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If not Malema, what else, expert asks

2011-06-23 22:32

Johannesburg - Nationalising the mines and other demands by ANC Youth League president Julius Malema appeal to the poor because no one is offering better alternatives, SA Institute of Race Relations chief executive John Kane-Berman said on Thursday.

"The problem - and a source of potential growth for the Malemas of this world - is that no one else is offering them anything better," he said, in a speech prepared for delivery to the Southern African-German Chamber of Commerce and Industry in Johannesburg.

"Mr Malema himself has nothing to offer them except nationalisation. This is his equivalent of the garlic-and-beetroot offered not so long ago by the ANC and its late health minister as a cure for Aids," he said, referring to late former health minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang.

Kane-Berman raised the question of how to reverse the country's slide into a Zimbabwe, Habsburg, Argentina or predatory-party-like scenario described by the Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu).

One way to do this was to put forward "alternative ideas" based on principles of political and economic liberalism.

"[Malema]... has identified a fast-growing, political market: black youth. A minority of this group can benefit from cadre deployment, patronage, nepotism, tenderpreneurship, fronting, affirmative action, black economic empowerment, and the other familiar components of ANC policy.

"The rest have little hope," he said.

"Their education is mostly dreadful, their employment prospects are low, and their chances of winding up in crime statistics or dead from Aids are quite high," he said.

"When Mr Malema says Cosatu and the South African Communist Party have betrayed the poor he is right."

Power

He said Cosatu's only interest was in protecting unionised labour aristocracy, while the other ANC ally, the communists, were mainly interested in grabbing hold of as many levers of power as possible without having to fight elections.

"The ANC - with its own threats to mining and agriculture, and its racial and labour policies - is offering them [the poor youth] what is best described as 'Malema-lite'," he said.

Minister in the Presidency Trevor Manuel's development plan - arising from his planning commission - was a "mirage".

"In the meantime Mr Malema's constituency will grow. If he were really smart and constructive, he would launch a campaign to liberate the labour market to enable unemployed youngsters to get jobs more easily.

"He would take on the teaching unions who are destroying the prospects of yet another generation of schoolchildren. Unfortunately, however, just like President [Jacob] Zuma, Mr Malema is a creature of the ANC. He may be younger, but he is also an anachronism."

This left the media, business and civil society who Kane-Berman called on to be "bold in propagating classically liberal alternatives to the present dirigiste (economic planning and control by the state) policies".

Forewarned is forearmed

He said "panic" was not "policy" and these actors had to provide more than a "robust anti-nationalisation strategy".

"You have to offer something better than either business or government is doing right now.

"A start would be for business to clarify whether or not it actually believes in liberalising the labour market. The plan must be to steal Mr Malema's constituency from under him by offering it something better than he does.

"And this has to be done by public debate. Mr Malema gets huge press coverage, and you can't counter his ideas by taking tea with the minister."

Kane-Berman also urged "Juju [Malema]" to "take a bow" as his threats on nationalisation and land reform served to alert the country to the pitfalls ahead.

"...let us be grateful to Mr Malema for spelling out a scenario for South Africa which is as plausible as any other. Forewarned is forearmed."

Reversing the decline

Malema was partly blamed for alienating whites, Indians and coloureds after the ANC faired poorly among these groups in the 2011 local government elections, but legislation already passed and comments on coloureds by government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi had served the same purpose.

Malema was also accused of discouraging foreign investment, said Kane-Berman, even though it was not him but Cosatu and no less than three Cabinet ministers who placed the Walmart/Massmart deal in jeopardy.

The Transvaal Agricultural Union bemoaned Malema's comments on land reform, saying it created a climate for land invasions, however, he said, legislation encouraging such invasions was passed by the Cabinet at the end of last year.

Also, Malema's comments on nationalising the mines were "but the culmination of a series of incremental interventions by the government which have already injured the industry."

Another way of reversing the decline was to defend key components of a free society such as an independent judiciary and central bank, property rights, academic freedom, a free press and a market economy.

"To assume, as some people do, that the case for these things is self-evident and universally accepted, is naive. It has to be made time and time again.

"Your own chamber rightly pointed out last year that a free press was not only a pillar of democracy but also a precondition for a functioning economy."

Comments
  • makip - 2011-06-23 22:52

    nationalise 50% of the mines and 50% of the land.lets go 50/50.

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:06

      I think nationalization could lead to panic by investors, as I read a previous article about BRIC opting to invest in other African countries because of nationalization. Maybe taxes on mineral resources should be restructured and managed by an independent body to channel some of those funds into creating sustainable growth in micro and medium industry.

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:06

      I think nationalization could lead to panic by investors, as I read a previous article about BRIC opting to invest in other African countries because of nationalization. Maybe taxes on mineral resources should be restructured and managed by an independent body to channel some of those funds into creating sustainable growth in micro and medium industry.

      bb - 2011-06-23 23:17

      Why? What claim can anyone make on another's personal property - that is nothing less than theft in the grandest, most absurd way ever! Bunch of thieving, scumsucking looters!

      Anonymus - 2011-06-23 23:30

      @makip - did you atually read the above article? stop munching on your chicken feet for a minute, and i suggest you should read it again and think about what is being said and.

      Enough! - 2011-06-23 23:32

      malema was used by zuma from the get go to implement his agenda. first to take all political power out of the hands of the xhosas then to 'STEAL' the wealth of south africa and especially that of the whites. nothing more nothing less and i told you so long ago. Its never been about the poor but about a revolution that zuma is leading first against other black tribes then the whites. time to wake up and smell the coffeeee..........

      Win14 - 2011-06-23 23:41

      Yes, it's all about the black youth and what they expect and need, and the trouble that's going to come our way if we don't address this issue. The only thing they want is to get JOBS more easily. For them it is the Elvis principle: "it's now or never". Improved education is for the future, not for now. And they've been adequately exposed to modern realities by their own better education, by TV, computers, discussions, exposure to the world and its problems, to be fooled into believing that land-grabbing and nationalisation will improve anything for them; that's solutions for the uneducated masses, the farm labourers and miners etc. When the black youth supports Malema, it is purely to unsettle the status quo and to create some new realities, any realities, as a basis for a new world in which they can find a meaning and work and growth. The present system offers them nothing new and exciting and even drives many of them into antisocial activities .. just to have SOME purpose and survival income. There MUST be something that can be done about this, apart from colourful speechmaking and palaver!? There is enough money in the kitty to create new opportunities and income-generating purposes! Why not enlist the input of some German and Japanese fundis on this subject? They, amongst others, have consistently pulled their countries out of the deepest problems imaginable and made them mega-successful merely by people power! And we have got mega-mineral power to back it all up!!

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-24 00:56

      Makip, judging by previous comments I recall from yourself, you are exhibiting signs of moderation - almost always good thing. Some responsibilities are indeed handled better by the state. However, the private sector, if contributing a fair amount of taxes back to society, usually does a far better job than a government would ever be able to do. The issue that is the rise of Malema is finally being debated in context of the real elephant in the room - the absence of hope for the desperate masses in RSA. I referred to this in a comment to the article "ANC created Malema Monster" a week ago. Mr. Kane Berman did a fine job in shining light on perhaps the most neglected and important issue that faces RSA today.

      canuck13 - 2011-06-24 03:55

      If nationalizing the mines could be done in a productive and economically viable way I would be all for it. Why do a few benefit from the resources of the land? I think the miners themselves should be the first in line for benefits. Unfortunately though it not the poor who would benefit but the Malema's and the Winnies.

      Frungy - 2011-06-24 04:05

      Makip - Well since Blacks already own more than 50% of the land and mines I guess we can announce mission accomplished. Thanks for the compromise, and have a nice day.

      grant9 - 2011-06-24 04:24

      Win14 Sadly I don't believe we have the 'people power'. Every year people who could make the difference are taking their skills offshore. The bulk of the people left behind are poorly educated and have a bad work ethic - the guys that have a job go on strike and the rest survive on taxpayers grants. No wonder the shrinking number of employers would rather employ Zimbabweans.

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-24 04:43

      Canuck13 I agree.

      paulf - 2011-06-24 07:50

      Please read this article by Lindiwe Mazibuko. http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=242543&sn=Marketingweb+detail&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

      roboman1 - 2011-06-24 07:52

      makip, that will not work, because the nationalised 50% will dissipate into nothing very quickly, then they will want the other 50&, but kane berman has a valid point, we better come up with more satisfying solutions than the current situation or malema's 'beetroot' solution

      Matt - 2011-06-24 08:43

      Firstly, no alternative to Malema? Are they crazy? At least get someone in who doesn't incite racial hatred, and isn't begging for a bullet in his head every time he speaks! As for nationlisation, do we really want everything in the hands of the State? The less that is in the State's hands, the better - or do we all want to become a fully fledged communist state as per Marx's 1848 document (can't name it as News24 deletes every reference to it, hmm wonder why)

      mike - 2011-06-24 08:51

      @paulf - an extremely well thought out article

      lean - 2011-06-24 08:58

      LEARN YOU STUPID MALEMA))) Bolivia’s decline reflects the utter and complete failure of Chávez-style economics. Morales is a prominent disciple of the Venezuelan dictator Bolivia has the second-largest natural-gas reserves in South America. Indeed, through nationalization schemes, price controls, and other anti-business measures, Morales has chased away both domestic and foreign investors. As Bolivian economist Waldo López said last year, “The government has a foreign-investment phobia, and its nationalization processes and the lack of clear rules are creating lack of confidence.” The World Bank’s 2011 “Doing Business” survey ranks Bolivia 149 out of 183 economies, behind even Sierra Leone and Syria. It is the poorest nation in South America, and among the very poorest in the entire Western Hemisphere. http://americasforum.com/content/chavez-style-economics-fail-miserably-bolivia

      Matt - 2011-06-24 09:22

      @ Liberated - do you know the irony? You want everything nationalised so that blacks can be free. But if everything is nationalised, you will NEVER have freedom because the State controls it! (see that document I referred to earlier that News24 keeps deleting every time I mention it)

      TheUgly - 2011-06-24 11:16

      "The problem - and a source of potential growth..."? (conflicting) The main problem isn't in the way things are run (although it's not up to par), the employees our economy produces are basicly unemployable and they don't seem to make any effort to better themselves. If the poor don't like the way things are run just don't vote ANC next time. Thus it's a choice they make to struggle.

      Looking@SA - 2011-06-24 14:58

      The problem with that thought is that you are assuming that 100% of the countries assets are already in play. A long time ago a man by the name of Bill Gates created a new industry, personal computing. It's all the rage as you may have heard. The point is that while others focused on established industries Gates created something new. It now employs hundreds of millions around the world. Why not create more farms. There is land that is viable. It may need water. Devise ways to get water to it. Create a mentor program that will teach young black South Africans the rudiments of modern farming. Has SA found all of its mineral deposits? Doubt it. Look for new deposits let them belong to the state. SA needs to get this right. There is much riding on it. Those who say the world will intervene if SA goes the way of Zim., don't hold your breath. The west is concerned with terrorism and floundering economies. They don't have the national energy to do anything meaningful in SA. SA has so much to offer the world. Your tourism industry could explode. Billions of Rand are brought into the country from this. But crime and racial tension could destroy it. SA has the capacity to create millions of new jobs. The solution is found not in thinking that you can only redistribute what is already there, it is in realizing that you can and need to create new. New jobs, new farms, new mines. Small thinkers see only what's there, big thinkers envision what could be.

      JM - 2011-06-24 15:31

      If not Malema, what else - You have got to be kidding me. How about stopping the full scale corruption and looting of South Africa's finances? How about farming the idle land you already have before messing with productive land? How about going to school instead of lying at home waiting for government handouts? How about acquiring a basic skill so that you can contribute to the economy? How about not having more children than you can afford, especially if you don't have a job. Where there is a will there is a way. And finally stop blaming apartheid, you (ANC) have been in power for almost 2 decades. Every country on this planet has impoverished communities, Why? Because in most cases they don't want to work! Successful people do what unsuccessful people are not willing to do. Get over yourselves and start working!

      Dumisani P - 2011-06-25 08:58

      OK we will start with you land, hows that MAKIP!

      cuz - 2011-06-25 20:11

      The great swelling words of Malema may yet move young blacks to militancy in South Africa. If it does, who will be to blame? Will it be their former apartheid masters, or their replacements — those who replaced a hated apartheid regime? It’s beginning to look like it will be those who took over the government of a veritable jewel of a country, promising so much in 1994, but having given so little since taking political office — except to themselves!

  • william.botha - 2011-06-23 22:59

    "The problem - and a source of potential growth for the Malemas of this world - is that no one else is offering them anything better," I find it hard to believe this statement, there are many that offer alternative ideas and ways to develop the country, but they rank low in the "new pecking order". It is so typical of the new wave of greed and lust after power that embraces the whole world. I personally think there is a huge communication problem in SA, and it is snowballing. What I would like to know, is the ANCYL open to debate or are they blind to their own course? Has there been attempts made at reaching out to the ANCYL in a non conflict diplomatic manner, and if so, where they receptive to debate. I've researched this but can't seem to find any information about it.

      grant9 - 2011-06-24 04:45

      @John Wilderness. How after 17 years of black rule can whites who make up only 10% of the poulation have the ball in their court? Blacks have had AA, BEE and what else on their side and yet apart from the ANC hierarchy the majority are worse off than pre 1994.

      Joker - 2011-06-24 04:59

      @john if you think that the ball is in the court of the whites, then we have already lost the battle my friend. As South Africans we have to start facing certain realities. We have massive unemployment in this country. Now for most of the poor this nationalization of mines and land grabs seems like a quick fix to the problem, but it is not. These policies have been shown time and time again to fail around the world. There is no quick fixes. The only way that we can accommodate the millions of unemployed in this country in a sustainable manner is by dramatically expanding the economy. This means that we have to make SA a more attractive destination for foreign investment. The capitalist system has been the only system that has been showed to work. When foreigners invest in businesses they want to invest in a country where the political risks are comparatively low, and where they can have the maximum return on investment. Well Malema's talk scares off foreign investment. Also amongst other developing countries our labour force are one of the most expensive, most unproductive and uneducated. Trade unions carry a lot of blame for the first 2 that I mentioned. Our government spends one of the highest amounts on education in the developing world, yet education standards are rock bottom in the developing world. Something is wrong there. Education is probably the single most important tool to pull people out of poverty, and it is broken.

      paulf - 2011-06-24 07:29

      Please read this article by Lindiwe Mazibuko. http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=242543&sn=Marketingweb+detail&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

      VELOCITY - 2011-06-24 08:03

      Some good comments there Joker. As for education that's broken in this country, it's interesting to note that the late Kader Asmall is being hailed a hero of the revolution, but education became what it is today during his watch. The same with forrestry and water affairs, both part of his portfolio and both collapsed to such and extent that we are now facing a national crises. These are the hero's of the ANC and the architects of disaster. They have nothing to offer the masses except more misery and suffering.

      Dominic - 2011-06-24 09:27

      It seems to me that what everyone is missing is that Malema and ANCYL represent the youth. Young political activists everywhere are not interested in a dispassionate academic discussion about the best alternative. They just want to shock and be cool according to the latest fashion - no different collective youth anywhere else in the world. From their point of view - Who else is cooler than Malema? The real problem is that the ANC has no real leader (They always say that it's up to the party to decide). The only person in the ruling party who acts like a leader is Malema. That's why the influence of the ANCYL is so disproportionate in the power equation.

      Schalk - 2011-06-24 10:47

      Thanks paulf, that article by Lindiwe was a really good read. People like her really represent a shining pillar of light in a dark SA. Many people will criticize me for this, but people like Lindiwe and Mmusi are so valuable because they are blacks who think like whites. This is very crudely put, but I think many people will agree that blacks who think like traditional blacks (i.e. Malema and his hordes and many elements in the ANC) are steering SA straight towards Zim. It will hurt a lot of extremely inflated ego's, but SA's only hope is getting strong black leaders who are willing to adopt a very western way of thinking. Malema wants power for his people and he wants it now - typical Africa. Lindiwe thinks long term, focusses on a growth oriented solution, acknowledges that no instant solutions exists, but puts forth a sustainable proposition - typical West.

      cliffarc - 2011-06-24 11:42

      - ' Reaching out to the Ancyl' - That's the problem right there. They're not the party in power, the Anc is. Problem is the Anc allow Malema a free reign to buy the youth vote. And that tells you all you need to know about them - The Anc are spineless, without a viable plan for uplifting the poor, relying instead on a vote buying tactic of nationalisation and using Malema as their front. By allowing him carte blanche , without boundaries, they support and endorse his agenda.The Anc are an iniquitous, malevolent and untransparent party , with hidden agenda's. Their lust for retaining power overides all else, including the voice of reason and sanity,all of which is to the detriment of the very people, they were elected to serve.

      paulf - 2011-06-24 12:25

      @Schalk, I am pleased that you enjoyed the article by Lindiwe. Your are correct in all you said. She has long term vision, not like the ANC. I would love to see a person like her being the Presidant of SA. She has morals, respect, dignity and the list can just go on. Viva Lindiwe for Presidant!!!!

      ex-pat - 2011-06-25 10:45

      "The problem - and a source of potential growth for the Malemas of this world - is that no one else is offering them anything better," The problem is what Malema's youth (identified as such because there are other black youth who do not subscribe to his views) would consider to be better. If they were offered a good education with the chance then to WORK at well-paid jobs, does anyone seriously think they would accept that? No, of course they wouldn't, because what they want is money and power, without having to work for it. Changing that mind set is the biggest problem of all.

      cuz - 2011-06-25 19:24

      South Africa is the only country in the world where Affirmative Action is in the favour of the majority who has complete political control. The fact that the political majority requires Affirmative Action to protect them against a 9% minority group is testament to a complete failure on their part to build their own wealth making structures, such that their only solution is to take it from others...

  • Turkeyfish - 2011-06-23 23:01

    Those who feel threatened by Mr. Malema's politics, need to start offering the poor and dispossessed something themselves other than complaints, derision and excuses. Otherwise, expect to those with similar politics continue their ascent to power.

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:13

      You know, I wish I knew how. I have to admit, the press ain't helping here either. Every news article about Malema is usually accompanied by a photo of Malema in an aggressive and taunting manner. This usually gets an angry response from me. We have to look beyond emotions.

      kidblack - 2011-06-23 23:25

      ok. so after working 9 hours a day, feeding the kids, paying all the bills and finally getting a bit of sleep, all this a result of keeping my head down and studying and learning since i was 6, where should i "start offering something"? Why cant they focus at school, find free libraries after schools, and generally engage with the system like i did?

      Bill - 2011-06-23 23:30

      Precisely...that would be the ANC themselves…!

      Anonymus - 2011-06-23 23:36

      the amount of effort the black youth put into toy toying, burning down facilities and generaly blamning the white man for all their travesties. why not transfer all that energy into being productive and educating yourself to help the country move forward. the white man cant fix all your self inflicted problems!!

      grant9 - 2011-06-24 04:53

      @William.Botha. You have to admit Malema is an obnoxious rable rouser. The media are just showing his true colours.

      william.botha - 2011-06-24 08:02

      @Grant9-I think I had my share of venting anger at Malema, but it ain't working and it sure ain't helping building bridges. I think we need to change the way we deal with Malema, you have to remember he has large support from about 5 million I believe.

      Ndlovu - 2011-06-24 09:54

      Malema is a treat to the POOR.. If he succedes, he will destroy a well but slow increasing economy. There is still a lot to do, but we can see "on the roads" the positive development. And, even me, can't do more than share. I'm white like a chicken-bone, a nasty farmer. But our staff is using cosy bungalows, has water elect. aso, fair salary, despite we are hit by frost, having bad turnover or our fruits stolen by "friends" Despite we have to take expensive loans to survive.. sometimes I would like to be at the other end of farming. Work, take salary, no bothering about future.. oh oh oh!

      john - 2011-06-24 11:18

      Turkeyfish, you miss the point entirely - there is nothing to offer. Africans make this mistake time and again, of believing that the government or whites or somebody else must MAKE them rich, they don't have to do anything other than toyi-toyi and be miserable and angry. Ask Bill Gates or Richard Branson or Donald Trump or Mark Shuttleworth if the govt made them rich, or if toyi-toyiing helped them to earn millions. The key to becoming successful is to make your own plan and to follow it yourself. Nobody is going to GIVE you wealth and success. If any Malema supporter thinks JuJu is going to make the masses rich, then I'd ask him for evidence - from anywhere in the world - where this has happened. Did Mugabe make Zimbabweans rich? Did Castro make Cubans rich? Did Chavez make Venezuelans rich? Malema will make himself rich, you will stay poor. So here is my offer to the poor and dispossessed: sit down and work out what you can do and enjoy doing. Then work out how you can earn money from doing this. Then work out how you can differentiate your product or service from the thousands of similar products/services offered by people like you. Then do it. That, I'm afraid, is what it boils down to. Nobody is going to give you anything. So you must help yourself.

      Psalm - 2011-06-24 12:15

      @ Turkeyfish Spot-on. However, most whites (esp here) don't grasp that Malemaphobia is propelling Malema forward. I also blame the media (like news24), as they never quote Malema in full. For example, Malema CLEARLY stated in his address at the ANCYL convention that those who disagree with nationalisation and expropriation without compensation should present the ANCYL with viable alternatives, as the current approach (incl willing buyer vs willing seller) has failed. News24 will never report this. Those suffering from Malemaphobia would rather complain and hurl insults at Africans. Malema has said what COUNTLESS Europeans and others have been pointing out: the next uprising in SA may very well be the poor and dispossessed Africans rising against the rich. Land redistribution and economic redress better happen soon. Malema has simplified this, by warning that those in Alex will simply cross the road and take over Sandton, unless things change. No one wants chaos. But the status quo cannot continue and whites better realise this and start playing a positive part. Calling Malema and his supporters names, hurling insults at them will only guarantee a bloody revolution that will make France's reign of terror look tame.

  • Frankie - 2011-06-23 23:01

    Does malema get a winning formula courtesy of culture..?

      Bill - 2011-06-23 23:32

      Mal-enema has a winning formula, courtesy of mass stupidity and blind following…!

      Creeky - 2011-06-24 09:02

      Bill....78% of the 17-34 year old Black Dudes are UNEMPLOYED!!!! Those are SCARY figures Bru, and those are the people whom Malema is TARGETING!!! Think of the rest of the people in that age group that ARE working... Latest Fashionista's, Latest Electronic Equipment, New Flashy vehicles... whilst the unemployed don't know where their next meal is coming from! Put yourselves into the Unemployed dude's shoes for a day... and tell me Malema is not their "SAVIOUR"! I DETEST MALEMA like you won't believe, but he has hit a couple of points that need to be addressed..... LIKE IT OR NOT! Who would you follow?

  • Together - 2011-06-23 23:05

    Unless all these experts and observers imagine that they are wildlife photographers who can't interfere in a kill, I suggest they start putting their skills and experience to some good use - don't SUGGEST, MARKET your good ideas to the right people and help SA identify leaders and strategies. There are 48 million+ people who cannot leave this ship, and commenting on how big the holes in the hull are getting is a bit criminal.. I know it's not easy and we will face resistance, but let's have more courage than the theory mongers and armchairs communists - let's put together workable plans and strategies, and let's face down the ignorance and bring everyone the facts. That huge crowd of desperate youth are ready to do something - let's give them something valuable and positive to do. Let's flood the stadia of SA with worthwhile role models, resuscitate adult literacy programs and open them to students who are battling, let's organise sponsored street football in every township across the nation, lets find out who really WANTS to be a farmer and train them (with two years' internship). Let's allow top mark students of ALL colours to train as doctors to bring up the numbers, let's accept that 6-7% annual increase is what is happening for normal workers in the commercial sector and stop endless strikes - let's teach voters to protest with votes instead of by burning garbage - let's institute classes that explain the Constitution in all official languages to everyone.

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:09

      Yep, I think that active involvement from the private sector could play a big role, it is so sad to see this country sliding into disrepair.

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:09

      Yep, I think that active involvement from the private sector could play a big role, it is so sad to see this country sliding into disrepair.

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-24 05:00

      Grantland, if you haven't emigrated yet, start working on it pronto -things in RSA are not going to go your way if you cling on to that kind of perspective.

      Rikhogrande - 2011-06-24 08:00

      Ive been saying this for ages now, unless we all make an effort to take care of the poor of this country they will destroy us. Malema is the only one keeping them from overthrowing the ANC and their lover Private industry through Libya style violence. Their a time bomb waiting to blow. And note just because your black doesn't mean they will just lie down and take the raw deal you give them.

      Aileen - 2011-06-24 09:33

      I like your thinking. Can we talk - aileen@outdooradventures.co.za

  • Manosh - 2011-06-23 23:13

    True but this half-baked.Although many young blacks are Malema's big supporters, also most blacks of all age (Educated & willing) in companies, espcially private companies that are still victims passive racism are getting intolarant and support Malema passively.Now we are seeing big companies selling themselves to the international markets as a long-term strategy to rip SA of all it created. SABMiller, Old Mutual, ABSA, and now MassMart belong to foreigners, but massmart was created here (with SA effort).And by SA I mean both those where in charge and the labour that made it possible. The last thing is that of Malemaphobia, people tend to forget Malema is ANCYL representative and whatever he says is not neccesarily his own opinion but people still choose to ingore this fact.From a leader perspective, Malema is GREAT leader, maybe the problem could be in the wrong direction!He has enomous abilty to inspire people, and if he was doing that for Renault sales for instance, they would hav oversold their cars. Anyway, your apinion is taken and thank you.

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:27

      It is because corporate fatcats are getting away with it. There is nothing wrong with corporations as a concept, but when essential services and goods gets exploited for the bottom line by greedy unscrupulous individuals, it becomes a serious matter. Years ago you had a choice of hundreds if not thousands of independent grocers, today they have all disappeared, swallowed up by listed companies that operate in virtual space. All your major grocers are listed companies, and the consumer have to pay for dividends instead of foodstuff that has been marked up reasonably. Health services, listed, insurance and financial services providers, listed. We are all paying to maintain a huge fat parasite that do not contribute to the real economy, and do not contribute to the supply of engineers, technicians, artisans etc. because it has become the new gold rush, money for nothing and your cheques for free.

      mark - 2011-06-24 06:06

      Manosh, the jealousy because large groups / companies own a share in the SA market is inevitable. The world has become a village with an international trading post on it's market square. Question, why aren't the jealous S.Africans trading on this market. Why aren't those people own a spot elsewhere in the world, just as those companies own a piece of the market here. Look at India for example, it works a treat!

      Sithandile Xhanti - 2011-06-24 08:35

      all ideas malema come up with them are valid but he is losing the way of bringing them to us. Stop saying the blacks following him are stupid, however is not sasfified with the present government need to tell us what previous government did? If you can stop the black & white thing you will all be able to comment i can see there is potential in you. I thank you

      mike - 2011-06-24 08:54

      unfortunately those that do follow malema are stupid as his policies will not work and if you do not understand that then yes you are stupid

  • Doublepost - 2011-06-23 23:17

    Stop breeding out of control, work to give your children an education. Instill in them the attitude of working now to achieve a future. All that you, the race relations people, and Malema are doing is instilling an even greater entitlement attitude in the youth. That is a recipe for chaos! You cannot ever build a country on that, NEVER! It is impossible! There is no simple solution to the problem of poverty! And the promises from political parties do not help. Start with the truth for once, tell the people what they need to hear. Which is that times are going to be exceedingly tough over the next 20 years. People need to save as much as they can and use this money to give their children and grandchildren the best possible access to knowledge and opportunities. And for heavens sake, it the BRICS article did not wake you up to the dangers of Malema's nationalisation rants, then take your blinkers off!! What more can you expect from us, to sacrifice ourselves and our children on the altar of poverty?! John Kane-Berman is being mad hear! We Whites are told off whenever we give solutions to obvious problems, called Racists and Bigots, told to shut up, that this is Africa and all that! We work day in and day out to pay the damn TAX that should be used to build proper infrastructure, maintain existing infrastructure, train the youth, keep us safe, keep our farms producing food and keep our Country sane. Instead those brats at the ANC scoff it all and spend it on lavish parties!

      Boiling Frog - 2011-06-24 02:36

      Unfortunately you are preaching to the converted especially as far as family planning is involved. Until the Governments vastly improve Education facilities and instill in the minds of their people that it is only through small families that you CAN GROW WEALTH the disadvantaged will continue to grow unabated.

      Roman Moroni - 2011-06-24 08:56

      I've been reading your posts for a long time and while you make a lot of sense, you are angering a lot of people with your delivery. It is however the result of whites having tried to contribute and propose workable solutions since 1991, but having these scoffed at that created this attitude in you. I understand your concern and angst, especially as it seems you have children and you see no future for them. If that is the case, you'll have to make some very decisions in the near future I'm afraid - the South African blacks who vote for the ANC reckon they have all the answers and don't want to learn from the history of Africa. Being a BRIC and actually functioning like a BRIC are two completely different things.

      Harvey - 2011-06-25 14:48

      For a moment there I was gonna hurl insults at you. But I feel sorry for you... Your ignorance will get you no where in life...

  • Win14 - 2011-06-23 23:19

    Yes, it's all about the black youth and what they expect and need, and the trouble that's going to come our way if we don't address this issue. The only thing they want is to get JOBS more easily. For them it is the Elvis principle: "it's now or never". Improved education is for the future, not for now. And they've been adequately exposed to modern realities by their own better education, by TV, computers, discussions, exposure to the world and its problems, to be fooled into believing that land-grabbing and nationalisation will improve anything for them; that's solutions for the uneducated masses, the farm labourers and miners etc. When the black youth supports Malema, it is purely to unsettle the status quo and to create some new realities, any realities, as a basis for a new world in which they can find a meaning and work and growth. The present system offers them nothing new and exciting and even drives many of them into antisocial activities .. just to have SOME purpose and survival income. There MUST be something that can be done about this, apart from colourful speechmaking and palaver!? There is enough money in the kitty to create new opportunities and income-generating purposes! Why not enlist the input of some German and Japanese fundis on this subject? They, amongst others, have consistently pulled their countries out of the deepest problems imaginable and made them mega-successful merely by people power! And we have got mega-mineral power to back it all up!!

      william.botha - 2011-06-23 23:40

      I think there is a bit more to it than just what is happening in SA. The poor and destitute have nothing to loose, so in that state of mind thinking about the future do not come into play. I also think there is retribution syndrome and I think that many black people were hoping that after 1994 they could loot plunder and pillage and get back at their oppressors, which did not materialize. You must understand that many of the youth that support Malema were not born while SA was still an Apartheid state, so the hatred we see could come from two places only, either it is inherited behavior, or they are fed propaganda or a bit of both. It is no secret that poor people in general dislike rich people, whether they are black, white purple or pink, but SA's situation is quite unique in that some people just do not want the past to be the past, and keep on giving the young masses disinformation to keep their own hatred alive.

  • Peter - 2011-06-23 23:21

    John, excellent speech making many important points. I hope that those who don't like what Malema is saying take note and ACT.

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-06-23 23:28

    Kane-Berman is a brilliant man with a vision of the future and an understanding of the current. Those interested in a real democracy should take note of his words written above.

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-06-23 23:35

    bb..........That is why it is called nationalization. The ANC majority simply changes the constitution and gets their way. This is why it is important to stop personal ideology in politics and get all the fragmented opposition to unite. Together they CAN give the ANC a run for their money, or even more so.....Just a run !!!!!!!!

  • Mr_Mind - 2011-06-23 23:42

    Good job John Kane-Berman!

  • Lennox - 2011-06-23 23:44

    Dit is nou 11:39 en ek is baie moeg van al die nuus oor hierdie seun, ek gaan liewerste Malema(maar le maar)........nag aan almal!!! News24, hopelik is daar more iets meer interesant om oor te skrywe.

      spacemonkey - 2011-06-24 00:44

      I think I've figured out where Malema got the cash for his Sandton house, expensive watch and suit -- he's cut a deal with all the media companies. There's no doubt he's sold enough newspapers for them.

  • jock - 2011-06-23 23:45

    and you think that the govt.taking over the mines,farms etc is suddenly going to make the poor have more?This is the problem in Africa the people expect the Govt to provide everything without paying taxes. The solution is education,work and investment not false promises

  • Peeved - 2011-06-23 23:49

    The ANC has rightly screwed up the job market by allowing the unions and the communist party to dictate labor policy. It will soon be impossible for business to operate or make profits in this country. bye bye job market and affirmative action won't save their asses.

  • john - 2011-06-23 23:59

    It's a bit like the vote for the Class President in the Grade 1 class. The one who wins is the one who offers free ice cream to the whole class every day. Nobody ever thinks to ask who is going to provide the ice cream. Here's a thought for the poor: you have always been poor, you will always be poor. The reason you are poor is because you think politicians will make you rich. Politicians will not make you rich. Not under capitalism, not under socialism. Only one person can dig you out of the ghetto: YOU. Stop believing false promises. Malema cares about his Breitling watch, his Johnnie Walker Blue Label and his fleet of luxury cars. If he cared about you, he'd have given the money used to buy these things to you. He didn't. That tells you all you need to know.

      Enough! - 2011-06-24 00:12

      unfortunately that is the truth. R130 million of government contracts given to Malema

      Roman Moroni - 2011-06-24 09:01

      This should be printed and distributed in South Africa. Government can however do one thing that will eventually fix another - make the labour laws fair and apply it. Then teaching will increase exponentially as all the lazy ones will be fired within a year and the education system will improve.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 00:15

    The irony is that because of his ranting, the people who are positioned to offer something different (aside from government who have clearly failed dismally with their mandate) are the very people he is alienating the most. Hate to break it to all of the people who thinks he has all the solutions, but a company is just a building without skilled and experienced people, and a farm is just a barren piece of ground without a farmer who knows what he's doing. Even if the nationalisation thing had to happen tomorrow, the only people who would benefit are the Breitling wearing, hate spewing politicians. As soon as the contents of those companies and factories were pillaged completely, which wouldn't take long, everyone who is starving now would still be starving. You can't steal success, because it's not something that comes from the outside. Success, in it's truest, sustainable form, is something that starts in the mind, and manifests in the world.

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-24 00:51

      Nicely put Tamara.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 01:11

      Love your comments and your great work iro genocide watch. Keep it up and know that there are millions who support you, Tamara. Thank you.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 08:51

      Im a SWM, straight, no kids or baggage, great friends but lonely most of the time cos it never felt 'right' to settle down here. My instincts alert my senses to the point of infanticide (for their own good) without actually having kids, imagine that ;) Wish I knew a SWF whom I could take out of here, at least on holiday (never mind as a refugee) or to protect and just be accepted for that which I am...and endangered specie trying my best to survive and doing as little damage (or none) to any other in the process. But ja, my Jesus complex must be clearly evident and rather off putting (hence again my singularity) but in all sincerity, I wish I knew you as ones sees only fine qualities. And you achieved more than 30% no doubt AND reading you made me cry for the first time in a very long time. Take good care of you, Tamara. You're a rare and special human being. Thank you again.

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 15:45

      Palian, I write too. You can see what I am working on now by visting this page: http://www.theothersideofthestorynovel.info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55:prologue&catid=35:sample-chapters&Itemid=61

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 15:45

      Just a note though - this is unedited, and not finalised, so please forgive any spelling or grammar errors!

  • Totman - 2011-06-24 00:50

    Interesting all the stirrers are absent. Just shows you. It seams they are using pc and connections at work. The rest of us, that work for ourselves, doing that extra bit of work, studying or just like to use our own time to comment discussing a topic in a more decent way. Well I am off. Good night all.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 01:11

      I have a dream! ;)

  • BN2010 - 2011-06-24 00:50

    Well, clearly the government is not going to do anything, and the private sector is not going to do anything, which means it's up to ordinary middle-class South Africans to reach out to the poor and try to provide them with some basic skills or knowledge transfer that can help them uplift their communities. Take farming, for example, when I lived in Taipei, a modern city surrounded by mountains, if you went walking in the mountains you would find hundreds and thousands of small patches of land being farmed by the locals who lived in the city. Most of these were not bigger than 10m x 10m but they provided a small amount of subsistence farming and excesses were traded in open markets which served to bring the price of food down drastically. We need ordinary citizens to initiate programs like this and give their free time to develop & nurture such strategies that will uplift the poor majority. I believe everyone could have something to contribute, but it's about crossing the divide and reaching out to these people, rather than expecting the government to do it.... that's the true failure of post-aparthied white South Africa...expecting all debts to have been settled and thinking poverty alleviation is not their problem. With the advent of the Malema ideology we see it very much is out problem.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 01:32

      A noble thought, but I, for one, am sick and tired of doing 'gavaahment's' job and paying their salaries too while they continue their discourse at an accelerated speed. But hey, so did Titanic before it struck that peace of ice and we all know the rest of that story. Its the ANC failing the poor and all other class citizens, not the Boere, Mines, banks or women in general. So, after 17 years of so called 'rule' and 'gavaahment's' mostly failures (due to unwillingness and general no braining, coupled with criminal intent and lack of skills etc etc) I will not support or perform THEIR duties and will do everything in my power to my last breath to go against assisting this country in its full speed ahead, downward spiral...and it includes being an iceberg.

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 02:02

      @Palian: Of course you're frustrated with an disappointed in the government. It's a failed government, plain & simple. Maar wat nou? Are you going to stand there crying over spilt milk, endlessly blaming the govt while Julius & Floyd raise an army of Nazis 100% convinced that you are the problem? OR, are you going to actively negate that fallacy by contributing positively to the betterment of the country, thereby securing your vested interests and maintaining peace in the land? The government has failed, the government is therefore irrelevant. No point in blaming an irrelevant entity. Racial epithet's aside, I strongly believe in one thing "'n boer maak 'n plan". The only question is... are we going to blame the govt & make preparations for what will ultimately be our last stand, or are we going to address the root of the problem & uplift our brothers & sisters in poverty by extending the olive branch & sharing our expertise? Give a man a fish & he eats for a day, teach him to fish & he eats for a lifetime... you know the story, get involved. It's your country too after all, no matter what Julius says, so it's up to you & me to protect it.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 03:03

      @BN2010 My first duty is to myself. Its a sacred duty. As blanke man, Boer en mens het ek persoonlik nie n skuld om te dra vir wat apartheid gedoen het nie. Ek het nie deel in die veryking wat elite Afrikaners had met verdeling tussen grotere bevolking EN eie volk nie. Maak dit my ook nie 'n vorhenige minder bevoorregde nie? As blanke seun het ek onder dreiging en afdwing geleer hoe om soldaat te wees en was deel van 3000 man wat 55 000 se annslag gestop het tussen jare '87 en '88. Die laaste 17 jaar se gepaai en pamper en voorkeur gee het net mooi niks gedoen vir die 'minder bevoorregtes' aan wie ek (en talle ander) die spoils gewysig het nie, waar ek in my hele lewe niks van die beste of selfs 'n lae medium voordeel kon kry nie, behalwe die liefde van 'n enkel moeder wat ons geleer het om met minder as niks tevrede te wees en ook daarmee te deel nie. Ek doen vandag my plig, soos altyd, deur om na myself te kyk en na ander minder bevoorregtes, maar vandag eerder uit my eie ras wat minder bevooregd is en wat in die vuurlyn staan want dit is waarop dit neerkom, meneer. Of U dit weet of nie wil weet of wat ook al.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 03:04

      Vervolg: So verstan dat meer as my frustrasie is daar iets wat ek meer nie van hou en ook nie net gaan anvaar nie...'n skuldgevoel oor iets waarin ek geen skuld dra nie;en om nog die ander wang te wys. So ja, hierdie Boer maak plan. Prioritising Self Preservtion. My kop is nie in my gat nie. Onthou dat Piet Retief en die manne wat vermoor was het ook soos jy gevoel. Maar onthou ook Bloedrivier, die Anglo Boere oorlog (met die gepartgaande rassemoord wat op ons Boere uitgevoer is) asook Angola. Want hulle het klaar begin uitmoor en oorlog verklarings maak in optredes en uitlatings. Doen wat jy voel is reg. Ek stel voor jy neem jou mense na 'n veilige land. Ons 'oumanne' sal doen wat ons wereldwyd bekend is voor en wat ons die beste in die wereld in is. Wat ons KAN doen as dit MOET gedoen word, en nie noodwendig WIL doen nie. Kyk mooi na jou, my maat. Ek hoop ons kan eendag saam n tjoppie swaai ;)

      Karoobloed - 2011-06-24 04:39

      Palian, I was in Angola too on similar business. You come across as a decent fellow. However, I think BN2010 has a better handle on the attitude required if you wish to remain in the country. The only other option would be the heart-breaking decision to leave. Violence, as some Black or White haters are threatening, will obviously not resolve anything.

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 05:00

      @ Palian: It's not about feeling guilt. It's not about whether or not you are right (which you are). It's about the reality of the situation. If a man robs you at gunpoint and demands your money... are you going to give him your money or tell him to shoot?

      Brook - 2011-06-24 07:17

      White people why are you complaining for 300yrs blacks had to stand the abuse of the white goverment. And yes there where also Corruption but the media never publish it. Now with the black gov its all over the media think back what white people did to blacks let me tell you something what goes around comes around.

      daaivark - 2011-06-24 07:34

      @Palian: Ek is 'n Akrikaans-sprekende man wat al dieselfde dingetjies as jy deurgemaak het. EK het egter niks van jou haatgevoelens nie en wens mense wil eerder nie my moedertaal gebruik as hulle sulke haatlike gedagtes uiter nie. Ons is NIE almal soos jy nie. SA is my land en sal altyd wees, en dis 'n land vir ons almal. So what is the "gavaahment's job" that you do so well. As a loyal civil servant I am aching to know. Self-righteousness really p**ses me off.

      Felix - 2011-06-24 08:11

      @Brook, firstly, were you around 300yrs ago? How do you know who was treating who - how and why? A few whites got skewered on assegais and spears. Just remember if you don't stop the wheel when we have a chance it will spin all the way round again and you may not be on the top.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 10:09

      @daaivark If you want to challenge me, put a sword in your hand...

      Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-06-25 10:53

      @ daaivark, and here I was under the impression that you were an independent contractor working for the Western cape Health Department. It is what you have said on many occasions on your blog and in comments. Now who is the hypocrite?

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-06-24 00:52

    Job creation is as simple as pie. get rid of COSATO and all unions. get rid of stupid labor laws. Get rid of Mr. Dalema. This way South African industry and agriculture will stop their urgent drive to mechanize and rather use labor again as in the good days of the past. Unemployment burst after 1994. Amazing !!!!!

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 01:02

      Good luck with that one Jabu. Wishful thinking will get us nowhere. We need to be realistic about the way forward. People don't just go away just because you don't want them to. Malema and the ANCYL are playing a strategy that demonizes whites as the economic overlords of South Africa and promises restitution via illegal theft of private property. The only way to battle that is by proving them wrong with ACTION and not with words. He has a point, wealth does need to be distributed in SA. He has missed the point that it needs to be CREATED first. As I said, the government won't create this wealth, the private sector won't do it, so it's up to the educated, economically active population to sacrifice their time and start creating wealth by transferring their knowledge and contributing to poverty alleviation. That is the only way out.

      Jabulaniboy - 2011-06-24 01:13

      BN2010 Most of what you say is correct. The problem I have by virtue of my upbringing is that you work for wealth, and plough deep. The sense in the phrase "distribution of wealth" is simply EVIL.

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 01:52

      @Jabulaniboy I agree 100%. That's what I meant when I said the wealth needs to be CREATED first. Essentially, everyone has to work for their share, so what I mean when I say "distribution of wealth" I don't mean hand-outs, but I mean the creation of opportunities for uplifting those communities that have no access to education, jobs, and so on. Fundamentally, we need infrastructures to create those opportunities without relying on government or the private sector. It comes down to skills development and knowledge transfer that has to come directly from the previously advantaged groups in our society. All it is is a matter of giving up some time & a willingness to break that barrier of mistrust that has never truly been dismantled, and that the likes of Malema wish to build up as a path to political power. I don't believe in hand-outs, but knowledge should be freely shared among all stakeholders in society, and opportunities should developed in such a way that rapidly disseminates across all vectors of society. We need to view each other as brothers and HELP each other attain economic freedom as individuals, rather than cadres or members of some loosely defined racial or political demographic. We in SA have better access to technology, finance, education, pan-african and international trade than any other nation on the continent. Yet, we are a net importer. Thus, we have all the tools we need to turn this around. But do we have the will to do it?

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 02:11

      We need to make Malema irrelevant. We need to make his arguments and promises irrelevant. That's what we need. For that we, as individuals, need to open up and fill in the gaps where the government has failed.

  • Palian - 2011-06-24 01:02

    'because no one is offering better alternatives' One can therefore assume that a better alternative is enticement to murder of a certain minority group, confiscating land by violent forced means, marginalizing that same minority group and appropriating mines and banks via nationalisation. Its the ANC who fails the poor....not the mines, Boere or women of all races. The better alternative is to oust the 'ruling' party and their mouthpieces, Jellyarse and his boyfriend Mr Potatohead.

  • Palian - 2011-06-24 01:21

    'If not Malema, what else, expert asks' Peace, Love and Harmony. That's what else. Is it too hard for this 'expert' to grasp?

  • Tc - 2011-06-24 02:36

    I am now even more worried for the future of the country, more than ever! Maybe I should now really take the family and go!

      CalmAfrican - 2011-06-24 04:09

      Your worry too early. Everyone is lazy in doing anything including those that have means. I support those that say we need to stop distrusting each other, but that does not mean we must negligently trust each other. Those with the know-how must start doing with those that know less. Let us stop labelling each other as uneducated,unskilled vs the intelligent and the skilled. If you belong here, you do not have to go anywhere. If you emmigrate, you prove exactly the point that some do not belong here. This country needs to be built, and some amongst us are busy with that.

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 07:37

      Quite frankly, myselves, and most of the people I know, couldn't care less about proving points. We didn't support the NP, we don't support the ANC, and we don't want to be killed simply because some people want to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Will I be called a coward if I leave? Probably. Will I care if I, and my family, can live in peace? Hell no.

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 07:39

      Quite frankly, myselves, and most of the people I know, couldn't care less about proving points. We didn't support the NP, we don't support the ANC, and we don't want to be killed simply because some people want to enrich themselves at the expense of others. Will I be called a coward if I leave? Probably. Will I care if I, and my family, can live in peace? Hell no.

      Neles - 2011-06-24 10:52

      @TamaraSays - I agree no-one supported the NP, that's why they ruled pre-1994 and even won the Western Cape in the first democratic elections - but don't worry, no-one supported them. NP 1994 3,983,690 votes 20.39% 82 seats. DP 338,426 votes 1.73% 7 seats. I guess most of the people you know were supporting the DP.

      THE.SRG - 2011-06-24 12:39

      well i say its not bad to have back up plans...im not saying everyone should pack up and leave,just be prepared to leave fast if the sh*t hits the fan,me i got my UK passport and im leaving in august not because of malema the delema but cause there are just better conditions and they appreciate hard work there.give the job to the guy who works harder and wants to work...not the one who previously disadvantaged,im fine with giving them the work but they must know what they are doing and not just have the job cause of the color of their skin.

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 15:26

      Neles, check the facts - the NP, even at the height of their popularity, only managed to secure around 60% of the vote. Since there were around 5.5 million white South Africans at the time, that means that roughly 2.2 million white South Africans DID NOT vote for the NP. The main reason? They were English speakers, and the NP weren't particularly hot on the English either. Does that mean that I need to threaten to kill Afrikaaners? Don't think so.

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 15:27

      Sorry, very rough states - but we can infer, from that sampling, that at least 40% of South Africans did not support the NP. Food for thought, innit?

      Neles - 2011-06-24 15:39

      "Neles, check the facts" - i fail to find a single fact in your comment. "at the height of their popularity" - which year? "Since there were around 5.5 million white South Africans at the time" - again, which year? "but we can infer," - no i can't, but u may "food for thought, innit?" - uh ... innot

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-25 04:28

      My apologies. Here are a few links you might find worth reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_general_election,_1989, and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Party_%28South_Africa%29, pay particular attention to the section on support. And finally, there are stats on the increase and decrease of the white population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_South_African I know googling is hard, but if you want to make an argument, and you expect it to be taken seriously, you really should try it. Also, before you denounce this as the 'white man's magic' or some such nonsense, remember that Wikipedia is an internationally owned site, and that they only accept entries that have valid, verifiable sources. So there you have it. Apartheid only had, at the most, 60% of the white vote. Sucks to be wrong, doesn't it?

  • Hasan X - 2011-06-24 04:05

    Some of you act as if it was the Zulu went across the oceans colonizing India, Africa,etc.... You pretend it was the Xhosa who came into the western cape shooting and looting-then building cities on the ruins. Now you attempt to blame all the country's woes on the Blacks themselves? Conveniently leaving out the role of whites in the entire matter.-We remember how you like it- whites only paradise. Jobs for "the bleks"? 'Let them find jobs for their own'. You didn't care about jobs for blacks then and you don't care about jobs now. You care about your vanishing privilege. Yet you actually work against your stated goal to "save" South Africa by purposely trying to create a negative image abroad. You are your own worst enemy. "There go those white south Africans again." Meanwhile the most of the people of color remain unemployed. THAT should be the focus. This group must become a SELF functioning part of the economy,-and whites won't be the group that leads the effort to do that. They never have. Peace.

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 04:47

      But surely they can contribute? I think the white population has done more than recognize the horrors of aparthied, which you conveniently accuse all whites of committing. Not all whites supported apartheid, and many were jailed and murdered for their vociferous opposition to it. See, you are just as guilty of generalization and racism as the whites. It seems you don't want the whites here no matter whether they have a positive contribution to make or not. You just want to bring up the past again & again & again. Yes, you are right in the fact that the whites cannot solve the problems of this country, only the black population can truly help themselves, but they choose not to, by always harking on about the past, because it's easier to blame the whites than actually do something for yourselves. Case in point, the last elections. There are violent protests going on around the country about service delivery & whatnot, being conducted by the very people who kept the ANC in power. That's just laziness, or an unwillingness to work with the "white" parties for no reason other than Helen Zille is white. That's just racism. So be careful about pointing fingers, there are four fingers pointing back at you!

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 04:52

      & enough about colonialism already. Taiwan was first a portugues colony, then a dutch colony, then a Japanese colony... and now it is one of the richest countries in the world. They had no natural resources and an island smaller than the Kruger park and they're doing so well with a population half as big as ours. SO you argument doesn't hold weight..it's the argument of losers, idiots and lazy buffoons who prefer to sit around picking their noses all day blaming others rather than actually getting some work done.

      BN2010 - 2011-06-24 04:55

      and finally, the Zuulus and Xhosas DID come down into Southern Africa colonizing it and killing the San and Khoi, just like the Europeans, right about the same time as the Europeans. Go learn your history you freakin moegoe!

  • John D - 2011-06-24 04:39

    Whatever the failings were of the previous white government, they handed over an economy and infrastructure that was in excellent shape. Over the past 17 years the people in power have been so concerned about enriching themselves and their families that they havent given the poor communities a thought. It would be interesting to see many multi millionaires have been created in the "previously disadvantaged community" over the past 17 years. A strong black middle and upper class is needed and this new found wealth would be good if these riches were gained legitimately and the newly rich lived by their supposed principles and were looking to improve the lot of the poor. These self same people are still calling each other "Comrade" which suggests a communist leaning but they are all 100% self serving capitalists who are using the vote of the masses to retain power and further add to their wealth. The sad thing is that the poor still believe that their leaders have their best interests at heart, this is a myth that will be perpetuated while the vote from the masses is still needed to retain power. If Malema and his cronies ever come to power it would be enlightening to hear their excuses as to why there are job losses and poverty on a scale never experienced before. Redistribution of wealth is one thing but this money is spent over time and unless there are ways of sustaining this wealth it wont be long before everyone is worse off than before with no prospect of recovery.

      Neles - 2011-06-24 10:42

      "Whatever the failings were of the previous white government, they handed over an economy and infrastructure that was in excellent shape." lol

      John D - 2011-06-24 15:19

      I dont know why this observation caused the "lol" comment, we never had power outages, always had good pothole free roads and an excellent banking system. The country was in good economic shape, my background was in banking so I should know.

      Neles - 2011-06-24 15:24

      by we - you mean?

      John D - 2011-06-24 15:52

      The roads were for everyone to use, the power was reliable for all paying consumers and our banks were and still are world class. By "we" I mean all who used and paid for these facilities. I am not in a position or even trying to make apologies for all who didnt or couldnt make use of the public infrastructure, all I am saying is that it was good and reliable. Those who could afford it were fortunate and I know many people of all colours who could afford it. I suspect that the same ones who were not able to afford electricity and water in those days are still unable to do so today, 17 years after "freedom".

      Neles - 2011-06-24 16:40

      wow - utopia. anyway, believe what you want to, i don't feel like rustling ostriches today - maybe next week.

  • Obzino Latino - 2011-06-24 04:56

    Once you lie in a formal engagement or twist facts as this SA Institute of Race Relations chief executive's John Kane-Berman does, misrepresenting government policy on HIV and offering some detached analysis of challenges facing black people, you loose credibility on the spot. Unfortunately it is this misinformed right-wing institution of Afrikaners that continue to think and reason along apartheid lines - whether they are deliberately ignorant or they are just suffering from racial stereotypes you never know - this fellow speaks, but all is just a bunch of nonsense. In Zim White monopolies where given enough time to cooperate - what did they do - resist transformation and so is the case in SA, and this fellow just can't wake up to that - all he see is ANC government failing the people as all of them think - this is annoying indeed

      Felix - 2011-06-24 08:20

      "continue to think and reason along apartheid lines" then "White monopolies". Hypocrit much?

      mike - 2011-06-24 08:58

      and where is zim now?

      Neles - 2011-06-24 13:00

      As I said before news24 muzzled my opinion info bill style - John Kane-Berman, in a single sentence, blamed blacks for all of SA's problems cause and effect and he has a fan group calling him brilliant who most probably reported my comment to their mom the editor.

  • Sean - 2011-06-24 05:21

    Piss off you twat, you have NO clue what you're talking about.. It's not about him offering the blacks something no one else is, it's about him slaughtering the whites in order to do it you toss. .If you can blatantly standby and say that one ethnics demise is the answer of another's up liftment then you deserve a bullet like Malema..

  • Taurus15 - 2011-06-24 06:17

    @ John Kane-Berman: Good article! I would vote for you as president anyday!

      Neles - 2011-06-24 10:46

      of course you would, he shares your view that blacks are the cause of all of SA's problems.

  • Yankee - 2011-06-24 06:18

    Hey all of you. You warawara this and warawara that. The answer lies in the freedom charter of the ANC. 'The national wealth of our country, the heritage of South Africans, shall be restored to the people; The mineral wealth beneath the soil, the Banks and monopoly industry shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole' Do you now understand the process or shall I ask Julius to come and explain this to you again.

      mike - 2011-06-24 06:39

      go back to sleep

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 07:39

      Ah, people as a whole. Nice sentiment. So where does shoot the boer fit in? Where does land expropriation without compensation fit in? You can't base your argument on something, and then only choose the bits you like. The freedom charter guaranteed those rights to ALL South Africans, of all races. What's going on now is nothing like that.

      TamaraSays - 2011-06-24 07:41

      Ah, people as a whole. Nice sentiment. So where does shoot the boer fit in? Where does land expropriation without compensation fit in? You can't base your argument on something, and then only choose the bits you like. The freedom charter guaranteed those rights to ALL South Africans, of all races. What's going on now is nothing like that.

  • Die_ Buiter - 2011-06-24 06:28

    It is time! Wake-up South Africa!

  • Human - 2011-06-24 06:41

    @canuck13 you are spot on,why should few people benefit from SA mineral wealth?I am of an idea that every natural or environmental resource should belong to the people of South Africa. But it must be done properly so that we don't have the elite capturing what is meant for the poor!!!

  • Neef Gert - 2011-06-24 06:44

    mmmmmmmmmm......let me see.......Mr.John Kane-Berman - Have you followed the election? DA did a lot better than the ANC and will even do better next time. No corruption, nepotism, cadre deployment, patronage, tenderpreneurship, fronting, affirmative action, black economic empowerment, and the other familiar components.

      daaivark - 2011-06-24 07:38

      Neef, moet asseblief nie my moedertaal vir hou naam gebruik as jy besig is met sulke snert nie. Netnou dink mense ons is almal so vol stront. Hoe seker is jy van jou aangeleerde geskiedenisles? Ek het self daardie geskiedenis in my ingemoker gekry, en een ding wat almal weet is dat geskiedenis gewysig word deur elke kommentator.

      Neef Gert - 2011-06-24 08:27

      @daaivark, jy is seker n "potbelly" vark. Kan nie eers spel nie. JY is n disgrace. As jy my gedeelte reg gelees het, sou n gewone mens met n lae IK net n halwe sin nodig gehad het om te verstaan wat ek bedoel. Jou, ja JOU ANC vir wie jy gestem het, is vol van jou tipe. Korrupsie, nepotism, ens. Het jy die nodige geleerdheid gekry om so iets te kan verstaan? Glo nie. Jy moes meer gemoker gewees het!!!!!!

  • Vince.York - 2011-06-24 06:51

    WHY have our erudite elders, those shining beacons that light the way and are meant to comprise the pillars of Democracy in Justice, Higher Education, Commerce & Industry and SOCIAL SERVICES especially for illiterate, underprivileged and uneducated - adopted a retrogressive silent mode of retarded action for so long? Too busy with enriching themselves these days by chance? Even activists went forward with full conviction in the past, some suffering loss of limbs through blasts to shape society into a stage where it can normalize WITH LOUD LEADING VOICES, but somewhere "silence" and apathetic lethargy has crept in where what should be regarded as legitimate business & financial institutes are doing nothing different to the elitist gang evidenced by this 'malema troika in a trough'. A recent passing of a LEADER 'Asmal' can be equivalated to the loss of a mandela, or sisulu, BUT also comparatively in value to 5 Billion zuma's and 500 Billion malema's so WORTHLESS has the leadership become. The pseudo African quasi communist FAILED POLICIES and attitudes that have repeatedly exhibited across the world are very much the core reason for the emergence of this situation right now as mentioned in the article but are not emphasized enough. A leader is no better than the WORST OFF INDIVIDUAL in his environ so go ask that cast-out straggler with lice ridden dreads living under the bridge shying away from water and YOUR society what is wrong today because HE has become your leader.

  • ShakaN - 2011-06-24 07:04

    Although I have sympathy for the poor, i feel that most of the poor have no inclination of doing anthing more than sitting around and waiting for a government hand out. Most when offered a job are more interested in doing as little as possible for the biggest pay. Most are only interested in reproducing so that they can sit back and wait for the next generation to take care of them. If J.M our national clown appeals to those voters then S.A might as well go back to living in Kraals and killing one another with spears.

  • patrice - 2011-06-24 07:13

    Malema has not spelt out how the poor will benefit from nationalisation, because it is unclear and uncertain how anyone will, but it is one hell of a war cry. When will the famous poor realise how they are being suckered by Malema with promises of something for nothing ?

  • Badger - 2011-06-24 07:27

    The problem is that goverment CAN offer them better. They could use the billions of rands stolen by goverment officials to improve lifes. Once corruption is rooted out there will be funds to help the poor. It is simple, goverment should stop stealing.

  • muzuzsecond2 - 2011-06-24 07:40

    Hey we want those mines and that land. Mayibuye i Africa!!! Viva Julius Viva!!!

      Badger - 2011-06-24 08:27

      What will you do with it once you have it?

      mike - 2011-06-24 09:00

      @badger - run them into the ground

      THE.SRG - 2011-06-24 13:05

      once ahain "WANT"...and "VIVA"....we all wnt to be rich my friend but not everyone gets what they want...thus some start to work for what they want wile the lazy ones get left behind,good luck to you when you get what you want cause it wont be the sweet dream you expect it to be...but for malema it will wile the rest of you rot away...you are a brainless tit

  • WTF - 2011-06-24 07:46

    Nationalisation is the wool that is pulled over the eyes of the poor masses, just like "everyone will get a house". They are like magicians who get their audience to focus on the left hand so that they do not notice what is being done with the right. I aggree with this gent, you want to create 1 million jobs? Free up the labour market by getting rid of the Unions and changing the employment laws to encourage business owners to employ.

  • jabski - 2011-06-24 07:53

    malema does have a point and it isnt a race issue ie why should so much of our natural resources be in the hands of a few wealthy people in the city of london???? surely the wealth created by this should be for us taxpayers to share and not divvied up by the landed gentry overseas. there is some credence to his agenda but you have to find the middle ground. WE should be relieving our tax and welfare burden by what we have under the ground!!!

  • Zinki - 2011-06-24 08:08

    At last! Someone who speaks the truth and sees things as they really are and is not afraid to speak up. Well done, Mr Kane-Berman. Now let's hope someone listens and takes your advice!

  • frederick777 - 2011-06-24 08:13

    If you do not work you can not eat. Then you deserve to starve. The only with an excuse are the children and the elderly. If yuo give away stuff for free, houses, medical, land, they will never learn!!!!!!!!! Privatise everyting. The goverment should only provide safety (police, army) and corporal punishment (jails)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • frederick777 - 2011-06-24 08:15

    O yes, and reduce tax to 10% for everyone. It is unfair discrimination that the harder and smarter you work, you get punished by paying higher tax rates!!!!!!!!!

  • biskit - 2011-06-24 08:27

    We need to start working together people not AGAINST each other we're a Proud Nation with Loads of Potential - We need to shift our mind sets on both side of the fence

  • Stryder - 2011-06-24 08:30

    This article is not true, alternatives are being offered. The problme is that realistic solutions cannot ocmpare with the ludicrous ideas of Malema. The only alternative that would seem more attractive than "free money for nothing" would be more "free money for nothing" than Malema is offering and that would be a lie. The truth cannot prevail when lies are being believed as a person's perception is their reality.

  • Johann - 2011-06-24 08:36

    What I like about this article is that it addresses our biggest problem (just like Malema), namely - 'we have too many poor people in this country'. This is a serious problem that needs solving. Not only for the obvious humane reasons but also to protect industry (and the rich) from being 'grabbed', vandalized or robbed. What is the solution then? The solution is simple - economic development/growth. However, sadly current government policies favour the labourers and thereby suppresses economic growth. Why? Because the labourers have the vote. And that's democracy! As long as we have democracy, the poor will always demand more at the cost of economic development and most importantly, in the long run, at their own peril.

  • Notbuyinface - 2011-06-24 08:40

    This presentation presumes there is consesus that Malema's views are flawed. No one countered at intellectual level except scary tactics about the country sliding into Zim and worse. I still have to hear anyone saying this is not going to work because it is impossible.

      Stryder - 2011-06-24 09:15

      @Notbuyinface-Actually absolutely everyone is saying that this will not work: 1) It has not worked anywhere else in the world. 2) Our parastatals are not run properly 3) Any money gained will be stolen through corruption, tenders for buddies etc. 4) The system will be abused and only a select elite will benefit. 5) No body has discussed how these assets will be distributed. Who decides who gets what. 6) Even if everyone gets an equal share, that will not amount to much money at the end of the day.

      Notbuyinface - 2011-06-24 11:46

      Thats not true, In Botswana that works very well with the same Openheimers who opposes it here. SARS, SARB,TELKOM,DENEL, IDC and many others are govt contrlloed but they run profitably and effeciently. So that arguement holds no substence. I believe we have some of the brilliant skills in the country to make it work and let the world model from us, we did it with reconciliation.

  • biskit - 2011-06-24 08:41

    Give a man a fish he'll be back the following day - Teach him how to fish and he'll be a fisherman for life. You choose

  • nn.prv - 2011-06-24 09:01

    You Mr Race Relations,smell of racist tendencies, calling other people "creatures" is a shame to your organisation. You are supposed to be smarter than that.Obviously not the case.

  • Bemused - 2011-06-24 09:06

    Why is it that the whites are to blame for the unemployment numbers, dropping of education and health standards and everything else that is not acceptable to the black people in SA. Why do the blacks not create the next tranch of big business, education and health standards, etc, etc, themselves. Do it all properly and the rest of the world will be cueing up to join the party. By wanting to simply take away from the whites because they haven't created their own industrial base will simply make everyone else want to run a mile. If the whites have gotten rich off the exploitation of the country's recourses all they have to do is copy and voila, everyone else will be rich as well. Time to put their money where their mouths are, methinks.

  • Liberated - 2011-06-24 09:12

    Its only the rich and newly created middle class that dislike Malema. Us the poor would love for mines to be nationalised and land expropriated without compensation. And trust me this is going to happen in the not so distant future.

      Neef Gert - 2011-06-24 09:39

      @liberated. Do you honestly think you can steal the land if YOU have already murdered the rightfull owners and stole it from them 400 years ago and displaced them? YOU were then 400 years ago murderous landgrabbers!!!!!!! YOU are really sick, my friend. Need to go and see a docter. Honestly.