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Hotel secrecy a safety issue - Manyi

2011-09-08 21:35

Cape Town - Ministers could not answer questions about their use of hotels as such detail could be used to "ambush" them, government spokesman Jimmy Manyi said on Thursday.

"It is indeed a security issue and it would be quite frankly irresponsible for ministers to put in on [a] website," Manyi told a regular post-Cabinet briefing in Cape Town.

"It would be a serious, serious breach of security."

He said Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe had at Wednesday's Cabinet meeting reiterated a call to ministers to answer written parliamentary questions timeously.

The media asked why ministers were citing security reasons for declining to respond to questions from the opposition aimed at establishing how taxpayers' money was spent on travel and accommodation.

Water and Environment Affairs Minister Edna Molewa and State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele recently did so in response to questions from the Democratic Alliance.

Last year, the defence ministry declined to give details of President Jacob Zuma's local and international flights since he took office, stating that this could put his life at risk.

Criss-crossing the country

Manyi said even if the information being requested was old, it could still be of use to criminals planning to attack members of the executive, and could therefore not be made public.

"The issue here is that where two years ago, up to the same date, the minister keeps going to the same place, they are mapping out a clear roadmap for what criminals should do, because we are saying here is the predictable situation," he said.

"So if you want to do an ambush why don't you target this place? This is the context."

Manyi said on such questions the minister would provide the information to Motlanthe's office, who could then share it privately with the MP who asked the question.

"If certain of the questions pose a security risk, ministers will go and tell the leader of government business what those are, so that opposition members can go to the leader of government business and check that out," Manyi said.

"So in that way the question is answered in a way that does not compromise security."

He dismissed a journalist's suggestion that if criminals were planning to attack ministers, they would more likely do so between their easily identifiable offices and official residences.

"They are forever out there in their constituencies. They are criss-crossing the country. They are never in their homes," Manyi said.

Nzimande syndrome

DA MP David Maynier, who put the questions to Molewa and Cwele and planned to ask the same information from other ministers, said he had not been told he could obtain the answers from Motlanthe's office.

He dismissed Manyi's arguments on security.

"I see no reason why a retrospective answer giving the names of hotels, the duration and the cost of the stay would endanger the ministers.

"I see it as an attempt to cover up the [higher education minister] Blade Nzimande syndrome of ministers staying in luxury hotels at great expense to the taxpayer."

It was revealed last year that Nzimande spent 15 nights in the Mount Nelson in Cape Town, one of the most luxurious hotels in the country.

Comments
  • tryanything - 2011-09-08 21:39

    Kak

      Bull Terrier - 2011-09-08 22:02

      very concise dude! :)

      TheMagician - 2011-09-08 22:19

      the secrecy billed is past and so the games begin hahahah Amandla ANC and our secret mission hahaha

      Expat - 2011-09-08 22:25

      And so it begins

      The Wonderer - 2011-09-08 22:29

      If I have been corrupt like the ANCircus, steeling tax payer's hard earned money, I'd also be afraid of some gatvol bloke somewhere wanting to take me out... It really feels like this country is on a knifes edge...it's like a ticking time bomb, a ticking that takes place as quickly as corruption takes place every second...

      Wonderboy - 2011-09-09 07:40

      They don't have to mention the hotel then, just give us the city, date, duration of stay and the cost to the taxpayer.

      AntiRacist - 2011-09-09 08:09

      @ The Magician (Our Secret Mission) ha ha ha you too stupid to be part of anything that requires brains, stop piggy backing on others ventures, Typical sheep that follows, why not try lead a bit? Guess you are limited in many aspects of life! ;))))))

      Netherlander - 2011-09-09 09:17

      TAX PAYERS MONEY!!!! South Africa is being run like a FAMILY BUSINESS!!!! SAD!

      Spyker May - 2011-09-09 10:46

      Funny how criminals always feel most threatened by other criminals...

      letsee - 2011-09-09 11:25

      The secret is hidding the shameful expenses and this is the info bill already at work.

  • Christelle - 2011-09-08 21:42

    What a joke - what a joke. And the people want to know why there is no job creation???? Because the government is too damn busy spending the taxpayers money and then time trying to dodge answering questions about their expenditure. They do not have time or money to create new jobs and then fools like Malema want to nationalise everything. What a JOKE!!!!!!!!

      Christelle - 2011-09-08 21:45

      @ Dave - same article - different portfolio............

  • Cheryl Muir - 2011-09-08 21:45

    OKAY HERE WE GO, THIS IS THE START OF IT . (AFC) AFRICAN FRAUDULENT CONGRESS AT WORK . .....ROLLING IN THE NATIONS MONEY, SQUANDERING TAX PAYERS MONEY ....NEXT WILL B SECRET SHOPPING TRIPS TO HARRODS FOR ZUMAS WIVES IN ZUMA'S LEAR JETS ' ON SECRET TRIPS' . USELESS BUNCH OF F..CK.RS. AFRICA IS F..D UP LIKE IT IS BECAUSE OF THIS... STEAL STEAL STEAL STEAL STEALLLLLLLLLL........... AND EARN F..CK..NG BIG SALARIES AT THE SAME TIME.. GREEDY PIGS

      Happygas - 2011-09-08 21:54

      thy are really having fun,why work,the gravy train is in town

      smaelane - 2011-09-08 22:03

      I agree...!!!!!

  • Verdade - 2011-09-08 21:50

    secrecy = corruption, Strange for a red (commie) like Herr Blade Nzimande to stay at such upmarket hotels. Must have forgotten his socialist doctrine. Then again he is just a plain stupid waste of time idiot! This is not a joke! Shame on you ANC...you are abusing the taxpayers money!

  • Cheryl Muir - 2011-09-08 21:53

    what do these twats need security from? are we at war with anyone? al qaeda? IRA? WTF???... YES, thats right they need protection from the press and the nation who will reveal them for the greedy fat pigs they all are . f..k the ANC. The masses are ignorant and follow like sheep, ANC is a freedom fighting organisation, thats all they know how to do, running a country takes a F..NG brain and AT LEAST some education... I frigging hate the lot of them.. they ae pissing on Mandels legacy

      AquaticApe - 2011-09-08 22:46

      So Margaret Thatcher was right when she said that the ANC would never be able to govern a country properly!

  • Vernon - 2011-09-08 21:54

    dont need to know ... just check how many suites are taken and the no. of dark black vehicles are outside!!

  • WhiteEagle - 2011-09-08 21:55

    The Joke of the century,its no security issue because when ever they travel they anounce themselves so loudly with their blue brigade that everyone gets to know their destinations. They actually treat the public like idiots and with arrogance to top it all.

      Ogre - 2011-09-09 10:01

      I travel through SA quite a lot as I supply my products to shops in townships and have noticed that even the hard line ANC supporters are getting angry and disillusioned by the present government's lies and excesses and are starting to ask questions. Even the uneducated and the previously docile ANC supporters cannot be fooled by these idiotic statements. The Anc can fool some of their voters some of the time, but they are now pushing the limit that even staunch supporters are starting to rebel against.

  • Bill - 2011-09-08 21:57

    Bunch of thieving pricks...!

  • Scorpion - 2011-09-08 21:57

    So much for transparency. These cANCer cadres and comrades are wasting millions and nothing gets done for the people that vote them into power. Corruption and stealing seems to be a typical trait in Africa, something thats inherent, almost as if there is nothing wrong with it. The ANC knows no shame. The ANC is a criminal institution that will be the downfall of SA.

      happycamper - 2011-09-09 07:55

      cANCer...ha ha love it.

  • wajmuller - 2011-09-08 21:59

    So why do they need the heavy security? Who wants to get at them ha ha. Why do they constantly need to travel when we have technology that can enable them to have meetings(not that they really have any)via the internet? I do business that way every day and have been doing so for many years.

      rasklot - 2011-09-08 22:51

      Totally agree wajmuller. I live on an island ( size 74 square miles) and run an international business with vendors all over the globe and its all done on the internet, skype, webcams etc. We even do web training across 40 markets at one time. Yes, I do love to burn up some company money once in a while and take a trip on economy class and stay in a reasonable comfy hotel. There is no reason why ministers cannot do the same. The reason they dont is simply because they can and living large is part of the joys of being in government. Its the tax payers money, why worry. In my case, its the companies money which is what I look out for.

  • Cheryl Muir - 2011-09-08 21:59

    They , the ANC leaders are also pissing on the people living in squatter camps and the squatters are swallowing it with smiles on their faces....if ths country was educated they would put Zuma on IN JAIL and elect some one with a brain... Lets go back to the dark ages and f..k verything up so USA and UK can bail us out in 10 years time... (is the thought bubble above their heads.... victims of their OWN stupidity

      Kenno - 2011-09-09 09:38

      @Cheryl and the most bizarre part is, these MORONS will vote them back into power at the next election. They are fools and deserve the sh*t they get!

  • Langeraat - 2011-09-08 22:02

    .... and it is not yet 1 April!

  • Airwolf - 2011-09-08 22:03

    Manyi, you just can't help being a plonker. You come up with some far fetched nonsense in order to cover up the amount of tax payers money being wasted on lavish hotels by you and your buddies.

  • solly - 2011-09-08 22:06

    The biggest load of crap I've read in a long time...!!! These guys sure are neurotic about their doings - and for good reason...

  • Bettyson - 2011-09-08 22:08

    Actually its not that difficult, go to any hotel's presidential suite, your guaranteed to find an ANC cadre in it. Safety my A$$....

  • balderdash - 2011-09-08 22:08

    If government mnisters are so concerned about their personal security, why do they frequent luxury hotels that are open to the public? Surely, it would be safer for them to stay in official residences, under guard. This has to be the lamest attempt to conceal the shameless squandering of public money.

      Ex-employer - 2011-09-08 22:31

      Note it's the same luxury hotel time after time. So no rocket science to find an ANC member living the good life on the poor's expence. Anyway there is not one government official that is that important to AMBUSH, they only living in fear because they know deep down that they are only there thanks to a lot of crosses drawn by people promised the good life, that they are living. Me, in the same boat would also hide, but then again I didn't lie to the masses to get my job.

  • numbatoo - 2011-09-08 22:09

    You can't fool all of the people all of the time, or can you? They don't appear to know the difference between right & wrong, or how to generate a bottom line. Can they be getting embarrased by the huge amounts of cash they consume? Naa...

  • Ken J May - 2011-09-08 22:09

    How stupid this Manyi's must be to think any half intelligent person will swallow this S#hit!!!! Bet you his IQ starts with a comma!!!!

      Ex-employer - 2011-09-08 22:33

      Sorry Ken, zero doesn't of a comma.

  • R.Suppards - 2011-09-08 22:12

    TROUGHISM is the new game for the cANCer big wigs. SEE IF YOU CAN OUT TROUGH ME.

  • Cheryl Muir - 2011-09-08 22:21

    GREEDY FAT POLITICIANS WITH NO FUNCTION, SO THEY HAVE TO APPEAR IMPORTANT BY WEARING SMART CLOTHES, EXTRAVAGENT CARS AND HOTELS....AND THE GULLIBLE MASSES LAP IT ALL UP.... COUNTRIES LIKE BOTSWANA RE GOING TO MAKE US LOOK STUPID VERY SOON...

  • GeorgeSA - 2011-09-08 22:21

    I suppose the ambushers will use time travel to go back and ambush these money wasters!

  • Philip - 2011-09-08 22:23

    The taxpayers have the right to know how their money is spent. It's called transparency, and it happens in true democracies. This is the beginning of what the ANC want to introduce with the gagging of the press and the classification of corruption and theft by the ruling party. It's happening sooner than I thought, and the lackeys that Zuma puts in power are ruthless and don't care about the poor people out there who are being deprived of food, proper housing and education to name but a few of life essentials. This based on the greediness and gluttony of the thieves who call themselves people for the people. They should all hang their heads in shame...

  • Marc-Andre - 2011-09-08 22:26

    Kak, man! They just don't want us to know how much of our money they're glutting down. We'd be so lucky to have someone take them out at on of those hotels! Any professional hitmen/women around....?

      PinkAndProud - 2011-09-08 23:13

      TIME TO STOP PAYING TAX!!!! Time to cripple these arrogant swines.

      DEVILS SON - 2011-09-09 09:26

      they not going to survive their own rule, they killing eachother over positions, tenders and money, sit back enjoy, i have several job discriptions, each paying under the taxable bracket, i pay nothing to them formally, only on fuel, food, water and electricity

  • Cheryl Muir - 2011-09-08 22:27

    BLACKS BLAME WHITES FOR THE ANC'S INCOMPETANCE. I AM SICK OF THIS HIPOCRYTICAL SHIT, WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT INCOMPETANCE AND CORRUPTION MORE AND MOR E VIA THE PRESS......WE CANT LET ANYTHING GO UNNOTICED,,,, AND WE MUST PERSIST SO THE CRIMINLA ACTS DONT GET FORGOTTEN... THE NATION MUST POLICE THESE FAT PIGS TILL THEY PERFORM OR GET THROWN IN JAIL....MOST OF THOSE ANC MPS ARE THIEVES.

  • Ldn_saffa - 2011-09-08 22:28

    How f#cking stupid are these ministers??!! Its like a blatant admission that crime is so out of control in South Africa that they are too 'KAKBANG' to declare a few little expenses. When the biggest thieves in the country are scared then you know crime is out of control.

  • PinkAndProud - 2011-09-08 23:08

    Does this Manyi fool honestly think that we are also fools? Security? What a joke but then at least they possibly realise what the entire country thinks of these rabid thieves.

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-09-09 05:39

    The greatest threat to ANC members of Parliment are from the ANCmembers themselves as they clamour over corpses of comrades they shoot for tenders. More ANCmemebers have been killed by ANCmembers in 17 years than all the time of evil aparthied. Is that a scary thought. Both sides in the war used evil criminals to either fund (drugs and transits) or fight their dirty battles. The government never got rid of the criminals as many now surface within the government while Apartheids mean men run the criminal underwolrd icluding drugs, guns, diamonds. Good riddance to Mcbride too

  • Douglas Hendry - 2011-09-09 06:46

    Why would anyone want to ambush our elected leaders, Ministers etc? Surely we are all delighted with their work ethic, and look forward to paying them a huge salary, enormous perks, and an even bigger pension. Ambush? Tosh.

  • dagwood4455 - 2011-09-09 07:01

    f@ck the ANC!

  • Nonbeliever - 2011-09-09 07:24

    Bring on the new information bill and they won't have to answer anything!

      Kenno - 2011-09-09 09:41

      and that is why JZ had his mate as the new chief justice! Watch now for the fast track of the secrecy bill@

  • jen - 2011-09-09 07:46

    No names necessary, just the hotels' star rating and amounts would suffice. Any excuse to rip of the taxpayers. Do you for one moment think that the staff of the hotel does not gossip. With the blue light, luxury care convoy you attract a lot of attention when entering the hotel grounds. Drive in a Yaris to a B&B and no one will know

  • Elaine - 2011-09-09 08:00

    So this is how it begins...its ALL listed under security. Surprise surprise!

  • jen - 2011-09-09 08:03

    You can feed half a hungry township with fifteen nights worth of MNelson's room rates. And then there is room service, booze all on top of the basic room rates. Within a 5 mile radius of the MN there is about 30 other perfectly luxurious, but cheaper hotels. New power, new money - what a burden.

  • Gaina - 2011-09-09 08:20

    Just a ruse to hide their lavish lifestyles at the taxpayers expense.

  • JM - 2011-09-09 08:33

    If this is not hiding and condoning corruption, I don’t know what is. Right here SA, this is one of your main problems. Corrupt to the core.

  • Khanya.McCutha - 2011-09-09 08:57

    Poor taxpayers

  • tailormade - 2011-09-09 09:17

    I just love irony. Politicians the world over are to blame for their own paranoia & then perpetuate that paranoia by living like covert James Bonds. What I like the most is the fact that they actually choose the most visible and easily guessed targets (5-star hotels/lodges) to "avoid" the paranoia. Just a tip: If you don't want people to know where you are....choose a shoddy guesthouse somewhere in suburbia. Don't book a room in the Grace Hotel and hope nobody sees you.

      tailormade - 2011-09-09 09:23

      ps the media has recently published the addresses and photos of ministerial houses in Cape Town.... ....So much for "security" & out the window flies the whole theory that they are trying to sell to us.

  • Kevin - 2011-09-09 09:24

    Jimmy "the lone brain cell" Manyi, does not know the difference between how many, the cost thereof and where. Knowing how many and the cost of the accomodation tells the voters how much money the government is wasting, and that is what the public have a constitutional right to know.

  • Kenno - 2011-09-09 09:42

    Helen Zille....Do something!!! PLEASE

  • Bloodstone - 2011-09-09 10:02

    And now the fun starts. This bill is like manna from heaven to the abusers of our tax money.

  • Bloodstone - 2011-09-09 10:04

    "Ministers could not answer questions about their use of hotels as such detail could be used to "ambush" them, government spokesman Jimmy Manyi said on Thursday." I checked my calendar, no it's not the 1st April. Is this idiot serious????

  • rurapente - 2011-09-09 10:23

    "they are never in their homes" I also would never be in my home if I was getting a FREE permanent room at a 5* hotel with all the bells and whistles on someone elses pocket...

  • Dilly - 2011-09-09 10:25

    Here we go again with the ManyiSyndrome. Has anybody told this guy that he is an absolute F^&Cking IDIOT...........with a very small ??? Wondered why his 2 brain cells are so muddled........... Hey jimmy, this is our F&*Cking $$$ that you are messing with B&^%CH....

  • Da.Liva.Delvira - 2011-09-09 10:25

    Screw that!!! We are still going to know, because we already know... Idiots!! Go against everything that the Constitution says, why don't you... We already know how many millions you have wasted on hotels these past years, what makes you think that we won't think up an estimate??? Lol!!! Clowns!!!

  • ZukiM - 2011-09-09 10:31

    cANCer is good ... rapid, self-generated growth and destruction of the host. ANC minsters should forget about their inflated egos. Who-hoo there goes a minister. Who cares? Title is merely an empty shell - without impecable work ethic and savvy to improve the lives of countrymen a title is worthless.

  • Fred - 2011-09-09 10:52

    The law he is using is actually an old National Party law that was used to protect themselves against bad press, who's running this country Showerhead Zuma or Kortbroek van Schalkwyk?? ANC my bottom, ANP more likely.

  • MAWEMAWE - 2011-09-09 10:57

    can somebody do us a favour and get all the DA parlamenterians 's travel information.

      jen - 2011-09-09 12:24

      They were all audited by the Auditor General - a ANC government employee, my friend - and it balanced.

  • letsee - 2011-09-09 11:25

    The secret is hidding the shameful expenses and this is the info bill already at work.

  • StoneAngel - 2011-09-09 12:25

    I am sure anyone wanting to 'ambush' any minister would pass a few Rand on to the clerks, at the hotels where the ministers normally stay, for information and the job would be done - money talks they say. Sorry but what a poor reason - but then we have such a poor government so we should not be suprised.

  • Side_Winder - 2011-10-03 07:16

    WAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Power gone to the head. Typical African politics....