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Hush-hush - ANC U-turns, keeps Malema venue secret

2011-09-09 22:15

Cape TownThe ANC has finally opted to keep secret the new venue of disciplinary hearings against Julius Malema and four other youth league leaders, spokesman Keith Khoza said on Friday.

"They are not going to disclose it," Khoza told Sapa after earlier saying the location would be made public for fear that if it were secret, supporters would again protest outside the ANC's Luthuli House headquarters in Johannesburg.

Malema supporters pelted police and journalists with half-bricks and set fire to T-shirts emblazoned with the face of President Jacob Zuma during Malema's disciplinary hearing last week.

The ANC condemned the rampage, with secretary general Gwede Mantashe comparing it to "the storming of the Bastille".

The party also faced legal action from a Johannesburg law firm if it failed to move the hearing elsewhere.

Khoza said Malema would appear before the party's national disciplinary panel on Sunday and would probably also be present on the remaining three days of the hearing.

He would answer four charges, including bringing the ANC into disrepute and dividing the party.

If found guilty, he would be suspended or expelled, because he still had a suspended sentence hanging over his head after being found guilty of a similar charge last year.

ANC Youth League deputy president Ronald Lamola, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa, his deputy Kenetswe Mosenogi, and treasurer general Pule Mabe face charges of compromising the party's reputation and of disrupting an ANC meeting.

Khoza said it was hard to speculate how long the six-member disciplinary panel, headed by Derek Hanekom, would deliberate.

Malema tried and failed to have the charges withdrawn last week.

The ANC dismissed his argument that he did not know that the party's constitution prohibited him from making certain remarks.

It also published the full details of the case he presented and the ANC's rebuttal.

The charges against Malema were prompted by his threat to engineer an end to the rule of Botswana's President Ian Khama, and a call in May for land to be seized from white "criminals".

Transparency

Political analyst Steven Friedman said he expected Malema to be found guilty and for the ANCYL to go to court to appeal. He said this explained why the ANC had published the full arguments last week.

"The ANC is making sure that [the] whole thing is a serious and transparent as possible and if it gets to court, everybody is seen to have been doing what they should have done."

Friedman said he believed Zuma had lost patience with Malema.

Ultimately, the firebrand's future depended on whether those within the party who had protected him thus far thought he would be of any further use in their struggle for control of the ANC.

"I'm sure the disciplinary committee will find him guilty. What happens beyond that depends on something else, which is the people who have protected him up until now," Friedman said.

"The reason why he has been protected is that there are senior members of the NWC (ANC national working committee) who find him useful. The question is have they had enough? Has he outlived his usefulness to them?"

Friedman dismissed the popular notion that Malema could influence the outcome of the ANC's elective conference in Mangaung next year. He said the faction fighting in the party would continue with or without Malema, and he suspected Zuma knew this, but was too irritated to tolerate Malema's behaviour any longer.

"I think Zuma is really angry. I think he thinks that he might as well put a stop to this and show that as the president of the country he has some power."

Malema's reckoning with the ANC leadership will coincide with ruling by the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg on hate speech charges brought against him by Afrikaner civil rights movement AfriForum for singing Dubul 'Ibhunu (Shoot the Boer).

Judge Colin Lamont is expected to deliver judgment in that case on Monday.

Comments
  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-09 22:31

    Chickens! - they are obviously very uncomfortable when uncontrolled 'youths' protest outside their stronghold! I hope they finish this process soon? - theis 'African time business is now getting boring.

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 06:12

      At least some venue will make a buck ..Sushi etc and payment in cash....

      My2c - 2011-09-10 07:12

      @tryanything vir geen geld ter wereld huur ek my plek aan hulle, ek sal dit afgebreek terug kry. darem sleg as jy vir jou eie partylede moet wegkruip. mag dit die begin van die einde vir aNc wees

  • vtowntekkie - 2011-09-09 22:36

    Leave it to the anc to stuff it up,asswipes!

  • scipio - 2011-09-09 22:46

    gutless, pathetic worms. the anc are the laughing stock of the modern world. they make me sick!!

      DJI - 2011-09-10 09:46

      msendi, you don't see a problem with that, let's go back to why it must be kept a secret; your idiotic counterparts is trashing innocent people's shops and plundering what other people is trying to build up. Now how can you not have a problem with this. Either you are daft or just plain a woodwork failure as well.

      grimbie1 - 2011-09-10 11:04

      @msendi The modern world have no problem with the ANC, unless if the modern world is some of our white compatriots How racist can you be? China laugh, Australia laugh, America laugh, and hell I was speaking to people in Singapore yesterday who laugh. All at the anc and how corrupt it is. Bheki cele, juju, shabs and the crew. You are all the laughing stock. However they also say the other parties are as bad for not stopping the anc through a democratic process. Then they laugh when they hear well it’s a democracy and the people voted them in. How embarrassing for a country.

  • leonard - 2011-09-09 22:47

    The name of the hotel where hearings are to be held already appeared on a post today,can`t remember under what heading or story.Hotel owner/keeper,cancel the contract,they will trash your establishment.Such is the nature of the beast.

      grant9 - 2011-09-10 00:50

      I don't have any sympathy for any business that does any work or provides services for the ANC or its affiliates. It's probebly the reason the ANC are choping and changing their minds - no place wants have them.

      Netherlander - 2011-09-10 07:08

      Why not use VLAKPLAAS??? Used EXTENSIVELY and EFFECTIVELY during the APARTHEID YEARS...

      dragon - 2011-09-10 11:16

      Why don't they use the police building they are paying millions for every month, it is standing empty. A couple of milk crates and cardbord boxes will make them really feel at home.

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 19:17

      And a couple of beds on paint tins...

  • Bill - 2011-09-09 22:56

    Like little lost souls...no definite direction, just wondering around in the park trying to think of what to do... Back and forth in hesitation, Indecisiveness shows blatant lack of leadership, bunch of no good clowns…!

  • King Cheetah - 2011-09-09 23:14

    haha!! Damn when Will this friggin cr...p!! stop,grr. There will be NO constructive meeting. What is going on with all this utter b/s. Is a policy committee meeting on how to further damage the country. There will be NO punishment. Even a hard slap on the wrist is doubtful. A final warning etc etc will probly be one given to the ANC by the ANCYL. Not visa versa. Wake up people and get your heads out the sand. There is NO way in hell a Revolutionary Movement censures their own people. Especially not one like Papa Puppet JuJu "Malkop" Malema and his baby puppets. Haven't WE got enough to worry about in the RSA, other than this "Punch and Judy Puppet Show" .....talk about being a fickle Nation!!!!..sigh!!! Anyway such is life in the RSA it will never change in the next 50 years.. So Enjoy the Rugby everyone...who cares who wins the final. All the teams that participate are winners in their own rights,as at the end of the day there would be NO tournament winner, without the the losers!!

  • twinkles - 2011-09-09 23:18

    I think Malema is about to be snuffed out like an old stompie. Excuse the pun.

      grant9 - 2011-09-10 01:04

      I doubt it. Like it or not Malema has a lot of support from the youth and from Winnie. The youth support him because they have no future prospects and Malema gives them hope with his talk of nationalisation and seizing farms - they have nothing else.

      grimbie1 - 2011-09-10 11:13

      Sorry to say that’s not going to happen. Malema has too much on the anc and has too much of a following. the anc cant loose that support and also it is the actual aim of the anc what the YL are saying it’s just they need a body to express it through. What the ancyl are saying is the future of South Africa unless drastic change happens. Sorry to say apartheid in reverse is clearly on the way for sa. Black, white, indian Chinese Latina if that’s not the way you want it, get out

  • Goddok - 2011-09-09 23:35

    Rest assured, the ANC has already found him guilty and is just going through the motions. They cannot afford that he is found not guilty as the top guys will be losing face, and he will be uncontrollable. Mark my words, this will split the ANC.

  • grant9 - 2011-09-10 00:27

    This is the secnd time the ANC have changed their minds concerning the location of the meeting on the same day. The whole issue has become a farce. I've posted before that the outcome will depend on who the majority of the ANC NEC support - Zuma or Malema.

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 18:49

      Probably cause there is no venue that wants them....

  • Woofix - 2011-09-10 01:06

    J.Z. and his comrades should ask themselves what the purpose of the ANCYL is. There is no constructive purpose, only destruction. According to this it will be meaningfull to disban everything concerning the ANCYL.

  • msendi - 2011-09-10 01:28

    Lets wait and see. Lets not jump to conclusion…

      Whoosa - 2011-09-10 04:18

      moron...

  • vegetarian - 2011-09-10 05:01

    It is a pity that News24 is a white friendly forum. If you make a comment that condemns the evil conduct of a white man, it is immediately deleted while whites insult other races day in and day out in the same forum without consequence. However I will continue to speak the truth under that pains of having my comment deleted for no reason. I therefore hasten to say that the reason Malema is coming to grief is because he is despised by most whites due to his political thoughts and utterances. The ANC is doing the bidding of its white owners who include News24. This society is unjust, all those who dare speak the truth are crucified. News24, you are despicable.

      maseratifitt - 2011-09-10 05:36

      vegetarian : Perhaps if your comments were not so sodden with racism, and you explained objectively what you mean by "the truth" , they won't be deleted. As far as malema is concerned : I think people despise him because he is a fake. He does not have one original idea of how to solve South African problems. He spews racial hatred and encourages division. He relies on the poor and uneducated for support, while enriching himself at their expense. His combination of ignorance and arrogance is just a nauseating regurgitation of African "leadership" we have seen over and over again, in the past. Nothing new. Nothing exciting. Nothing worthwhile. Nothing positive. Just nothing. Boring, isn't it?

      tryanything - 2011-09-10 06:17

      Agree Sadly Malema could have made better use of himself and for the youth of this country. In this country rather say something positive even if you are not capable of backing it up, nothing positive comes out of these two.

      vegetarian - 2011-09-10 06:29

      It is interesting that you maseratifitt writes African leadership in inverted commas to denote your reservations and also show your contempt. You fail to understand that most African countries are trying to bring order that was rudely disrupted by your ancestors who budged into orderly and peaceful African communities without invitation, importing a variety of previously unkown crimes and licentiousness. African countries were stripped bare of resources, human and otherwise and an attitude of despair set in, as all the mentioned resources were harnessed only for the benefit of usurper. This is exactly why Malema's message is not boring to me and those who know the history of dispossession as well as what deprivation is like. Despite all your efforts through your ownership of the current ANC leadership, good will prevail over evil in the end and all South Africans will benefit from the resources that you currently selfishly hog.

      leonard - 2011-09-10 06:49

      @Crapatarian. I see you are back for some verbal sparring.A point of note.Yes there are some whites who are unfortunately racist but there are many,many blacks who are even far more racist.All I hear the whole time is(especially from government)too many whites in senior or any positions,in sport etc etc.Black is being rammed down our throats 24 hours a day.We have as much right to SA(read the constitution)as anyone.Bye the bye,look up the ownership of news 24 to see who owns what,you might get a surprise.With regards malema,his political thoughts are not born out by his actions.I believe he deserves everything hopefully coming his way.The last line of your post actually includes me and mine or are you only referring to black people?

      vegetarian - 2011-09-10 07:11

      leanard I am not only referring to black people. I even refer to the Russians, Red Indians and Inuits who are in South Africa. You seem to be unaware that even your people are now living in shacks where they eat dust because the apartheid father chrismas is no longer around to cushion them from the hardships that were previously reserved for blacks. Your people also do not deserve to live like rodents while this country is richly endowed with resources, which resources are currently reserved for the luxury of the few courtesy of the current ANC leadership. You are not special. You don't deserve any special treatment. Your ownership of the ANC will not last long.

      leonard - 2011-09-10 07:11

      @Crapatarian. You force me to say unpleasant things.Juxtaposition SA with THE rest of Africa to see what happens when the white man is taken out of the equation.Total collapse ensues.I will not even mention the countries involved because it is ALL countries in Africa.If the so called colonialists had not arrived I wonder what SA might look like today?Makes you think, hey.

      leonard - 2011-09-10 07:28

      @Crapatarian. Your post at 7.11am refers.Are you smoking the good stuff so early in the morning?Really nothing written by you here makes sense.What do you mean by "my ownership of the ANC"Are you stark raving mad?

      vegetarian - 2011-09-10 07:33

      @leonard Ignorance is bliss indeed. If you leave, nothing of note will happen. You will still come back and no one will notice your return because you are not a factor in our lives. South Africa is among the top six best countries to live in thanks to the wisdom of the black leadership that you look down upon due to your ill founded sense of importance. This from a hated pariah state despised by all except a few rogue western countries like US and Britain. South Africa will flourish in your absence as it was flourishing before your ancestors arrived and disrupted the tranquility and splendour. Your thinly veiled racist insinuations do not impress me at all.

      Lekabisto - 2011-09-10 08:07

      Now hold on Vegitarian, am I reading right?? am I reading you say that the ANC is owned by White People?? I have heard and read many many posts of white people being blamed for everything, but your comment,man that is just a new kind of low. I mean I have always thought of the ANC as a liberation political party, Your comment makes it sound like a privately owned company with white people as board of directors. Anyway let me not be surprised, it is typical of all ANC supporters, you all need a reality check!

      DJI - 2011-09-10 09:54

      @crapetarian. South Africa is among the top six best countries to live in thanks to the wisdom of the black leadership that you look down upon due to your ill founded sense of importance ------------------------------------------------------------ I am sorry, I almost fell off my chair laughing, you just made my day, no medicine like a good laugh. Guys, I think this guy is a troll

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-10 10:24

      oh boy -- you are the modern version of an educated racist. The reality is,you hero Juju and the ANC drains the country and incite racism between the public,who normally get along. So,I suggest you climb back into your educated hole

      1of49Million - 2011-09-10 10:29

      Vegetarian and Lenard... i am of Irish decent. My people were enslaved, had to use different entrances to other people (similar to apartheid) and were seen as the lower than the rest of humanity. I do not care for segregation on any ground and thus find the conversation between yourself and Lenard distasteful and disrespectful. Both of you have warped ideas!! Why don't you try to have a debate centered around facts and try to learn from each other. You might find it surprising just how much the two of you have in common...

      vegetarian - 2011-09-10 15:05

      @1of49million You are one of those who like the truth to be swept under the carpet. Until you decided to parrot our peaceful transition, your race was bombing innocent English women and children in acts of terror. The cries of young babies being torn into pieces by your bombs! What is more distateful than killing innocent babies. In fact your ancestors were the most accomplished mercenaries in the British service when the murderous offensive was launched against peaceful African communities. Your ancestors participated in carnivals of death where millions of people lost their lives throghout the world. My ancestors never killed anyone in acts of aggression. They only fought to maintain their peace and keep their lands. Unlike you I am a messenger of peace, however, everlasting peace can only be obtained when all the truth has been exposed. Peace obtained by deceitful means will soon collapse. What you are saying is akin to a thief telling his victim "I agree I stole your property. However, let me keep what I have stolen so that we may live side by side in peace". You can keep that kind of peace because I am not interested.

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-10 15:42

      Come along Broccoli Box! - we from TL all know what a pontificating BS-er you are. We also know what an outright racist you are and the kind of lies you tell. Tell all the N24 guys how dishonest you have been proven to be? Tell them that you consider all white people to be 'rightwingers' and that you don't have a clue what a 'rightwinger' actually is. You know fully well that Malema is a disruptive and racist divider of the country, who is 'hoodwinking' the youth into believing that he is some kind of 'saviour' who could feed them all if he were given two small whales and a couple of mouldy rolls!

      Heibrin - 2011-09-10 17:12

      @vegetarian: I love how you keep using the words 'peaceful African communities', do you mean the Zulu's, who murdered and pillaged their way down the east coast of Africa, finally being stopped by the Voortrekkers in Natal, or Robert Mugabe, who had 20000 of his countrymen murdered, just for being of a different tribe? Or the Hutu's killing half a million Tsutsi's in Rwanda? I can continue bringing up examples, but I think that it's clear that the concept of 'peacefull African communities' is a misnomer.

      Heibrin - 2011-09-10 17:13

      And btw, mentioning Irish acts of terror is rich, since the ANC (once a world-wide recognized terrorist organization) planted how many bombs, and even worse, landmines, which kill INDISCRIMINATELY.

      Heibrin - 2011-09-10 17:18

      @veggie: you do realize that when the initial setlers first met the Xhosa tribes in the Eastern Cape it was they that were attacked by the Xhosa, not the otherway around?

      1of49Million - 2011-09-10 19:47

      @ Vegetarian... Just to clarify... I am of Irish decent. That does not mean that i am a member of the Irish Republican Army (IRA) or their political wing Sinn Fein. As a matter of fact i don't agree with their methods nor ideals. You however seem to hate them so let me tell you something about the ANC that you might not be aware of. They see the IRA as brothers in arms. As a matter of fact, they unveiled a plague for them on Robin Island and invited the leader Jerry Adams to the unveiling. What do you think of that???

  • blcotter - 2011-09-10 07:19

    Oh and I thought in the pig family the parent pigs do not eat their young ones.

  • Eksteen26 - 2011-09-10 07:36

    Racism is alive and kicking in South Africa and judging from the comments on this site, it's no wonder Malema wants to get rid of you folk. It's visible, right here on this public forum, for the world to see. Nice.

      Grant - 2011-09-10 07:52

      I had no idea that malema wants to get rid of veggie, kolobie, poly, farmworker, tshepo and so many others

      leonard - 2011-09-10 07:52

      @Eksteen. Well,well,well.You just don`t get it do you,we ALL want to live in peace and harmony but with the constant barrage of anti white rhetoric coming from the ANC,what are we to do?Must we just sit like sheep and accept what is thrown at us,without trying to verbally defend ourselves,I think not.Practice what is clearly enunciated in the constitution and I think we could within reason have a happy country.

      grant9 - 2011-09-10 08:37

      So true Grant (I like that name). The most racist comments on this and other forums come from ANC supporters who one assumes are black.

      leonard - 2011-09-10 13:00

      @1of49.Guess what,I am of Jewish origin,what`s the difference?We all try our best to look after ourselves don`t we.I however am not using some communist type rhetoric but common sense to defend my position.If you read ALL the posts made, not only by myself but everybody and try to understand what is really being said,your own WARPED perception might be straightened.

      1of49Million - 2011-09-10 20:13

      @Leonard. To a lot of things that you say i do agree with. Your logic is sound and you give your justifications which i am happy to see. However you then turn to rhetoric yourself. This got Veg's back up and at that point it did not matter what you said he was not going to listen.

  • Deset Rat - 2011-09-10 08:04

    I suppose they will keep the verdic secret too. Protection of State Secrets?

  • Blikskottel - 2011-09-10 08:41

    As long as they is stripped of all his positions and kicked out...then the law will have open season on them...and they have lots to answer for. Zuma will eventually face the same fate..

  • Cutty-Hot - 2011-09-10 08:53

    de burning of an anc flag shows dat malema supportes dnt knw dy r

  • Cutty-Hot - 2011-09-10 08:55

    MALEMA think he is bigger dan de rullinng party

  • Slapper - 2011-09-10 09:04

    Doing U turns is something that the ANC is pretty good at. An area where experience counts. They would make a Whirling Dervish proud.

  • cgtours - 2011-09-10 09:12

    Malema and his ANCYL have damaged the image and reputation of not only the President, the whole ANC Government but also of South Africa.Instead of being a responsible person and using his unemployed youth in Community Upliftment programmes, like cleaning up the mess and rubble in Townships, planting trees encouraging people to not litter, erspinsible birth control( even against HIV) not schoolgirls dropping out for being pregnant. etc etc bujilding sportsfield and keeping all busy in worthwhile projects, he sticks his nose into the business of Sovereign Countries on our boarders- lucky President Kharma is an intelligent highly educated man( well respected Internationally)-he could have kicked out our embassy there /withdrawn his embassy here and called for sanctions against RSA and lobbied in Europe/USA/ against this Country and an IDIOT that thinks HE is the President of South Africa and NOT ZUMA!He will be taught such a lesson in Botswana- Khama will not tolerate his Nonsense, he is not ANC and ZUma!Malema will find his backside in a Botswana Jail before you can say Bob is your uncle.Can he be so arrrogant and stupid to think he stands a chance against Khama and the International World? He better reflect on what happened to his Hero Gadaffi!-who was much more powerful than Malema!Stop his fraud with tenders/start working/contributing like a descent HONEST citizen. The President and the ANC must get rid of the whole lot of them (disband the whole lot)!Restore same dignity!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-10 09:16

    Runts of the litter bites it's corrupt,incompetent master's hand! I like it!

  • MrKoppietee - 2011-09-10 14:37

    Tomorrow, there will be a BIG BANNER on ANC's Luthuli House headquarters front door saying "Silence (hush-hush) Secret hearing in progress"

  • seshike mmoledi - 2011-09-11 15:31

    The story of Malema being charged or not is now boring when we read about it on papers, it is better ANC to keep quite if they do not know what to do with Malema charges and also because they can not control him then gave the baton to him and his youth league to be in charge and rest the case by talking too much week in week out about Malema charges we are sick and tired of charges that goes forward nor backward.

      leonard - 2011-09-11 19:02

      @seshike. You obviously went to school and maybe even passed matric which has enabled you to "work" a computer.Now the bad part,ever heard of punctuation and sentence constuction?Your dismal contribution defies imagination.My suggestion,apply to ANC headquarters for a job,you will fit in perfectly there with all the tripe they put out.

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