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Gauteng 'warned' about tolling system

2011-10-29 12:35

Johannesburg - The Gauteng government was warned four years ago that the province's tolling system should not be implemented without public transport being improved first, the Saturday Star reported.

This is according to a 2007 review report from a consortium of a local law firm and an international traffic and transport management company.

The now defunct Transport Management Authority (GMTA), which was an agency of the Gauteng government, had at the time commissioned the review report. The GMTA was tasked with overseeing the alignment of transport programmes and resources in the province.

According to the report, it was found that the tolling system was not considered in relation to overall transport context.

Experts


The consortium made use of traffic experts from Germany and the United Kingdom, with the objective of finding solutions to the province's traffic congestion.

Concerns raised in the report by Mncedisi Ndlovu and Sedumedi attorneys, Dornier Consulting and Black-Magic were that:
- No mention was made of public transport in the SA National Road Agency Limited Sanral proposals.
- Substantial highway improvements proposed with the introduction of tolling would result in little or no change in traffic using freeways.
- The enforcement proposals were unlikely to achieve the suggested payment rates.
- And there was concern about the impact of proposed upgraded and new tolled freeways upon the largely urban surrounding road network.

The report was handed to public transport, roads and works MEC, Ingnatius Jacobs, the Saturday Star reported.

Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele this week ordered Sanral to halt all road project processes related to the tolling of national roads.

Forty two electronic toll gates have been erected on the Gauteng N1, N3, N12, N17, R21 and R24. The tolls cover a distance of about 185km.

Outrage

There was outrage when it was initially proposed that users of light motor vehicles with e-tag accounts would pay R0.49/km to use the toll roads, minibus taxi drivers R0.16/km and bikers R0.30/km. Vehicles without an e-tag account would be charged R0.66/km.

The Cabinet later approved reduced toll tariffs for the Gauteng freeway improvement project.

It agreed that light motor vehicles would pay R0.40/km, medium vehicles R1/km, "longer" vehicles R2/km and bikers R0.24/km. Qualifying commuter taxis and buses would be exempted entirely.

There would be a 31% e-tag discount, a time of day discount available, and a frequent user discount for motorbikes and light motor vehicles fitted with an e-tag.

Comments
  • Howard - 2011-10-29 13:11

    Ndebele needs to clarify his statement RE: "ordering SANRAL to halt all road project processes related to the tolling of national roads." "All processes" to me means ALL processes - not only those associated with Cape Town. From what I have gathered, the Gauteng tolls are still going ahead as planned - warnings or no warnings. To quote S'bu "if you don't like it - catch a taxi". We don't like it Mr Minister and we are NOT going to take a taxi that you would not be prepared to set foot in.

      Vusi - 2011-10-29 14:24

      @Vukani. Put a face to the rubbish you post on here. If you don't have the balls to show us who you are when you come hang around here, then go kick a ball with the kids outside. But that is always the case with these trolls. A troll is a psychologically dysfunctional child with huge sexual issues. This kind of medium is an excellent outlet to vent their frustration because their underdeveloped stuff is of no good when they get to a girl.

      Mike - 2011-10-29 15:15

      Vukani this is a least the 10th time you have posted the same drivel, you are an Internet troll

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-29 17:40

      News24 readers should be warned about "trolling" system (Vukani)

      Lauren - 2011-10-30 04:02

      Vukani, I am a friend of Vusi's and he is by NO means what you suggest he is. He is a critically thinking young man. That, BRO, you are going to have to live with!!

  • Paas - 2011-10-29 13:11

    Didnt look past the cash cow possibilities.

  • Judith - 2011-10-29 13:23

    The so called highway improvement project has resulted in extremely dangerous roads with a total lack of law enforcement. Expensive police vehicles sit idly on the side of the road watching offenders pass by. Tolling will not work because it is deeply wrong and inequitable

  • Saksak - 2011-10-29 13:32

    but the highways have been improved

      Stephen - 2011-10-29 14:02

      Saksak to an extent yes. But don't you think you pay more than enough taxes and a high enough fuel price to justify you having relatively decent roads to drive on?

      bruce.mills1 - 2011-10-29 14:10

      Maybe so ( except the R24 - but it is tolled as well), however we were 'sold' the Gautrain as a traffic volume reducer, especially for the M1/N1 route. Bombela now say that was never the intent but our projects costs ballooned exponentially since the tender was awarded. [ hey, not so 'tender' to the taxpayers rear - wallets - any more!] The entire approach by SANRAL has been one using a bulldozer to run over public opinion. I can't blame them entirely though, as our centralised leadership system ignores the opinions and valid objections of the citizens of the country, so why should SANRAL listen? When the anger of a large mass of people is aroused, they CAN become an immovable object! Looks like this Transport Minister wants to keep his job so he has to start listening! Now will the Government wake up and realise they can not piss off people and get away with it anymore?

      Vusi - 2011-10-29 14:17

      @Steve. So very very true!!!!!! Dof isn't the word to use for them. But I can't use the right word on here. I will be thrown off. I fully agree that our taxes should have covered these improvements, but what do we do instead? We listen to Swaziland and its Playboy King and almost loaned him R2.4 Billion. My question is to this government and SARS who are forever advertising that they are going to lock us up if we don't pay our taxes....if you can entertain insane requests like that of King Playboy, how about this? Charity begins at home.Improve our own roads and don't borrow money from foreign consortiums to pay for our roads! How dof is that????? And then NOT honour your agreement afterwards! Bad bad Bad for our image abroad and just shows the world how dysfunctional we are. And to Uncle Chief Tax collector...you want to lock us up if we don't pay taxes, how about you start locking up all your buddies who are stealing our tax money????????

  • Clinton - 2011-10-29 14:15

    I just cannot understand why our esteemed ministers can't seem to find the link between the lack of infrastructure projects for public transport and the lack of jobs for a large percentage of the country. And then complain that the death tolls on our roads are too high. Its simple you idiots if you give the people the choice between affordable safe public transport and costly private transport the people will choose correctly. Instead the answer from our transport minister is to lower the speed limit. What a wally.

  • Wayne - 2011-10-29 14:27

    "We will not listen...we will not learn...we will not be told by the people, especially the white kind, what will work and what not...and if it does not work, we take a drink, laugh and look the other way. Get that?" That is the attitude, unfortunately. Just as with the proposal to lower the national speed limit. Plz have a look @ legislation - taxi's, buses and trucks are not to travel at speeds in excess of 80 km/h or 100 km/h @ ANY given time. Plz now hv a look @ the vehicles involved in the majority of accidents since May this year only, the # of lives lost or people injured. The facts speak for themselves. You, Mr S'bu have to speak to your forebears and ask why our rail system was allowed to go to waste and be vandalized @ free will; why we don't hv a reliable and safe public transport system all over our country; why we hv a white elephant in the Gautrain with its own prob's when we cld hv invested in a more appropriate and elaborate system. Yes, Gautrain is gr8 and may serve some purpose. Our taxi drivers need to be dealt with harshly and NOW for being a law unto themselves, not to forget the owners as well. Trade ur gas-guzzling motorcade for a taxi or two daily and permanently - and I don't mean a charter, @ random, Mr S'bu.

  • Alien42063 - 2011-10-29 14:35

    This group is taking a stand against the Tolls on Facebook. They are also on twitter and have their own website: https://www.facebook.com/TollfreeGP

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-10-29 14:47

    Money has no colour so leave racism out of it. The best protest in the world without violence is simply don't pay,- all of us!

      Vukani - 2011-10-29 15:06

      Are we talking about white South Africa or black South Africa? Let's be honest guys, there's a huge difference between the two. White South Africa has the feel of a european 1st world country whereas black south Africa has the feel or a 3rd world African country. Let's not create a false sense of unity and equality because that is one way of preventing racial equality and justice from happening.

      Mike - 2011-10-29 15:20

      Vukani enough of your trolling!!!!!!!!

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-29 17:08

      Lol Vukani, you are the best troll ever. Sganja has nothing on you...

  • Wayne - 2011-10-29 15:40

    Vukani, I enjoy your comments, however, to simply blame black poverty on racism and an obnoxious past policy will not do. That is exactly the problem we have with some ppl on the political main stage. It is false propaganda. You need to investigate that one much much further and read on the cultures and ways of Europeans vs Africans over the past centuries. Interestingly, in India today you have the same problem. A country divided into very rich and very poor. The poor are content with a small piece of soil to grow his small crop, his donkey, perhaps a sheep or couple heads of cattle. They have a population bursting by its seams. Those on the other scale have "evolved" and stepped into the business world. Smaller families, not having children you cannot "afford", not depending on social security/grants, actually attending school and not loitering about, a school system that churns out young people equipped for life, instead of bothering to introduce them to adulthood when they cannot even spell. Our history and cultures go back way beyond 1948. We need business to be in a position to create jobs, not govt alone, we need people to be trained and willing to work, not accept that they would be given something for nothing. You are informed and know what I am talking about, and it has no colour today. We all need to get on the "bus" and work together.

      Vukani - 2011-10-29 19:01

      When talking about inequality one has to look at both sides of the racial spectrum. Here's wikipedia's article on white privilege: "In critical race theory, white privilege is a way of conceptualizing racial inequalities that focuses as much on the advantages that white people accrue from society as on the disadvantages that people of color experience. Most such theories focus on American and European societal condition, since inequality between whites and non-whites is a long-standing feature of these academic areas. White privilege differs from conditions of overt racism or prejudice, in which a dominant group actively seeks to oppress or suppress other racial groups for its own advantage. Instead, theories of white privilege suggest that whites view their social, cultural, and economic experiences as a norm that everyone should experience, rather than as an advantaged position that must be maintained at the expense of others. This normative assumption implicitly constrains discussions of racial inequality within the dominant discourse: such explanations are limited to factors specific to disadvantaged racial groups - who are viewed as having failed to achieve the norm - and solutions focus on what can be done to help those groups achieve the 'normal' standards experienced by whites." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege

      Brenda - 2011-10-29 20:04

      Wayne, you and Vukani are having a tiff here. Ask him why it took over 30 billion to do the fixups and f..ups with the trollroads and it takes China 1 billion POUNDS to build a COMPLETE highway and with rail for 26 MILES over the ocean. Does not quite add up, does it????????

      See - 2011-10-29 21:12

      Thing is, dominance of one race over the other only happens because of one thing: The ability of one race to dominate and the inability of the other race to do the same. It has largely to do with intelligence or the lack thereof. Political correctness wants to tell us otherwise, but nothing else explains it.

      Vukani - 2011-10-29 21:18

      It's got to do with motives.

      reynard.j.debeer - 2011-10-30 04:03

      @Vukani you obviously have a chip on your shoulder! You need to stop your finger pointing game, and please stop posting your white privilege non sense. If you could challenge all your grudges you have for white people into something positive like helping kids in your community with an education perhaps you will see the bigger picture... To help your fellow SAfricans, and realize we all contributed to this country, our ancestors died for this country! So respect their efforts, and lets fight a new war, a war for peace and understanding, where we can stop racial prejudice and teach our youth, that the person they see on the street today (of opposite appearance) had nothing to do with any negativity of the past... Then you are fighting a wining battle!

      Louw - 2011-11-11 15:55

      Wayne, mees sinvolste kommentaar oor die onderwerp.

  • John - 2011-10-29 19:34

    We the PEOPLE reject this exploitation, oppression, and theft by the genocider Association of National Criminals = Abortion Murder Genociders.

  • Dave - 2011-10-29 21:48

    About 5 years ago my wife & I attended a "Road Show" pertaining to the upgrade of Gauteng's freeways. Thhe proposal was that the existing roads would be maintained and be free to those that wished to use them. Additional lanes were to be added to existing roads, those wishing to use these faster lanes would be tolled. NOT A BAD IDEA. Now we are presented with a fraudulent plan that ALL lanes will be tolled. THIS IS THEFT. WHY IS THE BOSS OF SANRAL NOT AWARE OF THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL?

      Warwick - 2011-11-11 15:11

      Because Ali Babba and the BEE theives are trolls.

  • Lauren - 2011-10-30 04:13

    Vukani, I notice that you are very vocal with regard to the money that white people have. You however reamin conspicously quiet on the subject of how the tax money is being spent. You cannot continue looking for your troubles with the white man. That ship has just about sailed. You are not oppressed anymore. This is a wondeful thing. Nothing fell from the sky, my friend. The business you are lamenting were all started from scratch at one point. They did not just magically fall from the sky. You come across as intelligent, so there is nothing stopping you from doing the same thing. Put your mind to it AND JUST DO IT. You say things were stolen from you. What was stolen? Wine farms? They were there and somebody took it from you? Companies were there and they were stolen from you? No, guy, it took guts and grit to get these things off the ground. You can do it too. DO IT!! xoxo

  • Elizabeth - 2011-10-30 08:28

    During the Nats. we paid extra levy for SASOL and for road levies, SASOL was privatised, for what was the money used for, definitively not for road improvement.Alex

  • Gilad - 2011-10-30 20:13

    I havent read Vucani's posts in this thread but he looks like a good oak

  • Sav.Demetriou - 2011-10-31 08:03

    All the idiots have to do is stagger school starting times between 7am and 9am and most of the traffic issues will go away.

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