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Malema's new rule book

2011-11-20 11:45

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League leaders have charged that Julius Malema and his supporters have unilaterally - and illegally - rewritten the organisation’s constitution to try to save their suspended ­president’s skin.

At the heart of the row is a clause in the league’s constitution that Malema this week cited at his fight-back press conference.

Malema was suspended from the ANC for five years last week. He is appealing his suspension.

On Tuesday he claimed that the ANC had relied on an “old” youth league ­constitution to suspend him.  According to Malema, the “new” ­constitution required that the league’s own disciplinary processes review any sanction on a league member handed down by the ANC.

This is a knockout argument for ­Malema. If it succeeds, the youth league could ultimately decide his fate.

Malema claims that the constitution was amended at the league’s national congress in June.

Legality

» But 12 youth league leaders from four provinces who spoke to City Press deny that the amendment was even discussed at the gathering, much less voted on.

» Malema’s own lawyers have ­demanded proof from him that the amendment was made legally before ­using it in his appeal.

» Senior ANC leaders are also questioning the legality of the amendment and plan to interrogate its veracity.

According to the league’s constitution, proposed amendments should be submitted to congress "and can only be passed by a two-thirds majority vote".

This raises the possibility that the youth league’s constitution was illegally changed after the June congress and ­before last week’s press conference. But Malema on Saturday insisted that the league's rule book was changed ­legally.

He said the changes were passed after the congress accepted a report by the commission on constitutional amendments.

No need to vote

Malema claimed there was no need to vote on the report to adopt it ­because there were no objections. “We only vote on resolutions if there is an objection on a particular motion.”

Malema’s reference to a constitutional change has enraged - and confused – youth league leaders. They say that the updated version of the constitution, published on the league’s website on Tuesday, was hastily and illegally changed.

A delegate who sat on the constitutional amendment commission said this particular amendment was never discussed. Another delegate - a Malema supporter - said “most of the amendments” presented to the plenary were adopted.

OR Tambo regional secretary ­Ndumiso Sapepa said: “I supported Malema at the conference and it is not true that there was an amendment to the constitution.

“They [Malema and his supporters] are amending it now because they want to secure their positions... we ­understand their challenges with the ANC, but we are not going to be co-opted into this,” Sapepa said.

Surprise

City Press understands from sources close to the hearing that Malema and his allies were taken by surprise when the ANC’s national disciplinary committee chairperson, Derek Hanekom, quoted from the league's "old" constitution when he announced his findings last week.

When asked about the mystery amendment, youth league secretary general Sindiso Magaqa said they did not owe anybody an explanation. He claimed the amendment of the constitution was done at the Midrand congress in June.

When asked exactly when this was done, he said the delegates who challenged this should write to the league’s national executive committee. He said he was not going to reveal what was ­discussed in closed sessions.

“We are the national executive committee of the youth league. It’s us who know resolutions. It’s us who know what happened in the constitution.

"Anyone who questions our constitution must come to us, not you as the media,” said Magaqa before abruptly ending the call.

Not on record

Ayanda Ndevu, a league member from the Western Cape who attended the ­conference, said this was the first time he had heard of the amendment.  “This was never raised at the conference. They amended it themselves.”

A KwaZulu-Natal league leader who was a delegate said: “I was there as a ­voting delegate and part of the committee on resolutions. We don’t have that amendment on record.”

Meanwhile, league leaders have ­started jostling for positions should Malema’s suspension stand.

While his deputy, Ronald Lamola, is expected to act in his stead, treasurer Pule Mabe - the most senior of the league’s remaining officials - is said to be a favourite to take over the reins. Mabe refused to comment.

There are also claims that league spokesperson Floyd Shivambu has his eye on the league’s presidency for 2014.

– Additional reporting by Xolani Mbanjwa and Sabelo Skiti.

Comments
  • Kwame - 2011-11-20 10:52

    Yah, hey. The human phenomena of material greed does not go down without a significant tussle on the ground. What I am seeing here is desperate men clinging by their last finger to their fountain of wealth. It was exactly like this, if christian mythology has any validity to it, when the angel Samael and his clique of "watchers" were kicked out of heaven many centuries following Lucifer's fall, due to their lust and sexual greed. Samael, as Enoch, Noah's great great grand-father, reports in The Book Of Enoch - one of the many books removed from the Bible - Enoch explains Samael was exactly like this when God cut him off. He pleaded, brokered deals, invented clauses and new contracts. Blamed others.

      neil.hamman - 2011-11-20 12:28

      Your sure your reading the same Book?

      Ryan - 2011-11-20 12:41

      I like the religious/mythical comparison. I learnt a little bit too. didn't know there were so many books removed from the bible

      Squeegee - 2011-11-20 13:51

      This is like letting a student run the lab. Explosions are sure to follow. What the idiot brigade don't see is that these are just extra nails in their coffin.

      Shoe - 2011-11-20 17:16

      Hhahahaa Kwame, actualy Juju & co, gave me really good ideas about amending the bible to get out of sin. Oh boy, would it not be something if the bible could change the clause about coveting a neigbor's ass. Some of us live in neighborhoods with the hottest asses on the planet. Totally hard not to covet. But Juju here, (Oh, love this boy to bits), has a really good idea:). Never thought of it!!!

      John - 2011-11-20 22:38

      The thieves are arguing among themselves: It is ok to Steal from the PEOPLE, but it is not ok to steal from the GANG-Party...

      alansmartSnr - 2011-11-20 22:57

      @ Kwame.. Quite surprised at your knowledge of the original complete bible which was altered by Constantine and his Roma "Bishops". But your facts are basically faultless. Funny enough that gospels which were discarded are still referred to in the current scriptures. eg. Jeremia. As for Mal Emmer, he will fail this one, his own people who have nothing to gain or lose agree that the constitution was never changed and they have no records to verify the changes. Changing a constitution of a 100 year old orginisation would be a big deal and minutes of such a meeting should reflect this...they cant show it.. Mal Emmer is in sy Moe@#$%r. LEKKER !!

      TonyPerkis - 2011-11-21 20:42

      Sounds very much like you amended the book to suit yourself.

      Virginia - 2011-11-22 10:50

      Why doent Mr malem stop leading with his people and bencome a leader of his people. The systems of the world are falling down around us, what difference is his ranting and raving going to help anyone, why not be a good example to his people and show the ANC that things done in an obedient and diciplined way are for the better, otherwise your demise wil be imminent. Change your ways Mr Malema, rather be a beloved leader then a despised one who will eventually met a pittiful end.

      Rudi - 2011-11-24 10:33

      @Kwame - The Book of Enoch was never part of the Bible. Although the Roman Catholics accept is as a book with authority. You have been misguided.

  • Xolani - 2011-11-20 11:06

    Plz YL explain to the nation,what is really going on?Let us protect gredibility of the organisation not our own egos.

      Roland - 2011-11-20 12:13

      The ANCYL has absolutely zero/no/nada/nil credibility - NOTHING!!!! A bunch of uneducated megolomanic self-enriching corruptibles. A shame to South Africa!!!! Sies!!!

      goyougoodthing - 2011-11-20 12:15

      There is no credibility left in the ANCYL.

      Atholl - 2011-11-20 12:47

      An institution, group, brigade, league that thinks it's own constitution is a Game ... .. has no respect, credibility or trust.

      Raxxis - 2011-11-20 15:15

      @Bonzi - couldn't have said it better myself.

      PB - 2011-11-21 08:15

      What really happened, is that the fat fart and his chommas had a zol together and in their drugged state, had a communal vision of themselves changing the constitution - that is why they are the only ones remembering it taking place

      Siotine - 2011-11-21 10:12

      The ANCYL needs to be banned. South Africa does not need this stupid organization!

      JMan - 2011-11-21 12:15

      Also, while you're at it, explain to Malema and his cronies the meaning of 'legal'...because he might get confused again.

  • TamaraSays - 2011-11-20 12:08

    If the ANCYL wants to be autonomous, why not let them? Cut them out of the ANC completely, and let them be their own party. Clearly, they want to continue to be the tail that wags the dog, and are they really of that much value to the ANC that they can't just get rid of them completely? The fact is, the ANCYL has served it's purpose. It's no longer necessary. It's a white elephant, that belongs in a museum, next to the Nats, as a reminder of the 'bad old days.' Grow a pair, ANC, and realise that you cannot control these 'kids' and they're not doing anything to HELP your party. Cut them off, and let them fend for themselves.

      Vegi - 2011-11-20 12:54

      The sign next to your name is for which cult exactly?

      Mike - 2011-11-20 13:58

      @Vegi: The Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament in the UK first used this sign, although originally all the lines were black. It was especially designed for them in 1958, and it later became adopted as a symbol of Peace. The rainbow markings, colours upside-down, i.e. with red at the bottom, come from a Peace Flag first used in 1961. I suspect that the combination of the two is Tamara's own idea - I think it's brilliant.

      Stevie - 2011-11-20 17:33

      Agree completely. No chance of growing a pair, so lets rather change it to PEAR. It is possible they could be trained to do that.

      alansmartSnr - 2011-11-20 23:03

      @ Vegi... Now I see how really dumb you are.. the sign is an international acknowledge sign of "Peace and Happiness" . He could also have used a dove!

      Maverick82 - 2011-11-21 11:48

      You not a vegi, you a chop!

  • jruppersberg - 2011-11-20 12:14

    How stupid must you be to still support these morons?! My poodle has more common sense than an ANCYL supporter!

      Sean - 2011-11-20 13:11

      Best of all , those ``intelligent followers`` believe all the BS !

      Lordwick - 2011-11-20 15:30

      @Stupid Ruppersberrrrrg,I am proud ANCYL supporter and if you come with that tendency of generalising you are then Pucked-up.

      jruppersberg - 2011-11-20 17:01

      @Sean. Yes, just look at Lordwicks's comment above. Poor brainwashed idiot. It just proves that only uneducated people supports the ANCYL.

      Charlotte - 2011-11-21 11:06

      @lordwick i find it weird - that, you comment on generalising, yet you generalised all the news24 users below... ah, thats it, you are ANCYL... you can say and do what you want but others cant do the same.

  • theandystokes - 2011-11-20 12:15

    Does this guy not have any integrity? He's now lying about changes that even the YLs own people are denying? Never knew even he could be this stupid! How people still support him with all his lies, greed and corruption is beyond me.

      phlhf - 2011-11-20 13:06

      The same way that people support whatshisface in Zim and Hitler etc.

      Ronald - 2011-11-20 18:19

      Stupid is and understatement.As the ANCYL receive funding from government,they will be registered as a NPO according to the NPO Act of 1997. In the act it states that any change to the constitution of an NPO must be submitted to the Directorate of NPO's to apply for a new certificate of registration and thus will be on file. If the ANCYL is not registered as a NPO but has a constitution, it will still be registered as a Civic Organisation. So, jellybaby my man, do the paperwork first before you lie,not after the sh@t starts flying.

  • Pixie86 - 2011-11-20 12:25

    does news24 have a contract with a malema? Not a single day goes by without them writing an article about him

      theandystokes - 2011-11-20 12:36

      And not a single day goes by without someone making the same comment you just did. Here's an idea, if you don't want to read about Malema, don't click on the news article link then you won't have to moan about it.

      Pixie86 - 2011-11-20 12:40

      i got you the first time. I guess like news24 you are prone to repeating yourself

      Peter - 2011-11-20 13:13

      Well thats maybe not a day goes by without Malema doing something to try screw up our country!

      theandystokes - 2011-11-20 14:17

      @Pixie86 - Some people need to be told more than once.

      Tom - 2011-11-20 19:30

      I agree that the less we here about Malema the better. I don't like giving him the attention. But as long as Malema keeps making idiotic and controversial comments, new24 will continue to write about him.

  • Mary - 2011-11-20 12:29

    I think there should be a new Youth League, with a maximum age of 21. Such a youth league would be invaluable as a political home for future leaders but the way it is now it is being abused for personal monetary gain and power by people who are by far no longer youths.

      Marion - 2011-11-21 12:16

      @Mary - I think that 21 is a bit low for a cut-off point. Also, being able to join at age 14 is a bit low too. For me the age should run from, say, 18 (when one has contractual ability) to about 28 maximum. And that goes for all political parties who have virtually the same age requirements in their youth movements as the ANC.

  • braamc - 2011-11-20 12:32

    Move on your fat thieving piece of sh*t

      Lordwick - 2011-11-20 15:38

      Grow up,your comment won't make any difference.Talk like an adult!!!

      Maverick82 - 2011-11-21 09:59

      @Braamc, I think what Lordwick is trying to say is use smaller words and type slowly so that he/she can keep up with you (Talk like an adult!!!)

      Charlotte - 2011-11-21 10:59

      @lordwick - so, you can say what you want in defense of your comrade, as above, yet, we cant say a single thing? talk like an adult? rich coming from someone who sounds very much like a brainwashed child to me

  • Rob - 2011-11-20 12:37

    Did you think that"due process" was inviolate. Give it time and everything of real value to society (not greedy individuals) in the Constitution will be in the dustbin of somebody elses version of history.

  • Ian - 2011-11-20 12:40

    corrupt stinking thieving pigs

  • Mabs - 2011-11-20 12:43

    Will someone please enlighten me. Who is in charge of this countries constitution? Is the ANCYL running SA and making all the decisions or the ANC? If its the ANC then someone there better start putting their foot down very firmly on the YL's "suspended" president.

      Skhanyo - 2011-11-20 21:21

      i have a problem with people who do not concern themselves with reading what an article is about..the article is about the constitution of ANCYL. You only read that it is about Julius and immediately knew you were going to take a stand against him!

      Charlotte - 2011-11-21 11:00

      @skhanyo - and immediately you feel the need to jump to his defense

      Thandi - 2011-11-21 11:18

      @skhanyo - I suggest you go back and read the article again, before you point a finger at anyone else who, like you, have not read and properly interpreted the article. The heading reads "Malema's new rule book", and the article is primarily about how fatboy and his fellows morons have manipulated the constitution, apparently in isolation from the ANCYL as a whole. Fatboy's name pops up in just about every paragraph, so how you can maintain the article is not about fatboy defeats me. Are you defending fatboy and his bunch of marauding morons?

  • Craig - 2011-11-20 12:48

    "The “new” ­constitution required that the league’s own disciplinary processes review any sanction on a league member handed down by the ANC." So, let's see - the ANCYL get to give the thumbs-up or thumbs-down to any sanction handed down on an ANCYL member by the ANC? They do realise this isn't Facebook?

  • opinionater - 2011-11-20 12:52

    you knw you're really desparate to get what you want when you start changin the constitution. oh wait, zuma has started that trend already.

  • Sharon Dreyer - 2011-11-20 13:15

    Amazing the lengths he will go to to hang in power. How unethical and if this is the way he goes about things, so fraudulently, well then he is the big fake after all.

  • aardvarkie - 2011-11-20 13:17

    That's exactly what one can expect from a corrupt idiot like fatface Malema.

  • Lucky - 2011-11-20 13:22

    A luta continua!

      GAMMAT - 2011-11-20 13:26

      seditionem

  • Masiagwala Alilali Allie - 2011-11-20 13:26

    julius fatty idiot malema

  • Cheryl - 2011-11-20 13:27

    hahahahhahahah my favourite comedy

  • GAMMAT - 2011-11-20 13:33

    Its like moving into daylight from night, the dawn that reveals new secrets that were not exposed before, covered in darkness. The book is opened and the light starts revealing the deceit and cunning. We are eagerly awaiting the final script from the book of mutiny, authored by Julius Malema, with special input from his trusty Floyd and Sindiso. How will the end read?

  • Jannie - 2011-11-20 13:34

    Juju Scum... Jannie is coming for you.

  • Masiagwala Alilali Allie - 2011-11-20 13:38

    They gave hm enough rope 2 hang his sorry fat ass

      Sean - 2011-11-20 14:21

      Hope the rope is thicker now , fatboy gained a bit of wight :)

  • Alva - 2011-11-20 13:41

    LMAO! Malema is trying every trick in the book! Bye bye Juju!

      Grant - 2011-11-21 12:52

      Which book - Animal Farm? Changed the sign to "Two legs good, four legs bad"... :P

  • Sithulile Ngwevela - 2011-11-20 13:56

    No No No Julius, No bra No, jst let it go bro, cz what ur saying is impossible, the YL cant choose whether or not, to adopt the mother body's rulings, Nooooo

  • CALAMITYSA - 2011-11-20 14:09

    I really hope this opens the eyes of all young South-Africans. And that of the ANC. Can the ANC really afford the CULTURE that the ANCYL accepts as normal. It is now time that the real leaders act immediately. The damage to their local and international image is deepening with every action and statement of THEIR youth-league.

  • Colin - 2011-11-20 14:41

    This is definitely a case of the tail trying to wag the dog;

  • Chaapo - 2011-11-20 14:45

    The marks of a dictator - invent and change the rules as you go on as long as it is expedient. When are the ANC youth going to wake that they are being led by an egomaniac imbecile?

  • Miguel - 2011-11-20 14:55

    another disciplinary hearing for fraud in the constitution and expel them all ancyl out .

  • sasabonam - 2011-11-20 15:09

    I was in a congress of the Youth League and I have attended the commission on Constitutional Amendments and I am fully aware of the amendments made in the Constitution. People who went to congress for other reasons must stop confusing the public by alleging that the amendments were not made. Some of the sections like Section 14 were referred to NEC for finalisation. Comrade Frans Moswane was the scriber and I was assisting him in consolidating the commission report. Some of the comrades who claims there were delegates & they know not about the amendments, were not even in the commission. This proves exactly my point that some comrades went to Joburg for an outing not congress business. 11.2 which is mostly referred to, was amended on the basis that prior to our congress, many ANC structures were victimising ANCYL members and we decided that we need to protect our members from being disciplined for the views they hold in the ANC on behalf of the League and therefore agreed to subject ANC disciplinary verdict for review by the YL DC before effected. Hands-Off the ANC YL Hands-Off!!

      Roland - 2011-11-21 08:37

      Protect your filthy hands, and keep them in the cookie jar, ja... (sick!!!)

  • sasabonam - 2011-11-20 15:09

    I was in a congress of the Youth League and I have attended the commission on Constitutional Amendments and I am fully aware of the amendments made in the Constitution. People who went to congress for other reasons must stop confusing the public by alleging that the amendments were not made. Some of the sections like Section 14 were referred to NEC for finalisation. Comrade Frans Moswane was the scriber and I was assisting him in consolidating the commission report. Some of the comrades who claims there were delegates & they know not about the amendments, were not even in the commission. This proves exactly my point that some comrades went to Joburg for an outing not congress business. 11.2 which is mostly referred to, was amended on the basis that prior to our congress, many ANC structures were victimising ANCYL members and we decided that we need to protect our members from being disciplined for the views they hold in the ANC on behalf of the League and therefore agreed to subject ANC disciplinary verdict for review by the YL DC before effected. Hands-Off the ANC YL Hands-Off!!

      BA - 2011-11-20 15:23

      I doubt you are for real sasabonam, but tell me how you can justify a constitution which allows you to veto the rulings of your mother body, the ANC? Either you are a junior structure of the ANC, which respects and obeys its rulings, or you are an independent political party. If you are the latter, then you must come out and say it, and we will see how long you and "Comrade" Julius last. By the way, I love it when you call someone who is as blatantly selfish, corrupt and obsessed with material gain as Julius, a comrade. As far as I know, the root of this title is from communism. Despite the lies that Julius spreads about standing for the poor, anyone can see that all he cares about is power and money, and he'll do anything and say anything to get them. It's a pity he doesn't build a school instead of a R20 million home in Sandton.

      Skhanyo - 2011-11-20 21:33

      Amandla!!! tell them Cde!! these people know nothing about the constitution of the ANCYL. Let us confront the enemies, even if such enemies pretend to be part of ANC/ANCYL!! the wealth of this nation must be shared amongst the citizens..the land must be expropriated without any compensation! what are we compensating these people for? are we compensating them for forcefully removing blacks from their rightful land? Then what about those whites who took nothing from blacks, they do not get compensated for not being unfair to blacks?..we want the land back and no one will be compensated for that, instead we should claim from them!!

      Marion - 2011-11-21 12:22

      You in the ANCYL are like a bunch of teenagers rebelling against parental authority. The ANC is your 'parent' whether you like it or not and would have to approve of your constitutional changes if it impacted directly on their ability to 'parent' you. What teenager do you know who makes their own rules in their parental home? Without the ANC you would be absolutely nothing. You exist at their pleasure. If you don't like that run along and create your own party which will not be as powerful as you like to think without the ANC backing you to the hilt. Wakey wakey, hands off snakey!

  • Musa - 2011-11-20 15:15

    ANCYL is a youth wing of the ANC, a subordinate of the ANC. There is no way that the ANCYL can decide whether to adopt a ruling of the ANC NDC or not. No, this is out of order young comrades. The ANC must investigate this possible illegal amendment of the ANCYL constitution and take very strong actions against those comrades involved. This is counter-revolutionary. Forward with revolutionary discipline in the ANC, forward!

      Maverick82 - 2011-11-21 11:52

      @ Musa, here you go, have a bells. You tell them boet!

  • Hugh - 2011-11-20 16:04

    Hands up those who have thought that the SA constitution could not go the same way if the government wishes to ignore it or change it to suit its adgenda.

  • anselmo.coelho1 - 2011-11-20 16:08

    Malema the DILEMMA reminds me of someone that i caught stealing my goods which i found under his shirt ,And no way he would admit that it was him that took it......

  • Silvana - 2011-11-20 16:48

    LOL Dog eat dog. Typical Malema and Floyd, just change the constitution nobody will know. Even Fatboy's lawyer demands to see proof of the amendment.

  • Silvana - 2011-11-20 16:50

    Most probably learnt this trick from his mentor in Zim

  • yummyhamster - 2011-11-20 16:53

    I Agree that the age limit on the youth league should be 21 or even perhaps 23 at the most. As a 30 year old individual i have very little in common with people of that age.I Have changed over the years and have life experience now and see things in a different light.If the ANCYL wants to act independently from the ANC they should renounce the ANC and become an independent political party.Julius will definitely run the rout of a dictator if he was ever to come into power.He is trying to change things to save his skin and in a position of power he will change rules etc to keep himself in power and out of reach from criminal prosecution while enriches himself.Keep the poor people poor and uneducated so that they will follow you blindly because you promise to make things better for them.In the meantime the chosen elite are sent to international schools and reap the rewards for being corrupt.In the battle for Stalingrad the Russian soldiers had to fight to the death or be shot when they retreated. The same will happen here, hi supporters will have to back him or face the wrath of violence and more if this man is in power.He has already shown his militant side and after he brings this country to its knees he will find someone else to blame for it.The people who follow him so blindly needs to wake up and smell the coffee and look at where they will be in 10 - 20 years time if they keep following him and where he will lead them. And i guarantee it is no where good....

      Wiseman Sthembiso Mazomba - 2011-11-21 04:46

      I am pro ANC,,but those two individuals Sindiso Magaqa and Malema...are serious threat not önly to the organisation But the entire country they are nowhere carrying a people centric agenda,,its a very dangerous agenda an agenda of intimidate,,manipulate and rule..How can only two people out of a congress of hundreds ammend a constitution..and not even a single official or member remembers that resolution being adopted. Its time for the full expulsion this is fraud...full blown fraud..

      Wiseman Sthembiso Mazomba - 2011-11-21 04:47

      I am pro ANC,,but those two individuals Sindiso Magaqa and Malema...are serious threat not önly to the organisation But the entire country they are nowhere carrying a people centric agenda,,its a very dangerous agenda an agenda of intimidate,,manipulate and rule..How can only two people out of a congress of hundreds ammend a constitution..and not even a single official or member remembers that resolution being adopted. Its time for the full expulsion this is fraud...full blown fraud..

      mathasemasase - 2011-11-21 08:43

      Pure and true annalysis, that`s what reflect from a leader who is targeting something while lack a Vision & Mision, Stupid Malema.

  • Transkie Sun - 2011-11-20 16:58

    Beat them by there own game and smile

  • Multi - 2011-11-20 17:33

    So best case scenario: The ANCYL splits from the ANC and forms its own party. This in turn splits the voters and allows another more competent party to be voted into power (I don't really care who provided the fulfill the 'competent' criteria). The ANC's corrupt and completely useless reign of idiocy is ended and South Africa becomes a true democracy where parties are voted in and out of power based on service delivery rather than having a the same name as a famous liberation movement who were once led by Mandela.

  • hein.huyser - 2011-11-20 17:42

    After all, Malema had all the advice from Mugabe that he wanted, and I suppose one piece was to change the rules as you go along.

  • Skhanyo - 2011-11-20 20:11

    The wealth of this country must be shared amongst the citizens of this country..but what i am seeing now is that anyone who brings that up, he gets persecuted! why is that? When I was a young boy my uncle had cows, every time I went there I ate amasi, because there were cows there! why is it that even though I was born in a country with a lot of gold but I have not seen nor had a bit of a share of gold!

      Gerhard - 2011-11-20 20:23

      Zuma on becoming president swore to uphold the constitution. What an utter weakling.

      Robsschele - 2011-11-20 20:48

      Why eat amazi. Why didn't you ate the cow. Because the cow belonged to your uncle and not to you.

      Anton - 2011-11-20 22:09

      You have not seen the gold because you haven't prospected for gold bearing deposits, identified a feasible mine, obtained finance to develop that mine, plan and developed the mine and refinery, dug the ore out of the ground, crushed the ore and recovered the gold from that it. In short, You haven’t worked for it as did those that have it.

      Refilwe IronMan Rakoma - 2011-11-21 04:40

      @anton, I dont think you realise that we won this country back, so in the eyes of many black south africans - guided by the freedom charter which thousands of people died for- the resources of south africa belong to its people, its called 'Ubuntu' in our culture and you included any every white person under that law should also get a share, its our culture. Greed unfortunately has no room under those laws, but as like you and I know that on wall street 'greed is good', you act like the white people of the old government where clean about their business dealings! They where bullies who used a state army to enforce cheap labour to get to where they are. I am no saint so I will not come here and pretend to be one I am a capitalist bull. All I can tell you is that our people will eventually 'occupy jse', you where the ones that fed bantu education to their parents and we where the one who protected you so we could get a slice of the action, and unfortunately or maybe fortunately for me cause once the dust settles like its doing in Zim (cause lets be honest for a second, the world will eventually turn around and Zim will be a powerhouse again but this time without white people that dont realise that all africans wanted to do was just share) I will be in control and you will be in the cold I quote 'its cold on the outside'! individual quote 'lets see you talking that smack about mining permits when your in Australia'. Hmmm I think this Julius guy is on to something here. So unless your last name is Ruppert, you have a heap of ish coming your way. If you are email me I heard you selling the coal business lets talk india, you already cashed in on the diamond company and a fine prize it was.

      Marion - 2011-11-21 14:18

      @Refilwe IronMan Rakoma. On the one hand you talk about ubuntu and just a few sentences later you are telling us 'So unless your last name is Ruppert, you have a heap of ish coming your way.' Where, may I ask, is that sense of ubuntu you were bragging about a few lines earlier? Archbishop Desmond Tutu explains UBUNTU as follows: "One of the sayings in our country is Ubuntu - the essence of being human. Ubuntu speaks particularly about the fact that you can't exist as a human being in isolation. It speaks about our interconnectedness. You can't be human all by yourself, and when you have this quality - Ubuntu - you are known for your generosity. We think of ourselves far too frequently as just individuals, separated from one another, whereas you are connected and what you do affects the whole world. When you do well, it spreads out; it is for the whole of humanity." So just as you say that the previously advantaged didn't practice ubuntu, you are saying that the majority now will not support ubuntu in the future? I hope you enjoy your maximum of 7 hectares of land when it is distributed. If you think you are going to enjoy any benefits of mineral wealth, think again. A minority will enjoy the financial benefits associated with the 'mineral wealth' of SA. The reason some people want to nationalise this that & the next thing is because they were given shares, that they can't sell, in this that & the next thing that they want to cash in.

      hein.huyser - 2011-11-21 14:47

      How many cows did your uncle slaughtered for you? That will be truly sharing. NONE! Makes you think.

      Jeremy - 2011-11-22 00:32

      Go get a shovel, go learn to prospect for gold, go get a licence to dig gold {oops, you won't get one coz ANC won't give you one) I grew up in a town that built nice cars, why did I not get one Duh

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2011-11-20 20:31

    Lol. Definitely Mugabe tactics. Hang on to power till death us do part .

  • lebaone - 2011-11-20 20:44

    When you dont know which side to take, all one can do is sit back, watch and hope that the powers that be will make the wisest possible decision

  • Robsschele - 2011-11-20 20:54

    Just digging the hole deeper and deeper.

  • philani.madondo - 2011-11-20 23:17

    Malema's new rule book---- This really shows the level of Malema's intelligence(poor thinking,ADHD),. How can you change something so huge as a party's constitution without acknowledging the members of the party and only one section was changed. The section that will save his skin, how stupid that is. This time he should be out from the part because they have unilaterally - and illegally - rewritten the leagues' constitution.

      Marion - 2011-11-21 12:27

      @philani.madondo - I have a very intelligent teenage son with ADHD and don't think you should associate poor thinking with ADHD. This has got to do with lack of education and brainwashing since the age of 9 (1990?) when Julius allegedly became politically active. Methinks he should rather have focussed on his education.

  • Daniel - 2011-11-20 23:26

    The ANC do not intend to change anything. They intent to leave the black majority living in the Bantustan slums, and allow a 4% white minority to own 95% of farmland and 80% of land. This is outrageous! Imagine if africans came to Europe and seized 80% of land, and forced the whites to live in slum, then used drempt up "constitutions" to "prove" their point? The so called constitutions in South Africa appear there to guarantee the whites always remain top dog, with all the land and resources, and blacks have nothing. In light of this, they cannot turn around and argue against a change in the Constitution of the ANCYL, as their own Constitutions sound highly illegial to begin with. Imagine if the United States of America adopted a Constitution which said by Law whites must have most of the land, and if you challenge it you are breaking the Law? Remember most south africans got the land through stealing it from the blacks, they havent even held to the agreements to give back certain amounts by 2011. The ANC make me laugh, they make a mockery of race laws, are highly ignorant to the real feelings among the majority in south africa, and are heading for a fall. Just like the majority swept out the old Nazi style Apartheid Government, they will do the same with the ANC, then they will not be able to rely on their blatantly racist constitutions designed to keep black people living forever in poverry. The ANC have betrayed their people, from Nelson Mandela down!

      Daniel - 2011-11-20 23:49

      The South African Constitution is one of the worse pieces of racist legislation in the world. In theory it is one of the most non racist. It basically says its ILLEGIAL for blacks to seize white owned land, mines, or nationalise anything. But its also ILLEGIAL for whites to seize black owned land mines, or nationalise anything black owned. But blacks live on 15% of the land, in slums, whites live on 0ver 80% of the land, with nearly 100% of mines and farms! The the equal of a Constitution which says "The blacks have plot A and the whites plot B, neither can take the others land, or its racist!" But plot B is a mansion, swimming pool, with acres of land, plot A is an outside lavatory. How did the ANC get into this mess, and how do they intend to get out?

      yummyhamster - 2011-11-21 00:07

      you need to realize one thing.. this whole affirmative action nonsense has made finding work very hard for white people. In order for me to find a job that pays well i had to start working for a company in Europe. I live in an upper class area and i can promise you the ratios you are giving of 80% is seriously flawed. I see allot of black people driving cars that i can not afford and living in houses that i most likely will never be able to afford.Having some of them as clients in my previous occupation i have had conversations with them. They do not have those things because it was given to them like you want it to be given to you for free with no laws protecting the white man. They worked hard for it and they used their brains. Ad as for the being forced to live in slums.. also in my previous occupation i once gave a colleague a ride home to a poor area right next to a squatter camp. There i saw Mercedes ML 63 AMG brand new. my colleague confirmed the guy lives there.. out of choice. You know the saying of you are what you eat? i guess the same sort of thing applies to this scenario. I dont have what i have in live because i stole it or i got it from my parents. i WORKED for it. And i grew up poor so the old south africa did nothing for me as a white male.as a matter of fact it has caused a great disadvantage for me in the work place..

      Refilwe IronMan Rakoma - 2011-11-21 04:04

      @yummyhamster Malema knows one thing for sure and that is money. Now the argument is not with the C.E.O it is with the guy who pays the C.E.O he is Nicky Oppenheimer who just sold a mine for 5 billion dollars, what daniel means is that the ANC chose to rather attack poor little you and they protected the real sharks, its sad that you have to go through that and I am proud of you for making it. Our enemy is people who lobby policies like these to make a fortune for themselves Patrice who is an advocate for the black diamonds, these people are one in the same and we are just their pets, I am also a black man who is doing well for himself . But our country needs more from our mining and banking, I for one have mining interest and would gladly give the people a 40 percent stake in my business, its all about creating a wealthy nation so that we can walk amongst giants in the international arena. Africa is ours any we need to sort out our petty little squabbles and gear up to lead the continent. We need a compromise, Malema was right for raising the issue but his methods are wrong, lets come up with solutions, lets all make money, lets all prosper.

      Refilwe IronMan Rakoma - 2011-11-21 04:05

      @yummyhamster Malema knows one thing for sure and that is money. Now the argument is not with the C.E.O it is with the guy who pays the C.E.O he is Nicky Oppenheimer who just sold a mine for 5 billion dollars, what daniel means is that the ANC chose to rather attack poor little you and they protected the real sharks, its sad that you have to go through that and I am proud of you for making it. Our enemy is people who lobby policies like these to make a fortune for themselves Patrice who is an advocate for the black diamonds, these people are one in the same and we are just their pets, I am also a black man who is doing well for himself . But our country needs more from our mining and banking, I for one have mining interest and would gladly give the people a 40 percent stake in my business, its all about creating a wealthy nation so that we can walk amongst giants in the international arena. Africa is ours any we need to sort out our petty little squabbles and gear up to lead the continent. We need a compromise, Malema was right for raising the issue but his methods are wrong, lets come up with solutions, lets all make money, lets all prosper.

      Daniel - 2011-11-21 04:45

      People keep saying "Malema is wrong Malema is wrong" but then offer no answers of their own. I read an open letter where he asked those saying he is wrong to give their own ideas for change. Noone said a word. The squabble between the ANC and the Youth Leage reminds me of when the ANC and the Zulu Encarta fought a bloody war, while the white elite looked at them and laughed their heads off, and kept everything in sight! If Malema is wrong why dont people give him ideas? Why destroy him? What will you as black south africans gain if you destroy Malema? Nothing! Zero, zip, zilch, nothing, absolutely nothing, not one thing! If you feel he is wrong, then help him, give him better ideas, help him plan! But for Gods sakes dont join his powerful enemies and destroy him! Have you ever heard of the saying "throwing out the baby with the bath water?" That is what you do when you seek to destroy Julius Malema, and you are poor, either white or poor black. If he is wrong, help him find new ideas, if you destroy him, you will be left as you are WITH NOTHING! Better a flawed leader than NONE AT ALL! Think about it.

      Marion - 2011-11-21 13:39

      @Daniel - 'better a flawed leader than none at all'? All I can say is you set low standards for the people you consider worthy to lead our country.

  • Marx - 2011-11-21 00:33

    Power Hungry even in their own turf. Now i'm 800% against Julius being the President in anything, One might think that he might steal money and when he goes to court, he can sat that no, the Constitution changed last night, the president can do whatever he Wants, haowa, please get rid of Juju

      Daniel - 2011-11-21 00:45

      Power hungry? Why are you not power hungry sir? What glory is there in nothing? Don't kid yourself, you are never the white south africans equal until you have equal wealth. What colour do people understand? Black? White? No green! The colour of money! Your Constitution screwed you royally, you are pretending to be a rainbow nation of equals, but your home is a bantustan slum, the elite whiteman owns the mansion and the mines. By wanting nothing you do yourself no favours, and only add to the racist stereotypes around the world about African people. People will just think you are stupid. What do you call someone who has nothing, and wants nothing, but thinks he is an equal with those who have everything?

  • Thandi - 2011-11-21 05:15

    One (of the many)thing that really pisses me off with fatboy is that he thinks the general populace is as dumb as he and his mindless followers, and that we would be taken in by his stupid attempts at deceipt. Can you imagine what it would be like to have someone as crooked, stupid and moronic as this cretin attempting to lead anything of substance.

      KarateMarty - 2011-11-21 19:52

      @daniel: Are you retarded?

      Barbicus247 - 2011-11-22 14:11

      Thandi, you seem to think beta than Julius, pliz tell us your suggestion then?how do u think we can solve the South African crisis wher the minority white own the majority of the land and mineral resources whilst the black majority are suffering?wat do you propose?This is an open question for all that criticize Julius and seem to have a beta solution.

  • Wouter - 2011-11-21 06:26

    They might as well remove/change all theft and fraud laws too.

  • Lynn - 2011-11-21 07:16

    Talk about clinging to ones youth. This is pathetic. When is this buffoon going to grow up and accept responsibility for his actions.

  • Benson - 2011-11-21 07:35

    Wont this be another case against Malema? If so,he is sinking himself further,down.

  • Elle-Black - 2011-11-21 07:38

    If there was such a constitution within the youth league why did malema wait so long to paly that trump card? He makes up s?*&&^t as he goes along. I can see that Mugabe really made an impact on him.