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Get rid of bad teachers - DA

2011-04-13 18:16

Cape Town - The education department should rid itself of teachers who are not capable of offering pupils a quality education, DA MP Wilmot James suggested on Wednesday.

"There is nothing more fundamental in education than having an excellent teacher in front of the class," he told MPs, speaking during debate on the department of basic education's R13.8bn Budget vote.

James said education was currently not lacking in resources; the issue was one of quality.

"The quality of education... outcomes has deteriorated. Observe, for example, the increasing need for bridging programmes at universities; of the increasing reluctance on the part of higher-education learning institutions to rely on normal admission standards."

James told Basic Education Minister Angie Motshekga that it was not possible to accurately establish who the excellent teachers were because her department's data collectors were not doing their job properly.

Questions posed by him to the department, trying to establish how many teachers were qualified to teach the subjects they taught, had not received a response.

"Your department's data-collection division is run by rank amateurs. The data-collection machinery is not set up to answer the fundamental questions that must be answered in order to run a modern state ministry," he said.

James called for the introduction of performance-based pay for teachers, as well as the introduction of a subsidy allowing teachers to acquire the "tools of their trade", including computers and internet access.

"There are many very good and committed teachers working very hard, but we must acknowledge that there are very poor ones that ought to be managed out of the system.

"And many of the very poor ones came from the bantustan education system in the 1990s. We cannot... afford to have poor teachers miseducate the nation's children," he said.

Comments
  • Proffie - 2011-04-13 18:44

    Unfortunately the critisism will fall on deaf ears, followed by the race card again. Welcome to South Africa. You only need to be 67% doff to pass matric.

  • call a spade - 2011-04-13 18:51

    So where do you start cleaning up this mess. Who will replace the very bad ones that must be managed out of the system. In some instances the pupils in a specific situation are better educated than the teachers. 90% of the budget goes for salaries and the turnout passrate is anything between zero and whatever. Teachers not attending classes. Thank God I am not Motsekga...but for her, what does it matter.

      gen.mewmew - 2011-04-13 21:04

      We start at ourselves! We need to live the change we want to see. Every single one of us

      gen.mewmew - 2011-04-13 21:05

      We start at ourselves! We need to live the change we want to see. Every single one of us

  • Lestor - 2011-04-13 19:14

    Better a bad teacher than no teacher. Sure get rid of the bad ones but make sure there is are teachers to replace them.

      Gen - 2011-04-13 19:28

      If government got rid of all the bad and unskilled teachers it would leave a vacuum that would never be filled. The present students can't get 33% to pass. Think of the IQ levels of voters in twenty years.

      watalife - 2011-04-13 19:48

      If the get rid of all bad teachers they will only be left with NON bee & AA educators

      watalife - 2011-04-13 19:48

      If the get rid of all bad teachers they will only be left with NON bee & AA educators

  • Macho Mike - 2011-04-13 20:56

    Eish, we can't do dat. If we get rid of da bad teachers, hau there will only be a handfull left!

  • Macho Mike - 2011-04-13 20:56

    Eish, we can't do dat. If we get rid of da bad teachers, hau there will only be a handfull left!

  • Obelix - 2011-04-13 21:40

    Sorry I have to mention race but it so unfair that a white child who is doing 6 to 8 hrs a day, who passes matric with a few distinctions has no chance to get a job if an AA candidate also applies for that same job. The blackie has done no more than 20 hrs schooling per week, (not his fault though) due to bad teachers (zuma said so) but he is the preferred employee due to his skin color. Lekka fU9ked up this country.

      DW - 2011-04-13 23:15

      Never mind the chance to get a job. The students who have a few distinctions have limited chance to even get into university as there are limited numbers of positions available for white students. The result is poorly educated students which then necessitates a drop in standards to get them through university. Degrees which were once highly regarded from SA universities are no longer recognised internationally. When will these people learn that you cannot improve the lives of the masses by pulling everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator? You have to build them up to a level of excellence.

      DW - 2011-04-13 23:16

      Never mind the chance to get a job. The students who have a few distinctions have limited chance to even get into university as there are limited numbers of positions available for white students. The result is poorly educated students which then necessitates a drop in standards to get them through university. Degrees which were once highly regarded from SA universities are no longer recognised internationally. When will these people learn that you cannot improve the lives of the masses by pulling everyone down to the level of the lowest common denominator? You have to build them up to a level of excellence.

  • kseyffert - 2011-04-13 22:28

    Lets get real. If they are not good enough, retrain. If that does not work then replace. It's simple and it works for Industry!!!

  • Boer - 2011-04-13 22:38

    Seems like nobody likes blacks.

  • Napkins11 - 2011-04-14 04:03

    It appears that the bulk of this article is critisizing the structures in place to monitor the teachers. Given the proportion of government spend on salaries I agree that this should be monitored. In the same breath we should not forget that often teachers have been left low on the resource delivery. While funding is being provided on a mass level, the management of these funds and the follow up on delivery of the required classroom related materials is not efficient in many cases and leaves teachers spending teaching time trying to adjust to the poor teaching environment. It is critical to ensure that there is a monitoring system that focuses on the upkeep, maintenance and high standard of both the teaching environment and the teachers' skills. A possible solution would be to implement a monitoring system within the budget provided, with the bulk of this system being an information technology system, as this will place emphasis on the preparation of the correct documentation to streamline information gathering, processing and reporting. The other monitoring process will then focus on teacher skill levels and training and provide a framework wherein teachers not meeting the grade are first given the opportunity to improve instead of unceremoniously kicking them out and creating more unemployment and teacherless classrooms!!! Let's grow SA together, with quality and do so by creating opportunity for our youth of today for the success of tomorrow:) I love South Africa!!!

  • Donald - 2011-04-14 07:50

    Hi All I must disagree strongly with both the report and the comments posted as the Education System had done splendidly. Before I start. let me congratulate all teachers on their performance. Firstly, teachers have attained their outcomes for Politics,they have since 1994 used much of their teaching time to support the Election of our Comrades into positions of power. Most of them throw the best parties in town. Secondly.the leaders among the teaching fraternity have landed prime jobs in Municipalities and in government.They continue to earn salaries that make teaching an absolute joke. Finally,tried and trusted value systems and structures that were in place have been completely eroded so that Education is dysfunctional and haven't a hope in Hell to produce quality. This will ensure complete political success as this "voter fodder" will find it difficult to make any meaningful decisions in their lives and in the Elections. They will continue to elect woodwork under-graduates to Political Office. So I reiterate, this is a fantastic Education System achieving the right Outcomes for the current political masters. Congratulations Angie

      Liberal-Inde - 2011-06-10 14:27

      Hi Donald 1 quote "Finally,tried and trusted value systems and structures that were in place have been completely eroded so that Education is dysfunctional and haven't a hope in Hell to produce quality." Are you refering to the Bantu Education system, that was used before 1994, that prepared black kids for their future as maids and garden boys for whites? Tried and tested by whom? The apartheid white goverment?

  • NV - 2011-04-14 16:16

    So you want to get rid of half of the teachers in SA??

  • sainsaudi - 2011-04-21 10:03

    The unfortunate thing is that there are so many bad teachers in schools today that it would be difficult to identify them. There are too many people who are teaching because they cannot do anything else, and they definitely can't teach. They spend their time gossiping, conniving against colleagues, professionally bullying each other, brown-nosing superiors or the in-crowd , pushing their social/political agendas and climbing the ladder that they have no time to do what they are supposed - teach! Professionalism has been sacrificed on the altar of insecurity. Ethics and morality have been thrown out with the idea that being a teacher is a vocation. What needs to be done is there should be a concerted effort to professionalise the profession. Far too many professional, dedicated teachers are being harrassed out of education by incompetent ladder-climbers and can't-do-anything-elses, and the Department of Education listens to these people because these people have more to lose if they are not heard. Re-instil ethics, professionalism and morality back into school staffrooms and a difference more competent teaching body will emerge. I spent seven years in two schools, one independent and one public, and I was subjected to workplace harassment not because I did anything wrong, but because I did everything right. I was accused of being sexist, racist,gay,a drunkard,a drug addict, incompetent, a liar, unreliable, and so on. The conclusion: I am a damn good teacher!

  • Budweiser - 2011-06-05 10:00

    If we get rid of bad teachers in the current school system, the school system would have to close, because all 12 left over could not handle the work-load.

  • sainsaudi - 2011-06-05 10:09

    After having taught at a private school and a state school, I resigned without another job. Not because I was a poor teacher, but because I was seen as a threat, not only to the my colleagues, but to the schools' managers as well. And concerted workplace harassment ensued which almost led me to taking my own life! Why? I actually taught and knew how to teach. What was appalling was the quality of teachers and managers in those schools. I can say without any doubt that I taught with some people who should have never been allowed into the teaching profession.I was overlooked for promotion on a few occasions, however this is not the issue. The appointees were AA/EE candidates who were underqualified, one becoming HOD with only a two years teacher's training college diploma, and the other with just a degree and no teaching qualification.Both of these candidates drive luxury German 4 X 4s and live in expensive gated communities. They definitely do not need their jobs. What needs to be done is to professionalise the occupation and give teachers and schools clear mandates about ethics, codes of practice and a clear, unambiguous code of conduct for teachers that will bring back ethical and moral behaviour. Do away with AA/EE and appoint the people who actually want to teach. Reinstitute independent inspectors of education, as the present system (IQMS)is manipulated by principals to suit themselves.

  • Ninja.com - 2011-06-10 14:48

    Get rid of GoZille...

  • SĂȘ maar net - 2011-06-28 22:30

    Might be a 50/50 situation - what exactly is a good (excellent) teacher, or a bad one? Teaching comes naturally - one either CAN do it, or CAN NOT. Qualifications on paper means absolutely nothing to me personally. I've had my 3 children in different classes. Some people with all the needed papers and so-called qualifications just did such a bad job, the children (the whole class, not only mine!) just failed everything, and I've also had children in classes where some teachers did not have many or any "papers", but they did an excellent job. I agree however that a lot of teachers are just teaching because of their political status - some really don't have any idea of what they are doing.

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