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Full bench to hear Zuma painting case

2012-05-24 07:47

Johannesburg - A full bench of the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg will hear an ANC application on Thursday to have a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed taken down.

Judge Kathree Setiloane has granted permission for e.tv and eSat to broadcast the court proceedings live.

The painting, titled The Spear, was part of Cape Town artist Brett Murray's exhibition Hail to the Thief II at the Goodman Gallery, in Johannesburg.

The ANC wanted the gallery to remove the painting. It also wanted the City Press newspaper to remove a photo of the painting from its website.

The application was postponed on Tuesday to allow all parties to file further papers to the court.

Zuma's children would also join the case to have the painting removed from the gallery. It was not immediately clear which of Zuma's children would join the case.

Murray had also applied to be part of proceedings.

Comments
  • nickey.vanrensburg - 2012-05-24 07:51

    Are you freaking kidding me ? And they say the courts are too busy to handle cases. It's because of this type of juvenile behavior,and rather giving attention to cases that don't matter.

      kabelo.leballo - 2012-05-24 07:58

      ANC over n over again! im tired #sigh

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-24 08:02

      Corrupted goverment, F@ck you and your e-tolls

      Rudi - 2012-05-24 08:09

      How the hell is it possible that the 'full bench of the South Gauteng High Court' can be used to hear a stupid case that should not have been heard in the first place?! Who pays for this?! WE DO! You trolls!! And then you want more money for e-tolls and you have time and money to waste on Zuma's vienna!!! How do you expect us to have respect for this nugget in the first place?! oh whatever...

      Koos - 2012-05-24 08:10

      The court might also want some concrete proof that Zuma is in fact the father of the attending children. This case may take a while.

      Kala - 2012-05-24 08:20

      Morons! The gallery has already taken the painting down because it is ruined.

      Surfing - 2012-05-24 08:24

      The ANC is a struggle party , struggle between leaders, struggle to deliver, struggle with partners,struggle with its own organs, struggle with press, struggle with integrity, struggle with reality, struggling with the people, struggling to survive, struggling with corruption, struggling with irregularities, struggling with paintings.

      melania.nel - 2012-05-24 08:24

      When is the hearing for Ayanda Mabula's painting?

      Squeegee - 2012-05-24 08:42

      Only 200 of his children will be able to attend.

      patricia.b.tee - 2012-05-24 09:08

      Who cares!!!!!!!!! Hey Zuma have you heard about the Delmas murder of the innocent baby and the 66 yr old lady caring for the baby!!!!!Wake up Zuma!! we have had enough!!!!Will there be also a full bench when they catch the bastards that did this disgusting murder????

      sheda.habib - 2012-05-24 09:10

      We all know the painting is a FAKE..... We all know that he has no BALLS. NO BALLS TO FIGHT CORRUPTION. NO BALLS TO CALL BLACK PEOPLE RACIST (HE CALLS IT TRIBALISM) HIS CHILDREN ARE FIGHTING THIS CASE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAS NO BALLS. SO, please tell me who that painting truly represents??????????????

      Rob - 2012-05-24 09:23

      Murders, Hi-Jackings, rapes, daily and HE says we are safe ! It's taken one stupid painting to mobilise the ANC off their @sses & react in a way they SHOULD BE reacting to their failure to provide acceptable safety to this countries citizens ! Talk about priorities. What a bunch of IDIOTS !

      Rudi - 2012-05-24 10:05

      @Juliarse - I see in the article (refer to your link above) that Jackson Mthembu declined to comment and said he did not know Mabulu or his art. Do you think he declined because Mabulu is black and can't be labelled a racist? Another question: Is Mabulu now also looking for exposure?

  • Peter - 2012-05-24 07:53

    BAD news24! BAD! go sit in the corner! Stop procrastinating and do your job, report on the news dont copy paste

  • Peter - 2012-05-24 07:57

    In other breaking news! I've just recieved a message! yes... yes... it seems that news 24 has once again beaten the record for the most irrelevant and rehashed news stories of all time in the shortest amount of time! and thats it, im peter jeffrey, signing off

      Peter-Peter - 2012-05-24 08:01

      lol, yesterday, there were 9 'news slots' on the home page about this c**p. 9 out 20...they obviously looking for hits...

      Tuco - 2012-05-24 08:54

      malema is gone so news24 have nothing better to bore us to death with. repaeating the same dumb story over and over again is all they got.

  • morapedi.tshwarelo - 2012-05-24 08:01

    Does any one kmw the tym of the court proceedings?

      richardman.mgabhi - 2012-05-24 08:12

      They said its at 10 o'clock. Unless its been changed.

      morapedi.tshwarelo - 2012-05-24 08:13

      @Richard thanx a millions

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 08:28

      See you there mate,

      Themba - 2012-05-24 08:45

      I guess some of us have to brave the cold in order to show our loyalty in return for the social grants and RDP houses we received by our leaders who live in mansions and cruise around with body guards in sleek german mobiles at the expense of the taxpayer. A few days later we must go and toyi-toyi against them for lack of services. What a wonderful world sheep live in :)

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 08:59

      Eish,,,, This Koala is Carnivorous

      Felix - 2012-05-24 09:12

      Ha ha Themba, nice one :)

  • des.palm - 2012-05-24 08:14

    Full bench for a painting.Yet no concern for farm murder cases??? WTF !!!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 08:29

      Thanks to Murray.......Hail to the theft of RSA Judicial service.

  • Phumi - 2012-05-24 08:16

    The leadership must just drop this case because street justice has been done and the painting is no longer there. This country has far more pressing issues than to be defending our president's sexual prowness and his inuendos! Rather use this energy and vigour to persue issues that we are being disciplend for like land expropriation without compensation and an economic freedom agenda in our lifetime!

      Peter - 2012-05-24 08:23

      You dont think the failing education system, no medicine in hospitals, corruption, fraud and neoptism are more pressing matters?

      Felix - 2012-05-24 09:24

      No Peter, unfortunately Phumi is of the opinion that he deserves everything for free because people suffered in the past and he happens to be the same colour as them. While I agree, stolen land should be returned to original owners and the youth need job opportunities I cannot agree more that education and health are far more pressing issues. If we could sort them out we won't have to deal with Phumi's in 20 years because they will be too busy doing real jobs.

  • Herbert - 2012-05-24 08:16

    Shameful. This petty ANC goverment is a pale shadow of its great leaders of the past. If only they would be as quick and eager to deal with the corruption and crime in this country.

  • Afrikanerbul - 2012-05-24 08:18

    Normally you have a battle to just get one judge to hear your case. Here we sommer have three, just like that! And then they say we are all EQUAL before the law. What utter cr*p. Why is this case so important? Newsworthy it may be but important? NEVER.

  • Donald - 2012-05-24 08:18

    The bully eventually looses

  • Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-24 08:22

    Most properly we are paying for these bench sitters like usual. No wander our country is in a shamble.

  • melania.nel - 2012-05-24 08:23

    When is the hearing for Ayanda Mabula's painting?

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 08:31

      You racist you tsk tsk tsk :D

  • angela.monaghansandells - 2012-05-24 08:24

    Respect has to be earned! Instead of wasting our tax money on a bit of paint on canvas, get out there and mobilise every resource available and find the person who murdered that poor innocent baby and his carer.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 08:37

      Yes Murray and this Gallery must learn Respect alright.

      Themba - 2012-05-24 08:41

      Tamaranui, respect is earned. Only sheep respect someone who does not have self-respect and could not be bothered what anyone else thinks of him

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:04

      Never seen a Carnivorous Koala before, This world is constantly changing I suppose. Sheep on the Menu as well ?????

      Pieter Mulder - 2012-05-24 09:09

      Make sense to us, but millions is on a wrong parth. Or are we on a different wave length?

      Themba - 2012-05-24 09:15

      Tamaranui, repeat after me: bah!bah!bah! Now sit down and shusshhhhh!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:37

      Yeah right,

      angela.monaghansandells - 2012-05-24 10:14

      Tamaranai, whether you or I think this painting is disrespectful or not is not the point here. The point is how can anyone justify this whole painting drama being more important than human life. Seriously, this country has bigger problems and more important issues to deal with than to fart about wasting time, money and resources over a painting. Regardless of who it is of, whether they are clothed or not. Set it on fire, get rid of it and get over it and get on with the job at hand!

  • Schmee - 2012-05-24 08:28

    But.... his genitals are now covered up... besides that, when did he ever pose for this painting so they were never his genitals to start with. Oh well, at least it gives some extra time for some murdering rapists trial to be postponed for this most important matter.

  • michael.vanwyk.33 - 2012-05-24 08:33

    utterly disgusting i might say!

  • Thamsanqa - 2012-05-24 08:38

    Malema used to absorb all the pressure directed to Zuma......now that he is gone Zuma is on his own. Surely he'll quit before Mangaung......

  • Gert - 2012-05-24 08:40

    Shouldn't a minor case like this be thrown out of court and seen as wasting the court's time.??? It is unconstitutional to prevent freedom of expression. This painting was displayed IN AN ART MUSEUM FOR PEOPLE TO VISIT TO APPRECIATE ART. The other case of the newspaper and its web page informing the public about the news is not a crime either. They want to take away the freedom of the citizens to look at art. What zuma did to this country with corruption, should be discussed in a high court. We are still waiting for those cases to be heard and with the wings clipped of the Hawks and the secrecy bill, it will probably never happen after YEARS OF ATTEMPTS. This minor case gets preference in a few days' time. What the painting tried to say is just continuing to happen--arrogant corrupt forces at work.

  • Sonja - 2012-05-24 08:40

    Someone shoot the lot of them (cANCer pigs)

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:20

      Advocating violence again,

  • mukosit - 2012-05-24 08:50

    Why painting him naked at first place? Shameless people.

      Themba - 2012-05-24 09:18

      Dude, have your eyes examined. JZ is not naked, only his "spear" is dangling out to show that he uses it to think, which is what dick-tators do :)

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:21

      Themba, you really are an Indoctrinated fool or just another Fake. I am sure you are the latter .

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 09:43

      Funny how black people who don't agree with the government are all indoctrinated or called coconuts. I guess that is one of the reasons our education system is such a fail. If you don't educate the people then they seldom think for themselves and you have more puppets that think the leader of the country is great.

  • annerie.m.coetzee - 2012-05-24 08:51

    WOW!!!! A FULL BENCH!! We hardly get justice for "Plaasmoorde" or Rapes......A FULL BENCH FOR A PICTURE OF A TOTTIE.....Now thats Record!

      Alan - 2012-05-24 08:56

      Tsotsi Tottie takes to the stand. All rise for judge Eric Shinn. First witness - Sir Cooper.S.Droop

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-24 08:57

      This tottie should be could shorty!!

      Gert - 2012-05-24 09:42

      Such an order can only come from the chief justice and isn't he the chosen one of zuma.

  • Roger Small - 2012-05-24 08:53

    I'm surprised how many white folks actually agree that the portrait is distasteful and disrespectful, well i have to say that this entire matter comes back to the right to privacy versus freedom of expression where do u draw the line?

  • Carolyn - 2012-05-24 08:54

    Same circus new day

  • willybegood - 2012-05-24 08:56

    http://www.iol.co.za/pretoria-news/artist-slams-dark-anc-stand-on-portrait-1.1303227 HAhahahahaaaaaaaa Gotta love Jackson Mthembu's response to Mabulu's statements... LOL.

  • Chris - 2012-05-24 08:58

    you would think that these people would have better things to waste their time on as crime is clearly not an issue for them! VIVA SOUTH AFRICA!

  • Roger Small - 2012-05-24 08:58

    its amazing how sad RSA has become the full arm of the law will be used for a painting what about the large scale corruption in the government #SelfServingGovernance

  • elkita.robbertse - 2012-05-24 09:01

    Tamaranui.Why don't you have respect for life and die.You are such a moron.No pills for your sickness.Sorry

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:05

      mmmmmmmmmmmm This is the way you use to think,,,,Try the 21 century.

      Alan - 2012-05-24 09:52

      Yeah Tama - and you should join the 21st Century

  • sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-05-24 09:02

    Some points to ponder which will surely be brought up on this case >> Is ridicule an acceptable form of criticism, or an acceptable mode of dialogue? What are the boundaries to freedom of expression? Is it acceptable for someone to test these boundaries? How and by whom should these boundaries be decided? Is art allowed to do things that other forms of expression are not? Why or why not? Is it more acceptable, or less acceptable, to mock someone if he/she is a senior public figure? If Dubul' iBhunu is hate speech, should this artwork not also be declared as hate speech? What are the similarities & differences? If someone disrespects human dignity, to what extent does this allow us to show disrespect in return?

  • DPillay - 2012-05-24 09:03

    How is this not over already???? Was the painting not ruined?

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:07

      Big picture, If you can handle it. The image is damaged however the aim of this Murray has not been addressed. We do not want further detractors derailing our transformation in this manner. Now we are dealing to the Root cause.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-05-24 09:14

      I do not think Zuma understands satire. Look mail & guardian's list of satirical images, and then it will be clear that fun has been made of hundreds of people who have not responded to their ridicule in such an hysterical way.

      Jason - 2012-05-24 09:15

      tamaranui - the more of your comments that i read the more i realize that you are merely a troll without much sense.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-24 09:23

      Jayded one, What you think is of no interest to me. Common sense is not part of a Detractors character. If you and some of your pals are not seeing the big picture here....... Grab the crayons and sit in the corner asseblief.

      willybegood - 2012-05-24 09:42

      yooohoooo Tamaranuiiiiiiiiii http://www.iol.co.za/pretoria-news/artist-slams-dark-anc-stand-on-portrait-1.1303227

      Alan - 2012-05-24 10:14

      @Tama - FYI - the BIG PICTURE is that the anc have failed the country and are incapable of sorting out the mess they created. Trolls now hang on to the anc's 'blame it all on Racism and Apartheid' words, to shift the focus away from their failures, to those who are blinded by truth. Instead of confronting the big stuff up's (like Tolls, Corruption. Education), they make big issues of 'snall' things (like the current painting). Now if you want to catch a wake up - the World is undergoing accelerated exponential change. In 10 years time, China and India will be the world powers. Technology will make today's world look like the Dinosaur Age. People (world wide) that are not up there with the 'leading edge' will be poor and often unemployed. It is believed that what people may learn in a degree today will be obsolete in 10 years time. So you need to be at the forefront NOW, to have a chance. Where does that leave most of our fellow Africans??? So boet, don't sweat the small stuff! We all have much bigger iddues to face that the presidents 'member'. The Big Picture we are facing is frightening, and not what you think it is. Africa is poorly positioned to 'make' it in 10 years time. The anc needs o deliver EDUCATION. They can do nothing without Taxpayers and Responsible Spending. So - best you be cateful what you are wishing for .. there is a MUCH BIGGER PICTURE!

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-05-24 09:04

    Oh what a pathetic waste of time and money. The man has serious self image issues. It's a repeat of the spilt drink saga. The man is behaving like a four year old having a tantrum. He brought this on himself.

      Lungelo - 2012-05-24 09:46

      Leave our ppresident alone>

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-24 09:06

    what a waste of my money!!!!

  • Lauden Kirk - 2012-05-24 09:14

    They the ANC are angry. There supporters get arrested for destroying a painting portraying there leader in a bad light. No body is above the law of karma

  • shane.primmer - 2012-05-24 09:16

    What I find strange that they crying about a winkie pic, what about the name of the collection "Hail to the THIEF". Have they just accepted the name as 'acceptable'? Why waste money on bull like this. Can't those judges sort out the backlog of some serious cases instead of playing along with this childish display of immature politics.

  • Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-05-24 09:19

    The ANC and Zuma's actions keep inspiring artists to do more paintings and Im sure Zapiro is very inspired.

  • Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-05-24 09:19

    The ANC and Zuma's actions keep inspiring artists to do more paintings and Im sure Zapiro is very inspired.

      Alan - 2012-05-24 09:29

      Zapiro has a field day with these clowns. he is never at a loss for material.

  • Freedom - 2012-05-24 09:20

    Cant Zuma get over himself, the painting is defaced, unless he gets the MIB to brainwash the memory of the painting will always be around. PS what about those black guys that done their interpretation of the 5 white leaders r they also going to be taken to court after Zuma gets his hearing.. Damn Loser!!!!!

  • Bloodstone - 2012-05-24 09:28

    How on earth is the ANC going to prove that the painting actually depicts/represents JZ? It was/is called "The Spear" The actual features of the painting can resemble any of a million or more males. Who latched onto the notion that it is an actual depiction of our "great leader"?

  • Daniel - 2012-05-24 09:28

    I think its acceptable in the art world for an artist to make 3 identical paintings to be used as 'original'... I'm guessing the one that's been defaced will be more valuable as it is

  • Polotic - 2012-05-24 09:33

    What a waste of money? Who is going to pay for this?

      Schmee - 2012-05-24 09:47

      You and I with our taxes. All that while they can't provide school text books for the next generation of lawyers.

  • Gert - 2012-05-24 09:39

    Who gave the order that a FULL bench must attend to such a minor case??????????????????????

  • Andile - 2012-05-24 09:43

    All Government Departments must stop advertising in City Press!!!

  • thandazab - 2012-05-24 09:44

    Wow nice to know our leaders' priorities in this country! why did this lil issue become such a big deal! Mayb the ANC should pay us to go jump up n down outside da court at least dat wud address da unemployment issue for some while they are busy with trivial issues! Killing two birds with one stone right there! We get it, it was disrespectful nw hw bwt we move right along n talk bwt real issues?

  • Henk - 2012-05-24 09:53

    An e mail I received : Where are our Priorities????? The controversial painting has now been defaced. 2 guys were arrested. The ANC's court case is going ahead on Thursday to force the gallery to remove the artwork. - A 17 year-old mentally challenged girl was gang raped & the video went viral. No one marched. - An 8-year-old girl was raped by a 15 year-old boy & her eyes gouged out. No one marched. - Entire provinces are without school text books - it's almost June. No one marched. - Our imminent police chief is a gangster & has brought our police service to its knees. No one marched. - Our country has one of the highest unemployment rates in the world. No one marched. - Our democracy is going down the toilet but no one marches. But our country goes hysterical over a painting! We threaten lawsuits, protests & violent reprisals. Where are our priorities??? What are we thinking??????!!!! We have now proven beyond doubt that our collective mentality doesn't rise above the waist.

  • blipsie - 2012-05-24 10:14

    Liewe genade, you would think it was his very own set of cajoonies in the painting and not just a painting. If it was a stolen naked photo of him I can understand the ruccus, but seriously this is so juvenile.

  • Joseph - 2012-05-24 10:16

    I am an artist too but with better morals and with a full functioning brain, I would not draw such a potriat and to make matters worse to put it on display. This is a president for Gods sake,a father and parent to all of us and deserves respect and we should not to let our freedom of expression run like a loose stomach.

      Ze Don - 2012-05-24 11:13

      Speak for yourself! My father has morals. He doesn't have 5 wives, 20 children and 16 bastards! He doesn't steel and has never had anyone murdered!

  • flower.fourie - 2012-05-24 10:27

    Dismiss the case

  • Esther - 2012-05-24 12:18

    Are these people for real? Is this really worth the attention,time and money? Perhaps a way to steer away from the real issues and incompetence of the government

  • bhekithembam - 2012-05-24 12:36

    Must be an important case indeed!

  • Enlight - 2012-05-24 13:17

    You all sit around this bonfire, drinking indulgently from a common soiled cup, belching the rot you were fed by your forefathers who amassed all for your insatiable desire of comfort at the expense of the common man, who, as you tap each other's shoulders in wild laughter and jest, sharing your false convictions, he stands on the periphery, unable to cast his opinion on these matters making you foolhardy believe, in these groups, you make sense.

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