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Hate speech ruling: ANCYL to appeal

2011-09-14 14:45

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League will appeal against a ruling that the song "awudubule ibhunu" (shoot the boer) is hate speech, secretary-general Sindiso Magaqa said on Wednesday.

The judgment favoured a minority in the country, he told reporters in Johannesburg.

"The minorities continue to control South African courts and control South Africa's majority."

Magaqa said the ANC Youth League intended taking the matter all the way to the Constitutional Court to have the anti-apartheid song unbanned.

AfriForum Youth laid a civil complaint with the Equality Court against league president Julius Malema for singing the words, saying they made minorities and farmers feel threatened.

Judge Colin Lamont ruled on Monday that the song constituted hate speech.

Comments
  • pop101 - 2011-09-14 14:48

    Mmmmkaaaay!

      Bailey G - 2011-09-14 14:52

      Doesnt Sindiso Magaqa have one of those proper "moer-my gesigs"? Every time Juju's little puppet opens his mouth i feel the sudden urge to slap his silly little acne face...

      Vullis - 2011-09-14 14:53

      ha ha ha ha ha It is I Ven-ee-cular. ha ha ha ha ha i am going to bite you!

      Servaas - 2011-09-14 14:57

      "The minorities continue to control South African courts and control South Africa's majority." Truly no help for their stupidity, listened to the statement on 5Fm. He can barely speak English. You cant help laughing at them.

      Together - 2011-09-14 15:00

      this is my 'surprised' face :O

      MWF - 2011-09-14 15:02

      Translation: The whites control the courts and the country and this is why they lost. Really? Last I checked the ANC had been in power for 17 years and apartheid was stopped by the referendum some 28 years ago. Last I checked our constitution states that speech that lends to hate and the talk of killing enmass is "hate speach". If a white guy was on trial for singing "shoot the Ka$$$$" I can assure you he would be under the same ruling. Except you guys wouldnt be running around saying its an unfair ruling as the "blacks rule SA". Conclusion: If the whites are indeed in control of everything still, 1. Malema would be dead. 2. BEE would not longer be in effect. 3. The death penalty would be brought back. 4. Criminals would actually serve their sentences and not be released over and over again to re-commit. 5. Unemployment would not be anywhere NEAR what it is today (so much for year of the jobs hey Mr. Zuma). 6. You would have to WORK for your house and electricity... This list could go on all day...

      willieman - 2011-09-14 15:06

      Indeed we do not have leaders in this country how can we waste so much time on this petty issue which is not going to improve the education,economy of this country.This issue is polarising this nation.We should be spending time on issues that will make this country competetive on world stage.We need to be discussing about how can we move away from been consumers to producers.This is issue of this song is busy dragging us,we not moving forward.Please lets discuss about the REAL issues,education,economy,crime,uniting this nation so on and so forth, ga!!! madoda

      John Right - 2011-09-14 15:12

      "The judgment favoured a minority in the country, he told reporters in Johannesburg" Ohhhhh I get it. Just because were the minority means we have to be unfairly treated and we can be threatened and not even whats right or wrong will stop you. I'm glad we all learnt this out of of this because the rest of the world sees how rasist you really are.

      JohannV - 2011-09-14 15:14

      So just because they're a majority makes it OK? A minority has no rights then? OK, this reminds me of the Jews and Hutus and other minorities in history...

      chan chan - 2011-09-14 15:26

      this is the most screwed up picture iv ever looked at, the minority pay the majority of the tax which is used to screw and scare the minority out of the country .... in term we are funding our own destruction !! the ANC has proved to us over and over again that we have no choice or say on how our tax is spent. and now they spending OUR money to pay for these court cases just to show the minority the dont care about us !! WHY DO WE CARRY ON FUNDING THEM ?? we need to formulate a plan !! who thinks i should develop a whites interests web site to unite us ??

      cliffarc - 2011-09-14 15:34

      - All the more reason the judgement was correct. Around the world the protection of minority rights is sacrosanct. This is a clear and ominous sign of genocidal intent against whites by these morons.

      pewpewpew - 2011-09-14 15:39

      WTF so what if it favors a minority... hate speech is still hate speech.thats like saying we can steal,rape and kill cuz wethe mojority? stfu and gtfo.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-14 15:52

      - Chan chan - good point - They want our taxes and want to kill us at the same time. A situation such as this is unprecedented and could only happen in this screwed up country. I would suggest , that given this genocidal behaviour, all whites may well qualify for refugee status in certain countries. Then they can enjoy their banana republic all by themselves.

      IC1 - 2011-09-14 16:03

      @Chan Chan: Good point you have there. Quest for the country: What would the impact be if: 1.The whites stopped paying taxes (apart from being locked up, but thats impractical) 2.All the whites took a sabbatical for 3 months, i.e. stopped work altogether, closed their businesses down, stopped farming, whatever. Just a question

      chan chan - 2011-09-14 16:21

      @IC1 there is a better solution, what we need is private companys to look after our areas - provide security and maintenance of our basic need. this way we can still live our normal lifes and starve the government of its funds, it will take a good few months for them to start feeling the pressure and on a large scale there is nothing they can do about it. but ultimately we need to take over our taxes, we need reports on where the money is being spent, how much is coming in and have a saving facility for large future expenses, and the ability to remove the company in charge of our funds with immediate effect !!

      mmargot1 - 2011-09-14 18:44

      they act like the spoilt brats that they are!!!!!

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-14 21:37

      Should minorities then have rampant population growth till they become a majority so that their opinion matters? They are being accused of inciting genocide, they should be ashamed that it has come to this. Stop this bloody song!

  • Sammy - 2011-09-14 14:49

    Another predictable move from these clowns!

      sheep - 2011-09-14 14:56

      we will never blink when we defend our heritage, the struggle cannot be undermined by the minority.

      Welleducated - 2011-09-14 15:03

      They are not clowns, cloens are fun and have brains. The ANCYL are just plain racists with no respect for anyone.

      Yomar Sapus - 2011-09-14 15:03

      sheet,stupidman YAAAAWWWNNN!!!

      ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-14 15:04

      @ sheep: I'm glad that you chose a name that represents your purpose in life. to follow like a sheep regardless of what is being said. i have asked this question many times and no one's answered me...what would your reaction have been if we were singing "kill the black"? READ for pete's sake: your "leader" wasn't using it in the correct context...he sang it to incite violence, not to remember the apartheid days...THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE

      Servaas - 2011-09-14 15:04

      @Sheep: Your heritage? So that being either singing silly songs, toyi-toying and making a nuisance of yourself or murder? No one takes any ANCYL clown serious @Smart Man: LOL at your name and LOL LOL LOL at your statement!

      Foxx - 2011-09-14 15:08

      @ Sheep and the majority cannot undermind the minority. Thw ANCYL are bunch idiots, who do not have the knowledge, brain and the intelect to say something the makes sense. As I am aware this song only started in the 90's so what f*cking herirage are you talking about.

      sheep - 2011-09-14 15:08

      @together, we are all striving for a peaceful living but whites refuse to give up our natural resouces, which include but not limited to minierals beneath the soil, land, and all other strategic economic sectors,. until such time we take what belong to us n South African returns to the true sons of the soil, we will never live in harmony. Aluta Continua.

      sheep - 2011-09-14 15:11

      Dubulu ibhunu is part of our struggle n the struggle still continues, why do the minority want to undermine the struggle. the minority have got no say cause the struggle to them is only theory. only true sons of the soil know about our struggle. until the white monopoly relingquish our resources and stop stealing from us, the stugghle will continue.

      Sense_123 - 2011-09-14 15:14

      @ smartman - the same ANCYL that act like barberians and destroy everything. The youth clearly need to get an education - why dont you ask Malema for a school.

      Together - 2011-09-14 15:16

      I agree sheep - and the majority of SA want a stable, peaceful, progressive, safe, prosperous, employed, properly-managed and educated country. So, I am with the majority – that's what we want to work towards.

      Disappointed - 2011-09-14 15:17

      @sheep, your names explains it all. sheep, follow. they dont have minds of their own. they will instead follow a shepard thats leading them to the egde of a cliff. k thanks. thats all. If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.

      Worker - 2011-09-14 15:19

      sheep - the only real struggle left is for true democracy, true freedom and true equality, NOT this "some are more equal than others". This is merely a repeat of what went before - and we rightly called that racism. Wake up to what faces SA - it is NOT about skin colour, it IS about building a future NOT based on the past or hate, and equal, free and democratic prosperous country, respected by the world.

      HiJack - 2011-09-14 15:20

      @sheep. You MUST be a bored white guy looking for attention, because even a 10% educated black cannot be that stupid. So whites must just GIVE you everything. Before the white man taught you the words "ECONOMIC SECTOR" you didn't even know what it was. We built it up, and now you just demand? Bwahahahahaa!!! What struggle is this you speak of? The struggle to get black kids to go to school and finish it? Or the stuggle to raise 9 kids when you can't even feed yourself? Or the stuggle to understand that you can't get jobs without a tiny bit of experience or education? You have NO idea how the world works my friend. You are nothing but an unfortunate inconvenience in the history of the civilized world.

      Shrek - 2011-09-14 15:21

      @ Sheep, for f&%k sakes dwis, when are you going to realize that the strugle has been won and is actually over???

      Worker - 2011-09-14 15:21

      Smart Man - are you so smart that you are fooled by fools who act like clowns? Wake up - look at them - they are using "the masses" just like Hitler with his hate speech that inflamed the country and cause the deaths of many millions of innocent people. You will not gain any real advantage, they will toss you aside when they achieve their own ends.

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-14 15:22

      Sheep the only struggle you have is getting that cockroach back on its ball, its not hard if you use Vaseline, i promise my brother! ;))))

      dwmllr - 2011-09-14 15:24

      @sheep Struggle struggle struggle ... if you are still struggling its only your fault! You get everything for free these days sheep but when you have it what do you do with it?? We all know what becomes of productive farms that are 'redistributed' to you 'sons of the soil' ... the struggle is in your head but you prefer to stay stuck in the rut you are in cause the other option means you have to WORK, and that does not go down well with you 'sons of the soil'

      JM - 2011-09-14 15:25

      @Sheep – True sons of the soil. You are ill informed. Latest DNA research proves you wrong. Africa's black people are originally from the Niger/ Congo region. Google - James Wilmot DNA Research. This country does not belong to the blacks. All people living on this land are settlers. The sad thing is the ANC does not stick to their own freedom charter which states that SA belongs to all. In the end the truth will prevail. You and your friends are in for one hell of a surprise.

      Embee - 2011-09-14 15:26

      @sheep. I believe that a new struggle is about to begin. Our (white) struggle is to survive in a country where you (and like-minded individuals) appear to accept that a song calling for the murder of human beings is acceptable. The white struggle songs may therefore include a line like "kill the *insert party/race group here*, they rape". And this song will form part of our struggle...so by virtue of your argument, we will be allowed to sing it???

      Pixie1984 - 2011-09-14 15:26

      @sheep someone is pulling the wool over your eyes... no-one is refusing to give up anything. go read http://www.fin24.com/Business/Survey-dispells-BEE-myth-20060702. Besides, to quote you "true sons of the soil" do you even know what to do with a patch of land if someone gave it to you? Why do you think they are selling it back to the whites? I think your just saying this crap because everyone else in the ANCYL is... you have no real idea of what is going on..

      GT - 2011-09-14 15:28

      The constitution protects minorities. SHEEP - is there a problem with not wanting to be killed?

      Almaki - 2011-09-14 15:46

      How long will it take all of you to realise that "sheep" is simply a stirring troll? Come on, his nickname is sheep, and his slogan reads as looting continuing? Meh..

      Riëtte - 2011-09-14 16:11

      @ sheep, please explain how white people are stealing from by you by paying taxes that is your government grants, growing the food that stuffs your faces (go look at your esteemed leader chubby cheeks, he sure as hell ain't struggling)???? You have this stupid idea that whites control everything and share nothing - wake up and smell the reality!

  • ErrolNdevu - 2011-09-14 14:49

    whateva julius! you genocidal dog!

      BadBoy79 - 2011-09-14 14:59

      I am so glad to see people in the country that can stand together for what is right, no matter of race, language or religious beliefs. That is what South Africa should be about. Everyone living together in peace.

  • ErrolNdevu - 2011-09-14 14:50

    julius is a cocconut

      Vullis - 2011-09-14 14:53

      ha ha ha ha ha It is I Ven-ee-cular. ha ha ha ha ha i am going to bite you!

      MWF - 2011-09-14 14:54

      He wishes he was white on the inside.

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-14 15:13

      No, he is a municipal garbage bag. Black on the outside, full of crap on the inside.

      Sou4lJah - 2011-09-15 08:22

      People, Errol is a Schitzo!, yesterday he was apluading Juilius and chanting war against the whites and today he's Michael Jackson! Dont believe anything this bugger says....he is truly not well.

  • Braddle - 2011-09-14 14:50

    Round 3

      sheep - 2011-09-14 14:57

      if needs be it will have to go to the constitutional court. we are of the view that a sober judge would have come up with a sober judgement. Aluta Continua

      Bailey G - 2011-09-14 14:59

      Name says it all Sheep... Name says it all..

      Vullis - 2011-09-14 15:05

      welcome back sheep

      Buic Unix - 2011-09-14 15:05

      @Bailey G>>cant argue with that mate, name does say it all, in a case of the blind leading the blinds...

      ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-14 15:05

      @ sheep: a good thing moegoe moegoe was appointed then...

      Sense_123 - 2011-09-14 15:11

      @ sheep - sober judge ? man where do you come from go back to your farm

      John Right - 2011-09-14 15:19

      @sheep ... So just because the judge was white its wrong. You're a rasist black sheep. So you want to take this to Moegoeng that condones marital rape because its the wife's duty and says a rapist raping a child get less of a sentence because he was being gentle to the child he raped..... ARE YOU FCKING KIDDING ME !!! ?

      Disappointed - 2011-09-14 15:22

      @sheep. bla bla bla.just carry on bleating like the name you are. i wonder if you were sober whilst choosing your name. or atleast sober whilst choosing to follow the ancyl. to me it appears as if you weren't. sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.

      Janco - 2011-09-14 15:26

      The taxpayer's money at work .... FML. Why not just take this to the International Court and get it over with?

      bytejuggler - 2011-09-14 15:28

      @Sheep: I'll respond to you with a response that was proffered a while ago by one Zenzele (which would no doubt have similar views to yours) in connection with the presidential "assault" case recently, and which perfectly demonstrates the lack of objectivity displayed by you and the ANC in general w.r.t. this issue: Posted by Zenzele on July 27, 2011 at 21:06: "Anyone who understand the legal system knows that what this man has done i.e , it does't matter whether its a President or not, he has committed a crime if his actions were proven in court. As long the complanaint lays a charge, one has to go through the due process of the law regardless the victim's status. If he thinks he has been unfairly convicted he can make an appeal. He must stop crying like a baby, we are all responsible for our actions. He should have thought of the consequences of his actions before acting. "

      Pixie1984 - 2011-09-14 15:29

      ignore sheep guys, he thrives on the attention. He has the same opinion as the rest of the brainless twats in the ANCYL... any judge that delivers a ruling other than what they want will have something wrong with him..

      Almaki - 2011-09-14 15:46

      How long will it take all of you to realise that "sheep" is simply a stirring troll? Come on, his nickname is sheep, and his slogan reads as looting continuing? Meh..

      pants - 2011-09-14 16:05

      Sheep.... what then? when the constitutional court finds it hate speech?

  • Reality_Check - 2011-09-14 14:50

    "The minorities continue to control South African courts and control South Africa's majority." so no minority is allowed to have justice?? The law isnt a democratic process thankfully. We are all (supposed to be) equal under it. Gosh

      Molemi - 2011-09-14 14:52

      You should be asking yourself why is that minority control so much and that has be rectfied

      Bailey G - 2011-09-14 15:02

      Has it ever occured to you Molemi that the miority have so much because they dont sit on their backsides and expect handouts like the majority? Hence the reason we have so much and will continue to have so much wherever we go... You have a serious case of Africa syndrome my friend.

      Reality_Check - 2011-09-14 15:02

      No one should be above the law, no matter what race or demographic they are.

      frans.visserdsb - 2011-09-14 15:06

      Agreed - the law is there to protect the individual's rights, not a minority or majority... The last time a country tried to protect the majority from 'exploitation' by a minority through legislation on a racial basis, 6 million Jews died. Hate speech isanything which incite hatred on the basis of race, religion or sexual orientation...

      ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-14 15:14

      @ molemi: it truly is amazing how the MAJORITY still feels intimidated by the MINORITY...it has been rectified, or at least as far as your supposed "leaders" can. It ain't our fault that your "leaders" are useless. the statements of the youth league proves that. i'll ask you the same question: what would your reaction be if we start singing "kill the black"?

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-14 15:16

      They say the hate speech is OK because it's a majority doing it against a minority? Anyone else see the irony in that? In any other country this would be the No. 1 reason why it would be classified as hate speech. But not in sunny South Africa, no-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!

      Disappointed - 2011-09-14 15:25

      Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. molemi. have you seeen that most of the majority are standing at robots. and has zuma done anything about that. next time the majority ask me for a cigarette or cash my answer will be... go ask malema or zuma. i am sure they'll help you.

      GT - 2011-09-14 15:37

      Molemi- would you squash all minorities for the sake of the majority? Think about it before you answer.

  • Fedup - 2011-09-14 14:51

    Cry me a river ANCYL. IDIOTS

      Bailey G - 2011-09-14 14:54

      Cry me a river, build a bridge..... and then get over it.. What a bunch of uneducated fools...

  • koertk - 2011-09-14 14:51

    Ever heard of "democracy"? Democratic theory dictates that minority rights be specifically addressed within the majority rule... "The ruling favours a minority"? So what! The ruling followed the rules of law!

      claudevn - 2011-09-14 15:51

      And there is the definition i was referring to :) Thanks Koertk!

  • The_Librarian2 - 2011-09-14 14:52

    So hate speech is OK as long as it's against a minority?

      John Right - 2011-09-14 15:22

      Yes ... that's what they said.

      claudevn - 2011-09-14 15:41

      It appears so... half a dosen of the one, 6 of the other i guess... Constitution is only valid to them when it protects THEM ONLY as PDI's?... Someone should have a seminar hosted for the ANC on the definition of "Democracy"... Protection to ALL under the constution! The constitutional court rules in favor of RIGHT over WRONG... not Minorities vs Majorities Mr JUJU... lol

  • Bennie - 2011-09-14 14:52

    If you have PAP for brains you will argue that , The diccesion was made on right or wrong not who has the most idiots who think its OK.

  • pynappel - 2011-09-14 14:52

    what is it with you and minority!??!? You are so fixated on being the mayority that you miss the point ... do you feel threatened by die minority??? SA is the rainbow nation for all, the words "shoot the boer" does NOT have a place in SA today just the same as the banned K word. Accept it and move on !!!!!

      Black Sense - 2011-09-14 14:59

      K word is not banned.

      Black Sense - 2011-09-14 15:12

      I will restate a fact that cant be challenged no matter how unpleasant. The K word is not banned. Its perfectly legal. The Vierkleur is not banned. Perfectly legal. The Old South African flag is not banned. Perfectly legal.

      ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-14 15:22

      @ Black Sense: the K word, the vierkleur and old SA flag don't instruct to kill the minority...the song does.

      Black Sense - 2011-09-14 15:24

      Dene Smuts of the DA gets and yet its lost on so many. Freedom of speech is the loser in the Judges ruling. Does that make Malema less reprehensible? No. But if you are a democrat, which Dene Smuts is, you cant celebrate the banning of songs. The judge could easily have nailed Malema and contributed to the ceasing of the singing of the song through social censure. If someone shows up at a Springbok world cup match waving the old SA flag, he breaks no law. But the social censure would let him know that the message he is communicating is out of line. That is how the song should be dealt with. The judge lost the plot.

      Black Sense - 2011-09-14 15:32

      As for all the thumbs down. I respect your freedom of speech. How about actually saying something in response and lets see if there is merit in your argument. Otherwise lets stay faithfull to the truth.

      GT - 2011-09-14 15:38

      No, but it will cause you to loose your job and face criminal penalties. Saying that you are going to shoot someone seems to be a rally cry and that scares the sh1t out of those people. Gettit?

      Die Baas - 2011-09-14 16:19

      JulyArse is the minority, what percentage of us has the financial means that he possesses? He's just racist and an instigator. His goal is ONLY his own further enrichment.

      Black Sense - 2011-09-14 16:25

      GT, I get it. Read my posts again, you missed my point. The reason you would lose your job is because your employer would be applying social censure. If you faced criminal charges they would most likely be crimen injura or similar charge due to the injury caused. Thereafter, you can go home and use the k word all you want, with the Vierkleur hanging over you bed and you would be committing no crime. Was Malema causing injury, absolutely, then prosecute him and censure him, I have no problem with that. Sentence him to 20 years hard labour, hallelujah! But ban songs? Slippery slope my friend, and very short sighted. The less space there is for freedom of speech, its the minority that will end the worse off in the long run. Why, there are that many more of the majority who will come to stand up and say hey, I found this and that offensive, Ban it. @~daisy_d~ a song doesnt instruct anything, its singer does. Best parallel I can think of is that guns dont kill, the person who pulls the trigger does. Yet guns are legal and we are busy banning songs. Judge Lamont himself said that the song communicated a totally different message when sung by Collins Chabane. When sung by Malema, its correctly called hateful. Do you see what I'm saying here? He could have nailed Malema, instead he crucified Freedom of Speech. Proverbial throwing out the baby with the bath water. Think it through.

      TMan - 2011-09-14 20:38

      @Black Sense....Do you honestly think that there aren't people who will interpret the song as an instruction to kill the boer??? It incites racism and violence. How can you argue that it will be good for this country? Give me one good explanation how this song will bring peace and prosperity in South Africa...Please just one?

      Black Sense - 2011-09-14 22:47

      TMan, if you dont want to understand my posts there is nothing I can say to help you. You ask me "How can I argue that it will be good for the country". Read what I said instead of putting words in my mouth, there is nowhere where I said its good for the country. You then ask me for an example of how this song can bring peace and prosperity in SA. READ MY POSTS AND FIND 1 PLACE WHERE I SAY THE SONG WILL BRING PEACE AND PROSPERITY AND I WILL PAY YOU R10 000. You are arguing with a straw man countering points I never made. READ!!!!!! Are there people who might think the song is an instruction to kill. Maybe there are, which is one of the reasons I believe the song shouldnt be sung anymore. READ! READ! READ! and after that, do some homework on freedom of speech, crimen injuria, social censure, limitations on the Bill of Rights, Minority Rights and related topics, then maybe I can have a dialogue with you where you TMan actually learn to understand what somebody else is saying as much as you want somebody else to understand what you say.

  • Blougroen - 2011-09-14 14:53

    So the youths that support Julius think they are a majority ???

      Die Baas - 2011-09-14 16:20

      The problem is that it's not just the youth!

  • Francois - 2011-09-14 14:53

    The fact is, it's not an anti apartheid song, it calls for a very specific group of people to be killed, nothing more.

      veryfatpig - 2011-09-14 15:23

      Of course it is an Anti Apartheid song. It has its place in our countries history as well as society today. Unfortunately people lately have been using it in a completely different context, which is wrong. But I think the ruling was wrong too. The song itself is great. The ANCYL loves provoking everyone. Comrade Julius gets a warm fuzzy feeling in his tummy every time hes in the media, and I'm sure he has a huge smile on his face reading these comments. Consider this, "The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed" Biko Obviously no one is oppressed. Comrade Julius sure knows how to work people up. Hes a clever man. Not saying I support him but, Respect..

  • reader4444@24.com - 2011-09-14 14:53

    Cry baby! Oh, just get over yourself. Or better still go play in the traffic and maybe a taxi will take you out, one time.

  • Molemi - 2011-09-14 14:53

    There we go again, AfriForum you see what you have started now

      John Right - 2011-09-14 15:27

      Ye they got justice for people like Juju being the rasist he is. And now you cry foul. Maybe when we start singing kill the K kill the N because the loot, plunder, rape, murder, corrupt and toi toi. Hopefully we ALSO get to go to court being able to sing it for 2 more years before it gets ruled its hate speech but out of common courtesy we don't sing it because we accept that we needed to change but clearly out of your animalistic ways you will never change.

      Worker - 2011-09-14 15:28

      Get real - this is a real life thing - if you were a farmer you would know, but then it could be that you want silence so that this killing can go on in the dark ?

  • Wends - 2011-09-14 14:54

    Wow!!!! Is that new Judge that has been appointed not the judge in the constitutional court? If so Zuma hand picked him. So guess what it might very likely be unbanned

  • DBZ - 2011-09-14 14:55

    haha ja makes u think hey! how can a minority control a majority, that majority must have something very wrong with its leadership. then i guess stupid is as stupid does

  • Emile - 2011-09-14 14:55

    Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? The color of your skin don't matter to me As long as we can live in harmony Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends? Why can't we be friends?

      wt_zone - 2011-09-14 14:58

      To you yes, but julius C$%T malema is a racist of note and unfortunately we have him in charge of this country and he has 1000s of idiot supporters.

  • Smart Man - 2011-09-14 14:56

    That's what real comrade do, Yes ANCYL

      Servaas - 2011-09-14 15:20

      Comrade? You idiots heard the word and thought, Eish, those Russians sound tooo clever when they say that.. And now we are stuck with parrots like the ANCYL thinking they sound toooo clever when they use it. Comprende Comrade? Bwa ha ha ha ha. Oh boy you lot are a joke.

  • sarecen - 2011-09-14 14:56

    thats so predictable, that all they can wrap their little minds around, pity we trying to build a country, but the bricks are of such poor quality, maby another 5000 years of evolution is needed.

  • Wondering - 2011-09-14 14:57

    Darren Scott says the K word and gets into trouble and yet when Malema sings a song about shoooting farmers its alright according to the ANCYL is that right I think not I hope they leave the ban in place

      Harvey - 2011-09-14 18:44

      Darren Scott also apologized, admitted he was wrong and resigned because he knew he was wrong! He was drunk at the time but didn't use that as an excuse. What a difference.

  • Tokoloshelover - 2011-09-14 14:57

    Just so that I'm clear, if you are a minority you have no rights and should receive no protection from the law? Justice should be fair regardless of whether you are a minority or are part of the majority.

  • BadBoy79 - 2011-09-14 14:57

    Constitutional issues, Racism etc is not an issue of majority rule. If the majority decide to kill, plunder, murder and spit on each other does that make it right? NO. The constitution is their to protect the minority and majority. The ruling is not about changing the ANC or the country history, but to stop the fueling of racism, race hate and racist comments.

  • Bufster - 2011-09-14 14:57

    If only women getting raped everyday would get this much attention.

  • Ron - 2011-09-14 14:58

    What if there was a song called "shoot the blacks" ? Wouldn't that be hate speech? What if the constitutional court unbanned use of the K-word? Wouldn't that be hate speech? How can ANCYL not realise this?

      Shistirrer - 2011-09-14 15:22

      If they claim it's part of their heritage, I'm sure that whites can sing a song including the phrase "Skiet die k....s" - I'd be VERY surprised if those exact words were not uttered at least once at the Battle of Blood River.

  • sarecen - 2011-09-14 14:58

    lets make a deal? we can use the k word and you can sing your little song? sounds so pathetic

  • willieman - 2011-09-14 14:59

    Indeed we do not have leaders in this country how can we waste so much time on this petty issue which is not going to improve the education,economy of this country.This issue is polarising this nation.We should be spending time on issues that will make this country competetive on world stage.We need to be discussing about how can we move away from been consumers to producers.This is issue of this song is busy dragging us,we not moving forward.Please lets discuss about the REAL issues,education,economy,crime,uniting this nation so on and so forth, ga!!! madoda

      BafoonSpotter - 2011-09-14 15:58

      AMEN to the voice of reason

  • Bradley Hancock - 2011-09-14 15:00

    Of course it favours a minority. Apartheid doesn't exist any more, things are different now. In a country where affirmative action and such systems exist there needs to be some kind of protection for the minority. If there is none, well, what is the point of living in the country you call home when you aren't even protected by your own government?

  • waine - 2011-09-14 15:00

    Keep waving the Banana Republic flag high ANCYL!

  • Nepster10 - 2011-09-14 15:01

    "The minorities continue to control South African courts and control South Africa's majority." what kind of thinking is that? Are you saying that even if you commit a crime you should not be judged by some one from a minority group? Or is it that some one from a minority group should let you continue to commit crimes because they are fewer?

  • IC1 - 2011-09-14 15:01

    Wow, how surprising, that took a lot of deliberation and analyses!!!

  • Justin - 2011-09-14 15:03

    This is a new SA, lets build together, not break down and divide. Thats exacly what that song encites.

  • ajcvdw - 2011-09-14 15:04

    Hoedemoer?! So what if it favours a minority?! Minorities are equally protected by the constitution!

  • Tassenberg - 2011-09-14 15:04

    Okay, you do that if you like to waste money on a stupid song. I just think you're going to lose again, because if you win then it might give some people the right to using the n word and the k word again. The courts are there to protect the rights of all even minorities. If you win the case in the constitutional court it will also mean that the constitutional court is biased and favouring majorities. See what I did there. It will also mean that the constitution isn't worth the paper is written on and will just show the world the total disrespect the ANCYL has for their fellow South-Africans.

      Tassenberg - 2011-09-14 15:15

      Also, if they win it means that the minorities can start singing "Die Stem" again at rugby matches over the anthem, without caring, the old flag can be waved around again at events and can't just be banned from stadium, for it will be unconstitutional.

      GT - 2011-09-14 15:59

      You could do that, but then you would just be a prick, like these mumparas at the ANCYL

      Tassenberg - 2011-09-14 16:11

      @GT That's why I said the minorities, as I think most people that want to go back to those time is a minority, the rest of us just wants to build a nation where everyone is equal, and where people get reprimanded for hate statements. It is just totally funny to me that the ANC can lay charges against him for saying change is needed in another country, but they can't really take a firm action on this and say "Hey we are striving for ubuntu and building this nation together so we should respect our fellow South-Africans". It just says a lot about the ANC and their respect toward other people. I don't use derogatory terms toward my fellow South-Africans, I will expect the same courtesy back.

  • willieman - 2011-09-14 15:04

    "The minorities continue to control South African courts and control South Africa's majority." This is 100% puke.if this is the case then take this matter to Concourt.This nonsense of talking about the minority now and then without any backing is REAL recipe for genocide.Get it into your head Mr Sindiso Magaqa

  • Big Koos - 2011-09-14 15:05

    majority cannot use their brains when they open their mouth that why the minority is evertime winning. Stop eating mealie pap not good for the brains

  • JH - 2011-09-14 15:06

    Can someone please tell me how this judgement favours the minority when they are actually singing of killing the minority? I find it very hard to understand. Do they now say it is beneficial for the minority to be encouraged by the majority to be killed? How does it favour the minority in any way??

  • Sense_123 - 2011-09-14 15:07

    LOL - Malema is fighting this ruling so he can promote racism. Just sing another song and get over it.

  • McFreak - 2011-09-14 15:07

    The rest of the world is watching. Waiting to invest or disinvest. Three guesses what their decision will be? Well done Julius! You will eventually 'misappropriate' and empty shell!

  • frans.visserdsb - 2011-09-14 15:09

    The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities. Ayn Rand

  • Cynic - 2011-09-14 15:10

    Is that not the whole point? It endangers the lives of a minority? I wonder what the highest level of education is of any ANCYL member. My bet is grade 11.

  • AntiRacist - 2011-09-14 15:11

    Another case lost by the ANCYL and we the tax payer will fit the bill!

  • whatsinaname - 2011-09-14 15:11

    Nice. This will be one of Moegoeng Moegoeng's cases when it ends up in the ConCourt. I bet he will be supporting the majority on this one. Nice timing for his appointment!

  • Kieron - 2011-09-14 15:12

    I have half a legal brain being an attorney and studying all the facets of our legal system... there are far smarter arguments against the judgment then "supporting the minority". The law will always aim to side on the merits and not with the number supporting an application. They will have to provide reasons for their appeal and this one lacks intuition within the realms in which they are dealing. Just in case they read this they may want to take a stab and mentioning something around the broad nature of the ruling... but hey im the minority so they would view this as prejudicial. I love my country, I wish that all bad apples would stop manipulating the vulnerable. So much value add is required from all spheres of society, we not in a boxing ring... we are on the same side. I know its simplistic of me to think this way but hey it gives me hope. PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN

      David - 2011-09-14 20:31

      Well said, Kieron. Proudly South African with you there.

  • patrickb - 2011-09-14 15:12

    "because it favours a minority" Absolutely brilliant logic.........

  • Just Asking - 2011-09-14 15:12

    Is'nt this strange. Did'nt they UNDERSTAND the FULL judgement. The courts are there to protect the minority against the majority. Did'nt the president advise the majority to start creating JOBS at the BMF. The majority must stop busy wanting what they did NOT create and start being productive

  • Worker - 2011-09-14 15:13

    So - according to the ANCYL - if you are a minority you can have anything said about you, threatened and it is not wrong ? The law should apply to ALL equally - is that not what the ANC originally fought for ? Now we see the TRUTH behind the facade of equality that they espoused ! Rats have more backbone!

  • BafoonSpotter - 2011-09-14 15:14

    oh *yaaaaawn* so very very predictable.. seriously, does the ANCYL NOT have enough priority issues to be wasting money on? How will wasting more money and time on this help the thousands of unemployed youths find jobs? Instead of inciting young people to violence, rather equip them for a proper future you morons!

  • John Jameson - 2011-09-14 15:14

    The court favoured the minorities because they are on the right side of the law. But the ANCYL cannot see right from wrong, only black from white. A majority vote doesn't give the ANC the right to break the law, but try explaining that to the ANC junior league and you get imbecilic comments like these.

  • JC - 2011-09-14 15:14

    Wow, what bad reasoning behind an appeal... The law is there so that everyone can be protected, even the minorities. It's fine if they want to appeal, but just get a good reason behind it? That's like saying "Don't worry about minorities being killed, only worry if someone from the majority gets killed"... O wait, now I see... Nevermind.