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Info bill 'has constitutional implications'

2011-11-22 10:40

Johannesburg - The protection of state information bill (POIB) has huge constitutional implications and should not be passed in its current form, the Right2Know Campaign said on Tuesday.

Speaking amongst a group of protesters gathered outside Luthuli House, a member of the campaign, Glenda Daniels, said the media have already had a taste of what's to come should the bill be passed.

She was referring to the recent charges brought against the Mail & Guardian and two journalists by presidential spokesperson Mac Maharaj over a story.

"We will not stop fighting and no, we haven't lost hope."

She added that the next option would be to bring the matter to the Constitutional Court.

Protests

The bill will come before the National Assembly for a vote later on Tuesday. There were protests against the bill taking place in Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban and Cape Town.

Some of the protesters outside Luthuli House stood on opposite sides of the road carrying placards which read "Sine lungelo lokwazi" which translates "we have the right to know".

Other placards read "We won't be silent", "Let the truth be told" and "Don't think you are going to conceal fault by concealing evidence."

The National Press Club asked people opposed to the bill to wear black clothes, a black ribbon or a black armband.

It named the campaign "Black Tuesday", based on what became known as "Black Wednesday" - October 19 1977, when the apartheid government banned The World, the Sunday World and a Christian publication Pro Veritas, as well as almost 20 people and organisations associated with the black consciousness movement.

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Comments
  • Sganja - 2011-11-22 10:43

    Down with proposed info bill down!!!

      Bardy - 2011-11-22 10:44

      Down with the ANC as well!

      Herman - 2011-11-22 10:45

      And now S, you gone bonkers?

      Bardy - 2011-11-22 10:48

      Sganja is finally seeing the light Herman! LOL!

      Willie - 2011-11-22 11:01

      Someone needs to organise back bones for ANC MP's.They will support anything that comes before them.Some voted for abortion biil against their will just because the party says so.Where is democracy in this party

      Sharmay - 2011-11-22 11:01

      Well done. You finally see some sense.

      Ann - 2011-11-22 11:02

      THIS BILL MUST NOT BE PASSED. HOWEVER, THOSE WHO ARE VOTING THIS AFTERNOON MIGHT FEEL PRESSURED TO VOTE IN FAVOUR OF ITS BEING PASSED BECAUSE THEIR JOBS DEPEND ON IT. JUST A THOUGHT ....

      Herman - 2011-11-22 11:03

      hahahahaha, until he finds another crack of nonsence to shed.....

      Poloyatonki - 2011-11-22 11:04

      Bardy - "Down with the ANC" I think you are now going too far, I dont support the bill but i still remain loyal to ANC.

      Sganja - 2011-11-22 11:13

      Wow for the first time I have more thumbs up.Viva Anc Viva!!!

      JacquesJ - 2011-11-22 11:14

      @poloy a step in the right direction bud. another year or two for you bud.

      Bardy - 2011-11-22 11:16

      @ Poloyatonki - I have seen your comments in previous posts. You are a racist and a troll. Please do not address me.

      TSR01 - 2011-11-22 11:19

      It is our RIGHT to WRITE! Down with the POIB!! Don't pass the bill!!

      brendan.beech - 2011-11-22 11:39

      @Polo — the ANC is not interested in what you have to say, my boy, can't you see that? so best all the ANC supporters just shoosh now and stop making a noise about service delivery, equality, unemployment the ANC does not want to hear about your problems, my china bean

      brendan.beech - 2011-11-22 11:41

      @Sganja, that applies to you as well, my dear communist comrade

      Sganja - 2011-11-22 11:53

      No to the proposed bill,we are tired of being misled.Is either we stop these people now or never.Amandla!!

      Spiral - 2011-11-22 12:21

      P & S - you guys are just missing to O's between the 2 of you & you're good to go... & possibly a 's at the end

      Tyson - 2011-11-23 06:40

      BE SMART! GO AND READ THE BILL FIRST B4 COMMENTING! A = Analyse what you have read N = Nothing comes from ignorance C = Comment on the bill that you have read

  • Alva - 2011-11-22 10:46

    The ANC government has removed all doubt of their intention to cover-up! I am hoping that ANC MPs will vote with their consciences today and not take us back into the days of apartheid censorship!

      JohnnyBGood - 2011-11-22 10:55

      We can only hope, but they have been told "vote yes, or you will be out." This is a very SAD day for the WHOLE OF SOUTH AFRICA. This is where black and white must unite

  • Marion - 2011-11-22 10:50

    I'm wearing black today.

      TSR01 - 2011-11-22 11:20

      Me too :) Going to the protest at Parliament in CPT - http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_the_secrecy_bill_events/?pa - bring a friend or two, or three or four, and while you're at it, even more! :)

  • Transkie Sun - 2011-11-22 10:50

    Communist, Shameful, sickness, uneducated, lying, selfish, blasphemy, no god, poor, disease, greedy, gluttony, anger, lawless, racist, SOUTH AFRICA may god save your sole

      Chris - 2011-11-22 16:14

      my shoes and fish seem fine ???

  • ArnoNico - 2011-11-22 10:50

    In protest please make your Facebook profiles black. Many people are doing it to raise awareness.

  • Shirley - 2011-11-22 10:53

    The anc has lost all crediblity as a DEMOCRATIC government. If this bill passes then we are heading the way of dictatorship countries and investors are watching! They realy must have a lot to hide!!!

  • Kieron - 2011-11-22 10:54

    FREEDOM of information. The word FREEDOM was put there for a reason.

  • Jerhone - 2011-11-22 10:56

    as the doobie brothers sang 'we're takin' it to the streets " in a very big way and very soon, hold on to your hats you ANC pigs

  • Dominique - 2011-11-22 11:00

    'Today the pigs in the main house want to add curtains' - Animal Farm, George Orwell

  • Chrono - 2011-11-22 11:02

    Judge Mogoeng must already be rubbing his hands....

  • Sean - 2011-11-22 11:05

    A few years ago the ANC government passed another law which trampelled on the rights of law abiding south africans. This was the Firearms Control Act. Back then firearm owners warned that this was the start of many future laws that would see all important freedoms removed by an increasingly oppresive ANC. Well, here we are and the press is now having their turn as firearm owners did back in 2000. The press now calls for support from all spheres of society as firearm owners did. Back then though it was a good deal of the press that actually supported the FCA and helped sell firearm rights down the river. Funny now that the pen is not so mighty when the government has no sword to fear. The pen is never mightier than when it foretells the comming of righteous men with swords. If you do not believe me then you have not been watcing the developements in the Arab Spring. Words can only do so much and then men with guns have to make good on what has been written. The ANC no longer fears the pen because it can tell of no danger to them.

      JohnnyBGood - 2011-11-22 11:17

      @Sean, very well put, very eloquent.

  • Perfume - 2011-11-22 11:10

    ALMOST 14 years ago to the day, former president Nelson Mandela told journalists that press freedom would never be under threat in South Africa for as "long as the ANC is the majority party".....hmmmmmmmmm

      Stephen - 2011-11-22 11:55

      For as long as Mandela's ANC was in the majority, they're long gone.

      Sean - 2011-11-22 14:17

      I wish everyone would get off the Saint Mandela myth. He was just another deployed cadre who lied when the party needed him to.

  • Transkie Sun - 2011-11-22 11:14

    Communist, Shameful, sickness, uneducated, lying, selfish, blasphemy, no god, poor, disease, greedy, gluttony, anger, lawless, racist, SOUTH AFRICA may god save your sole

  • Vit-E - 2011-11-22 11:15

    I'm wearing black today

  • Dickson - 2011-11-22 11:15

    Didn't apartheid already show that these methods don't work? When a black government oppresses people is it also called apartheid? When the government works for the people of South Africa and we pay their salaries, we should have full access to everything they do.

      Schalk - 2011-11-22 17:31

      Dickson, you've go it all wrong, When a white government oppresses people, it is called apartheid. When a black government oppresses people, it is called BEE, or employment equity, or affirmative action, or RDP, or... I share the sentiment of many commentators on this topic - we are entering a new era in our beautiful South Africa, where the "Party" (ANC) rules and everyone that does not agree with, or would dare to oppose, the "Party" is liable to become an enemy of the state. Forget about Zimbabwe. Rather look at what happened under the rule of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot and the likes. Suddenly the "tri-partheid alliance" gets a new meaning, and one cannot otherwise but wonder who is actually the leading party (but with the Secretary General of the Communist Party holding the same position in the ANC, should one really wonder?)...

      mark.dennill - 2011-11-22 23:21

      my sentiments exactly. I wonder how they would do if they had to actually had to generate their own revenue rather than raping the handful of law abiding citizens.

  • Jabulani - 2011-11-22 11:16

    If people feel so strong about the constitutionality of this Bill then why not wait until its promulgated and thereafter approach the Constitutional Court(CC) for a declaratory order. I still have trust in our courts and I sure that if the constitutionality of it is doubt,the CC will not hesitate to strike it off.

      Marita - 2011-11-22 14:31

      What is a bogus (pretended) democracy? In a bogus or sham democracy, elections are used (i.e. misused) to serve (among other) as a tool to legitimize the power of a non-democratic political establishment or to serve as a source of profiteering and income for a large number of people would not have been able to compete for jobs in a stable and productive economy.

  • estee.de.beer - 2011-11-22 11:16

    I think the ANC should include, in future office designs, a protesters area since they host one every other week.

  • joelstew - 2011-11-22 11:17

    ¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦ ¦ ¦¦¦¦everything ¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦¦ is¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ fine ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦ ¦ ¦¦¦¦¦ love,¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦ your ¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ government

      Perfume - 2011-11-22 11:33

      ¦¦¦¦ ¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦ ¦ ¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦¦ ¦¦¦¦ ¦¦ ¦¦¦

      Herman - 2011-11-22 11:37

      True.

  • Terry - 2011-11-22 11:19

    Where are all those freedom figthers now? oh, yes of course, they are all fighting freedom

  • Stephen - 2011-11-22 11:49

    Welcome to South Thugrica

      Nathi - 2011-11-22 11:57

      Kettle calling the pot black...excuse the pun!

  • Entity.Unknown - 2011-11-22 12:16

    Isn't this obvious to any human being with even a TINY bit of intelligence that they want to make decisions that they KNOW the people arent going to be happy with and THAT is why they dont want us to know. As soon as its passed I wouldnt be surprised if even more money goes missing *cough* I mean into their bank accounts and property investments all over the world. *cough* *cough*

      brendan.beech - 2011-11-22 12:29

      what? corruption? in OUR government? *shock-shock-horror-horror*

  • RethaGroenewald01 - 2011-11-22 12:59

    The problem is... no one is going to listen

  • xmanganyi - 2011-11-22 13:05

    ANC is loosing it

  • Lekgwakgwa - 2011-11-22 13:24

    The end of ANC plain how to rule the country where is the future of our children and the rainbow nation.

  • 3pherb - 2011-11-22 14:22

    We as South Africans need to protest this. We need 20,000 people to march to Parliament and the Union buildings.....It is our right!!!!

  • hadedah - 2011-11-22 15:20

    Doomsday is approaching when the public will have no say what so ever in the running of the Country.Most intelligent people will not take part in voting for the ANC at the next elections. I agree with Sganja down with the proposed bill, what are they hiding from us?

  • Fulufhelo - 2011-11-22 15:30

    If people feel so strong about the constitutionality of this Bill then why not wait until its promulgated and thereafter approach the Constitutional Court(CC) for a declaratory order. I still have trust in our courts and I sure that if the constitutionality of it is doubt,the CC will not hesitate to strike it off

  • Virginia - 2011-11-22 16:03

    I hope this secrecy bill is for the whole country not just government officials. People out there espec ially the voters of the ANC, you know what you have to do next election, this will be the ultimate protest against them, DO IT, YES YOU CAN!!!!

  • barrybru - 2011-11-22 17:11

    I am not at all surprised that practically all the ANC MP's voted for the bill. They have no morals or ethics and simply follow the will of the party.

  • Tyson - 2011-11-23 06:41

    BE SMART! GO AND READ THE BILL FIRST B4 COMMENTING! A = Analyse what you have read N = Nothing comes from ignorance C = Comment on the bill that you have read

  • Schalk - 2011-11-23 07:01

    Willie, Wie se brood ek eet, die se woord ek spreek!

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