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Govt corruption: R30bn could be lost - SIU

2011-10-12 22:46

Cape Town - The head of both the special investigating unit and the asset forfeiture unit said on Wednesday the country could lose as much as 20% of its total procurement budget to graft annually, in response to a question about the extent of government corruption in South Africa.

"I think that may not be an unrealistic estimate," Willie Hofmeyr told Parliament's justice committee, adding that it translated to between R25bn and R30bn.

The SIU was currently investigating 558 procurement contracts to the value of R1.9bn and 360 cases of conflict of interest where R3.4bn was involved.

Hofmeyr said the fight against corruption was hindered by a shortage of investigators and the low rate of criminal convictions of officials found with their fingers in the till.

"We should have 7 000 people whose job it is to investigate corruption and I think we have 700.

"Our policies are pretty good but if there are not consequences for breaching them... a culture of impunity spreads pretty quickly."

Hofmeyr welcomed the cancellation of the flawed lease contracts with Roux Shabangu for new police headquarters but went on to highlight further problems in the police and public works departments.

"From the kind of things we have found the SAPS leases are not an uncommon practice elsewhere."

SIU investigations have shown that public works paid at least R35m to entities where staff held undeclared interests and were investigating irregularities to the tune of R330mlinked to the building and renovation of 33 police stations.

However, he said, the worst leeching of taxpayers' money was not happening at national level.

"Local government is where the problems are the worst and where oversight mechanisms are the least."

Asked about the implications of the Constitutional Court judgment in the Glenister case, Hofmeyr said if a central anti-corruption agency were created he would like the SIU to be part of it and believed the Hawks also had a central role to play.

"There isn't really a centre from which government's anti-corruption efforts are driven. I think there is a bit of a gap there. The Glennister judgment is an urgent issue that needs to be resolved soon," he said.

"If there is a new corruption unit set up we would like very much to be part of it."

The court found that the legislation that created the Hawks did not give the unit enough independence and gave Parliament 18 months to amend it.

Funding trouble

The special investigating unit ran into severe funding trouble this year when Eskom established that legally it may not be paid by state entities that solicit its help, MPs heard.

He told the justice committee the corruption-busting entity had expected to earn R240m from such agreements but instead had to turn to Treasury to tide it over.

"We are getting an additional R97m from Treasury this year," he told MPs.

Hofmeyr said the SIU was alerted to the problem by Eskom in June after the electricity utility had asked it to probe "corporate governance issues", notably persistent problems surrounding its coal supply contracts.

He said the SIU obtained two legal opinions which confirmed that provided by Eskom, upsetting a 7-year-old practice that had seen it accepted remuneration from a range of state entities.

"We got our own legal opinion at the end of June and then a second opinion that confirmed it and accepted we have got a problem," he said.

"Basically, we are not allowed to charge departments for our services. Everybody was a bit blind-sided by this issue."

Hofmeyr mentioned the matter in a briefing on the SIU's annual report.

He said the unit had not wanted to make it public until it was confident of finding both long and short term solutions because it did not want its staff to fear for their jobs, he said.

An amendment to the SIU Act that would make such payments legitimate is in the pipeline, Hofmeyr said. At present, the legislation is silent on the issue.

Comments
  • gatvol4corru - 2011-10-12 22:53

    F*kin ANC thieves! Corrupt and incompetent! Jacob prefers to travel with the bloated extended family,instead of leading! IDIOTS! Corruption & dictators -- story of AFrica

      Sonskyn007 - 2011-10-12 23:27

      You sound gatvol!

      AirAction - 2011-10-13 05:55

      Corruption starts at the top The whole of Africa is rife with corruption. and why do people still vote ANC .?

      Ozymandios - 2011-10-13 05:59

      No wonder the ANC Rollercoaster/ Graveytrain is after Hofmeyer seeking some format to shut him up with or get rid of him. Its the same for the Info bill they want to impinge on us all. Some 40m people will go along with it because they are just sheeple and can be easily misled and a few, who see the folly of such a Bill will be silenced, purely because of numbers out there. A sad case for such a great country.We can throw our hands up in despair and quit or we keep voicing our disapproval and fight it.Smaller numbers of people throughout history have succeeded when deciding to kick agaisnt the status quo of a government. There is a sense of awareness sticking its head out amongst the masses but it ain't happening fast enough.

      BUGATTI - 2011-10-13 06:46

      much of this is in Malema's pockets

      patch - 2011-10-13 07:06

      While this is completely unacceptable, and symptomatic of the level of incompetence at the highest levels of government, let's not be naive here: this happened under the nats, without a doubt. There was just nobody to report it. That doesn't excuse it today, and I think the scale of what we're looking at here dwarfs what the nats were capable of. I fear it's simply a matter of time until the likes of Madonsela and Hofmeyer are sidelined. Lord knows they (ANC) has tried already...

      letsee - 2011-10-13 07:44

      Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted?

      GeeBee - 2011-10-13 07:48

      And guess how they are going to recoup this!! Up with the taxes the priviliged few are paying, up with tax on fuel up with toll roads levies, but not for "public transport including taxis". I say everybody in South Africa that has a job should be taxed. If you earn R100 or R 100 000. Do the calculations if everybody gets taxed say 10% only. The figure comes to billions. Only problem is this would also be spent by these idiots for self gain

      York Hunt - 2011-10-13 07:50

      Right now the TRUTH is suppressed. But history will show that ANC was the worst thing to happen to South Africa...

      Wizard101 - 2011-10-13 07:55

      The CancER is sucking the pond dry!!!!

      karlkat - 2011-10-13 07:56

      @ AirAction They vote ANC because it's a culture to be corrupt and to enrich themselves. Even the people who are suppose to audit goverment departments are corrupt. It is a now win situation unless the ANC is removed from goverment

      cliffarc - 2011-10-13 08:15

      - @ patch - the difference between the two, is that under the Nats infrastructure, education and health etc. never suffered as a result. Any corruption then was limited to a few at the top - with the Anc it goes all the way through, right down to rank and file govt. workers.

      Kevin - 2011-10-13 08:27

      Problem is that Hofmeyer has no moral authority. I recently had cause to advise a client in terms of an AFU seizure order. The order was obtained by Hofmeyer's staff on the basis of a perjured affidavit, the perjury was so apparent that any reasonably competent individual should have realised it. My client was almost ruined and lost in excess of R1m as a result of the AFU's action.

      cliffarc - 2011-10-13 08:39

      - The absence of any comments from the Anc trolls is telling. Kolobe, pulyatonki, sganya,farmworker, tshepo - have all gone missing in action.

      IC1 - 2011-10-13 09:44

      @York Hunt: Check out Ms. Ann on You Tube and see what that BLACK Pastor has to say about them

      Tigra - 2011-10-13 09:53

      Let's put it into perspective - R25 000 000 000(let's take the lower loss amount) / 5 000 000 (approximate amount of tax payers) = R5000 stolen per tax payer. It's a bit of an oversimplification but still a shocking amount...

      Morarius - 2011-10-13 10:04

      If you work for Government and you are quilty of corruption, You should be charged with treason.

      Waheed - 2011-10-13 10:32

      I hope that whoever succeeds the ANC in running SA one day won't use the excuse "Blame the ANC" as a scapegoat for future incompetencies. Because I know what the ANC will be saying in response to this..."Blame Apartheid"! Incompetent c*nts!!!

      UkNowHowWeDo - 2011-10-13 12:44

      Act like the Chinese people in this country and vendor strictly with cash only to avoid tax! haha... Thats how they blow us away at all the auctions... serious... !

      ratex - 2011-10-13 13:35

      Unless I am mistaken here, this ammount is greater than the loan we acquired to finance the Eksdom upgrade? So in theory, the cANCer have cost the country an electricity upgrade without any of us tax payers having to foot the bill? No methinks that this additional revenue for eletricity will become another cANCer revenue stream to fill their coffers? MMhhh. My next theory is this, the cANCer will NEVER relinquish power, never. Even if they had a 100% loss, there would be a bloody war before they are ousted. Hand in hand with this is, the first thing a new goverment would do is what? Investigate the previous goverment and arrest, shoot, send to prison all corrupt officials from the previous regime, hence point 1, they will never step down regardless of what happens. The only way to stop this is to stop paying for non delivery. We need to do something or else anarchy will start

  • Bok Fan - 2011-10-12 22:58

    Its simple - avoid paying your taxes!

      Craigr - 2011-10-12 23:16

      Wish we could, but us common folk would spend a few years in jail with "Babba" for tax evasion. :(

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-10-13 08:23

      What SLAYS ME, is the FACT that this is ACCEPTABLE.... No one in Govt bats an eye.... No one in Govt, gives a SH!T.... No one i Govt, gets FINGERED..... Only one that gets SHAFTED... is the TAX PAYER.... Pretty soon those TAX PAYERS are going to be on the "ENDANGERED" List, like the Black Rhino's...then who will be "LINING" GOVT'S POCKETS????

      WCD - 2011-10-13 08:23

      We should not be scared by threats, they can not imprison all the tax payers, without revolt we will keep on paying and paying and paying ...

      Gerhard - 2011-10-13 09:46

      Tell me how to avoid paying tax and I'll do it?

      resiststance - 2011-10-13 10:15

      How do you avoid paying your taxes when it comes straight out of your salary before you receive it? Unless you can convince your employer not to pay, but good luck with that...

  • Clif Evans - 2011-10-12 23:01

    Wow. I thought that kind of thing only happens in Africa!

      cameronrh1 - 2011-10-13 01:10

      We are in africa lol...

      Evan - 2011-10-13 08:17

      LOL

  • R.Suppards - 2011-10-12 23:12

    The ANC should hold their next conference inside a giant bag of kraal manure, the honest ones need not enter. Bet 90% get into the bag. ANC CREDO: ME FIRST, RELATIVES SECOND, ANC THIRD, RSA, Sorry the money is gone!!!

  • White_Rhino - 2011-10-13 00:12

    The cost of corruption is four-fold: political, economic, social, and environmental. On the political front, corruption constitutes a major obstacle to democracy and the rule of law. In a democratic system, offices and institutions lose their legitimacy when they are misused for private advantage. Though this is harmful in the established democracies, it is even more so in newly emerging ones. Accountable political leadership can not develop in a corrupt climate. Economically, corruption leads to the depletion of national wealth. It is often responsible for the funnelling of scarce public resources to uneconomic high-profile projects, such as dams, power plants, pipelines and refineries, at the expense of less spectacular but fundamental infrastructure projects such as schools, hospitals and roads, or the supply of power and water to rural areas. Furthermore, it hinders the development of fair market structures and distorts competition, thereby deterring investment. The effect of corruption on the social fabric of society is the most damaging of all. It undermines people's trust in the political system, in its institutions and its leadership. Frustration and general apathy among a disillusioned public result in a weak civil society. That in turn clears the way for despots as well as democratically elected yet unscrupulous leaders to turn national assets into personal wealth.

      cliffarc - 2011-10-13 08:22

      - Pretty well sums it up.

      DW - 2011-10-13 08:57

      It doesnt help that the ANC provincial premiers made a national decision 5 years ago to turn mass fraud (55 000 people in the civil service who had fraudulently claimed social grants) into interest free loans. If there are no criminal repercussions for mass theft and fraud, how do you expect anyone to take our government seriously. If they do not even have enough people to police fraud, how are they going to police the repayment of these "loans"? So effectively they get away with it and WILL do it again. http://www.iol.co.za/dailynews/news/scopa-to-challenge-grants-fraud-decision-1.1155554 This is what you get when you employ incompetent BEE candidates. Not only do they think they have a right to help themselves to funds meant for the poor, but without competent people ensuring the implementation of the correct controls, this will simply continue. Just give the jobs to unqualified people who do not even have the most basic of skills (except to know how to steal from the system). After all, the most important criteria in any civil service job is to fill the BEE quotas. Service delivery, competence, ethics and morals, qualifications - none of these are important.

  • White_Rhino - 2011-10-13 00:31

    Its officially time to rid our lovely country of this anc virus !!!

      tripwire - 2011-10-13 10:46

      This will never happen as the ANC makes promises and keeps on with the Apartheid coming back threat ! Best we can hope for is a ANC split to help with Voting

  • herman.brummer - 2011-10-13 01:28

    yep, all agreed with all, they are a bunch of useless, corrupt ass#$"#$

  • DFSS - 2011-10-13 02:22

    Is ek reg , dat daar van elke Suid Afrikaner R1 000 gesteel is, self al word die geld vir die armes gewys sal hulle nog steeds volgende keer vir dieselfde diewe stem?

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-10-13 03:55

    Where are our government cadres now???? Too busy stealing to report comments. Blame the whites for this one. Until we have the chance to vote out the ANC nothing will cahnge

  • jerry - 2011-10-13 04:02

    So Zuma,on your job creation issue again,stealing less=more jobs created

  • michaelp1 - 2011-10-13 04:45

    Time to STOP paying taxes?????

  • Intellectual - 2011-10-13 05:19

    Our Youth are seriously suffering...no employment and some ANC stupid uneducated punk is stealing their money...these shall come to an end...nothing is forever and change is permanent.The youth that liberated the people from apartheid, the new generation youth shall liberate this country from these thieves!!!!

      Witbooi - 2011-10-13 05:50

      Agreed - but when the same youth support the likes of Malema and go jolling with the NYDA and support the likes of Zuma and co - it could be argued that they bring this on themselves. As for liberation - well thats a bit of a stuck record - we were liberated from PW Botha - then from Mbheki - now we want to be liberated from Zuma - no just sounds like a stck record....

  • kingkong - 2011-10-13 05:23

    the rot starts on top and will filter down eventually african national corruptors

  • Hansieslim - 2011-10-13 05:46

    I am more convinced than ever that we are living in an idiocracy rather than a democracy.

      MarcusMagnus - 2011-10-13 06:51

      it is a cleptocracy ANC cleptomaniacs

  • so mouse - 2011-10-13 05:57

    Show the voters how their money is pissed away. And now they try to justify it with white tax?

  • 106SA - 2011-10-13 06:07

    Try and explain this to those who keep on voting year in...and year out for the ANC!! If this wholesale theft was measured as an industry(which is what black politicians aspire to by the way),then it would be one of the biggest business in SA......

      allie - 2011-10-13 07:29

      60% of the voters couldn`t care two sheits, because they have never paid any taxes and this is not going to change.There will have to be another way than voting to change this crap situation.Maybe privatly sponsored investigators.Are you willing to donate?

      106SA - 2011-10-13 08:19

      Always willing to find solutions...and in SA the private sector and private money IS the ONLY solution to all the ANC woes

  • ChumScrubber - 2011-10-13 06:11

    One would normally comment to such a story with "UNBELIEVABLE!!"". But from what I think most of us experience when dealing with the current regime, the comment has to be "BELIEVABLE!!" What a sad state of affairs, as Patricia de Lille once said, its not just corruption, its grand scale theft. Imagine if the money had been spent on uplifting the previously disadvantaged - there would by now be very few homeless people, our state hospitals would be ok, our sewage would not be flowing into our rivers. The ANC should hang its head in shame.

  • Honestly - 2011-10-13 06:17

    It's the African way. They are a curse to humankind

      emile.marais - 2011-10-13 13:56

      And Humankind are a curse to every other living creature on this planet.

  • Johnfpro - 2011-10-13 06:22

    @AirAction The reason that they still vote for the ANC is that the majority of the sheeple live in rural areas, are illiterate and never hear of these corrupt deeds

      Lone Ranger - 2011-10-13 08:04

      Note to DA - an ongoing information campaign to bring this kind of information to the masses in the rural areas should be high on the priority list. Equate the value of what was proved to have been stolen in their constituency to benefits lost so they can see how corruption affects them directly. They will only change their minds to vote for someone else once they see how much they could have benefitted but didn't.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-10-13 06:29

    The spoils of the struggle!

  • Proudly SA - 2011-10-13 06:32

    Willie Hofmeyr is exceptionally clever and very sharp; not much will get away from him. He is a real thorn in governments side (just like Willem Heath) and they will do anything to put dirt on him and get him out of the way; am sure political appointees of Simelane, Cele, Schaik, Chief justice etc have removal of Hofmeyr as a priority for their bonus payments for this year.

  • klippers - 2011-10-13 06:36

    If we pay 7000 investigator R 1 000 000 salary each, to root our corruption, we still save R 23 billion. ffs Get this done

  • klippers - 2011-10-13 06:38

    If you pay the 7000 needed investigators R 1 miljoen slaries, we still save R 23 biljoen. ffs Get this sorted.

  • Mkushi - 2011-10-13 06:59

    Its time government put their mouth where it should be, and advertise for a full 7000 staff, employ the best, this will surely aid the current unemployment problem. It should also take note, that they now have been reminded through this Parliament Justice Committee of the overall problem of corruption and its effects on the taxpayer base. It really is setting itself up for mass action claim.

      Bloodstone - 2011-10-13 07:48

      Noble thought mate, but do you seriously think that that bunch of thieves will give their blessing to employ 7000 investigators to derail their own gravy train? Never!

      Big Al - 2011-10-13 11:07

      And just where will you find 7000 honest BEE candidates?

  • Fotre - 2011-10-13 07:01

    Disgusting!

  • Kevin - 2011-10-13 07:02

    I think the corruption unit should focus on municipalities and government contracts. Almost every deal has a long story and an out stretched hand.

  • warshrike - 2011-10-13 07:09

    Absolutely sickening. What else is there to say. No thinking, just take, take, take, steal... there's lots of money afterall- right? What a pathetic government - mindset - approach to life. How sick to keep voting for the imbeciles, thieves. We keep paying taxes and lining their pockets... Do we need a new revolution in SA? Freedom fighters against tyranny...murderous _unts. A bit of a rant I know but FGS, why does one have to live like this? Will it ever change or is it the African way?

  • Sledgedarkwatch - 2011-10-13 07:12

    This is only the tip of the Iceberg - Zuma is the most useless "President" this country has ever seen. But if he is voted out just another JACK with deep pockets will take his place. The ANC will run this country to the ground & once there they will blame anybody but themselves. I truly & honestly hate the ANC because they are taking the food from mine & your tables. We as ordinary SA citzens can pi$$ & scream as much as we like, but at the end of the day it will help Jack $HIT cause we have NO voice in this country.

  • daaivark - 2011-10-13 07:39

    What one must never lose sight of, though, is that every corrupt official exists BECAUSE people resort to attempts at corruption so easily. Officials who take bribes are bribed by?????? the public and big business. SO let's not get too high and mighty, oh citizens of South Africa. The public are as much to blame for corruption as those benefitting.

      one-way - 2011-10-13 08:15

      @Daaivark you are mentioning the one thing that everyone is overlooking.

      Onestone - 2011-10-13 08:19

      @ varkie.... not all has moeny to bribe and 99% the officials ask to be bribed....stick to this tax money and not people's money..... lees weer die storie.....

      Alan - 2011-10-13 08:29

      I have to agree - We ALL need to BE the change we want to see - don't b*itch about corruption if you are part of it. It is only by acting in a decent way ourselves that we can change mindsets. Only if our consciences are clear, do we have the moral right to stand up against corruption. I vote we all follow the LEAD SA example.

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 10:50

      Onestone. Ek lees heel goed dankie. En ek kan nogal ook dink. Sjoe. one-way: It is so patently obvious. Corruption cannot exist in a vacuum. It is necessarily a two-way street. One needs both a corruptor and corruptee for it to exist. Alas, many of us find it easier to slip a blue note into someone's hand than to report the matter or do anything about it. And then of course one can have all the fun of criticising corrupt officials. Onestone again: If an official solicits a bribe, report him/her. The mechanism exists. Use it. Take the trouble, rather than simply to pay and then blather on about corruption.

      Viparo - 2011-10-13 11:25

      Daaivark, I completely disagree. There shouldn't be an environment where bribery could take place. It's human nature to take the easy way out, so if you could get away with a R 100 bribe instead of a R 1 000 fine. 99% of people would take the bribe option. Those in positions of authority should be unbribable.

      York Hunt - 2011-10-13 12:23

      One word to describe ThatPig (Comment Sniper): "Cantankerous"

  • Actualizer - 2011-10-13 07:40

    Simple: A law must be voted in which lessens the tax the government may collect in the next tax year by the exact amount which was stolen/lost/etc.

  • errol.wagner - 2011-10-13 07:42

    THE MINISTER OF HEALTH CALLED THE PRIVATE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND MONSTER, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE HAVE MANY MONSTERS, TERRIBLE MONSTERS IN OUR GOVERNMENT, WHO STEAL TAX PAYERS MONEY 'ON A DAILY BASIS' [TO USE THE TERMS OUR POLITICIANS LIKE TO USE].

      Kent007 - 2011-10-13 12:14

      Brutal Brutal not monster

  • letsee - 2011-10-13 07:45

    Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted? Is that why he is being investigted?

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 07:48

      Who, letsee? Who, letsee?

  • Sammy - 2011-10-13 07:46

    Now they are really going to try and get rid of Hofmeyer after the half- arsed attempt previously.There will be denials and excuses as we so often hear about the money and all the commission reports,audits court cases will be shelved as usual.We are in a sad situation in this country and the ruling party are past-masters of covering up or ignoring maladministration ,corruption, theft,laziness, inefficiency and so forth,the list is endless,the only efficient thing about them is the propaganda machine.

  • WCD - 2011-10-13 07:47

    Well done Hofmeyer, I support you on this matter, if there were more politicians like yourself, not like the spineless snails hanging around for a free handout. Fight this corrupt regime

  • lilo69 - 2011-10-13 07:49

    The token white's got a voice....

  • Boxxer - 2011-10-13 07:49

    Makes the implementation of the Information Bill so obvious now. Dumb criminals!

  • Shorts1 - 2011-10-13 07:52

    Unfortunately until we have the situation where the guy at the top is, and is seen to be, unquestionably ethical in every respect and leads by example, with a firm hand so as to deal openly & effectively against those in government, at all levels, who illegally abuse the status & power of their positions in their own self indulgent interests, and that of their extended families, nothing much is likely to change for the better. The existence of the SIU in its present format is nothing more than a toothless pretence that government actually cares about public sector corruption.

  • theprodigy - 2011-10-13 07:53

    dear poor, hungry, black people living in shacks, this is where all the money is going, to thieving corrupts ANC crooks, R 30 000 000 000 000 stolen by the people that you voted for, what could that have done for housing, education, job creation, & you fools keep on voting for this bunch of corrupt thugs, WAKE UP & SMELL THE COFFEE.

  • Bloodstone - 2011-10-13 07:58

    I wonder where all the idiots like Sganja, Poliodonkey and the rest are? No comment on their thieving chiefs? C'mon guys, come and vent your anger at all these imperialists that dare to insult your fat chiefs in parliament!

  • Jamie - 2011-10-13 08:04

    The System requires a change. The checks and balances, which prevented most of this type of thing happening in the past, were based on a different cultural and moral background of the incumbents. Now this has changed, so the system for controlling it needs to adapt too. Otherwise abuse will just continue.

  • Bemused - 2011-10-13 08:04

    And all the rants/suggestions and comments over here will have not one iota of effect. So as much as corruption is brought to the news rooms and the internet, nothing will happen, be done or change. Unless someone can get the people of SA to join together to change the governments actions. Will that happen. Maybe in a 100 years but I doubt any time in the near future. So, learn to live with it or leave.

  • Corne - 2011-10-13 08:17

    SA is turning into a new Nigeria!!!! What is it with Africans and corruption?. Its hard to belive how people can still vote ANC after the showed on every level they are incompetent and corropt. Please support for a better cause http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vry-Afrikaner/117810254928247 Self governance is the only way

  • Alan - 2011-10-13 08:20

    Well exactly - there are no consequences for looting the till if you have political connections. The ANC fails to clamp down on corruption, because they have the biggest percentage of corrupt leaders. All we can do that is effective, is to vote them out, and vote for cleaner governance. These people are supposed to be our servants, dictating policies which is to the betterment of the population. Instead we have greedy corrupt Muppets who are only interested in the own ego's and self enrichment. Black or white - wake up people - these guys have alrady emptied the piggy banks, they cannot deliver on their promises, and to stay in power they now have to try to go the Zim route by shutting up the press who expose their corruption and criticise thier imooral behaviour.

  • J - 2011-10-13 08:21

    And the recent article regarding the "Ibrahim Index" which gave SA high points in public administration???!!! For excelling in corruption I guess .......

  • Onestone - 2011-10-13 08:22

    POlio Plankie..... why so quiet now......??? dont u just love not getting any of this gravy..... mmmm..... saee what you voted for..... lekker neh.... LEKKER K@k JA!

  • letsee - 2011-10-13 08:24

    Mr. Malema please take note, the ANC appointments are worse than imperialists. Mr. Malema please take note, the ANC appointments are worse than imperialists. Mr. Malema please take note, the ANC appointments are worse than imperialists. Mr. Malema please take note, the ANC appointments are worse than imperialists.

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 10:53

      Stammering a little today, letsee? Jacques: Some of us stay for what we would like to see SA become. You are free to leave, of course.

  • jacques - 2011-10-13 08:26

    We have the figures, yet most South Africans are still positive about this country. Are they stupid or just naive? If this cANCer carries on, what will happen to our children after we have gone?

  • baudtin1 - 2011-10-13 08:29

    Thomas Jefferson: "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

  • Stryder - 2011-10-13 08:37

    Yeah, but whites are the reason for lack of economic freedom. Shoot the Cadres. By Cadres I mean the system of corruption.

  • Antwahn - 2011-10-13 08:38

    I think this figure is conservative. Hofmyer is a bit optimistic how his maaifoedie boeties steal SA blind. Anyway, add another 30 bn that disappears through misspending, clueless management, "legal" self-enrichment and crony-enrichment, and we have a rough idea what the maaifoedie govt / ANC costs the country. And that does not even address the loss of opportunities through scandalous administration of education and business-hostile legislation. There's no end to the devastation the maaifoedie govt / ANC heaps on SA.