 08:24

    Bananas anyone?

  • Fenderbender - 2011-11-08 08:24

    The country is already on its knees and the fools just keep stealing. Where is all the giants of industry when a country they so easily exploit needs them.

  • Jay - 2011-11-08 08:24

    This article needs to be Published in the 11 official languages. It also then needs to be Vocally Broadcast into every ANC Constituancy so that their Uninformed Voters can Comprehend this Injustice. This type of "Educating the Masses" practice should be applied regularly by the Opposition parties to ensure that the ANC PAYS for their Incompetence in Future Elections. Has anyone in SA thought of a DAILY ANC FIASCO REGISTER? I HAVE and would like to start one; After all, this is DEMOCRATIC, is it not? I REST MY CASE

      Ann - 2011-11-08 08:41

      Good suggestion Jay; I am 100 % with you - we must NEVER allow the media to be shut up!! Corruption = cANCer!!!!

      Herman - 2011-11-08 08:54

      With all that publishing and trouble the uneducated masses with that 1 vote will still vote.......anc.....we are so screwed!!

      Had - 2011-11-08 10:03

      I'm with you Jay. If you have the know how to get it up and running, I'm sure that you will get a lot of support. There is website sagravytrain (or similar) but it doesn't seem to be updated anymore. I think that since the ANC employed these bums, the ANC should carry the cost of keeping them on the payroll and pay for it out of ANC funds. Why should we the taxpayers, who in effect pay their salaries, carry the cost?

      Herman - 2011-11-08 13:44

      I have informed Helen Zille & Lindi Mazibuko of this idea, we need to move on this & make it happen. We need to create a website to list ALL ANC fraud & corruption, available of course in as many languages as possible..

      Heibrin - 2011-11-08 14:14

      If you guys really want to reach the voters this is an excellent idea, provided you can do it in print and distribute it in places like Soweto and Mamelodi etc. Printed in as many languages as possible, perhaps a weekly? I'll donate money for something like this!

  • Gordon - 2011-11-08 08:25

    Our goverment is creating the impression that it's fine to be corrupt and fraudulent,they will just keep you on their payroll and we,the common people must be happy with that,come on Pres.Zuma, it seems that we are in a banana republic.

      kgaogelodp - 2011-11-08 08:31

      That is the impression I am getting to tell you the truth Gordon.

      Thabo - 2011-11-08 09:24

      I agree with you Gordon. The ANC is clearly now a haven for thiefs. I wonder if ethics is something the elite in the ANC knows about. I guess pointing fingers at these guys at the bottom is not where we should be, but rather look at it holistically, from the very helm of it downwards!

      foxiloxi - 2011-11-09 17:40

      VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE THEM OUT OF POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • stevie0064 - 2011-11-08 08:26

    And the gravy train rolls on...

      Wayne - 2011-11-08 09:57

      Toot toot!!!

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-11-08 10:09

      Choo choo.

  • Bryan - 2011-11-08 08:31

    This is a joke! I pay my taxes every month an I hoped that they would go towards addressing unemployment, education and health care, not towards some fat, lazy, currupt politition to sit on their ass and enjoy "early retirement". If i got fired tomorrow, I can promise you that I wouldnt see another pay slip till I found work again and nor would I expect one. Government, get your heads out your asses and do your job!!!!!

      Albert - 2011-11-08 09:40

      Vusi has started a campaign for not paying taxes. Let us all support him.It`s our duty as civilized people to get rid of this ANC monster that is devouring our country.Fight the toll system,the plane buying ,the smoking power stations,overpaid undereducated morons in parliament.Let us stop this train.

  • Deon - 2011-11-08 08:35

    They will probably get posts as ambassodors now.

  • ana.curcic - 2011-11-08 08:36

    Fired and yet allowed in to Parliament, get paid and..........of course a new chance to the same again. Only in South Africa. EISH!!!!!!!!!!

  • Nicholas - 2011-11-08 08:41

    R840000 a year for doing what???? this is amazing how taxpayers get robbed like that...

      Herman - 2011-11-08 09:24

      Makes me wonder what the total amount of taxpaying money the useless and criminal anc is getting annually for salaries and other benefits?

      cathy.eksteen - 2011-11-08 15:13

      So glad Nicolas that you mentioned the tax payer paying it. So tired of hearing how they stealing from the poor who voted for them yet the taxpayer's are the ones they fighting against. Shows you the mentality..

  • Kevin - 2011-11-08 08:45

    Outrageous. Fire them and claim the taxpayers money back. Jail them

  • Mandla - 2011-11-08 08:48

    Welcome to Banana Rep.....

  • Martin - 2011-11-08 08:49

    And what will be done about this, it is all good and well to inform us but what are we doing to stop them from getting the undeserved salaries

  • Ben - 2011-11-08 08:50

    nothing new...

  • Herman - 2011-11-08 08:52

    I so want to be a minister....damn, the benefits can't be matched anywhere on earth!! You can steal and be corrupt as you want to be and still get a hell of a good salary if caught and fired.........W T F is going on with this country????

  • Jason - 2011-11-08 08:53

    Ag whats real news, this is another day in the lives of ordinary good old S.A. Citizens - and what is mind boggling is that all the ANC supporters will vote for these corrupt bastards again - S.A. is f*cked..

  • weldon.broughton - 2011-11-08 08:53

    If you want to commit a crime and get off with full pay Join and work for the ANC

  • ludlowdj - 2011-11-08 08:56

    Come elections the masses will still vote the ANC back in for another term and then sit around wide eyed wondering why they are still not getting ant service delivery.....nothing changes and everything else stays the same.

  • Bob - 2011-11-08 08:57

    Where is Sganga, he would support this, his beloved ANC can do no wrong, how long can this poor country cope with this pathetic government and it's total waste of OUR money, when will the majority wake up and see what is really happening or NOT happening.

  • Jannie - 2011-11-08 09:07

    FIRED AS A MINISTER WHO STILL NEEDS THIS GARBAGE IN PARLEMENT ??? AND THAT ON FULL PAY

  • Paul - 2011-11-08 09:09

    The problem here is that the people voting for the ANC, in general, don't earn money in order to pay taxes, and they see those that have businesses and jobs as being thieves and colonial masters, not job creators. This country is lost because the ANC keeps the whole process in play so they can stay in power. The people have been kept sheeple on purpose.

  • David - 2011-11-08 09:14

    this is getting so bad R70000 a month 4 business class air tickets a month for them and 2 a month for spouses and they were fired for incompetence while the rest of RSA suffers we must get rid of this corrupt goverment as soon as possible to save us all gravy train greed runs all over

  • guyt1 - 2011-11-08 09:22

    No comment

  • Vic - 2011-11-08 09:23

    Surely they can be booted out of parliment? But then again, Zuma has no backbone. The gravy train is just getting longer and longer!

  • Erich - 2011-11-08 09:24

    Getting fired as a Minister for incompetence/dishonesty is a recommendation to be a MP. There is simply not enough competent and people with integrity amongst the 50 million remaining citizens who subscribe to the principles of the ANC to fill the places of these 'redeployed' ex ministers.

  • alison.heyns - 2011-11-08 09:26

    ARE WE SURPRISED? We knew all along that the decision by Jacob Zuma to sack Sicelo Shiceka and Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde, the two cabinet ministers, and to suspend General Bheki Cele, the national police commissioner is just part of the ANC's policy to give every high ranking ANC cadre a chance at the feeding trough. Once they've had enough time to pillage and plunder, they'll receive a golden handshake, with massive payouts, like all the other disgraced senior civil servants, police commissioners and judges only to be redeployed elsewhere. Over the last 17 years it has become evident that the revolving door policy is a deliberate government strategy to reward and enrich corrupt cadres. One only has to look at previous CEO's and other senior executives, at state owned enterprises, like Transnet, Landbank, SAA, SABC, etc. to know that this is in fact true.

  • Herbert - 2011-11-08 09:37

    And when the pressure arises for them to leave parliament, they'll end up in a cushy job at a parastatal or other company, where they earn big bucks, that we, the taxpayers, subsidize. Good old fashioned african cronyism at work!

  • Mart - 2011-11-08 09:37

    This government is the enemy of the people who live here. The ANC at large has absolutely no honour. Oh that a black 'Dexter' would emerge and right the wrongs that plague us daily.

  • Thabo - 2011-11-08 09:40

    Jason, these people are not true ANC, just thieves out there to line-up their pockets. The only reason they are in the ANC is to be 'wolves in sheeps clothing'. The ANC has a lot of good people but unfortunately most have been side-lined because of the greed of these 'air-heads'. These people have turned the ANC into a snake starting to swallow it's own tail. It's either it "cleans up or ships out". Either way the sooner the better!

      stevie0064 - 2011-11-08 11:53

      If most of the good people in the ANC have been sidelined by the greedy, why are they still in the ANC?

      Shoe - 2011-11-08 15:25

      Well T-boss now 'those people' are the ANC. That is the ANC for you. The ANC IS those thieving; lying; looting people. Unfortunately, that is who the ANC is at this point. Oh, don't forget lusting. Their lust is of demonic levels.

  • baudoux1 - 2011-11-08 09:40

    Too dumb to think further than a food parcel and a t shirt!!!!

  • joy.termorshuizen - 2011-11-08 09:42

    Just heard this morning on the radio that SA is the second most corrupt country in the world....I wonder who beat us????? SHAME South Africa.....shame on you!

      stevie0064 - 2011-11-08 11:46

      Transparency International's annual "Corruption Perception Index" says different. Way different.

      joy.termorshuizen - 2011-11-08 14:26

      Perception and FACT are 2 different things Stevie......

  • Stinkhout - 2011-11-08 09:53

    This is why countries like Grease, Italy and Spain are in trouble today. The fat cat government spend, spend, spend and the peasants pay, pay, pay. But they spend more than what they get hence debt crisis in the future, no money for pensions, nobody want to help, world bank owns you and dictate what your politics should look like. Suckers!!!!

      Joanne - 2011-11-08 10:05

      Grease? Grease is the word, It's got groove it's got meaning Grease is the time, is the place, is the motion Grease is the way we are feeling..?

      Stinkhout - 2011-11-08 10:36

      I sincerely apologise to Grease for using their word when I was referring to Greece.

      Joanne - 2011-11-08 12:42

      :) just teasing you, Stinkhout.

  • Mfazepepa - 2011-11-08 10:13

    Am just not surprised, I thought as much. Our president is just playing with our minds.....cant you see!

  • Jacqui - 2011-11-08 10:20

    I'm speechless.

  • Laid - 2011-11-08 10:27

    Sacked ministers Sicelo Shiceka and Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde were still earning R840 000 a year salaries as ANC MPs. Pamodzi mine workers will face another Christmas without any benefits they face another dark Christmas. ANC WHAT THE %UCK

  • Mike - 2011-11-08 10:27

    Good lord, they get fired as ministers but not as MP's? What's the use then?

  • pius.mlomo - 2011-11-08 10:32

    What on earth do you pay someone that you have fired. This is damn strange. I don't believe this. ANC is killing this country

  • Hielke - 2011-11-08 10:32

    Only in South Africa do you get rewarded with a cosy political job for being a criminal, this says so much about our dear prez.

  • Alexi - 2011-11-08 10:33

    imagine when pig f**ker juju gets in to power !!! i can only pray people start wakin up !! and realise anc is not the way of the future for sa ! ...

  • Nomfezeko - 2011-11-08 10:34

    Well, I am not surprised. Our country! It is sad that there are people who do not have jobs, who deserve to be employed. And we have ministers who have not paid or suffer any consequenses for their actions, R840K is a lot of money and enjoying the fringe benefits. But, every dog has its day. People reap what they sow.

  • Shirley - 2011-11-08 10:57

    This shouldnt surprise anyone!When there is another protest over service deliveries they must remember who is realy to blame. They are all a bunch of leeches!!!!

  • Cheryl - 2011-11-08 11:00

    Why do you vote anc??????????????????????????????????????????????????Are you not disappointed??????????????????????/

  • Warwick - 2011-11-08 11:00

    And they carry on about the poor. Viva cANCer viva.

  • Kevin - 2011-11-08 11:28

    Fired means they were naughty thugs which means they were dishonest which means they must go home and stay home.Go directly to jail,do not pass go ,Do not collect R840 000 of taxpayers hard earned money.

  • Musa - 2011-11-08 11:40

    Hey you disgruntled, clueless whities: the President had powers to fire them as ministers, but cannot fire them as ANC MPs. The President did not appoint them to be MPs, he appointed them as ministers in his cabinet and he fired them. Do you get the difference? Those who say they are campaigning to stop paying tax, they must do that at their own risk. Tax evasion is a criminal offence and the Hawks are hard at work. I am submitting my tax returns next week before the 25/11 deadline. I don't want to be arrested, my little boys will starve.

      Bob - 2011-11-08 12:02

      Musa you call us clueless whities, well we are not the ones that voted in this government that are stealing everything from this country, so if we are clueless what does that make you, and no we will not stand back and watch them ruin this beautiful country.

      Stinkhout - 2011-11-08 12:10

      Musa thanks for explaining that. I never understood how democracy worked in Africa. Can you please also explain why people would want to avoid paying Tax? I believe that the majority of citizens have that problem.

      dave.j.colquhoun - 2011-11-08 13:29

      Good for you. Lets give the CaANCer some more of our hard earned bucks to support their corrupt policies (I don't think so!). I agree with everyone else that we should refuse to pay tax. Let them lock us all up together and then we'll all be safely locked inside away from the ANC money grabbing idiots and the criminals that they have set upon us. Where will they get their free money from then??

      richardjwp - 2011-11-08 13:54

      Thanks for laying out the situation clearly. As a law student, I already knew that being a cabinet minister and an MP are two different things. This is my first time commenting here, as I only recently started reading News24 and I have to say... People here are overly keen to use racial slurs. Saying 'disgruntled, clueless PEOPLE' would have made the impact of your words 100% more effective, as you would then be educating people, rather than belittling them. Corruption in government is a world-wide issue, affecting everyone regardless of race.

  • Harlem - 2011-11-08 12:56

    so now what post do they carry as MP's ...oh yes..they are training the NEW THIEVES on how to best steal from the poor...THIEVE TRAINING SPECIALIST...not a bad title for R 840 000 a year ...where do I sign up...

  • dave.j.colquhoun - 2011-11-08 13:18

    @Aisha Why don't you give them your hard earned bucks instead of letting the parasites continue to steal ours. Haven't they stolen enough for our taxes? The ANCorruption gravy train rolls on yet again. If you and the rest of the fools in SA stop voting for them then we'll all stand a chance for a better future here

  • dirk.smit1 - 2011-11-08 13:48

    You fire someone but still pay them a salary with benefits. Damn, can I go and work for the ANC. Oh wait, I can't, that might be racist.

  • nozukol - 2011-11-08 13:53

    If they do not want to loose votes they must change the system otherwise they are going to loose votes... The ruling party do not care about SA people they ony care about themselves, we understand that they fought and we did not experience what they experienced. They must remember that its us who put them there (positions) and we have right to let them down. Just a reminder, they are employed by SA citizens not themselves they are trusted by SA citizens on fulfilling the vision of SA. ANC must wake up they must stop this game now before it is too late. I just wish I can talk to them they are playing with fire....... Taxpayers are paying for fired people? Oh no, a fired person must be fired only and be exposed.