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Hanekom: Govt to blame for land problem

2012-03-08 09:02

Johannesburg - The government was to blame for the perceived failure of the willing buyer, willing seller land reform policy, deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom said, according to a report on Thursday.

Hanekom, the former minister of agriculture and land affairs, was speaking at a Grain SA event in Bothaville in the Free State.

He said the government did not understand the land reform process, reported Sake24.

Hanekom said the government should be blamed if it paid more for the land than what it was worth.

"If you sell your land, you sell it for the highest price," he was quoted in Afrikaans as saying.

"And if the government pays more than what it is worth, then the blame must be laid at the government's door."

Hanekom assured the approximately 500 farmers that Zimbabwe-like land grabs would not happen in South Africa.

The ruling ANC released policy discussion documents earlier this week. It said, among other things, that the current willing buyer, willing seller policy was distorting prices and recommended that a land management commission be established to develop guidelines and land management.

It proposed a land valuer general to help bring consistency to land values and determine financial compensation in cases of land expropriation.

Comments
  • Morama - 2012-03-08 09:12

    "Hanekom assured the approximately 500 farmers that Zimbabwe-like land grabs would not happen in South Africa". Why all of a sudden this land distribution is in every ANC member...i mean after 18 years? This is one of the topics Julias Malema has been talking about....i smell something here!!!

      Johan - 2012-03-08 09:30

      Hanekom moet Passop! He will be kicked out for his anti revolutionary statements once Julias takes over from Zuma!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-08 10:07

      See it really isn't about land, but the riches they see the farmer has.. They think by taking the farm they too will be rich, however, it is the land that is given to them not the farm. Now all of a sardine they need to farm and they simply do not have the skills or the capital... So the farm becomes just land, and that is what they were after wasn't it?

      Robert - 2012-03-08 18:48

      Malema is hitting hard back so he has to put himself in this position so that can fire his ass.

  • Willie - 2012-03-08 09:19

    The problem lies with officials in this department,there is a lot of corruption,hence the failure. The sellers are not to be blamed.CORRUPTION BY OFFICIALS they should be investigated

  • Spikes - 2012-03-08 09:20

    Derek's got a death wish or wants very early retirement.

      Marc - 2012-03-08 09:34

      @Sganja: Chop, read the article again. Slowly this time. He is speaking against the government, not against the farmers.

      dirk.smit1 - 2012-03-08 09:59

      @Sganja - Every time you make a comment it is riddled with BS. Bud, before you comment, read and understand the article. When will you learn that it should not be a black and white thing but rather a right and wrong thing. I don't care if you are white or black when you agree or disagree. Stop being a racist buddy!

  • Juan - 2012-03-08 09:29

    ...Derek,I hope you are right,because if illegal land grabs start...that would probably signal the beginning of the END for democracy which would = Zimbabwe path...

      MSGRule - 2012-03-08 09:57

      Illegal land grabs are going to cause big unrest in South Africa. Like the English that tried to collonise South Africa, 200 years ago. Remember Majuba. The government(hanekom) is blowing smoke up the farmer communites @sses to make them feel at ease.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-08 11:17

      @Mtshezi, so you bring 8 cowards with you? Isn't that how you roll?

      Warwick - 2012-03-08 15:19

      Hey Juan, think about this, if my land is bonded to the bank and I have taken loans worth a few hundred thopusand to upgrade and buy equipipment etc. and my land is seized, who is liable for the bond and outsatanding loans??????

  • Tgif - 2012-03-08 09:35

    Why establish " Land Management Commission" when after the land is bought and distributed to the Previously disadvantaged so called owner that the land was supposedly " Stolen" from it will turn into a dust bowl within a year ? This should rather be called the " Land Mismanagement and trashing it to oblivion through ineptitude Commission"

  • Peter - 2012-03-08 09:37

    Hanekom is absolutely correct. The government bought some farms for absolutely ridiculous prices, I just wonder why? There were lots of nervous farmers who wanted out as they were insecure about the future, they offered their farms at fair prices. Many accepted government offers, but never heard from the regime again. The ANC is absolutely responsible for this mess. Anyway, they created the whole falacy people needed land - the proof that they did not really want it lies visible for all to see in the 1000's of hectares of derelict land that they now own. Once prosperous land lies fallow in vast swathes. Why take the land when you do nothing with it anyway. All a big lie, but a uselful ideological political tool. Nothing nicer than revenge, thats all it really is, they just want to take it away to spite the white farmers as a sort of punishment for past injustices. No real interest in building a future. Sad situation really - lose lose.

      MSGRule - 2012-03-08 10:00

      Well said. They will rather have nothign than let someone else have it. likw children!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-08 10:06

      See it really isn't about land, but the riches they see the farmer has.. They think by taking the farm they too will be rich, however, it is the land that is given to them not the farm. Now all of a sardine they need to farm and they simply do not have the skills or the capital... So the farm becomes just land, and that is what they were after wasn't it?

      Terry-Lee Heuer - 2012-03-08 10:52

      Agree with you 100% Peter really a sad state of affairs

      Jadon - 2012-03-08 11:51

      @Mtshezi: Any whites that do not believe that Apartheid was bad and unfair should go and jump into the sea. Regarding the land issue: Is it revenge? Tit for tat? You made our lives hell under Apartheid, now it's your turn? If it is revenge (disguised as transformation or whatever you like), us fair-skinned boys are royally shafted, and may as well get the hell out of here now.

      Ashuvha - 2012-03-08 12:40

      jadon Stop crying like a spoilt brat.You are being asked to share the loot that your forefather robbed from our forefathers.It's a gesture,you get to keep the loot your forefathers got from robbery,but you are required to share it with descendants of those who were robbed.Is that hard?

      Warwick - 2012-03-08 15:21

      What about all the millions of acres of land lying fallow and useless in the old homelands. Who owns that land and what is it worth?

      Jadon - 2012-03-08 16:58

      @Ashuva My post is gone! But suck a toffee anyway.

  • Hunter - 2012-03-08 09:43

    "Zimbabwe on announced Wednesday it had extended by a week a deadline for platinum miner Zimplats to hand over nearly 30 percent of its shares under a contentious indigenisation law. 'We are accepting Tuesday as the final deadline,' Indigenisation Minister Saviour Kasukwere told journalists. 'We expect that there will be a conclusion to this matter. The government will not hesitate to nationalise those companies that do not comply with the law.' From another news website - this is what Derek is actually meaning.

  • Pieter - 2012-03-08 09:49

    Typical Africa politics. Political parties do not share and or step down point. Zim used to be a poor but happy country until an election came about, where they might loose seats in Gov. They had to make promises which they could not achieve, so land grabbing from the "rich" ws quite an useful policy. If Zim had no election, this land "reform" would'nt have taken place. There are cracks within the ANC and they are getting scared. Afrca's policy regarding politics, leave present gov. and let them rule, but keep them on there toes.

  • janbosman.marais - 2012-03-08 09:49

    Democracy - Key Elements In order to deserve the label modern democracy, a country needs to fulfill some basic requirements - and they need not only be written down in it's constitution but must be kept up in everyday life by politicians and authorities: •Guarantee of basic Human Rights to every individual person vis-à-vis the state and its authorities as well as vis-à-vis any social groups (especially religious institutions) and vis-à-vis other persons. •Separation of Powers between the institutions of the state: Government [Executive Power], Parliament [Legislative Power] und Courts of Law [Judicative Power] •Freedom of opinion, speech, press and massmedia •Religious liberty •General and equal right to vote (one person, one vote) •Good Governance (focus on public interest and absence of corruption)

  • Mark - 2012-03-08 10:05

    That is what is termed a career-limiting move Derek but you are of course correct, enjoy your retirement. If government could somehow ensure that the farming land remains viable, and profitable, after ownership is transferred then the problem wouldn't be as large but purely to give it to people with no farming experience or abilities is a sell-out, especially when it's done with taxpayers money. Willing-seller, willing-buyer is the ONLY way you can go or else you ARE talking land invasions, especially if the ANC are going to confuse the issue by talking tripe without coming up with another viable solution.

  • eben.ferreira1 - 2012-03-08 10:18

    Who believes this man. The one thing goverment officials has to come to grips with, The truth does not lie in what they say but in what they ultimately do. I get the feeling they are under the total false impression that no matter what they say, they will be believed.

  • Ken - 2012-03-08 10:40

    @Poloyatonki PointBlank.. Which bank was open in 1652? How about Banca Monte dei Paschi di Siena Siena, Italy (Founded 1472)

      Freddie - 2012-03-08 11:04

      "The Dutch invested in trade, insurance, and banking. The Dutch founded two important trading companies: - the Dutch East India Company (1602), and the Dutch West India Company (1621). The East India Company commenced with a capital of 6 1/2 million florins in 1602, and rapidly instituted a system whereby contributors could not withdraw capital but could trade their shares freely. In practice, only the large investors decided where and how the Company should trade. " I list the above quote as the Dutch were the first to settle in the Cape. Banking goes back to 2,000 BC in Babylon. Not that Poliodonkey would open his closed mind to actually learn something.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-08 11:19

      @Ken, no one "owned" land in SA in 1652.. there were inhabitants and the land was occupied but not owned..

  • Ken - 2012-03-08 10:42

    Or let's use a new comer The Bank of Scotland (now Halifax Bank of Scotland) Edinburgh, Scotland (Founded 1695)

  • francois.grove - 2012-03-08 11:09

    Who is gonna determine who the rightful owners of this land is/are? Be careful of playing player and referee syndrome we live in.

  • Thabo - 2012-03-08 11:15

    Hanekom is a double agent! he is using the strategy of : if you can't beat them , join them and be distructive from within !

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-08 15:41

      Sounds like the same strategy julius and jacob are pulling.

  • Hans - 2012-03-08 11:19

    I’m an Estate Agent in the Western Cape. Ten years ago, when the majority of fruit farms were on the market and when land values were at historic lows, roughly 20% of what they are now, I urged the Government to take advantage and purchase farms en masse. No reaction. I then negotiated the sale of a beautiful, productive and profitable fruit farm on the outskirts of Villiersdorp to a group of aspiring black & coloured farmers, at lower than fair market value. It took two and a half years for the Government to cough up the money and finalise the deal. During this time the owner displayed immense patience and fortitude in the interests of assisting the transformation process. Despite financial support and assistance from the Government, and assistance by the previous owner, neighbours and others, five years later the farm went bankrupt. I believe that the local authority is now taking over the land and is planning to develop ‘low-cost’ housing there for the influx of poor migrants from the Eastern Cape. Which is a sorry end to a once-valuable and irreplaceable farming enterprise. I believe that this experience has been replicated in literally hundreds of cases across the country. This verifiable report illuminates everything that is wrong with land reform, the failure of which should be laid squarely at the door of the inept and dysfunctional ANC Government.

      Hans - 2012-03-08 11:20

      As an aside, I’m told by property professionals who work in those regions that the vast bulk of arable land in KZN, the Eastern Cape, Mpumalanga, Limpopo and Free State are now in the hands of black farmers, rubbishing claims by the ANC and their cohorts that whites still own 80% (or whatever) of the arable farming land. Furthermore, I believe that the number of white farmers has dropped from some 120,000 twenty years ago to some 30,000 today. And the number is still dropping. Makes you think, doesn’t it?

      Peter - 2012-03-08 12:32

      This logical method does not suit their political objectives. They are actually uninterested in helping uplift the "previously disadvantaged". All focus is on how to keep in power, that is all that matters to this regime - at any cost whatsoever. The so called land issue is not something they want dealt with, if it is dealt with successfully, they lose it as a tool to manipulate people with.

  • Nigel - 2012-03-08 12:32

    18 years later & the ANC wake up, well sort of.

      Johnathon - 2012-03-08 12:42

      118 years and you would be much closer to the mark

  • Den - 2012-03-08 12:49

    baas derick has spoken...

  • Den - 2012-03-08 12:51

    mthezis so your just another criminal so typical

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-03-08 14:49

      Not really hey, it's very disappointing when Whites are totally opposed to transformation and an equal share of the economy. Saying they'll fight of they have to. U are not being asked to give it all up, u are asked to share!!!

      Sinudeity - 2012-03-08 15:43

      Mtshezi - We do share. Almost half of all our income is given to the government. Also, whats the point of sharing if billions is merely stolen by corrupt cadres?

  • mdy.chauke - 2012-03-08 12:52

    Mr Hannekom has failed to yield positive result on the land issue while he was minister of land reform,it is amazing how he can blame the government,may be the ANC&the government is to be blame for putting people colonial&imperialist mind set in cretical position thinking that they will advance the masses but only to find them thinking racial with narrowly agenda to protect their previous gains @ whatever cost even undermining&sabotaging government efforts towards equality.

      Peter - 2012-03-08 13:29

      Ha ha, I knew you'd drop your lip when a white fella states the truth. Any answers to the reasoning many of us or using, or is it just too complicated for you? What a joke...

  • Den - 2012-03-08 12:52

    mtshezi is was bad

  • Johnathon - 2012-03-08 13:38

    Another piece of Government Propaganda sheepishishly taken on by the masses, is that Africa only belongs to the blacks. The white man must p**s off back to where he came from. Right this is the scenario : I pack my bags and take a flight to Britain. With a hired car I scour the British countryside, until I come across the most developed and successful farm in the area. I knock on the farm door and vehemently inform the farmer, that this farm actually belongs to my ancestors, and that he viciously and forcefully stole it from my ancestors. Would he therefore immediately pack his bags and vacate the farm so me and my family can take over. Leave behind all your farm implements and machinery however. I think he would have to be tranquilized, he would be in such a state of hysterical laughter. How unreasonable of him, I must therefore approach the authorities and expropriate the land by force.

  • Kgolane - 2012-03-08 14:13

    U said we would always be slaves, never walk without a dom pass, never organise a political party, not go to tertiary, never be professional skilled employees and employers, never live in suburbs and cities, never vote , never have a black president ... now u sayin we'll never take back our land...once again time will tell.

      Johnathon - 2012-03-08 14:47

      As I have said before Kgolane, your whole nation is made up of individuals who have zero ability to reason or apply logic to any situation. Go ahead and try and touch the white man’s legitimately owned farms. You and your black brethren will be rather surprised when you see just how the white man reacts, when everything he has worked for all his life, is about to be soiled, broken down, and reduced to the state where no sign of what was once there is left. The bush and veld grass will have taken over with the area reverted back to the barren land it was 500 years ago. All you blacks can do is make EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES for your inability to rise above the self induced poverty, so many of you live in. I guess it will take another 100 years for you and your nation to realize that your whole future, is in your hands, and you are solely responsible for the life you make for your selves. Just get rid of the attitude that you can simply walk in a take anything you want from someone else. History should prove to you that life does not work like that. Will you always remain a child, or is there some hope that one day you might develop into an adult.

      Kgolane - 2012-03-08 15:56

      Like i said my friend...70 years ago had someone told ur father and grandfather that u and I would be discussing land distribution in 2012 with ANC as the Ruling Party and a black president...he would hav choked on his biltong...so u can insult us till ur fingers are blue...but one day you will wake up and think: "bliksem but these blax neva give up, they survived, 400 years of slavery, 200 years of colonization, 100 years of aparthied with no arms and now they've taken back all they're land !!"

  • Mark - 2012-03-08 15:32

    Derek Hanskom has supped with the devil before. Am delighted he has now turned on his employer. Took courage, I am sure. Well done

  • Johnathon - 2012-03-08 15:58

    Kgolane, the way your nation breeds, the ratio will eventually be 500 : 1. It will be quite difficult at that stage to still blame the evil colonist and despicable settler for the sorry state the country will be in by then. Afer all, you only bred yourself into power. It had absolutely nothing to do with your fitness or ability to govern the most developed country in Africa. As far as the famous liberation struggle went, it was the only war won, where the enemy were not able to win one single battle.

      Kgolane - 2012-03-08 16:13

      @Thinkertank...enjoy the rest of ur day my brother.

  • Johnathon - 2012-03-08 16:19

    Hi Kgolane. Let’s make a truce, and stop slinging insults at each other. You are probably a hell of a nice guy if ever we were to meet face to face. Only thing that really gets my back up, is the continuous referral to your past to justify the present. The past is the past, and the only thing that matters, is the present and the future. Without harmony between all racial groups, this country will never ever develop to its full potential. Go well my brother, hope you become rich and successful one day, and that you will laugh at the way our little chat went.

  • johan.vanhoff - 2012-03-08 18:05

    POINT BLANK,YOU ARE RIGHT. I FARMED WITH LUCERNE, ESKOM IS KILLING ME WITH THEIR TARRIFS. F@CK THE REGIME.

  • Zodwa Mazibuko - 2012-03-08 23:10

    A central valuer would make sense if only it'll have the final say on value, otherwise still a sitution where values are disputed might arise further slowing down the process.

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