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Malema spokesperson slated over F-word

2011-07-12 22:24

Johannesburg - It is "unacceptable" for anyone speaking on behalf of the ANC to swear to get their point across, ANC chairperson Baleka Mbete said on Tuesday.

She was responding to questions about ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu who reportedly said "fuck you" to a journalist who called him about a story.

"I totally disagree with any bad language being used by anybody who is communicating on behalf of any part of the ANC," she said at a media briefing at Luthuli House, Johannesburg central.

"I think that's regrettable, its not language to be used... I'm saying anybody expressing themselves in a way that's swearing at anybody, it is unacceptable.

"You don't use language like that, you don't have to swear at people or be rude to people to make your point.

"You can make your point using decent language."

I don't have a problem

Media 24 Investigations journalist Jacques Dommisse called Shivambu to speak to ANCYL president Julius Malema about a supposedly lavish three-day safari he took before the league's elective conference last month.

The conversation "turned ugly".

"I said fuck you," Shivambu can be heard saying on a recording made by Dommisse.

Dommisse then asked if he was swearing at him, Shivambu replied "yes".

"Why do you do that," said Dommisse.

"Because you cannot force yourself to speak to people if they do not speak to you, what is your problem?" said Shibamvu.

"I do not have a problem," said Dommisse.

"Fuck you," said Shivambu.

Out of line

The National Press Club condemned Shivambu's comments, saying his behaviour was "totally unacceptable and completely out of line".

"Shivambu must apologise to the reporter for swearing at him," chairperson of the press club, Yusuf Abramjee said in a statement.

"The media has a job to do and we will not sit back and watch our colleagues being abused. This is a very unfortunate event and the National Press Club is shocked by this."

He also called on the ANCYL to discipline Shivambu.

It is not the first time the league spokesman landed in hot water over his allegedly foul mouth. He is also accused of calling Independent Newspapers political reporter, Carien du Plessis "stupid" and a "white bitch" via sms.

She has approached the Equality Court over the texts.

Comments
  • GTA_Lad - 2011-07-12 22:37

    Talk about a total lack of class, not that we expect much from this bunch

      Nongoloza - 2011-07-12 22:42

      They have no manners or culture, they are a disgrace to the human race.

      Phiwe - 2011-07-12 22:54

      For saying F-you to a person who to them is annoying? A lot of people swear everyday, I swear when I am annoyed by someone...I bet even GTA_LAD and yes you nongozola have sworn before. You might as well say all of humanity is a disgrace to the human race, because all of humanity has had a moment when swearing was needed. If a journalist or anyone annoyed me, I'd tell him exactly where to go...would that mean I am a disgrace to humanity? no culture? no manners? And I know a lot of very educated people who swear, not for a lack of a wide enough vocabulary but just to release some emotion. Prince Charles swears and he's probably the classiest guy ever.

      Phiwe - 2011-07-12 22:57

      I'm afraid this is no more than making mountains out of mole hills. It's just swearing, it's hardly a crime.

      Jegs - 2011-07-12 23:01

      Phiwe, yes we all swear, we all do a lot of stupid things, however, if your profession is that of a spokesman of an organisation whether it be a business or in his case a governmental body, you don't swear in your professional capacity! Besides, what's the point of being a 'spokesman' if you can't handle questions? Kind of defeats the purpose in it's entirety doesn't it?

      Phiwe - 2011-07-12 23:05

      yes it was probably bad taste but it's hardly enough to hang him on a noose for it. It certainly doesnt mean ones a disgrace to humanity or is uncultured (which is stupid - I guess I'll be taken to the equity court now).

      Amanzimtoti - 2011-07-12 23:12

      @ Phiwe... people aren't moaning because the individual (Shivambu) swore... they're angry becauseas the spokesperson for the ANCYL he's supposed to represent everything the league represents... And for your information, prince charles mumbled bloody under his breath. Swearing at someone loudly and muttering to yourself are two completely different things. Shivambu was just showing how ignorant he is when he swore (repeatedly) at the journalist... prince charles got caught, but you cant compare someone mumbling bloody to someone saying F-you and F-off.. apples and pears

      Phiwe - 2011-07-12 23:27

      Uh-huh, I think it's funny! It's good to see some human emotion even from people in high office. David Cameron even once said "sh*t happens" (while prime minister) there was no furore about it because people in the UK are not oversensitive! Tony Blair swore as well at people. I'm sorry this is just a cry over spilled milk.

      Umfubi - 2011-07-12 23:31

      @Phiwe: do you really truly seriously believe Prince Charles is 'the classiest guy ever'?? If you do, then I'm afraid nobody can take anything you say seriously... Prince Charles is an upper-class whining sleazebag. His behaviour has been nothing short of reprehensible - he is an embarrassment.

      thinker - 2011-07-12 23:35

      Is this what they teach them at the ANC political school? Tony must be proud.

      Idomeneo - 2011-07-13 01:37

      @Phiwe. Prince Charles, the man who was recorded saying to Camilla "I wish I was your tampon". Yes, that's really classy.

      grant9 - 2011-07-13 05:01

      Idomeneo, The coversation that was illigaly recorded was a private one between Charles and Camilla - a vast difference to a spokesman speaking to a jounalistwho was doing his job. My wife sometimes likes me to talk dirty in bed but once when I told my boss that he couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery I was almost fired.

      Rolie - 2011-07-13 07:09

      @GTA - More ass than class. What do you expect from this primate who has only recently started walking on his hind legs???

      roboman1 - 2011-07-13 07:15

      I am glad to see that PIWE is getting the thumbs down big time, because it shows that the people in general still have manners and standards. The ANC need to move firmly and start disciplining Maleam and his cohorts, they need to move into a civil era where society demonstrates mutual respect and the leaders need to demonstrate some form of decorum and intelligence, come on ANV leaders

      Azizi - 2011-07-13 07:19

      F... him that is why he was chased by the CYL.

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:37

      Phiwe.... to the press? As a spokesperson presumably responsible for maintaining the image of an organisation. In no way can that be seen as just fine. What one does in one's private capacity is your own indaba, but in this context? Don't be silly now, please.

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:38

      Well, Creeky, as usual your comment reflects your lack of class more than anything else.

      pitbull - 2011-07-13 08:20

      Class? He didn't even make it to Std 3 class.

      Werner - 2011-07-13 08:57

      @Phiwe '...because all of humanity has had a moment when swearing was needed.'. There is never a moment when swearing is a necessity. That's your poor upbringing disgracing itself right there. What you obviously fail to understand is that the behaviour by this so-called spokesperson is indicative of the disrespect/failure to care, which is exactly what's wrong with the whole of the ANC. You may deem it to be a 'minor incident', but it's the segway to greater crimes. It's like a taxi driving in the emergecy lane to pass others by, obviously breaking the law. It might seem at the time like a small offence. But it's that little seed in his head that says 'I can cheat and get away with it'. Not sure why I bother try explain this to you. Sigh.

      AirAction - 2011-07-13 09:01

      Maybe its the only english word he has learnt.

      Umfubi - 2011-07-13 09:11

      @Phiwe: I rest my case.

      Chronoman - 2011-07-13 09:13

      @Phiwe, we are talking about standards and etiquette here. Swear words are indicative of a lack of respect for the person/s you are talking to; it indicates poor upbringing on the side of the speaker and of a lack of self respect. Did you not know that?

      Freddie - 2011-07-13 09:25

      @Phiwa, yes many people swear in a social environment, however when at work and operating in an official capacity it is totally unacceptable to swear at, or demean another person in any way. Try swearing at a colleague or your boss, in any respectable company you will be fired! Please think before you type, otherwise all you do is show your ignorance.

      pop101 - 2011-07-13 09:31

      Phiwe, o Phiwe....what has happened to common decency and professionalism. He spoke to the reporter in his professional capacity (in other words as a well paid spoke person), and should have behaved as such. I can't rock up at a meeting and start swearing at people because they are annoying. I will be fired on the spot. Your way of thinking is really sad.

      Jay - 2011-07-13 10:08

      Phiwe, thats the problem right there, you DONT see anything wrong with it. Thats exactly the problem.......................hahahahahahahahahahahaha ignorance is bliss!

      Together - 2011-07-13 10:14

      Phiwe, are you paid to be the spokesperson for an organisation that calls itself the "kingmakers" of the nation? If not, then you can swear all you like. I'm glad that the public at large gets to hear what this spokesperson thinks of a reporter asking questions that we all need the answers to. He was probably trying to verify why the youth league is carrying around cases of cash instead of transacting through bank accounts which SARS can see. It's a good question. And if the youth league is such a pivotal part of policy-making, then they'd better be available 24/7 to the public they apparently represent. In what functioning society do you imagine you can have power with accountability and responsibility? If the youth league wants to call the shots for 50 million people, they must be able to answer questions posed to them by any of those 50 million at any time. Instead, we get "F-you"? If they are too young to keep their tempers or know the how to carry themselves in public, then they need to all be at college learning.

      Casper - 2011-07-13 10:36

      @Phiwe, You are so so wrong. It's different if you use that language in a private capacity, even sportsman gets fined for using such language whilst doing their job. But then again, any ANC person always think they are untouchable, above the law and above basic human professional etiquette. If any politician in the UK used such language towards a journalist there would be severe consequences. It's just another prime example of why South Africa is and always will be a third world country as long as the government allows such imbeciles to hold positions in the public light. What a shame it is what our country has become, nothing more than a zoo!

      Krush - 2011-07-13 11:23

      Phiwe - I'm seriously starting to think perhaps your culture just lacks morals, good manners and decency. Forget education, get someone to teach you morals and values. "Please" "Thank you" not screaming at one another in public etc. not spitting on the streets. not peeing in the street. the list is endless. Your culture has no shame.

      photofreak - 2011-07-13 11:36

      @Werner...would press 'like' to your comment 10 times if i could! You've explained it very well. especially the *sigh* at the end...

      Spyker May - 2011-07-13 11:57

      Phiwe, A spokesperson not only requires special talents, his/her demeanour serves as the ‘cover page’ of his/her organisation, portraying its core values. A spokesperson (inter alia) requires the intellect to remain tactful, yet forceful (as required); a reserved, smart person who can think on his/her feet, quickly summarise a situation, juxtapose it over his/her organisation’s mandate and then outsmart the other party verbally, while subtlety promoting his/her organisation (or at the very least not do it any damage). I shudder to put into words what the ANCYL represents – viz as portrayed by Floyd Shivambu’s demeanour – other than putting it very diplomatically: The ANCYL is a hate-filled, cognitively retarded organisation, infested with corrupt parasites, manically eager to exploit SA’s poorest and most vulnerable people, to provide for nothing other than their inner ring of mafiosi and its ‘bling’ lifestyle; in its wake it leaves a generation of youth who suffers from an entitlement rage that demands the entire universe to serve and worship them on the sole grounds of their ‘blackness’, while doing absolutely nothing else. The ANCYL’s spokesman himself represents everything that is wrong with post-Apartheid SA. He is simply another illiterate graduate, demonstrating that the right connections can deliver you almost anything in the pseudo lawless country that the mother organisation has created. As I said, I am being VERY diplomatic...

      daaivarksetier - 2011-07-13 12:39

      daaivark mustn't push!!

      2sense - 2011-07-13 13:04

      @Krush - Even though i totally disagree with FS comments, one shouldn't generalise an entire culture by the wrong doing of a few individuals, especially coming from you, considering your peoples crimes currently being commited against humanity.

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 14:04

      Pushing is what I do, imposter vark.

      huts25 - 2011-07-13 14:44

      @phiwe- '588 thumbs down' that has to be close to a record on news24, how does it feel? You earned it though, well done.

      Daemos1 - 2011-07-13 15:06

      I don't like Prince Charles... He doesn't eat babies or anything but I just don't like him

      Meanleader - 2011-07-13 15:37

      Phiwe ... Your IQ is showing son ... What amazes me is that someone of apparrent zero intellect is allowed to use a government computer !!! Or did you steal it ? What is half funny is you jusr don't know that you don't know !!

      Meanleader - 2011-07-13 15:47

      @2sence ..No more dagga for you son ...it is affecting your brain ....what crimes against humanity by whites are being investigated ? Currently there are crimes being investigated against the ANC for human rights violations , racist , nepotism etc ....etc.....etc....etc....pull your head out of that dogs backside , and take a deep breath ...you might start feeling human !!

      Mordred - 2011-07-13 16:23

      @ PHIWE - WELL SEEING YOU ARE SO PROTECTIVE OF THESE LOWLIFES, I CAN ONLY GUESS THAT YOU WERE ALSO ONE OF THE PEOPLE AT THE BACK OF THE LINE WHEN MANNERS WERE HANDED OUT. ANYONE CAN SAY "SHIT HAPPENS" BECAUSE IT IS NOT EXACTLY LIKE SAYING "F--CK YOU" TO A PERSON'S FACE. IT IS NOT AS IF THEY NOW WANT TO HANG OR LOCK UP THE IDIOT. ALL THEY WANT IS AN APOLOGY TO THE JOURNALIST WHICH IS REALLY NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK. YOU MUST LEARN NOT TO EXAGERATE AND GET TOO EXCITED.

      Digit - 2011-07-13 16:28

      ..... and look, Spyker did it without swearing. Isn't it amazing what intelligence can do ?? It is not about the degree (education) you have, it is the ability to use it.

      Together - 2011-07-13 16:44

      Everyone - Phiwe is not the enemy. He has put across his point of view and it's fine to disagree with him without getting personal. I'm sure if Phiwe was a spokesperson he would probably take the job very seriously. And considering the work that Prince Charles does with green issues, water issues, miscro finance projects and progressive cheap housing, he is actually someone to admire. PS. Charles isn't the one who swears - it's his dad, Phillip.

      Bashful1 - 2011-07-14 14:49

      @Phiwa. You're missing the point. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SWEARING UNDER YOUR BREATH (OR EVEN LOUDLY) AND SWEARING AT A PERSON. Come on man just use your head. You wouldn't be offended if I said "F*%@ it! I stubbed my toe" but you'd be offended if I said "F*%@ you! You made me stub my toe. You (profanities follow)."

      supporter - 2011-07-14 16:12

      just goes to show. it takes one pig to work with another pig. they deserve one another. no brains

  • Mesiya - 2011-07-12 22:53

    Thats uncalled for.

  • Frankly_Every1 - 2011-07-12 22:53

    All I can say is take your arrogance, stick it up your sorry ass and keep your ruined country.

      Carbon - 2011-07-13 08:17

      Thanks, my thought exactly.

      Jan Jabroer - 2011-07-13 08:50

      It's not his country, which is where the problem lies.

      York Hunt - 2011-07-13 10:08

      Hey Everybody! Let's not forget about the R78 000 in cash. Hello! Keep your eyes on the ball...

      Casper - 2011-07-13 10:41

      Couldnt have said it better myself! All my hope is lost, I will not be here much longer. It breaks my heart, but living here is like being told what to do by a 5 year old every single day of your life! Enough is enough! Keep your Zimbabwe, I mean South Africa!!

      Carbon - 2011-07-13 10:57

      I must agree with you, Casper. My hope in the good of this country has vanished with competent leadership in this country. I breaks my heart to have lost all forms of patriotism, but I cannot live like this anymore, wondering when this 'revolution'will reach climax. I just hope I get out in time.

      ANC-FTL - 2011-07-13 13:48

      +1 Casper it like a kinder garden is running this country and when they cannot have it their way they cry and throw their toys out the cot in other words act irrationally. They really are selfish brainless bimbos running this place – can they do anything right? So SAD!

  • John Paul - 2011-07-12 22:57

    They are people behaving like animals

      OuWitBooi - 2011-07-12 23:08

      Sometimes I think Comrade Floyd is an animal trying to behave like a person. He's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Even ShowerHead had to tell him to shut up at the ANCYL conference. Perhaps if he had known the limits of Floyd's vocab he would have told him to FO.

      Ian - 2011-07-13 02:44

      ANIMALS DONT BEHAVE IN THIS FASHION, ANIMALS ARE FAR MORE CIVILIZED, I WISH PPL WOULD STOP BLAMING OTHER SPECIES ON THE PLANET FOR THE WAY THE DISGUSTING INHUMANE RACE BEHAVES TOWARDS EACH OTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES CAPS I KNOW, HOPE YOU GOT MY MSG LOUD AND CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:40

      Sorry Ian, missed that. Couldn't hear. Please repeat.

      Jay - 2011-07-13 10:15

      US damn it i mean US not USE English she fails me

      Sizwe Mogale - 2011-07-13 10:54

      Ian I'm glad you said human race! People can be idiotic certainly people of all races. Its disappointing that people turn it into a racial thing and not a humab behavior thing. But thats South Africa for you I guess

      StevieWonder - 2011-07-13 11:47

      No, John Paul, please don't compare them to animals. My pets have more culture and ethics than that bunch of sorry-ass dumb idiots!

  • jock - 2011-07-12 22:57

    It is about time somebody from the ANC takes the ANCYL to task for what they say and how they say it.

      Mike - 2011-07-13 07:50

      For me what is more telling than the subject of the story is the line "It is "unacceptable" for anyone speaking on behalf of the ANC to swear to get their point across." Since when did the ANCYL officially speak on behalf of the ANC. This is a contradiction to previous statements they have made but I guess this quote was 'out of context.'

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-07-13 09:08

      I'm glad she did... I'm sure politicians swear all the time and the reporter was basically waiting for it. But Floyd is a spokesperson, which means his job is to stay cool and answer questions... If the ANCYL want to use stupid tactics to avoid questions during interviews then they should expect journalists to employ the same tactics when asking questions.. Behave like arrogant kids and get treated like them.

      Charlie - 2011-07-13 09:10

      No chance jock...there's no discipline or respect in the anc or the YL, look at how often this sort of thing has happened with no repercussions!!! If this were private business shivambu would be on his second serious warning & have his foot halfway out the door! Time for people in the anc to grow a set of balls and enforce some sort of discipline!

  • Amanzimtoti - 2011-07-12 23:00

    Oh so now they've decided the ANC Youth legaue is actually part of the ANC... yet whenever malema says something crazy (which generally happens every few minutes) they (the ANC) always try distance themselves from their youth league counterparts saying its an entirely separate entity

      grant9 - 2011-07-13 05:08

      Exactly!

      Together - 2011-07-13 10:15

      busted! Brilliant.

      The Wonderer - 2011-07-13 12:54

      Goes to show, the ANC is scared of Malema, the reason they don't confront him. Yet when FS stuffs up, then it's, oh no, that's not allowed....

  • LGH - 2011-07-12 23:17

    Why is anyone surprised? This is what is to be expected from this bunch! And can you just imagine what they are say when they're not being recorded..........

      Wow! - 2011-07-13 08:46

      @Smaal - to lump all peopletogether in the same pot is very biased. I have had black people as friends since I was a kid in Zambia and I trust them to the hilt - that is +/-55 years of trust and I have no reason to be dissapointed. Let's be honest - in all racial groups there are supremists who believe that they are the chosen.

      Together - 2011-07-13 10:16

      Smaa, they certainly don't represent the majority of black South Africans - no matter what they say.

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 11:22

      Smaal..... that is a bit of a NASTY one Bru... Stop painting ALL people with the same brush! I know people like you too.... and they are black... As with EVERY society, you will find BAD APPLES, and if you don't remove them, the WHOLE LOT GOES BAD!

      Martin - 2011-07-13 11:58

      @Together: Actually, according to the democratic process, the do represent the majority of black South Africans. If 80% of the country is black, and 60% of that 80% voted for the ANC, then the ANC represents 60% of black South Africans. That is exactly how a democratic government works. The ANC represents the majority of South Africans, whether they, or the South Africans, like it. The ANCYL is a branch of the ANC and therefore has the same representation.

      Together - 2011-07-13 16:48

      No Martin, many of those votes came from Cosatu workers, SACP voters, Womens' League and people who have been bullied into believing that all other parties are "evil". I have far more faith in the people I deal with every day, and I see their disgust and shame every time these guys perpertrate another crazy action. People can deceive you with words, but when you see a genuine look of shame when they hear the spokesperson telling someong to FO, you know how they really feel.

  • khunsol - 2011-07-12 23:20

    The ANC should start by disciplining Malema if they are concerned about the reputation of their organisation. What type of leaders are they groomimg? We all know that nothing will come out of this and instead Malema will soon be criticising Balete Mbete in the media.

      economyfree - 2011-07-13 09:38

      @khunsol: No the ANC should start by being responsible as far as our tax money is concerned, they should start taking stringent action against those thinking the Government coffers is there as a substitute to their personal bank accounts, that is where the ANC needs to start, Arrest and convict those found guilty of tender fraud and maybe we will take you serious. Stop accusing those who bring to our attension what Idiots like Bheki Cele are doing behind close doors, Bheki Cele is a Mafia Police commissioner who according to proof from the Public protector he was found guilty of maladministration and misappropriation, what have you done about that Baleka Mbethe? and you expect us to take you seriously? ha ha ha...

  • jock - 2011-07-12 23:27

    I suppose he can blame the evil white nation who taught him this very descriptive word.

      OZNOB - 2011-07-12 23:40

      no it is all apartheids fault that he swore at a reporter repeatedlyjust as it was it was apartheids fault when malema called a reporter am agent

      R.Suppards - 2011-07-12 23:44

      IS he Shaun or is he Foyd? Floyd sounds so Flawed to me, Shaun sounds nicer, sounds less stupid, Hello Shaun.

  • R.Suppards - 2011-07-12 23:38

    Let's call it quits, lets call Shaun a stupid twat, and his Boss Juju, THE EPITOME OF ALL TWATS. Is every body happy? Yes? Good Night

      MacDuff5@24.com - 2011-07-13 07:57

      @R. Suddards - Hey Man! Twats are useful - these guys aren't!!!

  • jacojansevanrensburg - 2011-07-12 23:58

    ''allegedly foul mouth'' Not alleged at all my cousin....

  • RenJayKay - 2011-07-13 00:13

    I have an OBVIOUS question ... never mind what actually happened for a moment. One can expect nothing less of what everyone else has called them thus far. What I'd like to know is this ... since when did it become acceptable for a national newspaper/media chain to actually PUBLISH this word? I thought we were all using *** or something similar? Has society, and journalism, sunk that low in South Africa that a publication can now get away with publishing filth and foul language, all in the name of "journalistic freedom"? Have we as a public lowered our standards to such a degree that there has been no outcry over the word itself being published? Nes24 is a site that my children visit regularly, especially since its set up to appear on their email home pages! Do we really want our children thinking this kind of language is acceptable to ANYONE in society, never mind just the politicians and their contacts? What an absolute disgrace! Who will get Media24 to apologise for using teh word in public? Or is that just something else that we as South Africans have to see fall away from our "cultural heritage" as well?

      phunkylizzy - 2011-07-13 01:35

      I agree, very undiplomatic from News24. Swak! ( nes ou vlooitjie)

      grant9 - 2011-07-13 05:33

      I disagree. When your children read the article they will see what an upset has been caused and learn that you can't get away with using foul language in public. If your kids are using the internet they will have read plenty of vulgar words before now. It's up to you as the parent to teach them that there is a time and place to use them. Furthermore a newspaper has the duty to report the facts, in this case a public figure swearing at a reporter. At least parents of black children can see the calibre of their future leaders.

      Looter - 2011-07-13 06:10

      you so ridiculous, how about protecting your kids from news itself, thats a start! If you cant handle the heat GTFO hehe :P

      dave_23 - 2011-07-13 06:49

      I have some disturbing news for you RenJayKay, your kids probably hear more swearing in one day at school than they will read on News24 over their entire lives. It is your job as parent to teach them this kind of language isn't acceptable.

      Pickle - 2011-07-13 07:08

      Go have a look at other media sites. they have published the word too...

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:42

      Your kids use the word more than you think. Don't be naive. The average movie is worse. Do you watch films? Do your children" Off your high horse, please.

      Santie - 2011-07-13 09:13

      @RenJayKay, thanks for making me laugh my @ss off just now. Sounds like you live in the year of the Voortrekkers or something. Your comment is so stupid and totally beside the point. Really.

      Umfubi - 2011-07-13 09:17

      If your kids set news24 as their home page, I'd suggest you get involved. Publishing the f-word is really very mild compared to the cheap tabloid drivel which regularly appears elsewhere in these pages.

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 11:25

      RenJayKay... as Barry Hilton once said: "HERE'S YOUR SIGN"!!!!!!!!!!!!

      StevieWonder - 2011-07-13 11:50

      So, should we candy-coat reality and use words such as S**t, N**i, P**s or F**k in the media instead? Tell it like it is - this is the real world dude.

      Neles - 2011-07-13 17:15

      You should worry about your children reading these comments rather.

      Rustum X - 2011-07-14 12:48

      It is the same word whether you spell it with whatever letters from whatever alphabet... The idea is to convey the word. I can use XXXX or **** or f__k and it with still be the One Word that you read... The word exists. Your children can only decide it is unacceptable to their own vocabularies once they are familiar with it.

  • Wishbone - 2011-07-13 00:26

    A spokesperson with a foul mouth - spot the irony!

  • shamus oconner - 2011-07-13 02:06

    Take him to court

      grant9 - 2011-07-13 05:37

      Sadly the ANC is above the law. Zuma has even said that they are above the constitution.

  • Annom - 2011-07-13 03:59

    Empty vessels make the most noise..

  • Baakens - 2011-07-13 03:59

    What more would you expect from Floyd "Sleeping around is sleeping around' Shivambu!! ***hole!

  • Stuartthom - 2011-07-13 04:51

    i see a "i was quoted out of context" coming

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 11:26

      Same as the "TOILET FARM" saga... it is now a CONFUSION, and NOT a CORRUPTION..... ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!

  • Rudi Kay - 2011-07-13 05:01

    Again it showes that the so called "youth" league consists of a bunch of illiterates. Shivambu's attitude shows that he is uneducated, as he had to resort to that type of language. If you can't even have a conversation with a reporter without using the "F" word, it shows your lack of grey matter between the ears. Spokesman indeed - I wouldn't even have him as my gardener!

      Mordred - 2011-07-14 15:05

      This is the only way in which they are able to speak and they get taught this by their mothers because, remember, the fathers are always nowhere to be found if they ever had fathers.

  • Roy - 2011-07-13 05:08

    What can you expect from one like Floyd Shivambu.He must say what his master,Malema,would have said and he also has to keep in his masters good books otherwise no pay and good life.

  • Mark - 2011-07-13 05:13

    At least hes speaking english. Lets see him say !@#$ you to me or one of my mates who out-weigh him by at least 20 kilos. of bone mass before we talk about muscle. And Im willing to klap him for being rude to women!

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:44

      Wow, so who's the big strong man then?

      Eddie V - 2011-07-13 08:42

      @Daaivark. Is it all you do on the website? Chirp people? I've read through a lot of the articles and all you do is make snotty comments on other peoples comments. Rather shut up if you don't have anything interesting or valid to say. Idiot.

      Together - 2011-07-13 10:19

      I'm glad that the public at large gets to hear what this spokesperson thinks of a reporter asking questions that we all need the answers to. He was probably trying to verify why the youth league is carrying around cases of cash instead of transacting through bank accounts which SARS can see. It's a good question. And if the youth league is such a pivotal part of policy-making, then they'd better be available 24/7 to the public they apparently represent. In what functioning society do you imagine you can have power with accountability and responsibility? If the youth league wants to call the shots for 50 million people, they must be able to answer questions posed to them by any of those 50 million at any time. Instead, we get "F-you"? If they are too young to keep their tempers or know the how to carry themselves in public, then they need to all be at college learning.

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 14:06

      Some people deserve a good chirping to. See what I chirp about and then talk again.

  • Mark - 2011-07-13 05:15

    Comerade Floyd that is!

  • Briony - 2011-07-13 05:32

    when will the ANC remove these embarrassments out of there party? this is a joke the ANC is a joke... South Africa is becoming a joke because of the fools that are in the ANC

      King Msendi - 2011-07-13 14:36

      I always ask myself the same question…

  • James - 2011-07-13 05:32

    @ RenJayKay.....plonker!

  • IBI - 2011-07-13 05:36

    If the question had been asked face to face, comrade Shivambu would probably have pulled a gun. That's why the question was asked over the phone; very wise. @GTA Lad; "class" cannot be apportioned to this up and coming ANC leader.

  • Sandman - 2011-07-13 05:53

    Who is following who?

  • Wynand - 2011-07-13 06:09

    If you want to be a reporter you must be able to take abuse or else get yourself a office job - Cowboys don't cry

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:45

      No-one is crying. They are reporting what happened. That's what reporters do.

  • patrice - 2011-07-13 06:30

    We forget that this is the youth league - ie the baby brigade - and it should be expected of them to be obnoxious brats in their passage to adulthood.

      LFL - 2011-07-13 08:43

      So does that mean it is acceptable???

  • LLEWELLYN - 2011-07-13 06:34

    goes to show you how stupid they are. they ALL need to go back to grade N and start all over again. dumb FU*K's.

  • Mangena1 - 2011-07-13 06:42

    The mere fact that journalist recorded their conversation without Floyd’s knowledge, it shows that the journalist has the agenda. That was unprincipled of him to record the him without his knowledge. That is why the ruling party will push for the media tribunal. It show that South African media is still controlled by certain individuals who are using it to pursue their interests. Since the ANC Youth League is touching real issues like land and nationalization, now they are trying to shift the focus through media. They ANC Youth League must continue to address issues of national interest and not be shaken by the untransformed bodies like the media. What has change from the Media of today as compared to one prior 94?

      patrice - 2011-07-13 07:08

      The change is that the media is now primarily black - you labour under the illusion that transformation is an end in itself, with no thought as to whether the said transformation is for the greater good.

      daaivark - 2011-07-13 07:47

      Nonsense Mangena. The issue is NOT whether he was recorded or not, but that he speaks like a toilet. Journalists record stuff. Even a one-eyed deaf donkey with Alzheimers knows that. Don't prove yourself as stupid as the man with the oh-so-colonial name.

      LLEWELLYN - 2011-07-13 07:57

      agenda MY ass that is what they do (record everything). get a brain cell you dumb ass.

      Santie - 2011-07-13 09:18

      Jip, Mangena, just as stupid as your master!!

  • Kevin - 2011-07-13 06:58

    Which word ? His first name or the other F word.

  • LOLWUT - 2011-07-13 07:01

    Would you honestly expect any manners from these uneducated washout "children" from the ancyl?

  • Deeteem - 2011-07-13 07:03

    Can Floyd shut the F up for 67 minutes for Mandela Day !!

      BrattStar - 2011-07-13 07:20

      OH BOOOM! Thats the best comment yet! Nice 1 Deeteem

  • Michi2 - 2011-07-13 07:04

    You can take them out of the bush .......

      Neles - 2011-07-13 17:18

      ......... but you cant put them on a poster next to Helen Zille

  • BrattStar - 2011-07-13 07:11

    WHAT A BLOODY JOKE! BLOODY BANANA REPUBLIC WE ARE LIVING IN. If I had the chance to get the hell out of SA I would but I cant so what do I do? Just sit back and take it up the ass while these bloody money stealing useless so called "politicians" f*k SA up... One day is one day my ANC friends - soon enough everyone will have had enough of your stealing and corruption and you will be facing judgment by the people!

  • Fanie - 2011-07-13 07:21

    They are worried about swearing????????? but not about public proclamations where theft and murder is being instigated....wow

  • kongo - 2011-07-13 07:25

    This is why we need to regulate the media. Their journalists are working for the DA, who gives them the right to record telephone conversations? If I was Shivambu I would lay a case of harrasment against that white journalist. This people think they are allowed to just phone and record anybody they want then they complain when they get swore at. It is the mindset of the oppressor.

      jakes - 2011-07-13 07:42

      Troll alert!! Dont you have a few cars to hijack today??

      Annom - 2011-07-13 08:06

      "This is why we need to regulate the media" Yes like how dare does a white imperialist agent ask a simple reasonable question of a public figure to explain his unreasonable actions... *rolls eyes* "Their journalists are working for the DA" How do you know that Jacques Dommisse works for the DA? Do you have access to his bank accounts so you can see where hes pay comes from? "who gives them the right to record telephone conversations?" Who gives SABC the right to film people in the streets and then broadcast them on national TV without their consent? "If I was Shivambu I would lay a case of harrasment against that white journalist" If you where Shivambu you wouldn't be posting on this forum as this white invention is rubbish and racist because its too hard to use... "This people think they are allowed to just phone and record anybody they want then they complain when they get swore at" THESE people have a job to do, their job is to be investigative journalists who probe where they feel fit to expose unlawful behavior the public has the right to know. And just for the Dommisse was not complaining, he just posted what was said to him. Get your facts straight. "It is the mindset of the oppressor" It is the mindset of a Racist to point fingers and make false accusations while firmly believing they are never wrong. You my friend live a sad existence of denial and a false sense of entitlement. I actually feel a little sad for you, just a little...

      Annom - 2011-07-13 08:22

      @Kongo. O wow, you used an internet meme, -10 intelligent discussion points to you. And your ancestors "walked" from North Africa. Yes walked because at the time when my ancestors arrived on a man made marvel capable of traversing the great oceans of this world your ancestors did not even know what a wheel was. Its quiet ironic that you suggest that I swim to Australia. I suppose its true when people say the more things change the more they stay the same. In your case your mindset has not progressed since the days of your ancestors and still can not fathom the modern world.

      kongo - 2011-07-13 08:28

      And the true racist emerges. You people are always pointing out how intelligent your race his and how stupid my race is. There is no place for you in South Africa, please stop commenting on our forums... racist.

      Judge Judy - 2011-07-13 08:40

      Yoo caan't, don haraass me.

      bar-one - 2011-07-13 08:50

      Hey kongo ? What did your ancestors develop ,or, own , where were they ,where are all their buildings and infrastucture like the rest of the world ? Oh ! there weren't any ! were there ? Shut the hell up when you don't even know what a journalist or news is (journalists record conversations so that they can later use them to write articles... eggshell) . How you perceive it through your monochrome vision is a sad reflection of reverse racism .You need to upgrade to colur vision and come into the 21st century . The ONLY truth is the government (which is supposed to operate independently of political parties) is working for the anc . You are and will always remain the biggest stumbling block to your own emancipation.

      Santie - 2011-07-13 09:25

      kongo, do you really believe the nonsens that comes out of your mouth??

      Charlie - 2011-07-13 09:43

      @kongo Sounds to me like you just pissed off because you a NON-SWIMMER!!!

      Liberty - 2011-07-13 13:36

      @kongo we don't need to point it out, we all know that already

      liveandlove - 2011-07-13 16:49

      Kongo you can join the rest of the naughty children in the corner.

      liveandlove - 2011-07-13 16:52

      @ Kongo There is no place for you in South Africa, please stop commenting on our forums... racist. Kongo ROTFLMAO you are the racist here and if it was your forumwell then it would be a 5 man show.

  • braamc - 2011-07-13 07:34

    Look where it is coming from

  • dseptemb@24.com - 2011-07-13 07:34

    so does that mean any reporter can call any government official and request information about anything?

      kongo - 2011-07-13 08:05

      This journalist should be put in jail. This illegal phone calls to ANCYL members must come to an end. We are puting in place plans to regulate the media and I cannot wait for this to happen.

      Chillepeppa - 2011-07-13 08:49

      How was this call illegal?

  • Annom - 2011-07-13 07:44

    Has anyone actually listened to the audio for this "conversation"? I swear every bit of spew that came out of this Floyd Shivambu, the way he speaks is an indication of a being with just enough intelligence to construct a sentence... I have seen apes with more reasoning and logic than this fool.

      kongo - 2011-07-13 08:08

      Again the apartheid mindset. I hope you have enough intelligence to know when you are not wanted in this country.

      Annom - 2011-07-13 08:10

      I did, that is why I have already left...

      kongo - 2011-07-13 08:14

      So then why do you feel the need to have a say here? Go comment on Australianews24 you bloody colonialist.

      Annom - 2011-07-13 08:46

      I feel the need to comment on here because I still feel that I am a South African. Displaced by a racist government with racist policies, forced to leave so that I can survive in this world. What is happening in South Africa and what is going to happen in South Africa makes me very sad. But in the not too distant future when your brothers and sisters are holding those begging bowls to the first world countries and beg. And at this time of death and famine I will not be laughing, I will not feel the sadness I feel now, I will not even feel any guilt for leaving. No my friend I will simply forget to take my wallet out to offer my hard earnings to you.

      Mangena1 - 2011-07-13 09:33

      Surely in Australia you are welcomed there. You are the same many white South Africans who claim that the will go to Europe because they can’t enjoy their racist tendencies. The same Europeans that claim to brother and sisters, they don’t want see you there because they know that you are damn selfish.

      mike - 2011-07-13 10:15

      @kongo - I hope you have enough sense to realise that ... oh sorry I forgot you dont have a brain cell

      Matt - 2011-07-13 13:45

      @ Annom - any vacancies...

      King Msendi - 2011-07-13 14:46

      @ Kongo… I can see that you are an ANC but you don't stand for what ANC is all about. Shivhambu was wrong and he is always wrong.

      Mingo - 2011-07-14 11:31

      Annon is this what you are saying? "But in the not too distant future when your brothers and sisters are holding those begging bowls to the first world countries and beg. And at this time of death and famine I will not be laughing, I will not feel the sadness I feel now, I will not even feel any guilt for leaving." Then if it is: Why don't you return our passport and stop calling yourself a South A frican if you do not have anything to say good about our country. You like to be regarded as South Africans when you are in touble where ever you are. A South African is some one who pays his allegiance towards this land and by ther look of things you don't.

  • Comic - 2011-07-13 07:45

    Shows you there is f@ckall going on in that head. Their brains is brand new and never being used, the whole lot of them.

  • Orosman - 2011-07-13 07:49

    I wonder what all the Journalist said. Are they always innocent. Did the journalist call when it was party time and as Shivambu drinking at the time. How persistant was the Journalist.I bet the majority of people that make comments here have told others to Fx@K off. Our country is in great shape if a big issue is made of swear words.

  • Stewart Cape Town - 2011-07-13 07:51

    To be honest, I'm not sure what the fuss is about? Some guy told another guy to f*** off? Really? Is that it? Get a grip, it happens all the time and unless it causes injury or harm in some manner, it's not illegal. It's not very clever, either, but that's also ok, there are many comments on this story that suggest there are quite a number of very average people in the country. The reporter is brighter than Floyd and goaded him, Floyd buckled and it became "news". Floyd is weak and an easy target, no achievement to get him to react in this way. Anyways, why should the ANCYL respond on how they paid for the stay, they aren't accountable to the public, only to their members. More interestingly, why were they invited to the establishment?

      Epicurius - 2011-07-13 08:12

      Oh poor naive Stewart. Are you so blind? If somebody who IS accountable to the public conducts themselves in such a manner when asked a simple question, then they should not hold the position they are in. When someone such as Malema, who sells himself as a champion for the poor and downtrodden but is repeatedly exposed as being a Johnny Walker Blue glugging, Cohiba puffing, Breitling wearing jet-set playboy wannabe, yet he and his cronies refuse to see the inherent problem with this, then there definitely IS a problem and the public deserve to know about it. Especially if he is going to be a future candidate for president of this country. Hopefully issues such as this this can help people make an informed decision about who to vote for in 10 years' time - the pathetic muppet or the genuine, eligible candidate? These guys just want the media suppressed and they are being exposed as having nothing less than contempt and disregard for the people and the concepts they claim to champion.

      Stewart Cape Town - 2011-07-13 08:48

      On what basis is the ANCYL accountable to the general public? And why the focus on Floyd's outburst? Not to deflate your personal yearning to be champion of the people, but feel you need to be aware that the majority simply don't care what the media publishes about their party or heroes. Action will win the hearts and minds, not highlighting petty hiccups or poor behavior of the opponent.

      Epicurius - 2011-07-13 09:25

      You're correct that the continuous exposure of these brainless numpties as the idiots they are may not influence all voters but it is making a difference. This failure on their part AND action from the opposition will swing the votes in the right direction. You appear to imply that this is an opposition funded smear campaign, yet all it is is a journalist doing his job. The only smear campaign is being perpetrated from within the ANCYL, by the ANCYL. As for the ANCYL's accountability to the public, they are accountable to conduct themselves in a manner befitting youth leaders. Do you truly believe this is untrue?

  • Jason - 2011-07-13 08:03

    he was saying that coz the whole crew was busy with heineken consumption and he needed to be there

  • Sisie - 2011-07-13 08:06

    Once again he will say that his comments were taken the wrong way. Uneducated git.

  • Alexi - 2011-07-13 08:08

    and this is a man with equal education as every one else!!! well done anc !! this is a true reflection of the future leaders of south africa ! ..... hahahahhahhah typical !!!!!

  • Daniel - 2011-07-13 08:09

    Why may I ask when people commenting on a story spell the f-word out properly, their comment is deleted by News24, yet they publish the word as it is meant to be, come on News24, double standards ??

  • Ozymandios - 2011-07-13 08:09

    You cannot make a silken purse from a sow's ear. After 350 years of so called rubbing shoulders with us they resort to this in public as representatives of a political ideology. If you did this in Europe, as he has done, you would not be asked to leave, you would just get fired - full stop. I believe the pigs have taken over the farm.

  • Gordon - 2011-07-13 08:11

    Shame is that all he gets a wrap over the knuckles. How soft is the ANC, no wonder they cant deliver on any election promises

  • kobus.erasmus - 2011-07-13 08:11

    Maybe it's the only two words this clown knows !

      Charlie - 2011-07-13 09:30

      Yes, and it's seems that's all the qualification you need to be spokesperson of the ancYL these days! My, how standards have dropped!!!

  • Sandy - 2011-07-13 08:13

    Reprimanded by a toothless dog....