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Grant, Manuel in row over schooling

2012-03-29 08:27

Cape Town - Western Cape education MEC Donald Grant has criticised Planning Minister Trevor Manuel for setting up an education forum in Grabouw, it was reported on Thursday.

According to the Cape Times the forum - set up to improve all schools in the troubled area - had only come to his attention through the media.

"The only 'education problem' we have in the area is one of overcrowding at a specific school," he was quoted as saying.

"If minister Manuel believes... that the setting up of an 'education forum' is a solution to the challenges in education, then the question needs to be asked: how many 'education forums' does the National Planning Commission have in other provinces?"

Manuel told the newspaper he did not need the permission of Grant or any other Democratic Alliance politician to serve his community.

"I have paid a price under apartheid for doing so... [Grant] should hang his head in shame for trying to reduce community service to the silliness of his statement," he said.

The national government's intervention followed violent protests by residents during the last few weeks over schooling.

Comments
  • Andres - 2012-03-29 08:36

    No Manuel, I did not expect this kind of response from you: ""I have paid a price under apartheid for doing so." You're an intelligent man, just give Min. Grant a logical answer, why do you have to read your struggle credentials to support your intervention? This doesn't sound like you, Trevor, that sounds like an utterance Blade Nzimande would make, which makes me want to question your intent and whether it has to do with the upcoming Grabouw by-election?

      Nick - 2012-03-29 08:41

      Well said 'annman' .... well said !

      Mark - 2012-03-29 08:48

      You are an idiot for thinking that Manuel is an intelligent man - he is far from it.

      Andres - 2012-03-29 08:50

      @Mark: I have to give him kudos for his economic brain. Despite what ills the ANC has found themselves in of late, he was a good Min. of Finance. He was even courted for the IMF. Thus, these comments of his leaving me shocked.

      p.borchard - 2012-03-29 08:58

      CRY ME A RIVER "I have paid a price under apartheid..." YAAAAWWWWWNNNN Trevor, get over yourself. If the ANC can't plan (in DA or NON-DA provinces), just acknowledge it and DO SOMETHING CONCRETE ABOUT IT.

      Shaun - 2012-03-29 08:59

      Economic brain??? I doubt it. Manuals the chop that signed off on the arms deal and here again he's just blindly following ANC orders. The guys a sheep.

      Ronald - 2012-03-29 09:01

      Annman, I agree with you, but Trevor's credentials were not always of the best. Many years ago, somewhere in the 1990's, he took part in a discussion regarding the SA economy on a radio show. When an economist that also was on the show stated that the funds available for government was limited, Trevor piped up and said, "Then print more". There was a pregnant silence over the air for many seconds before the economist tried to explain why that could not be done without negatively affecting the economy, but the gist of that was lost to me as all in my car burst out laughing. I must say that Trevor has educated himself since then.

      Mark - 2012-03-29 09:11

      annman - he was certainly not a capable finance minister as anybody who knows anything about finance knows. His remarks about "amorphous markets" sent the ran spiralling down early in his tenure - costing SA consumers and home-owners a fortune. You have to lay blame for the poor state of SA's infrastructure(Eskom , Transnet , Roads) squarely on this idiots shoulders. While Minister of Finance he seriously under invested in infrastructure. The global economy was booming while this clown was minister - he was just lucky. As for him being courted by the IMF - Get real dude that was never the case - their was an African agenda being pushed by Pravin Gordhan and Manuel himself to get the job.

      Devine - 2012-03-29 09:23

      He is not playing by the good-boy-book. He speaks his mind, not what the baas want him to say. He does not need you permission either, if you don't like it you should also go hang.

      Andres - 2012-03-29 09:34

      Ok, ok... I get it, but don't make this about Manuel's credentials, this is about this incident in Grabouw... it's straying far off topic.

      Themba - 2012-03-29 09:35

      you don't have to be intellegent to respond to a MEC who failed to deliver to communities who are blacks and coloured and gives political excuses.Manuel has a right to serve his people like he did during apartheid. You were expecting him to embrace your party boss.

      Eric - 2012-03-29 10:30

      Spot on, annman! The ANC just cannot stand the DA running the only successful province in SA. The ANC is also behind all those service delivery protests in the WC. That's a FACT! Besides, Cleva Treva is being sidelined by the current regime. He is being paid a lot of money to do nothing. So, I guess this is his way of trying to prove his loyalty and regain support?

      Eric - 2012-03-29 10:33

      @ Mark: "The global economy was booming while this clown was minister - he was just lucky. " Correct! Very few people seem to know about this. It's more important for them (the ANC) to lie and claim that they managed the economy better than the previous government. Gee, I can remember when the Rand was worth MORE than the Dollar!

      flysouth - 2012-03-29 12:19

      It has everything to with the upcoming election. Helen Zille herself has stated that there are clear signs of organised activity by the ANC to subvert the elections, through manufactured 'protest' actions and so on in their favour - this is part of that activity I might also remind people that such undermining by the ANC has happened at election times wherever they face opposition - it is their modus operandi and has nothing to do with lawful democratic canvassing of voters etc., but reflects the ANC's pitiful understanding of the democratic process and their total disregard for law whenever it suits their purpose. How did Manuel get the job of Finance Minister? At a meeting of the ANC high-ups the chairman of the meeting said 'We need a qualified economist to be Finance Minister". No one responded around the table until another said "Trevor, you are a communist aren't you?" "Yes - I am" said Trevor. The chairman then said "That's great, Trevor, you have got the job" It may be apocryphal but it would explain a lot!

  • Marion - 2012-03-29 08:40

    This has everything to do with politics and very little to do with the actual education problem in the country. Donald Grant is 100% correct to question your motives. The government should not be selective in where it sets up 'education forums'. This is a deliberate attempt to undermine the DA in the Western Cape. Trevor Manuel, for the first time ever, I am extremely disappointed in you, whether you are following orders or not. Your comment about struggle credentials is pathetic.

      Mark - 2012-03-29 08:55

      Your are only disappointed in Manuel for the first time - guess you think that he was a capable Minister of Finance then , Manuel is a clown - even an Economics 101 student knows that.

      Sonnyjakes - 2012-03-29 10:22

      @Themba that's why he drives a Merc and you a donkey cart?

      Nigel - 2012-03-29 14:06

      @ Themba, you white this you whites that, you are a racist, drop your attitude & grow up

  • berni.venter - 2012-03-29 08:41

    HA! Who has actually 'reduced community service' and the overcrowding at 1 (one) school is due to scholars fleeing the EC where there is NO EDUCATION! Why aren't you in the EC Mr Manual & Co??? Is the crisis not in the EC? Aaah but hang on the teachers and their unions votes are needed in less than 2 years so best we not step on their toes. Silly me. If the land had been handed over Grabouw would have the necessary space for the scholars and this whole mess would not even have been a possibility and you know it!

      Hermann - 2012-03-29 11:21

      Poor Themba.

      Anthony - 2012-03-29 12:27

      my biggest disappointment about manuel [there have been many ---aspecially his early comment 'what is this thing called the market?'-wow the market showed him next day] is in a CNN interview HE WAS ARROGANT AND SOO FULL OF HIMSELF IN HIS SUPPORT OF THE SECRECY BILL__HE BELITTLED THE LADY WHO INTERVIEWED HIM forgetting that there are some 'big guys' out there---for me --if manuel is seen as a good past fin minister it means the job cant be that difficult typical example of someone who belives his own hype

  • Glyn - 2012-03-29 08:43

    The anc are playing political games with poor children. Nothing more, nothing less! Shame on that ex-respected Manuel man! Vote DA. For the Children!

      Nigel - 2012-03-29 14:08

      you are brainwashed Indlovu, looks like you also missed out on education like the EC.

  • Derek - 2012-03-29 08:45

    Interesting. No education forums called for in dysfunctional ANC led areas like the Eastern Cape. Does anyone in the Anc have integrity? I had lumped Manuel with the few left, but it seems he has jumped ship. How many honourable people left, 4..5 ?

      Koos - 2012-03-29 09:06

      Please name the 4..5.

      Michael - 2012-03-29 09:11

      try ZERO Derek. And if anyone has anything to say to the contrary..... pls prove me wrong and name this person(can only be one).

      Derek - 2012-03-29 09:20

      Yep, I think you've got me there Koos!

      Felix - 2012-03-29 09:21

      Well lets see, there's umm.... nope I give up. If you'd said rich I would have had as chance.

  • betsy.compaan - 2012-03-29 08:48

    wow mister Manuel, if our education problems were so easy to solve we should've started pumping out education forums years ago in bulk... just goes to show the level of "understanding" from the Government regarding the problems in education. How disgusting

  • Dan - 2012-03-29 08:51

    Trevor, before embarking on all these forums, why don't you tell us all what happened in the arms deal? You were central to that deal. your interference in the WC clearly shows a bias; the EC schools have mud classrooms, no toilets or proper drinking water. What forum have you set up there? Do you feel because you were an activist during apartheid you have a right to interfere? You and comrades benefitted thousands of time over from all the shady deals and tenders. Don't think that anyone owes you anything!

  • Archie - 2012-03-29 08:57

    Not so clever Trevor.ANC achillies heel is EC, Limpopo and gauteng .Go sort your deployed cadres out in those provinces and stop using pathetic excuses for voicing your opinion.All the EC provinces schools are under performing,thats why there is a huge influx of people going to cape.These will be the new DA voters who know how crappy the ANC alliance have performed

  • Nigel - 2012-03-29 08:57

    OK ANC, MR Manuel to be specific, why they hell don't you bother to set up an education forum in the EASTERN Cape, it is also interesting to note that 10% of schools have no water, 14% no electricity, 46% use pit-latrine toilets (even the Romans has better toilets), 90% have no computers, 93% no libraries, 95% no science laboratories, there are no set standards to say what schools require, none...the ANC are USELESS !!!!, they have destroyed education to such an extent that Care 2 action alerts, an active protest organization has formed a petition against the minister of education to start doing something about this shocking situation...you can sign it at this web page ..... www.thepetitionsite.com/610/417/019/equal-educations-campaign-and-court-case-for-minimum-norms-and-standards-for-school-infrastructure/....sign it, send it to all your friends, colleagues & family, if the ANC govt refuse to care for their own people, we will stand up against this abuse of human rights.

      Anthony - 2012-03-29 12:32

      in a UN survey of 142 contries education, south africa came 138---need anyone say more

      Nigel - 2012-03-29 14:18

      @ Anthony , yea and that result was obtained with the ANC spending (blowing\wasting) a whopping 20% of its total annual budget on education, year in year out, this is the 5th highest in the world, god knows where all the money went as it sure as hell is not translating into education. Seems the ANC is good as wasting, but pathetic a delivering

      Riƫtte - 2012-03-29 14:40

      because if they educate the people in their strongholds they will rapidly loose votes...

  • Gaby - 2012-03-29 08:57

    Can the two political parties stop trying to score brownie points and focus on fixing the problem?

      Ally - 2012-03-29 13:00

      When you can get the ANC to shut the **** up and do some work is when the ANC will start to fix the problems of the country. The DA has done a great deal, the ANC has done zilch.

  • rrakoma - 2012-03-29 09:01

    Well when the local goverment claims that they have a 'refugee' problem in the area then a forum sound like one of many suitable interventions to me, more ppl from the eastern cape relocate to KZN, and more ppl in the country just like me relocate to joburg for work and an education. Am I a refugee?

      Nigel - 2012-03-29 09:04

      rather worry about the core issue, the shocking state of the countries education!!

  • Joe - 2012-03-29 09:13

    Answer the question Mr Manual. How many 'education forums' does the National Planning Commission have in other provinces?

  • Danie - 2012-03-29 09:15

    Grant, is wrong, it would be so much better , if he said thank you, Mr Grant Please inform us how many of these overcrowded school students is refugees from the EC corrupt educational system. i.e, where at school in the EC the last year or started their education in the EC. That would be interesting questions for manual planning commission, Why must kids leave their homes and parents to obtain a education in a free SA. Sound like the apartheid days, when black people had to leave their free black run countries to earn food for their families in apartheid SA

  • Clive - 2012-03-29 09:17

    Is this the ultimate in ANC hypocrisy? There is a REAL CRISIS in the E Cape, which the national minister of Basic Education is unwilling (or unable) to address, but cleva Treva decides to interfere in the W Cape. Of course it's all politics, and I, too, expected from Manuel. Which province produces the best Matric results year after year, Mr M?

      Clive - 2012-03-29 16:48

      Sorry, that should have read "I expected BETTER from Manuel".

  • vaarland - 2012-03-29 20:50

    Funny that no-one seems to focus really on what exactly MEC Grant has done to fix/prevent the problem. This is not something that occurred only this year. The provincial education department has been making promises to the relevant school for years and not delivering. Instead they lie and make up new promises.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-04-04 14:55

      They are waiting for the Dept. of Public Works to release the designated site. That is why it has taken so long.

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