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Hate speech charge laid against Jacob Zuma

2012-02-24 18:19

Johannesburg - Rightwing group the Gelofte Volk laid a complaint of hate speech against President Jacob Zuma at the Human Rights Commission in Johannesburg on Friday.

Gelofte Volk leader Andre Visagie said he presented the charges "on behalf of the boer nation".

The first charge was for Zuma's singing "the forbidden song", "dubul' ibhunu" (shoot the boer) at the African National Congress's centenary celebrations in Bloemfontein on January 11.

The second was against the ministry of police for allegedly failing to intervene at the trial of Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) leader Eugene Terre'blanche's killers, when black people held up signs saying "boere word gebleksem" (sic).

The third charge related to the ANC government's "failure" to employ a special force to protect farmers after the dissolution of military commandos.

Discrimination

The ANC government also discriminated against the boer youth "in that they are deliberately excluded from employment in the government [and] private sector", Visagie said.

"Now they are punished for 'apartheid' because they have a white skin."

The presidency earlier said it was unaware of the complaint by the fringe group.

Spokesperson Mac Maharaj said: "I am sure that they [the HRC] will attend to it through the proper procedures".

He said the presidency would not be sending someone to hear the complaint on Friday.

Visagie said he hoped the case would draw international media attention because "we are killed in this country just because we have white skins".

The Gelofte Volk (People of the Covenant) was founded by Visagie, the AWB's former general secretary.

About 15 of the group's supporters, most of them middle-aged women, gathered outside the commission's offices before the complaint was heard.

They held up the Vierkleur flag, and a placard that read "stop die plaasmoorde" (stop farm murders).

Andries Terre'blanche, brother of Eugene, joined Visagie and the leadership of the Volk to lay the complaint.

Comments
  • harley1 - 2012-02-24 18:31

    skiet om los met die boerewors !!

      Blip - 2012-02-26 03:05

      Don't touch him on his studio.

  • Johan Grobbelaar - 2012-02-24 18:33

    If he sang it and they have proof, lock him up. Eish, with fatboy hunted by SARS and the Hawks, and showerhead may stil get justics for his corruption case, and hate speech... I wonder... Can we have a Big Brother SA in their shared Pollsmoor cell? I will watch it every day! Lol. Maybe call it Big Brother - dumb and dumberer (The moral decay of the ANC)... Catchy dontcha think?

  • jacovanstraten - 2012-02-24 18:34

    Dear Andre Visagie, PLEASE don't include me in this "on behalf of the boer nation" I'm ashamed of being a boer because of people like you.....

      Reggie Van Der Bank - 2012-02-24 18:36

      Im a white person too, and Im ashamed I share blood with u. The race war must ebd. And its not goin to without faceing facts.

      Elize - 2012-02-24 19:25

      @jacovanstraten I fully agree with you!!

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-24 19:38

      How many boere needs to be exterminated before you will stand for your rights? The killing of boere is not imagined. It is reality! The ANC regime is contributing to the situation via songs that is sung even though it is hate speech. Do you think there will be less killings if we keep quiet? Do you think your shame can save a life?

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-02-24 22:59

      me think, you are just afraid.....and shame on you olivia.

      Utopian - 2012-02-25 07:13

      It is, in fact, the other way around. The nation is ashamed of you.

      izino2704 - 2012-02-25 09:50

      Jaco Theres nothing to be ashamed of as a Boer same applies to myself that theres nothing to be ashamed of as a Black man, What we all need to be ashamed of is This Racism Stigma that sorrounds us all. We all need to unite and get rid of this Racism and be one nation of Humans and not Colour. Together as one nation we can make a difference. Isaac Qubu

      Em - 2012-02-25 11:05

      I'm ashamed that you share the same skin colour jacovanstraten. its because of ostriches like you that we find ourselves where we are. wake up and smell the blood.

      arthurbrigg - 2012-02-25 13:20

      As a half English half Afrikaans guy I read somewhere the statistics are over 300 farmers killed last year, that's 25 a month, which is almost a farmer every day. Whether it's racially motivated or because farmers are easy targets I'm not sure, but either way farmers provide food security and have centuries of knowledge on farming, they also provide jobs. In respect of that I can understand why singing the song can be construed as hate speech, and the leader of a country should be wise enough to realise it and rather try unite people instead of acting like a spoiled child who is promoting hatred to gain popularity.

      tshegofatso.setilo - 2012-02-25 13:53

      jacovanstraten I apploud you for being so brave...What we need to do as South Africans is to stop this racism from spreading further. I take pride in being black and I dont condone racism at all because I have been a victim of racism even up to this day. Racism doesnt only happen to whites you know, Blacks also experience it every single day but it is not written about in the newspapers. We are the future generation of our beloved country and we need to work together if we want to put this disease "racism" behind us and live in a true united and democratic South Africa. We need to show the world that South Africa is a great country and hopefully journalists will write something good about that.

      tshegofatso.setilo - 2012-02-25 15:44

      rebel-without-a-cause If you read my comment carefully you'd get the content of it. I am not saying that anyone should keep quiet about racism, it is wrong to keep quiet. Dont you know that a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step?

      tshegofatso.setilo - 2012-02-25 15:45

      oh and please give me stats so that I can understand your point of view.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-25 16:27

      @tshegofatso.setilo. Just read the comments by Denise lower down. Your comments are comparable the the classic beauty contest winner who asks for "World Peace" in her speech. The fight against racism needs acknowledgement that there are a problem from the instigating group. Saying empty things like "we need to work together" is meaningless. Exposing Zuma and taking him to task for his racism is a step in the right direction. Working together as you say implies compromise. How do you propose that the racist killings of the Afrikaner be stopped? Your words clearly indicate your total lack of understanding / acceptance of what is going on. Now how do you propose we work together if there are clearly no common grounds to even start with. The Afrikaner has no choice, it is fight back or die. That does not imply a military solution at all. It means we are forced to use every legal means to fight the extermination of our tribe. Even if it means taking the Pres to court for hate speech and racism. Chanting for the killing of a specific ethnic group is not culture or tradition. It is criminal incitement to genocide. If you feel so strong for your fight against racism, then join in the fight against the effects of racism.

      tshegofatso.setilo - 2012-02-25 16:47

      @rebel-with-out-a-cause hahahahahahaha....you clearly have issues, and for argument sake I will respect your decision because you clearly do not respond to other races experiencing racism as well, you only concentrate on one race. Oh well, I respect your point of view.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-25 17:23

      @ tshegofatso.setilo. Yes I have issues. It is a major problem that the Boer is getting killed while our President is chanting for the killing of the Boer. Why must I concern myself with the claimed racism of other races while my people are getting slaughtered? If you were starving, you would get highly upset if you were told that there are starving people in India as well and to stop complaining. I asked for you to propose a solution "How do you propose that the racist killings of the Afrikaner be stopped?" You totally neglect to address that question which could have been the start of common ground towards a solution. Yes, South Africa has many problems, not just the problems that is the topic of this thread. Saying that we must unite in the fight against racism and then giving patronizing answers when pushed is shows lack of sincerity and is no solution at all.

      Rippedtulle - 2012-02-25 20:21

      The word BOER means farmer - classic meaning HAT. Thus every person who farms is being sung about. Visage and his Afrikaner backward fringe right wing ideology must be tried for treason as well as every other person who violates constitutional law intentionally.

      tshegofatso.setilo - 2012-02-25 20:48

      rebel-with-a-cause We start educating people on the issue of RACISM as a whole, and address this with all races, not just concentrating on one race and how dangerous it is. If we both concentrate on one race then it will not serve the purpose to achieve outcomes. Can you imagine if blacks especially those who have experienced racism (families of those who were bruitally killed by whites) and are still doing, what could the country be like right now? Nelson Mandela was the first person to fight racism and I think its only fair if we follow suit. What do you think? Education is the most powerful weapon you can use to change the world, I believe

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-26 08:12

      @tshegofatso.setilo. Please give the statistics for your allegations. Boere are getting slaughtered. Malema perfected the polarization process. The Prezz sang the hate speech song with full knowledge that it was declared hate speech by the South African courts. The BEE laws is a massive failure and instead of implementing some non racist alternative, the ruling regime are just making more racist laws. The ANC is doing everything in its power to defend it's perceived right to defend the song calling for the killing of the Boer. How long are they going to put their so called heritage above the safety and freedom of the Boer. Then we have the naive but probably good intentions calling for the education against racism. Bottom line, my people are getting slaughtered and the ruling regime are singing songs calling for the killing of my people. It does not take a rocket scientist to see and understand the relationship. Now please make a constructive suggestion on how to stop the racism.

  • Ben - 2012-02-24 18:35

    Someone has to do something about these farm murders. This cannot be ordinary crime, the way it is carried out.

      Ben - 2012-02-24 18:50

      Alphadog, nothing wrong with my brain, but I am unable to work out how murder can be advocated in a civilized country.

      Mike - 2012-02-24 19:13

      They should do something about every muder being commited in SA,famers,children,homeless people etc not just farmers only.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-24 19:39

      Putin the "Alphadog" You are obviously a troll.

      heather.moller1 - 2012-02-26 09:50

      @Ben S. I agree with you, it is not "normal" the rate that white farmers are murdered. It is a well orchestrated plan by the "powers that be". They want to instill the fear of God into any white man who even considers farming - why - THEY want the land to develope and fill their own pockets. The irony of it all is that their own people, that elected them into Government live in utter poverty, yet they still cling onto that "PROMISE" of free housing, free education, free medical care, free land. They preach to the poor and arrive in the most expensive German cars, live in mansions etc. Why do you think they do not want to educate the poor majority - THEY are so afraid they will one day wake up and realise what is truly happening. "Keep them uneducated and ignorant and the votes will go the "right" way." You can buy a vote with a mieliemeal parcel and a T-shirt, not bad!!

  • Ntsiki Mdeni - 2012-02-24 18:35

    Thaaaaatha Msholozi.. You said you want to be President. Can you stand the heat?? You seem to be spending more time in courts and legal matters.

      Utopian - 2012-02-25 07:17

      Typically unaware that in a rule-of-law democracy government SHOULD be in court a lot. Especially if government represents voters who have no respect for the law.

  • Gavibear - 2012-02-24 18:37

    Sad but this far right group has a point about the discrimination against the white youth. I am a 20 year old white South African and I was denied a place in Uni because there were "too many white applicants" I also recently applied for a trainee position in the Tswane Metro Police and was denied an interview for the same reason, "too many white applicants"... I finished top 20% in my final year of high school and for the past 2 years the best job I have had was painting doors with 3 Zimbabweans. But I guess it is only fair, I mean I was 3 years old when Apartheid was ended in 1994 so I am to be punished for my part in the "wrongs of the past"..

      Phiwo Gasa - 2012-02-24 18:48

      Come to pta. Plenty of "non-aa" "non-ee" "caucasian male" jobs here

      Phiwo Gasa - 2012-02-24 18:49

      Come to pta. Plenty of "non-aa" "non-ee" "caucasian male" jobs here

      Ben - 2012-02-24 18:58

      Leonard, more of us need advice, please explain 'out of South'

      Nkanyiso Llewelyn Sosibo-Rowthe - 2012-02-24 19:02

      I went to a school where 98 % of the 150 matriculants were white . All of them , except for two who didn't get exemptions , got into their desired degrees at the universities of their choice . In fact , a whole lot of them got accepted into more than 1 university . The courses ranged from medicine to economics . So I have a really hard time believing that any university in south africa would turn away a deserving white candidate from studying , simply because they are too white . That , however ,seems to be the general falsely held belief on Fear24.com

      Utopian - 2012-02-25 07:28

      Gavibear is correct. Not only are his facts straight, his opponents lose their masks with their racist language. Typically swayed by rumour rather than fact: The university of Pretoria only allows the very top white students while shamefully searching for any concocted paperwork to prefer aa students above them. As for white jobs in Pretoria, you're lying. The only ones are old people clinging to pre-1994 privileges, and sons of owners who get jobs. There is nothing for unconnected white boys with even six matric distinctions and cum laude degrees. And even after taking all the jobs and uni admissions you are still unable to do the maths that the handful of whites do not have enough, if taken away, to even make a dent in the goals of aa. The goals are impossible, mathematically. 40 million cannot all be accommidated by taking away what a handful had, it makes no difference. Do the maths and take your frustrations to your government who lied to you.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-25 08:40

      @Utopian. Well said. The supposed to be corrective actions of the various forms of BEE can and will no nothing to improve the work situation of the beneficiary group. What is is very efficient at is to oppress the minorities in South Africa. Add up all the legislated racism and the hate speech from various sources, the white population is in deep shaite. Have a look at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Br-PEddYU&feature=player_embedded Yes that is Zuma singing the song that has been declared hate speech. He is singing it in defiance of the judiciary. He is singing it with full knowledge of the effects it has on the Boer. This was recorder at the ANC centenary celebrations, the beginning of February. The one person, that is supposed to move heaven and earth to provide a secure environment for all the people of South Africa, is calling for the killing if the Boer. Boer is common language that refers to the Afrikaner nation as well as whites in general to a lesser extent. The common ANC defense is that the song is part of their heritage. Does it actually matter how long they have been calling for the killing if the Boer? The ANC is the only ruling party on earth defending the "right" to chant about the killing of another ethnic group, the Boer tribe.

      Sean - 2012-02-25 15:47

      Gavibear- You are 100% right . Apartheid is long gone , now these imbeciles in charge try reverse apartheid ! Where in the f@cken world do you have to have x amount of black people in sports team , not only in sport , but all over ! I give a flying f@ck about apartheid and I owe no black person nothing ! I worked and am still working my a$$ off to get somewhere. I have many black friends and they agree 100% with me . I got myself a little place in europe and when sh@t hits the fan , I am out of here . Black South Africans (not all , but many) are obsessed with white peopleand that is a fact !!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-25 16:36

      To anybody and all that are complaining about not being accepted at a particular university, I say BullS*^%t. Both my kids swatted through Unisa and there is no such thing as "To many of this, or to many of that" If you are so serious about getting into Varsity there is no reason not to go for your degree. The only reason that Unisa would turn away any applicant is because they determine, like all universities, if you are "varsity material". If not you would be wasting your time and theirs.. so once again..their are no excuses for those who realy are serious about qualifying themselves.

  • thandiwe.ntuli - 2012-02-24 18:37

    Where have u heard of individuals laying charges against their President ... Only in Mzansi!!!

      Rudi De Wet - 2012-02-24 18:43

      Mzanzi or Sewende Traan. I tell you, the News is my favorite comedy show! Juju and JZ my favorite characters!

      tacod - 2012-02-24 20:29

      Are you attempting to say that the president is above the law of the country? If a person cross the line of the law, any person or group can lay a charge against the person breaking the law.

      SJ - 2012-02-25 14:15

      This is what freedom means, so what is your gripe? let the evidence lead to justice, or do you also not like that?

      Neil - 2012-02-25 16:05

      Thandiwe, what is a Mzansi? Some kind of eight-legged insect? :P

  • Stephen - 2012-02-24 18:39

    The vier kleur is not the symbol of the afrikaaner far right, its the flag of the old Transvaal. News24 perpetuating historical untruths intentionally? Or just guilty of hiring ignorant staff?

      Jack - 2012-02-24 19:01

      that may be true, but if it's only the flag of the old Transvaal - why bring it along and wave it? Fact is that right wing groups often steal symbols - like the Nazis and the swastika...

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-25 08:43

      The waving of the vier kleur is not illegal. Singing the hate speech song is. Surely we can expect better from the chief executive of South Africa!

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-25 11:21

      Kenny speaking of Nelson Mandella: I just heard on the news hes been taken up in hospital. Hope he gets well soon. He was the only REAL president this country had for the past 100 years

  • Mike - 2012-02-24 18:42

    staan op staan op...

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-24 18:43

    eish i dson't wanna get too many unlikes from boer nation i'll just keep my mouth shut...

      Ken - 2012-02-24 18:50

      Good idea.

      SJ - 2012-02-25 14:16

      No need for that, you have the right, just like the okes, to speak your mind.

      Neil - 2012-02-25 16:07

      Your comments are hardly ever intelligent or thought-provoking, THAT is why you get so many dislikes.

  • Sima Mamaka-Leylani NoMayihlome Twala - 2012-02-24 18:48

    when wil this discrimination end?? Cnt we live in peace and be a nation??? #fed-up#

      AntonKingsize - 2012-02-25 10:13

      Dineo . . .you are an idiot and your mind frame is nothing different to the boere you speak of . . lees of you guys in our country and let the other 98% of South Africans who are all good people of many different colours get on with living in our beautiful country.

  • leonorakruger - 2012-02-24 18:50

    do we go into neighbourhoods now, or in the past, and kill and torture people?

      Denise - 2012-02-25 02:06

      @Kerry - Fortunately, no we did'nt. Read up on history. According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died due to political violence during apartheid from 1948-1994 – of whom 14,000 people died during the six-year transition process from 1990 to 1994. Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, were primarily due to blacks killing blacks — such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: during the period June 1990 to July 1993 a total of 8,580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, “Black on Black” violence – hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence. The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period. After Apartheid the violent deaths from 1994 to 2000 a total of 174,220 people died violent deaths, from crime-related violence, between 1994 and the year 2000. Since 1994, some 640000 people have been murdered in post-apartheid South Africa. Apartheid never killed as many Africans as are now being killed.

      Denise - 2012-02-25 02:17

      @Kerry - The pre-1994 murder statistics rose within a year, from an annual 5,100 murders/homicides to an average of 43,000 now. Thus far, some 645,000 people have already been killed in criminal violence over the past 15 years from 1994 to 2009. Contrary to the prevailing propaganda, the statistics show that during apartheid, the annual criminal deaths mostly occurred due to blacks killing blacks, 92%, according to a report by the SA Human Rights Commission. A total of 8,580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were for instance, among mineworkers killing each other in turf wars or rows at male mine hostels and during the (still ongoing) local power battles between the Zulu-dominated Inkatha Freedom Party and the Xhosa-dominated African National congress supporters. All these events were blamed on the system of apartheid. During the same period June 1990 to July 1993, the combined security forces – the SA police and the defence force -- caused a total of 518 deaths of whom 89% were black victims. Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/264771#ixzz1nLdaaX4Dhttp://digitaljournal.com/article/264771

      seymore.butt - 2012-02-25 05:35

      @Denise, I am sure the apartheid government was keeping an elaborate written record of killing the blacks for the world to come and confirm it.... history is never a fact, it reflects who wrote the books!

      Denise - 2012-02-25 10:48

      The racist murder of white people in SA is politically driven hatred by the ANC government through hate speech and songs like “KILL A BOER (whites), KILL A FARMER". In almost 96% of all murder cases on white people, especially on farms and smallholdings and 69% of house or suburb killings, extreme mutilation and torture was reported. Bibles are often left open on the victim’s corpses and urinated on. The victim’s blood is used to write warning messages on the walls and slogans like “KILL A BOER, KILL A FARMER or “WE WILL KILL ALL YOU WHITES” or "WE WILL BE BACK". Never in South Africa in the last 17 years were any of these tactics used where black people killed black people. This pattern only exists in Genocide style attacks on white people. In the last 17 years there have only been 5 reported white on black hate murder cases in comparison with almost 18,590-documented hate murders on white people. In 71% of all of these murder cases it was the soul intent by the attackers to exterminate the whole family - husband, wife + kids - this pattern you don’t find amongst blacks killing blacks. Wives are raped & butchered while the husband & kids are forced to watch, kids are dragged off & brutally killed separately, a genocide procedure that was used by the Tutsi’s in the Burundi genocide....

      Kroese - 2012-02-25 13:48

      Them whites got into our townships with the buffels and kileed and killed our people. It is true, my vriend he heard it himself from someone who was there.

  • Vegi - 2012-02-24 18:52

    To all rightwing elements: Why are you writing in Afrikaans. This is not an Afrikaans Newspaper. If you are unable to use the accepted medium of communication, you can address your comments to Nuus24.

      Sinudeity - 2012-02-24 18:58

      Isidingidwane.

      Ben - 2012-02-24 19:12

      Vegi, this is the first time I reply to one of your comments because you give the impression that you are racist. I comment on both sites, and handle the white racists the same as the black racists because, although I hate nobody, I hate racism and crime.

      Multi - 2012-02-24 22:56

      Rightwing = Capitalism Leftwing = Communism Communism was envisioned to give all people equal incomes and privileges. Given that overarching law of communism (all are equal) the poverty of the rest of SA and your obvious praise ofall things 'left' it seems a bit hypocritical that you have a computer and they don't. You seem to be a bit more on the right side my friend, or are some more equal than others?

      Evaline - 2012-02-25 05:31

      @Vegi Who are you to tell anyone what they can and cannot write? You seem to be quite a racist based on your previous posts. That being the case, why don't YOU address YOUR comments to http://isizulu.news24.com/ if white people/writing in afrikaans bothers you so much?

      trix.duvenage - 2012-02-25 11:26

      Vegi...jy is wat jou naam se omdat jy stupid en 'n moroon is. Jy leef in SUID AFRIKA nie in Engeland nie. y verstaan jou MA se taal en dit is Afrikaans maar nou wil jy probeer slim wes. Ek is seker as iemand gevorderde engels met jou begin praat sal jy nie 'n cooking clue he waaroor dit gaan nie. EN Ek is nie rightwing nie jou stooge...

      Kroese - 2012-02-25 14:04

      My dear Vegi. I must agree in totality with your sentiments! I would rather that afrikaans is banned so that we may speak the queen's language splendidly amongs our previously disadvantaged peoples. But you, sir, kindly address your comments to Moron24 where your superior reasoning would be much better appreciated. Do not waste your time with all these afrikaans rightwing elements on this forum, it is like being the pig who ate the pearls, or something to that effect (eish, now the freedom before ejucasion is realy make me forget the prowerts )

      SJ - 2012-02-25 14:17

      Many people write here as they want to get their message across to black people as well. Furhtermore it is their right to use any language they please.

  • mzamani.shivambu - 2012-02-24 18:55

    Is this guy laying charges against our president or complaining about service delivery on the white community? Please broer use proper channels. There is no harm on singing 'dubul i bunu', it is just a strugle song and nothing else. Let us move forward guys, this hatered won't take us anywhere.

      Cracker - 2012-02-24 19:09

      @ mzamani... Nobody would have given the song much of a second thought had it not been for Julius Malema's abuse of it. I don't for one moment think that JZ was seriously contemplating the killing of boere when singing the song. He was simply retaking ownership of the song after its hijacking by the likes of Julius Malema. Anyway, we have a proper judicial decision on the status of the song. JZ should perhaps have waited a little longer for a final decision. But it has to be said that it is disconcerting that he disregarded a court decision.

      mariuskowie - 2012-02-24 19:46

      Zuma's singing of the song was with full knowledge of the hate speech judgement. How much more contempt can the president of South Africa show for the Judiciary?

      Hugo - 2012-02-25 10:37

      my previous comment was deleted but I will say it again @Sinudeity no such a song exists @Baraba, go ahead it is after all just a word

      SJ - 2012-02-25 14:17

      The court of law saw it differently.

      Balan - 2012-02-25 16:18

      dubuli lo ayencee president

  • jaco.herbst - 2012-02-24 18:59

    Did JZ sing the song yes or no? The courts already ruled on this. Did people (who ever) put up racist signs at Terblanche's court case. yes or no? Are there people murdered on farms or elsewhere everyday, yes or no? Are the government protecting people in SA, yes or no? To all the political motivated comments here, go back to basics and look at our human rights! This ain't about black or white, it's about what is wrong.

      Irene - 2012-02-24 20:28

      Even 'angel' Mandela sang it.

  • Mike - 2012-02-24 19:07

    Why don’t they apply for asylum like some of the boere who do not want to be a part of a rainbow nation.From what I understand ET ‘s case is still in court and should they be found guilty they will face the full might of the law. They just want the attention since some of them they might not have enough money or skills to migrate.

  • Christopher - 2012-02-24 19:09

    I don't like this "on behalf of the boer nation" and holding up the old flag nonsense. To be honest, it just reeks of Apartheid. South Africa and its people need to focus on being a cohesive group, speak on behalf of all South Africans, that any South African will be held accountable for racist speech against any other South African. Don't make this about black vs. white. We should all adhere to the same standards. All people see when they read this is a conservative Afrikaans group vs. a black group, and round and round we go. Don't hold up the old flag, hold up the new one. Make the new flag about accepting everyone regardless of race, don't live in the past. Except if these people could have it their way, they'd put black people back in Districts and have White only beaches and parks. These people are just as bad as Zuma is. They call him out on hate speech but spread racism behind closed doors to their family and friends. We need a new South Africa, and both black and white people in this country need to make that happen.

      Hugo - 2012-02-25 09:27

      absolutely but i dont think Zuma is a rabid racist like these bunch,his loyalty to the indians(Gupta et al) in particular should attest to his non racialism mindset

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-02-25 15:39

      Zuma's loyalty to the Guptas is about anything but friendship or non-racialsim! ;-)

  • Senzo Mathebula - 2012-02-24 19:12

    is this the same guy who wanted to touch someone on his studio

      dineo.mathebula - 2012-02-24 21:11

      Lol Senzo please don't touch me on my studio!!

  • Zipho Ka Nomafu Myaluza - 2012-02-24 19:14

    hahahahahahaha hehehehehehehe hihihihihih hohohohohoho huhuhuhuhuhuhu

      Barefoot - 2012-02-24 19:30

      My Stomach is aching lol

  • Gerhard Lemmer Marais - 2012-02-24 19:25

    Ek is n trotse afrikaanse wit boer. Ek het n ryk geskiedenis. En nes ek eendag my kinders van my geskiedenis wil vertel. Die ANC onderdruk die wit afrikaner. En ons sal ons regte uitoefen!!!! Om melding te maak van n regse groep is belaglik... Kom by toe.

  • Justus - 2012-02-24 19:27

    SAPA should be reported to the press ombudsman for this article, because of factual error, and extreme bias. There is no reason why the word "failure" had to appear in inverted commas in the article, and the Vierkleur flag, is not a symbol of the far right. It is the flag of the Zuid Afrikaanze Republiek. The article also tries very hard to insinuate that the complaint laid at the HRC has no foundation because of who laid it.

      John Murray McKay - 2012-02-24 19:39

      And cANCer should be investigated for genocide. Heil showerhead!

  • Barefoot - 2012-02-24 19:28

    Yeah black people should also unite too to lay charges against the pres, 1- we are killed on a daily basis 2- service delivery or lack of defying the constitution right to water, housing, internet etc 3- not stopping the right wing camp training young one to hate us 4- allowing Mulder to call us by a politically incorrect term bantu speaking 5- death machines called taxis least some of them! can we join the boers? (sorry if boer is a racist word) lol really now

  • Larry - 2012-02-24 19:40

    So they should take out a charge against him. They think that they can say what they like, but is there is the slightest opportunity to scream Racist against others, they don't hesitate.

  • Johnathon - 2012-02-24 19:42

    Let the truth be known.I am a full product of the Apartheid era, having spent my full youth and most of my adult years under the system. During my whole life however, I have never ever disliked or been abusive or treated as an inferior any black person I was lucky enough to come in contact with. The only thing that saddens me now days, is that the so many black people appear bent on revenge against the white man.All that has happened in the new South Africa is that white racism has been replaced by fervent black racism. This is not the way forward to create a rainbow nation. As in Zimbabwe, the advent of a trully representaive goverment ( for a couple of years in Zims case ) was met by wild excitement for each and every citizen of Zimbabwe. Can cultures never ever live in harmomy with each other.

      Johann Enslin - 2012-02-24 19:47

      You don't understand. This is not about what you have done, it's about where you were born. It's not about good and bad, it's about "them" and "us". You are guilty for being born.

      Kabelo Sephai - 2012-02-24 20:27

      A black man is wrong to want a better life for himself, his family and his race and that is for some odd reason seen as an attack on the white race. You are a product of aparteid and even if you didn't mistreat blacks, you still benefitted from aparteid. When our mother got !antu education, you got first class education.

      Irene - 2012-02-24 20:58

      Kabelo, you are so very confused. The hilarious part of your dillusion is that you think the education that the ANCriminals are giving you is better than Bantu education!!! Shame.

      Liam - 2012-02-24 21:01

      Exodus 20.5 "...punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation..." That is how it will be. @kabelo. He is by your own admission a first class educated person. While we can all agree that the end doesn't justify the means, we can sometimes agree thats what is done is done. Your country has a first class educated asset. Get him to work, tax him, and sort out the education gap with monies raised.

      Evaline - 2012-02-27 20:36

      @kabelo How is that his fault? He was born in this country during that time. He personally didn't do anything to further the apartheid system.

  • Shirley - 2012-02-24 19:46

    Bottom line here is if a white went around singing "shoot the black" all hell would break loose. As a president he is supposed to set an example and abide by court rulings.Afrikaners are discriminated against in BEE> Its all true-nomatter if you like it or not!

      Kabelo Sephai - 2012-02-24 20:18

      Shirly, are you not aware that BEE is meant to address inequalities of the past. Secondly, 25% of blacks are unemployed while on 4% of whites are unemployed... How is that discriminating? White people must stop these tendencies of mistaking the blackman's desire for a better life as an attack on the whiteman. You need to realise that whites are only human, not superior.

      tacod - 2012-02-24 21:01

      Kabelo, please get your facts right, 25% blacks unemployed while more than 32% of whites are unemployed in the formal sector. The difference is that there are only approx 1.7mil economic whites while there are 23mil economic blacks and that include all the black people that came to SA because they could not find employment in their own countries. Suggestion, look at the mining industry, let them send all the foreigners home and employ only South Africans, then the unemployment under South Africans would be reduced to less than 15%.

      Hugo - 2012-02-25 09:34

      nothing would happen.Mulder called us bantus, some thing we find derogatory but he is still seating pretty in his PTA office .There is a camp where white youths are told that we are not civilized,barbaric etc but we dont care.Many whites do and say things that are offensive to us but still live to see another day.So take it easy on the siege mentallity.

      Shirley - 2012-02-25 09:36

      Kabelo:Your percentages are useless,just like your argument! The fact that there are millions more black,who I might add continue to reproduce knowing that they live in poverty,expecting government grants. The fact that government departments are falling apart because blacks have been employed to fill quotas regardless of the fact that they have nowhere near the qualifications for the position...... the list is endless but you still deny???? Whos racist now?

  • Charmaine - 2012-02-24 20:02

    Some very good comments here from all. God have Mercy on us, that's all I can say for now, We are Human Beings, regardless of the skin color, but This black white thing is not going to end anytime soon. What a disgrace for the South African Leadership. I am ashamed that I belong to the Human Race.I hope things change for the better, so much bloodshed and so many disputes. God help us all. Amen.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-02-24 20:02

    You know what guy's...I've read 90% of these comments....wow, some of you need to (keyboard) shake hands....because it's getting ugly. I think there is a lot of frustration, on both sides, and you guy's are using these comments to vent your frustration. I think all of you need to cool it a bit.

      Cracker - 2012-02-24 20:15

      @ sandra This nonsense has been going on for years. Some practiced instigators always manage to excite others. So, join in.

      Kabelo Maxwell Mokoena - 2012-02-25 07:09

      i totally agree with you Sandy,lets not allow a fight betwen two men bring down our national instead lets stop commenting on this topic .

      Kabelo Maxwell Mokoena - 2012-02-25 07:16

      Sandy i totally agree with u, and i think its about we completely stop intertaining such crap including our media because these kinds of Issues not that they'll be our set back but a fall for our beautiful nation.

  • Molapo Oa Malahlela - 2012-02-24 20:04

    Forward we go & the truth doesn't hurt anybody.It's quite clear that White people needs a special treatment in this county.Nobody complaints like them.They've got any answer from any questions from blacks. If blacks can start complaining about whites,money will play its role i.e investors will turn back then Rand will drop against the dollars. My fellow black people please let us work hard by not oppressing each other.Rich black people don't suffer any racism,monopoly,favoritism and discrimination. Money talks!

  • Eugene Marais - 2012-02-24 20:12

    When will the world refer to people as people and not be colour obsessed? We all humans after all!

  • Thulasizwe - 2012-02-24 20:22

    real they seek attention, I think they should bury the past before the past bury them, let's work together as one Nation irrespective of skin colour

  • Jason - 2012-02-24 20:25

    What i hate most of these groups cause i know a few members of these right wingers is that they use hate speech all the time yet they take offense when its done to them..

  • Phiwo Gasa - 2012-02-24 20:31

    Ah more crazies

  • William - 2012-02-24 20:36

    gelofte volk,??????????

  • Bra - 2012-02-24 20:37

    shoot die boer and kill visagie,,,shoot dier boer and kill zuma,both of them derseve charges against hate speech

  • yvonnecraig.linton - 2012-02-24 20:39

    Hey Ronnie what school did you go to ???

  • Bob - 2012-02-24 20:54

    Idiots all. Move to Orania?

  • Moss Molokomme - 2012-02-24 20:58

    God bless Africa

  • Johnathon - 2012-02-24 20:58

    A word to all my black brothers in this country. You give this country its total uniqueness. My son went to live in Britain for 8 years. When he finally came home, the one thing that thrilled him the most was his renewed contact with the black people. He told me, dad, I am back in a country with soul, humour, and one which is alive with the rhythm of a truly diverse nation. Dad, I realize now just how much I missed the vibrancy and excitement of all the SA people - Black, White, Indian, Coloured etc. This is the blood of Africa and I am so excited to be home. This is where I was born. I am a true South African in every form, and love all its people. The main thing whites have against blacks is their complete naivety as to what makes an economy prosper, and the business policies to be followed. So many blacks are hell bent on destroying our mines, our agriculture, our business and most profit generating institutions, for short term monitory gains and basically pure greed. They need to learn that nothing in life is for free. If you want to have what the white man has, then work hard and smart like he has. Simply wanting to steal his wealth and the rewards of a lifetime of work, is not a long term solution.

      Frikkie - 2012-02-25 07:18

      Brother, that is part of it, but not all of it. The white people that remain in this country would not have anything against black people, if black people stopped murdering and raping our folk. Even if the govt does not want to do something about it, let us protect ourselves. Even that has been taken away from us. This is what the issue is, that the majority of black people applaud when a white person is killed. I was attacked once and I ended up disarming the guy and I stabbed him with his own knife. This was at the train station. Within 2 mins I had 100 people (who looked like ordinary, everyday, working black people) trying to kill me. If it was not for the police who were there I would be dead. What for... defending myself against someone that wanted to kill me. This is the big issue. Crime, Murder, Rape. If we are safe, like we were in the past... and we can raise our children in peace.... there will be no issues. But it's a case of "you guys stick together" so then "we will stick together" You sould like an awesome person and I am proud to call you my fellow human being. Defeat crime and you will defeat white racism. Easy as that. If the powers that be, can not do it... then ask for help. There are hundreds of thouands of highly qualified and patriotic white cops,lawyers, investigators, administrators etc, just waiting to serve the govt... but we are excluded because the ANC wants "yes men"to push through the agenda of the few who are here to enrich themselves

  • ISO - 2012-02-24 21:37

    Charging one man is not going to change the way we look at each other. We as South Africans should work toghether to make this a better country for us all. No one is better than the other and this is the way the Lord made us! He gave this earth too all human beings to live in harmany and in peace!

      Frikkie - 2012-02-25 07:08

      If he does not want to lead by example, we will lead him by example.

      Shirley - 2012-02-25 12:13

      Um he is the president and supposed to lead by example!!!

  • Richard - 2012-02-24 22:01

    ai

  • frikkie.botes - 2012-02-24 22:16

    All the negative comments will only come from papvreters who have no idea who is trhe nation that provide the pap on their table. SA has over 48 million mouths to feed due to the boernation. All other african countries where the whiteman left are starving and they all migrated to SA where the whiteman still put pap on their table. Look at the average black population where there is no more whites and no pap to eat, ranging between 2 million and 15 million. Zims,Mossies, kongos,cameroonians, nigerians, somalians, all in SA , why? because of the pap the Boer provides. If the Boer withdraw , millions of you will eat flies for protein like in Ethiopia and Somalia. Time to start respecting the whites again. And for the Boer nation, do you really know the power you have? We as the Boer nation can really shake this continent if we will only get up and start doing so.

      swanepoeljm - 2012-02-24 23:06

      @ Frikkie and with our Saviour on our side He will not only shake the world, He's going to shake the Heaven's and remember it is the same Saviour that saved us at Bloodriver.

      Johnathon - 2012-02-24 23:07

      Well said Frikkie. Kill the golden goose that puts food on the nations tables, and it will be back to round thatched mud houses, with small mielie fields and couple of goats. All the rusting and totally stuffed Amabenzi's and Beemers will make wonderful chicken coops. The now totally useless cell phones can be all strung together and worn around womans necks as a new African fashion trend.The big advantage though, is that the gap between the haves and the have nots will be completely wiped out.Everyone will live in the same degree of abject poverty and filth. No more need to be jealous of your neighbours.The African dream will have finally been fulfilled.

      Michael - 2012-02-25 02:00

      smoke in moderation! African countries are rising now, look at innovation in kenya, Nigeria etc, this dumb mentality of superiority among races is the problem, Africa will be just fine, @frikkie botes, in tropical Africa there is no large scale farming and no famine, oh ye who can feed the continent. Respect the boer? lets see the world survive without resources from Africa

  • Attie - 2012-02-25 05:38

    the sooner people stop seeing color as an excuse the better this country will become. it only happens in africa. furthermore stop living in the past as it is water under the bridge, but the a n c still pushes the past down their supporters throats.

      Craig - 2012-02-25 10:16

      no ,alot of blacks in the u.s and u.k are still very touchy,all those still stuck in the hood etc.still blame slavery and all...

  • Frikkie - 2012-02-25 06:16

    I cant believe Zuma sang that song. Shame on you !!

      Frikkie - 2012-02-25 07:02

      Yes, "us guys" are full of noise.... becase "you guys" are murdering and raping our old defensless people and women. A man can not even break down on the freeway without being attacked and murdered for a few rands. Yes, I believe "us guys" have a valid reason to "make noise" and I have not even touched upon the disgusting state of affairs where we have to pay for the tens of millions of illigitemate children, born to parents who, quite frankly, are not quite ready to have children as they can not support them.

      Frikkie - 2012-02-25 07:05

      and another thing. A white guy cant even call a black guy a "twat", even if he is... without the race card being pulled.... however you somehow try and justify that it is fine to sing about shooting Boere. What kind, ekse !!

      Jessica Wright - 2012-02-25 08:32

      In what country is it ok to sing a song that calls for genocide? In whose right mind is it ok to laugh about murdering a minority? Apparently majority of our population are insane. Can you imagine obama getting up on stage and singing kill the farmers, kill the farmers? Please, africa is the only place you see such pathetic backward antics. It is a circus, absolutely laughable.

  • Utopian - 2012-02-25 07:07

    At least someone is doing something. I hope he has gone to the trouble of gathering the abundant evidence that is available on all those charges. It is a pity and a shame that the mainstream opposition are too chicken to lay these charges, and that a fringe group had to do it. It is also a pity and a shame that government feigns unawareness of these real problems. It is, finally, a pity that the courts are too racially biased, intimidated and under-capacitated to really deal properly with this.

  • Tumelo More - 2012-02-25 08:00

    We should change this country's name back to Azania.We still have a lot of angry souls living among us they even teach their kids to grin when they see a black person.Believe me,not all white people are sad souls but there are folks that see themselves as premium citizen of this country,how pathetic 'gaan slaap mense'

  • Luvo - 2012-02-25 08:06

    Birds of a feather flock together, Andries Visagie and ET's brother. I couldn't help getting depressed reading the charges this group laid against the president and Nathi Mthethwa. This case will get scrapped of the roll and no sane judge would listen to this claptrap from these delusional white supremacists.

  • Gerhardus - 2012-02-25 08:23

    Those right wingers give new meaning to the word stupid. Once their group reach 20 members one of them will break away to form a new party. Bunch of clowns, lol!

      Sharon - 2012-02-25 09:02

      And they all got to share one horse

  • Joey - 2012-02-25 08:36

    Zuma is idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Obakeng Molobi - 2012-02-25 08:54

    By all means, take him 2 court for all the wrong things he has done. My concern is the 'ANC govt discriminated against the boer youth "in that they are deliberately excluded from employment in the government [and] private sector". There is a perception that if you are Black it's easy 2 get a job/ you are guaranteed a job and it's not true since most of us are still struggling to find jobs. Maybe we are not politically conncected enough...or not Black enough. Unemployement seems to be affecting all races Mr Visagie.

  • matome.matlakala1 - 2012-02-25 09:20

    Go visagie jy staan op vir ons wit ras en niemand aders wil nie!!!!!Mense kan maar se wat hulle wil gan op youtube dan kyk julle HIS BIG WHITE SELF en THE LEADER AND HIS DRIVER dan sal julle weet wat hy probeer doen