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Govt has failed, not Constitution - DA

2012-03-14 12:00

Johannesburg - It is government that has failed, not the Constitution, said Lindiwe Mazibuko, DA parliamentary leader, according to a report on Wednesday.

Speaking during a parliamentary debate about Human Rights Day on Tuesday, she said the "second transition" of the Constitution currently being touted by the ruling ANC was only a smoke screen to cover up poor service delivery.

"What we have today is a progressive Constitution that is becoming a barrier for the increasingly weakening government.

"It is a commonly accepted fact that poor politicians worldwide, who face a drop in support, are eager to tweak their constitutions," Mazibuko reportedly said.

ANC MP John Jeffery argued there was nothing sinister about the ANC's wish to change the Constitution.

He said all data about the differences in prosperity levels between South African population groups pointed to the fact that there were many problems that still had to be rectified.

These wide-ranging issues included everything from infant mortality rates to education results and unemployment statistics.

He said the 17th constitutional amendment, currently tabled before Parliament, was aimed at increasing the powers of the Constitutional Court, rather than curbing them.

Comments
  • Gigo - 2012-03-14 12:08

    Rooibos for me, 5 Roses for my friend and some biscuits please...

      Tony Lapson - 2012-03-14 12:10

      Incapable of getting your own tea? Lazy people these days.

      Garth - 2012-03-14 12:26

      Isn't it amazing how one young, black lady scares the bejesus out of the useless, worthless anc and their ignorant supporters?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-14 12:29

      @Sganja, one of the items to be change in the Constitution is land ownership. Now currently the Constitution does not allow for land grabs like Zimbabwe and applies to willing seller willing buyer which the government has failed dismally. So the next step is to change to Constitution to allow for what was initially unconstitutional... That is what the fuss is about, it is the changing of what is initially unconstitutional to suit the failures of the ruling party..

      pws69 - 2012-03-14 12:31

      Tell your mother I'll have the same as well please. Glad to see you still have a modicum of respect for your elders as you did say please.

      Gigo - 2012-03-14 12:42

      Anc is not a failure but only people like you can view it as a failure without recognizing what it has done for majority of people.

      Gigo - 2012-03-14 12:50

      Is changing is reviewing constitutional court undemocratic?

      John - 2012-03-14 12:50

      There is nothing wrong with the 1st constitution except the ANC have abused it. The ANC top brass have enriched themselves, abused public funds, lived the high life and spent all their energy on fighting amongst themselves. Corruption, theft & tender fraud has become institutionalised & cost the country billions. "but most criminal of all has been the neglect of our education system, killing the dreams of millions of young black people of a decent life they had hoped for so much". Sganja take your head out of the sand.

      gbbfg - 2012-03-14 12:54

      Sganja: "Anc is not a failure but only people like you can view it as a failure without recognizing what it has done for majority of people." Unbelieveable. What exactly has the ANC done for the majority of people Sganja? Given you freedom? Rubbish! That wasn't a decision made by the ANC. It was made by the previous regime. The ANC itself has done NOTHING for the people since taking over except steal from them, neglect the country's infrastructure and make SA an embarassment. If you refer to the ANC's constant struggle for freedom before 1994, then yes, good. But that ANC is not today's ANC. You people need to stop living in the past. Today's ANC is absolutely not what the great ANC leaders of the past had in mind. It's like all ANC supporters have no sense of tomorrow. They only think of yesterday and today. And themselves.

      Gigo - 2012-03-14 12:58

      @gbbfg Yes I won't be surprised by your statement you only concentrate on the side that suits you, what about gender equality, what about millions of South Africans who previously didn't have basic needs such as water;electricity etc. Anc has brought many things in this country post apartheid.

      henry.hattingh - 2012-03-14 13:09

      This is the reason why people refer to ANC supporters as sheep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yp4vHPGJqk

      Eric - 2012-03-14 13:10

      @Sganja. Try getting rid of that racist poison in your head and engage with the actual issues - then you might say something sensible

      Jacqui - 2012-03-14 13:16

      Sganja, you are not funny. In other words a black young lady is only good enough to fetch tea in your way of thinking. In some circles that would be called racist. In others plain stupid.

      Tony - 2012-03-14 13:20

      This guys comment shows where the failure started from. The gene pool is pretty shallow it seems!

      Jeffrey - 2012-03-14 13:49

      Keep on voting the ANC into power and the only people who will be able to afford the biscuits will be the Cabinet ministers. The rest of the population will be scavenging the rubbish dumps for used tea bags.

      Martin - 2012-03-14 14:00

      i do not mean this in the terms of homosexuality or to offend gay people.....the anc is gay, not as a group but individually

      Nigel - 2012-03-14 14:30

      @henry....ROTFLUTS, LMAO that is hilarious, sums up ANC supporters PERFECTLY !! @ Sganja make the effort to see Henry's link, I don't expect you to understand the similarity between the sheep & you, but maybe you figure it out.

      ulvenkai - 2012-03-14 14:32

      @Sganja -- The ANC has only ever done "enough" to keep the majority vote. Never more, never exemplary, never good. Always just "enough" to secure a win. That is why they are failing, why our poor still lack a proper education, why 16-years later basic services still haven't made their way to some communities and why our country is falling apart at the seams. You might be happy with "enough" but many aren't. We demand first-world services, that basic needs be met and that the ANC meet and exceed expectations instead of trying to change one of the world's most progressive, prestigious and valued constitutions to get away with corruption, cronyism and deceit.

      James - 2012-03-14 15:50

      @tony, its more a case of his gene pool requires a dash more hth

      Eduard - 2012-03-15 07:00

      @ Sganja Ok smart person, what has the ANC done for the people the last 5years?

      Daan - 2012-03-15 12:45

      Sganja, all over the world you will find differences between the earning potential of people in any given country. Nothing that people like you and your cANCer(ous) so-called government have done for the people of this country in the past 18 years, comes close to what was achieved by the Nats. Even against all the sanctions imposed by the whole world against us, you and your merry men never went hungry. Now, with all the thieving, two-faced, lying thugs in the cANCer, being more obsessed with staying in power than providing a decent framework for sustained development in SA, I have no hope for the future. The only glimmer of hope is for the brainwashed electoral zombies to get rid of this cANCer. Otherwise, start teaching your stomach to get used to dirt and rocks for food.

      Mehluli - 2012-03-17 21:27

      The boss wants to run the country via the courts not through ballot box,you see the boss is a dictator but does not want to admit that he is undemocratic.The boss prefare the current constitution as it protects him.You see the boss is very clever he makes noise if the situation does not favour him for everyone to be sympathetic to him thats clever.

      Willie - 2012-03-29 19:52

      Have we read and commenting on the same article or are some missing the focus and argument being presented?

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-03-14 12:09

    Nothing but the facts.

  • Tanie - 2012-03-14 12:11

    This is what happens when you allow foreigners to do as they wish in your country. Lindiwe is needed more in Swaziland to tackle Muswati and swazi problems in general.

      HiJack - 2012-03-14 12:20

      What's up with the fake accounts? So are you Oom Kriel or Tanie Marikie with a bunch of black friends?

      Tanie - 2012-03-14 12:32

      I am not racist low-jack.I am friends with who ever I want and certainly not you.NEVER.

      Antipoaching - 2012-03-14 12:32

      @HiJack Lol!!! Ooom Kriel/Tannie Markie with the "complicated" relationship status..... could explain the type of comments posted by this faker

      pws69 - 2012-03-14 12:34

      I thought Africa was for Africans, and that borders were a western concept. I wish you would make up your minds. ANC supporters - completely dishonest and clueless.

      HiJack - 2012-03-14 12:43

      Did I call you racist? A little quick with the "racist" trigger finger?

      Tony - 2012-03-14 13:32

      Gene pool, gene puddle.....

      Francois - 2012-03-14 17:41

      Antipoaching, do you perhaps think that Oom Kriel and Malema should actually meet to discuss Human Rights' day and the rest of us can talk about the failure of government or at least Rotty Rights Day over a glass of Pinotage and celebrate the fact that someone at least is looking out for our Constitution. What is the sense of discussing Human Rights' Day in Parliament when the future of the country youth and their rights are flushed down the drain under the name of a "Democratic" teacher's union? What weighs heavier, the right of a child to a future of the right of a teacher to strike for tolls exemption or the right of a teacher to strike against labour brokers whilst there is precious little labour broking in education? There are however a lot of broken futures.

  • Ricki - 2012-03-14 12:11

    Why not just focus on upgrading healthcare facilities, use an effective education system and have extremely hefty sentences for government corruption. Curbing corruption would save 300 million rand per year (last year's figures) freeing up a lot of money to spend on the poor and on infrastucture development. There is no need to change the constitution for that. Clearly the ANC is trying to reduce the already limited accountability that they face.

  • HiJack - 2012-03-14 12:18

    ..and who's to blame for the low mortality rate at STATE hospitals, who's to blame for poor results at STATE schools, who's to blame for poor employment stats? GOVERNMENT, they are tasked with all those, not the constitution.

      Leon Curling-Hope - 2012-03-14 12:24

      Totally! You hit the nail on the head!

      pws69 - 2012-03-14 12:33

      exactly. The change is required to hide ANC incompetence.

      Carry - 2012-03-14 13:46

      HIJACK .... IT SEEMS THAT NOBODY HAS TOLD THIS GOVERNMENT THAT THEY ARE TASKED TO HANDLE ANYTHING IN THIS COUNTRY - ESPECIALLY HOSPITALS, ETC. THE TOLL ROADS IS A BRILLIANT EXAMPLE OF THIS. ALL TAX MONIES COLLECTED IT SEEMS, IS FOR THE PERSONAL GRATIFICATION OF THOSE IN GOVERNMENT, THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMILIES.

  • djmain1 - 2012-03-14 12:19

    Telling it like it is. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!

  • Gareth - 2012-03-14 12:30

    Why would the ANC want to educate its voting masses? If they were educated they'd stop voting for the ANC.

      Cameron - 2012-03-14 13:01

      the educated know this to be true Gareth. They the uneducated know not what they do.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-03-14 13:29

      You are also forgetting the EDUCATED anc diehards who attend universities, drive around in audis and mini coopers laden with ANC stickers, and simply won't listen to any facts or criticism.

  • Marion - 2012-03-14 12:38

    "It is a commonly accepted fact that poor politicians worldwide, who face a drop in support, are eager to tweak their constitutions," Mazibuko reportedly said."

  • Phumi - 2012-03-14 12:38

    How I long for the days of Athol Trollip to bring back some spark into the opposition life in this country! The opposition in this country has been reduced to kindergarded politics 101. Mazibuko is turning the DA into a laughing stock day in day out with arguments without substance. Please if needs be can the DA bring Mr. Fourie from Afriforum to parliament maybe with him we can have a proper engagement!

      HiJack - 2012-03-14 12:46

      Where exactly was she missing substance?

      gbbfg - 2012-03-14 12:58

      Phumi you mean the type with shouting, name calling, infantile behaviour and threats, theft, corruption, incompetence and utter stupidity? Don't worry, one day when you grow up you'll realise how wrong you were. And you'll be ashamed.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-14 13:20

      Phumi, we can at least understand her when she speaks. The DA a laughing stock, ag, keep dreaming.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-14 15:08

      This Mazibuko lady tries to hard to no significant effects.... What a shame, actually nobody cares what she thinks or says except the former oppressors cud be she's angry, wonder y? Maybe Vavi's rejection of her plan to meet him? Whatever the reason for such an unfounded outburst we don't care....

      An observer - 2012-03-14 23:40

      You are obviously prejudiced aren't you? The "laughing stock" will run the country by 2019.

      Daan - 2012-03-15 12:58

      Phumi, it is a total waste of time to try and get sense into half-asleep sheep on the bandwagon, sitting on fat arses in parliment.

  • Gigo - 2012-03-14 12:44

    Changing constitution is not a fault and previous leaders have done so,when assets need to be transferred to majority of course constitution will be affected, and the revision of Constitutional courts is not a bad move since these courts are used for political agendas.

      HiJack - 2012-03-14 12:49

      The majority can get the assets when they get off theis ASSets and work for it and not lay down next to the street and sleep the whole day.

      Gigo - 2012-03-14 12:54

      Did current owners worked for it, or did the steal it?

      Irene - 2012-03-14 12:59

      Sganja ~ I sure worked for it. I've stolen nothing and the sooner you are able to grasp the concept of work = owning nice things, the better off you'll be. Do you know what work is, let alone hard work?

      Gigo - 2012-03-14 13:04

      Irene I was referring to pre apartheid,definitely I know what work is, however there are things that need to be transferred to people who supposed to own them. Current owners were just caretakers and there is no need to work for your belongings.

      HiJack - 2012-03-14 13:07

      They worked for it. The parts they settled on HAD NO BLACKS in sight. So kiss my starfish ass. If you don't agree then we'll have to look at how YOU stole the land from the San. Hau!

      Jacqui - 2012-03-14 13:23

      Sganja are you saying current owners have stolen what they have?. Shove off, I paid for my house and land. What saddens me is that this kind of ignorance will never go away.

      Marion - 2012-03-14 14:07

      @Sganja - the constitution allows the government to implement all kinds of measures to effect land reform etc., If they had known what they were doing and did it properly we wouldn't be in this mess now.

      Juan - 2012-03-15 01:25

      Sganja the constitution recognises owners rights to their own property. You would like to see the constitution changed in order to transfer the assets to the majority. Yeah that's called theft. Econimic freedom yes, stealing without interference

      Daan - 2012-03-15 13:02

      Sganja. You have a hope in hell if you think I will "transfer" my assets to people who have not EARNED it. What you and your cANCer want to do is LEGALISE THEFT.

  • Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2012-03-14 12:52

    Isn't it amazing how young Hebrew girl supporting Pharaoh at Moses expense?

      Eric - 2012-03-14 13:15

      Oh, please, get with the isues and liberate yourself from the racism!

      Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2012-03-14 13:42

      which racism Eric? because i did that 18 years ago!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-14 15:30

      Hate to break it to you Malizba, you far from it my friend.

  • Richard - 2012-03-14 13:01

    Stop stealing the money and we have no problem. Constitution will not print more money.

  • djmain1 - 2012-03-14 13:09

    They had better change the constitution soon - they won't be able to after the next election. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!

      James - 2012-03-14 16:00

      they can;t change the constitution at the moment without support from others either as they do not hold the 2/3 majority they require. If they did have the majority number they need they wouldn't even have made this public, it wouldh'v just been changed

  • Richard - 2012-03-14 13:10

    @Sganja @gbbfg Yes I won't be surprised by your statement you only concentrate on the side that suits you, what about gender equality, what about millions of South Africans who previously didn't have basic needs such as water;electricity etc. Anc has brought many things in this country post apartheid Idiot talk. People have toilets that are in open air as the contractors appointed did not finish them. Millions and Millions have been stolen and corrupted away. Nothing works anymore and no money to fix. Maybe try using your head to think.

      Daan - 2012-03-15 13:10

      In short, Sganja, Stop standing with your hands together, begging. Get off your lazy arses and start doing something positive to better yourself. Stop begging. From me and millions like me, you will get f-all for free. ps: I did not steal from you. Nothing you had was worth stealing. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Tony - 2012-03-14 13:17

    No, the electorate failed .... The general population voted for Showerkop and juju and these buffoons... AndI bet they do it again next election!

  • Bluecrest - 2012-03-14 13:21

    "It is a commonly accepted fact that poor politicians worldwide, who face a drop in support, are eager to tweak their constitutions," That just smells like Zimbabwe......

  • Trevor - 2012-03-14 13:42

    Talking to ANC supporters is like walking into a brick wall, you know the outcome so why bother, it's a brick. They will NEVER be happy and they will ALWAYS blame the white man for their problems. The ONLY way the ANC can survive now is to change the constitution and implement the secrecy bill, it's the knee jerk reaction of any Dictatorship in trouble. As for racist tools, Sganja, you are definitely on the top of that list....you represent well what the ANC stands for. Goodluck, all I know is, when tax time comes & the Government wants it's share, it's people like you who make it easy for me to show the birdie, not pay tax and invest my money outside SA.

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-14 13:45

      U are assuming tht ANC is purely for Blacks, complete Garbage if u ask me.....

      Nigel - 2012-03-14 14:34

      Isn't that what Malema said, "the ANC is for blacks"....yup this was one of his racist statements, "The ANC is for blacks & the DA is for whites" this he shouted from the stage standing next to Zuma, I don't know of any black ANC person saying that this statement was wrong, do you?

  • Carry - 2012-03-14 13:42

    NOTHING SINISTER ABOUT THE ANC ?........... I BEG TO DIFFER.

  • Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-14 13:44

    Can someone please serve me some tea, it seems my maid is still going wild talking garbage!!!! Me and Madam are in dire need of some tea.... Hehehehehehe!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-14 13:53

      Sitting on your ass expecting handouts again? My car needs a wash, what you sitting there for... ;)

      Malizba Liz Mhlanga - 2012-03-14 14:08

      @richard what is wrong about that...we learnt from the best we learnt from you LOL!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-14 15:31

      Sorry mate, I was working at 11 already earning my own money, buying my own school clothes... Try another poor sod ;)

      James - 2012-03-14 16:03

      speaking of which, i need a gardener, Mtshezi, you seem to have a bit of time on your hands, what do you say? see I've already created work

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-14 16:51

      Hehehehehehe so funny James..... How much u wana pay me?

  • William - 2012-03-14 14:13

    Sganja, what has the ANC done for the majority of the people??? Surely you are not that dumb and naive??? The ANC are a corrupt, highly inefficient organisation bent on in fighting, stealing and lining their own pockets. Please WAKE UP and see the light!!! It is time to stop blaming the legacy of apartheid and holding our leaders to account for service delivery and good governance. Unfortunately the ANC fails HOPELESSLY at both!!!!

      Tony - 2012-03-14 16:43

      100%. Cosatu the ANCYL and the ANC support base wax lyrical about how the ANC policies only benefit the elite. They go on about how the poor are struggling. They blame apartheid for their woes. At what point in their evolution do they relalise that they are the ones who voted for the ANC. They wanted their freedom. Now that they have what they wanted, it's ... Well the list is bit long but here goes - the white man, the imperialist, the settler, the boer, the elite, the third force, the DA, apartheid, the Asians, the Zimbabweans, the Nigerians, the Americans, the Europeans, the economy and history's fault that they are still up the creek? They have their freedom ....they are in control ....but ......

  • Edwhynot - 2012-03-14 14:41

    Wahahahahahaha! Love how right she is, and how f*ck3d the ANC is!!! lolololol!

  • Joe - 2012-03-14 15:25

    ..Why don't more people vote for the D.A.... They really do know how to do things properly...

  • Jacques - 2012-03-14 16:40

    @Sganja... It has always been 1 step forward and 3 steps back with the ANC and then they praise themselves for the one good deed that they did but don’t want you to know about their horrible mistakes. This country could be so much better off without the scum that "run" it. If you have not noticed yet then open your eyes buddy, because if things keep going the way that they are, you and I won’t have a South Africa anymore.

  • Nonkululeko - 2012-03-14 21:50

    I have to say I agree with Mazibuko to a certain extent; it is interesting how government now feels the urge to amend the constitution after it has called for the implementation of laws such as the "Secrecy" Bill. Since even the latter bill is blatantly unconstitutional.

  • Nonkululeko - 2012-03-14 21:53

    On that note, should we be expecting an autocratic state in the future? Given the fact that unconstitutional bills are being promulgated and the constitution is under a transition. Just a point of interest...

  • An observer - 2012-03-14 23:36

    I find it interesting that the ANC is distancing itself from the constitution that it once negotiated to achieve. I have spoken to 2 people who were at Codesa, and they said that the ANC tried then, and successfully later, created the illusion that they had constituted the constitution. At the time they were passionately negotiating for the constitution, but now that it no longer serves their purpose the disavow there own views. Just shows. I agree that the constitution has not failed but the ANC have.

  • Blane - 2012-03-15 06:33

    They want to change the constitution as often as the Italians change their government

  • Stuart - 2012-03-15 06:58

    Could I have some biscuits with my tea, those ones with the jam in the middle?

  • Eduard - 2012-03-15 06:59

    110% correct

  • Stuart - 2012-03-15 07:00

    I can tweet my premier direct and get a response on the problem within hours!! How is that for management!! Our Province works!! Will continue to drink tea with biscuits hopefully for a long time to come.

  • Sika - 2012-03-15 08:48

    heh heh heh the Gov has failed? aren't you part of the Gov Ms?

  • amanda - 2012-03-15 10:12

    Well said Lindiwe - you tell them the truth.

  • Willie - 2012-03-29 19:46

    With respect Mr. Jeffery, the Constitution as is gives the Constitutional Court all the powers needed to protect the citizens of SA against abuse. It may, however not provide enough to those who need cover-up for reasons as poor service delivery, incompetence, self-enrichment and unethical conduct

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