Info bill pressure is working - Press Club

2011-09-20 07:31

Johannesburg - The delay of Parliament's vote on the protection of state information bill proves that pressure on the government is working, the National Press Club said on Tuesday.

"We remain of the view that the bill is unconstitutional. All clauses that infringe on our rights need to be withdrawn," club chairperson Yusuf Abramjee said.

"The National Press Club will continue to express its views on this issue and work with related organisations against the bill in its current form possibly being tabled in the future," he said.

The ANC postponed Parliament's vote on the bill at the eleventh hour on Monday to allow for further consultation, but said the legislation would be finalised by the end of the year.

ANC chief whip Mathole Motshekga said the decision was made because interest groups had asked for another chance to make input on the state secrets legislation.

"If we have sections of society saying they still need to be heard... we have to listen to them," he said.

Pressed for a time frame, he said: "By the end of the year, we are going to finalise this bill."

The bill was expected to be passed by the National Assembly on Tuesday.

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-09-20 07:36

    Don't fool yourselves, the pressure isn't working - they are just plugging holes so that it can't go to constitutional court and get thrown out. The bill is coming whether honest South Africans want it or not - because the VERY corrupt officials who need protection are the ones voting it in....

      PB - 2011-09-20 07:40

      They have no qualms - the Constitutional Court is no problem for the ANC - they have appointed judge moegoe for exactly this reason.

      Lyndatjie - 2011-09-20 07:45

      @PB... LOL - forgot that one! touche!

      Henk - 2011-09-20 08:22

      The Skeleton clauset is almost bursting at the hinges. They worked their behinds off to get Judge Moegoe into place. Hanswors Julias is dancing his bum off with 'shoot the boer' to get a side show going. What a freak show this African National Circus is!

      50something - 2011-09-20 08:25

      I can't agree more

      BlackSwan - 2011-09-20 08:26

      Of cause they must plug the holes, how stupid would they be if they passed it only for the white minority DA to have a go at it. This makes them clever actually. And funny enough you forget that "plugging" holes means they will be taking into consideration the public outcry (public = YOU). But this will never be enough for you, I feel so so sorry for you hey...

      50something - 2011-09-20 08:32

      BlackSwan - get real man - the feel buggerall for public outcry. Why make a sudden 180 deg turn on a bill that was "ready" to be passed? They are playing games and want to save themselves the embarresment of a flawed law and now all of a sudden it is to allow more consultation haha. Thay can't fool those with brains.

      Moron - 2011-09-20 09:14

      We will amend some of the constitution clauses to teach whites serious lessons. Viva infor bill

      JMsays - 2011-09-20 09:27

      @moron, you do know that the Info bill (Secrecy bill) is against YOU! Just because you hate the white man so much you are willing to give up YOUR rights, haha, you are the stupidest man in Africa...

      King Cheetah - 2011-09-20 09:41

      Yes it is Lynn...sadly it is :((((...and as for the PRESS club trolling and claiming they got it delayed... NO wonder the Evil Regime wants to silence them they report absolute cr///p half the time...grrr!! To the Press Club....its was US Normal/ Rational Citizens who got this BILL DELAYED... NOT THE PRESS CLUB... DEAL WITH B..*&^%$#*

      GuyverXT9 - 2011-09-20 09:50

      BlackSwan: People like you are the reason the ANC is getting away with all their corrupt deals. Such a moron. You have no place in modern society.

      Meanleader - 2011-09-20 12:05

      This billmight get passed , but it won 't go far because it will be injuncted at the constitutional court , and will have to be moderated inline with the ruling ....this will take years . More than anything else , it is a type of intimidation to the press table such fraud , and threaten to pass it as law .

      Lyndatjie - 2011-09-21 07:40

      @BlackSwan... how can you possibly change this into a black/white fight again? The proposed Info Bill is an abomination against ALL South Africans. Trying to make this a racist fight shows just how little you truly understand what is going to happen when this bill gets passed. So instead of sitting here spitting forth your vitriole - go and educate yourself on the bill and then come back and speak from an informed viewpoint and not the normal black/white indoctrination that some people thrive on.... ai...

  • Deadr4t - 2011-09-20 07:44

    I doubt it. Government just isn't efficient.

  • errol.wagner - 2011-09-20 07:55

    Most interesting - they have now said they will consult with the different groups but on the other hand they also said the bill will go throuhg as is - so what is the purpose of the consultation - it is like everything the ANC does - we listen and then we do what we have decided before hand to do - give a semblance of demoocrasy - I am not hold my breath.

      Buffalo - 2011-09-20 08:48

      The purpose of the `consultation' is like everything that the anc does: to get more of the taxpayers' money into their `bottomless pit' pockets. Thieves!

  • happycamper - 2011-09-20 07:56

    I cant believe that this was considered...what a waste of time. If the bill is accepted - it is a true sign of the intensions of the ANC and that is to put this country back in the 70's & 80's except for that it will be the whites being oppress.

      Buffalo - 2011-09-20 08:51

      You mean that the whites are not being oppress(ed) now. Stop smoking that green mountain cabbage happycamper, it is blurring your vision.

  • Slapper - 2011-09-20 08:01

    I don't think so. I think the delay is more a case of incompetence, as everything the ANC attempts is delayed for whatever reason they give.

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-09-20 08:08

    "By the end of the year, we are going to finalise this bill." .... Opposition to the bill means nothing to the majority party. They must act now to hide the corruption and stealing of trillions of Rands of Tax payers money. Yousef don't fool yourself. Do you think the ANC are honourable people. They are in it for themselves stop being naive.

  • Gerhard - 2011-09-20 08:15

    It is our duty as South Africans that strive for a democratic country to do all possible to see that this bill does not become law. It is the going to kill democracy in SA. It is going to take us back to the old Apartheid times. If this law is passed, an overseas website must be created and advertised extensively that will reveal all that the government is trying to hide with this bill. I think that is a good idea to start now and especially to advertise the website now that all people know about it BEFORE the bill becomes law.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-20 08:47

      Ummmm ... ever heard about "WikiLeaks"? Still .... nobody in the International arena actually CARES about South Africa and her shenannigans. Most do not even know where we are on the planet ... some think we are "Oh, next to Harare" ..... South Africa was a pet hobby in the past. Now? Basket Case of the 9th World.

      Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:05

      Now how would you propose we do do we do something to be heard..toy toy??

  • Politicallycorrect - 2011-09-20 08:15

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. (Ecc 3:1-8)

      ACN - 2011-09-20 08:28

      Well this is perhaps a time to do something? Or do sit back and just say, everything is going to be alright because there is a reason for everything?

      50something - 2011-09-20 08:38

      ... and there is a time to vote ANC and there is a time NOT to vote ANC

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-20 08:48

      ...... You forgot .... A time to Tax ... and a time to blow those taxes.

      arthur.amgen - 2011-09-20 09:05

      A time to screw and a time to be screwed.

      Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:05

      And by this you mean let the ANC have their own way!!

      Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:08

      A time for living an a time...TO DIE

      Politicallycorrect - 2011-09-20 10:34

      @Ingi - that is not what I'm saying. What it is saying is that there is a season for everything and the ANC's time will end. It is only going to last a season.

  • matubeng - 2011-09-20 08:24

    The pressure is working, that's correct. The ANC is divided on the matter and apparently the thinkers in the ANC are refusing to buy into it. Do you think people such as Trevor Manuel, Aaron Motsoaledi, Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma, Motlanthe, Sexwale, can vote for such nonsense,

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-20 08:52

      Oh CR@P ... nearly laughed my head off here .... Matubeng ... Your list makes no sense whatsoever?!?! Dlamini-zuma amongst those austere names? Can't believe that!

  • Bart Zimzon - 2011-09-20 08:35

    they want more bad changes then already was in the proposed Bill. Wait and see, things with this Bill will get WORSE.

  • vanommen.jan - 2011-09-20 08:45

    Time will tell.. Time is always the easiest whistle-blower!

  • amabok - 2011-09-20 08:58

    There are so many more important issues in this country. Protection of Information is not one of them. In fact, there is no exitstential threat, no terrorist cells planning to blow up buildings or dams, no foreign mercenaries seeking to overthrow the government. The sole aim of those promulgating the Bill is to the protect corrupt cANCer dealings, to keep fraudulent tenders out of the media and to jail those that expose ministers. I doubt very much whether the Bill in any form that the cANCer would like to see would succeed a constitutional challenge. The cANCer's only option therefore is to supplant further constitutional judges with cANCer lackeys. We'll wait a few more years, but the Bill will eventually be passed and govt. corruption and fraud will be institutionalised.

  • Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:00

    I have never heard of anything so stupid and pathetic in my life...secrets of course they want this and why!!! because they are all crooks, from Zuma down to the last one in parliament. This should not be allowed and should be thrown out. They should worry more about service delivery than worry about a Stupid bill covering their own assess. Disgusting I say and of course Moegoe was hired because he is one of the same...A CROOK....things will soon come out of the cans about him watch this space!!!???

  • Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:03

    Forgot to add...Parliament is here to allow us the people of SA to know exactly what is happening indoors and out doors. Not to now hide behind closed doors and everything a secret....can you imagine the crookery and the fraudery, deceitfulness etc that will go on now.... NOW WE WILL SEE THE TRUTH BIG TIME...CROOKS. No other country has this bill well not that I know of, so are we the first to implement this Bill...what a laughing stock to the rest of the world. Watch our money go down the tubes.

      Lauren - 2011-09-20 09:18

      Oh, dear, I suggest you go and read up on the state secrecy laws of many other countries. I am NOT agreeing with what is proposed, I am merely suggesting that you inform yourself on the issue of other countries' acts so that you dont put your foot in your mouth again. All the best.

      Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:35


      Politicallycorrect - 2011-09-20 10:35

      Zimbabwe has something similar.

  • Trevor - 2011-09-20 09:06

    Headline is nonsense....ANC has stated publically that it WILL go through, they just getting all their cronies together to agree on it and understadn that it will protect the ANC against future investigations into corruption, they also want to avoid any infighting as they can't even agree on who's responsible for what like the Tollgate saga, it's delayed but WILL be implemented.

      Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:09

      Of course it will be implemented who are they trying to fool and con...we are not as stupid as them...all the other parties should step up and vote against this bill..the majority then wins for or against.

  • capetownphotographer - 2011-09-20 09:15

    @lyndatjie - if it does come into play it will be because people like you would rather moan than march, siyagobhoza .com 'None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.' - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe I came. I saw. I marched. What did you do?

      Buffalo - 2011-09-20 09:56

      Got tear gassed!

  • Travis Vermaak - 2011-09-20 09:15

    I wish our comments would be taken into account somehow. Funny how almost every person that comments here can see straight through the government's lies and deception. Almost everything out government do turns into a scandal. It just seems futile. There is nothing the ANC can say or do to make me want to back them in any form, they have lost every ounce my trust, not that they had much of my trust to begin with.

      Ingie - 2011-09-20 09:18

      I was thinking the same thing. These should be printed and sent to he can see how the majority of SA's are unhappy with his ruling.

      Freddie - 2011-09-20 09:48

      Buffalo - 2011-09-20 10:02

      As above, sign the petition at avaaz - but don't get your hopes up about Zuma and his cronies giving a sh1t. Everyone with a voice to be heard should join avaaz. There are some great causes to champion. And every little bit helps in this dumb-human infested world of ours.

  • Clarissa - 2011-09-20 10:29

    Ai Ai. Will have to wait and see what will happen. Still, it is great to be a reporter in South Africa... The stories we can tell our grand children one day ...

  • Clarissa - 2011-09-20 10:36

    Oh, Moron... What lesson do I need to learn which I have not yet learned from the past, escpecially in the light of being a reporter - being fair and accurate in this new domocracy. I strive to be an objective reporter; I do not choose sides, nor colour, nor draw a line amoungst political parties. I have witnessed it all. So, please, i feel offended because it seems to me, you are stereotyping by combing all white people with the same brush. Why do you do that? I do not stereotype when I report on a black murderer, rapist, etc. And, my fellow black colleques also do not stereotype when they cover a whitie who is charged with murede, rape, etc. I am all for a Democratic SA, maybe you should read up on your history as to why blacks wanted democracy? And, some whities...

      Neles - 2011-09-20 16:55

      I'd love to see your work. Forward me a few links to see if you're really as unbiased and devoid of sensationalism as you state. And please refrain from using the word "whitie". My two white friends watching over my shoulder as I type find that term condescending and quite frankly I do too.

  • robin - 2011-09-20 11:59

    ANC / NATIONAL PARTY - All the same to me! They care nothing about anything, only self interest counts

  • Mantsho - 2011-09-20 19:12

    Moron let me open ur eyes, wherever white people go they will not suffer, they are bussiness people and they are very well educated, go to london and America you will see, they are rich,so please help your black people because this Bill is going to kill them including YOU.

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