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King snubs ANC centenary celebrations

2012-01-05 08:03

Mthatha - Controversial Eastern Cape AbaThembu king, Buyelekhaya Dalidyebo, has vowed that he will not honour the ANC invitation to its centenary celebration in Mangagung this coming weekend.

His spokesperson Phumla Matshaya said the king was not happy about the ANC's co-ordination of the celebration and particularly with the "distortion of history" concerning the origins of the ANC.

"On our discussions on this matter, the king indicated he was concerned about the unprincipled tricks employed by ANC cadres who distorted the formation of the ANC.

"For instance the ANC was formed by his late father King Sabata Dalindyebo and many others close to him. But they have received no mention in the ANC records for this celebration. The king is offended by that," said Matshaya.

Matshaya said the history of ANC could not be divorced from the history of the Tembuland nation.

"But the ANC has done so, and has failed on numerous occasions to acknowledge this nation's contribution."

Meanwhile a close adviser to King Dalindyebo, Chief Nkosiphendulo Qashani, said he was surprised that the ANC was celebrating a centenary this year.

"How do they celebrate a centenary for an organisation formed in 1906? Well, they are able to do so because they have the power to document distorted history," said Qashani.

Qashani said the Abathembu nation would remain unrepresented in the celebrations.

ANC unaware of concerns


ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said the ANC was not aware of the concerns that the king was raising at this point, and denied that there was any distortion of history over the origins of the ANC.

"We know that their great King Sabata was there in the founding of the organisation, but when you document you cannot mention everybody who was there, or you would never finish," said Mthembu.

Mthembu promised to raise the issue with the high level leadership of the ANC.

"Last time we heard, the Abathembu were coming and were bringing a present as they did long ago. So we are shocked to hear that he is not coming anymore," said Mthembu.

Dalindyebo also failed to attend a celebration in honour of his late father King Sabata Dalindyebo, which was organised by the South African Heritage Council.

He had indicated that the event was just to harass and annoy his ancestors since the royal protocol procedures were not followed.

He was reported to have locked himself in his royal palace and refused all attempts and pleadings to attend the event.

Comments
  • Bongani - 2012-01-05 08:14

    Hmmmm....R400 Million further we must learn they have the wrong date? Big Soap Opera this. A few days of fun and fighting ahead of us.

      John - 2012-01-05 10:03

      Of course it's going to be fun, the cANCer couldn't organize a pi$$up in a brewery. They know this and that's why the police and the army are there to stop them killing each other.

      Merven - 2012-01-06 11:28

      History is written by the government of the moment.

  • Charmain - 2012-01-05 08:15

    WEEL DONE NOT THAT IT WILL MATTER TO THE ANC THEY ARE TO STUPID

  • Heinrich - 2012-01-05 08:17

    "He had indicated that the event was just to harass and annoy his ancestors since the royal protocol procedures were not followed. He was reported to have locked himself in his royal palace and refused all attempts and pleadings to attend the event." Playing silly buggers along with the ANC and no doubt getting paid a fortune, while the majority of our people live in poverty. These parasites are so far removed from reality. We need leadership.

  • allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-01-05 08:22

    Distortion of history isn't a lie

      Fenderbender - 2012-01-05 08:52

      Your IQ is a lie

      Juan - 2012-01-05 10:22

      Yes just like robbing a bank isn't stealing

      Merven - 2012-01-06 11:29

      No Juan, it is called Affirmative banking.

  • John - 2012-01-05 08:30

    Honey....pass me the popcorn. This is going to be yet another circus, led by our clueless government. The greed is shocking. Watch, as they shovel pap and wors into their gorging rotund mouths.

  • Fenderbender - 2012-01-05 08:30

    Hahaha where is Aladin and the Prince of Persia !!

      Juan - 2012-01-05 10:23

      Or Laurel and Hardy

  • Gerhard - 2012-01-05 08:33

    So only 99,999 people will be attending. Quick, someone call the caterers and let them know! Too late to cancel the free T-shirt, it's been made already. We can give that one to Julius.

      Fenderbender - 2012-01-05 08:43

      More like 99 000 will be attending, the king eats for a thousand

  • mario.dippenaar - 2012-01-05 08:37

    We have a monarch in the Eastern Cape? Why am I only finding out about this now?

      Lonne - 2012-01-05 10:22

      Are there any other monarchs that we should know of or are they just made up as SA goes along. LOL!

      Wim - 2012-01-05 17:44

      Why, didn't you know that the king was seated in his castle in Cape Town before the Xhosas were forcibly removed from their traditional lands to the Transkei in the Eastern Cape by the apartheid regime? Happened to all the kings that built cities like Pretoria, Johannesburg, Bloemfontein, Durban. That is why the taxpayer now have to maintain them in the style they want to get accustomed to.

  • grenville.felton - 2012-01-05 08:38

    "King snubs ANC centenary celebrations" "distortion of history" only post Mandela has this occurred.History is done and dusted new South Africa must develop and Prosper.History will always be with us.Really a waste of time money on celebrations of a disfunctional party. The new youth will change this the old school has suppressed the youth for too long they are doing what apartheid did skillfully, Poor education and miss informed poor.

  • ungumla - 2012-01-05 08:39

    Well I must say SA history sounds very interesting indeed. The colonisers who are now part of colony find this site as a best place to ridicule. You should be loving ANC because this negotiated settlement has helped erased the suffering we and our fathers curretly experience. I am hopeful that when we take over the real redress of the past will happen. We are going to swell the ranks of DA and takeover the party and guess what Zille will know that this is Africa. I am mobilizing my fellow comrades to vote DA as we don't want to tarnish ANC the beloved movement of the people.

      Werner - 2012-01-05 08:48

      idiot

      Fenderbender - 2012-01-05 08:51

      ungumla you sound as thick as the tree you grew up in

      Beetroot - 2012-01-05 08:57

      SA History sounds very interesting indeed? You mean you went to school and learnt about SA History? Or the way you write I would say you paged through a dictionary and randomly typed this crap together. The DA is not part of the gravy train. There they dont take orders from the sideline. The DA serve their people and not race to the pap pot every day. ....loving ANC? Why! Give me one good reason why I must love a 17 year old disorganised bunch of self enriching uncivilised individuals who benefit in the sake of liberation! Your intelligence is a joke. How can you mobilise anything if you cant even write a sensible paragraph. 90% of the black population have yet to learn how African politics works. You address the masses with lies and false hope, you become elected, then you cling onto power for as long as you can living in luxury. Enjoy the rest of your life in lala land.

      SeeVeeDeeEl - 2012-01-05 09:01

      You say "the real redress of the past will happen"? So you will break down all the progress brought about by the white man and sink back to where you would have been today without the white man, next to your (round! - the irony) mud hut in the sun, waiting for the neighbouring tribe to come and slaughter you, and steal your wives and your cattle. That is if you survived infanthood. Yeah, real redress.

      Silvana - 2012-01-05 10:24

      @ungumla The google she is not translating so nicely. Present, past, pluperfect, future, future perfect all in 1 sentence. LOL

      Geronimo - 2012-01-05 10:41

      Zombie.

      margyhp - 2012-01-05 11:10

      The most idiotic comments I have read for a long time. Ungumla, you are an absolute plonker.!!

      phillip.havenga - 2012-01-05 15:35

      @ungumla, you really are a special kind of stupid.

      Wouter - 2012-01-05 17:15

      WTF???

  • Utopian - 2012-01-05 08:43

    The ANC are distorting history and historical records? Really? I don't (sic) believe it.

  • amos.mcinga - 2012-01-05 08:49

    "How do they celebrate a centenary for an organisation formed in 1906? Well, they are able to do so because they have the power to document distorted history," said Qashani.

      Chris - 2012-01-05 09:36

      I think its more a case of not being educated, seems like no one finished school, they obviously cannot count!!!

      Henk - 2012-01-05 12:36

      That is what you get if your history is not written down. Each teller of a story add and remove "facts" as they go along. Like in the bush telegraph game, what they hear now is far removed from the original message. Like the "Ubuntu" claim they lately started to preach again, while in fact their real history is strewn with stories of how they killed each other.

  • SeeVeeDeeEl - 2012-01-05 08:55

    The joke that is Africa - and the ANC embodies it all.

  • velilejonathan.williams - 2012-01-05 08:59

    Sizakuya neyiphi inyani ke thina kumantyi? What is the ANC to gain from distorting the ANC history? I am greatful that the King has raised this concern.

  • mike.moja - 2012-01-05 09:00

    His absence will not make any difference whatsoever. He is a non starter

  • ungumla - 2012-01-05 09:09

    @beetroot the DA is changing. Delille was PAC and got imprisoned for it but the power obsession of Zille ignores that. We are going to take strategic positions in the DA Mazibuko has started, Maile is next. Language and culture in the DA will change. Cope is busy negotiating with DA as we speak. Once everything is in place we will remove Zille and after that real economic transformation will begin. So if I were you I wouldn't politic online but do something now. Oops I forgot that you are still part of the minority so number are against you.

      Beetroot - 2012-01-05 10:01

      Its hard to accept that in all your writings the facts still remain the same. You are part and parcel of a super failure. I dont feel threatened by being outnumbered. Nor do I have to compete for space in the que for free handouts. I dont expect anything from any government as they are just one big disorganised party with a few middle line management policies in place. So you can dream on in your expectations of grandeur. At the end of the day your corrupt vile politician that YOU elected take the very peoples tax that you see as the minority and plunder it on anything and everything while you get zero service delivery!

      Geronimo - 2012-01-05 10:42

      Thick as two planks.

  • Grant - 2012-01-05 09:11

    who cares? this is the same king who wants to secede half of RSA for himself?

  • Alva - 2012-01-05 09:13

    LMAO! The drama has already started around the centenary celebration in Mangagung. Accusation of spin-doctoring already? Imagine after tots of karate water!

      John - 2012-01-05 10:16

      Vela, you aint seen nothin' yet. I am so pissed that JuJu won't be there because he will really liven things up when he puts his other foot in his mouth and changes gear. They should have put him and Winnie bitch at the same table too. That would really be a party of note then.

  • George - 2012-01-05 09:14

    This circus does not even need a practice run

      Juan - 2012-01-05 10:28

      No the lead-clown is a natural

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-05 09:21

    @ JAY035 Yes this was once a great country, and that has nothing to do with color or racism, it has to do with the ability to govern without stealing billions and extorting. In the '80's the dollar was worth around R1,20 our education system was rated one of the best in the world, with matriculant's being accepted overseas. Accept and face one reality neither you nor the ANC can ever whitewash (or should that be "Blackwash" no matter how hard you try, the so called "hero's of the liberation struggle" only real achievement was the bombing of innocent woman and children in supermarkets and schools, very few ever had the guts to take on the armed forces. Your struggle hero's who you praise so openly were cowards who prayed on the young and the weak. The ANC has been able to rewrite history as a direct result of people like you you who not only buy into thew bullsh*t they preach but who also continue to propagate the lies they spew. And before all the holier than thou get your nickers in a knot, I agree that what the apartheid government did was wrong, but then what would you have rather had?, us follow the lead of the rest of the western world and been engaged in hunting non whites down and killing them to the point where like the American Indian and Australian Aborigine, they were as but extinct as a race?

      Deon - 2012-01-05 10:39

      well spoken there mate.......couldnt agree more!

      chris.faurie - 2012-01-05 11:55

      You really has put the comparison into context. Apartheid was and will always be wrong, but what we have now, is worst than apartheid, racism applied by extremely stupid people.

      rod.buchan - 2012-01-05 17:35

      Hey Ludlowi leave our Australian Aborigines out of this! we still have over 500.000 of them stillmostly enjoying social welfare so they were hardly killed off as you put it.Why dont your A,N.C.invite them over to the big glorified expensive party in Bloem & if you realy want you can keep them to top your numbers up!

      Wim - 2012-01-05 17:58

      @rod buchan. 500,000 including 400,000 octoroons?

      Merven - 2012-01-06 11:45

      Here is some facts Rod: http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/geno-s07.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Aboriginal_history_of_Western_Australia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians

  • motsoka - 2012-01-05 09:25

    I guess white people are not watching that show on sabc 2 at 19:30

      John - 2012-01-05 10:26

      Wrong motsoka, I live half way round the world and I already know which international channel to tune into. I want all my expat friends over here to see a fu$k up at first hand and what a pathetic government looks like. I'm only sorry they won't be able to see JuJu in action. Damn!

      Juan - 2012-01-05 10:29

      Sorry boet, we have evolved

      Phil.Kleynhans - 2012-01-05 10:47

      Who wants to watch ANC makes a*sh0les out of themself to the whole world

      Phalo - 2012-01-05 12:19

      I am not watching either, and I am not White. Watch the dancing and people making fool of themselves? I have important things to do, like reading a really good book.

      madsipho - 2012-01-06 10:26

      I am black but will save my energy for better than watching idiots, unless Julius was there to make things hectic for JZ.

  • Themba - 2012-01-05 09:30

    Drama King

      hadedah - 2012-01-05 17:23

      Hi Themba I have been reading all the questions and replies, will make a most interesting book. Something which has been overlooked was the slavery trade where the so called Kings sold their yopuing people and children including woman and men to the slave traders who sold them to ready markets all over the then populated world, that was a long time ago, unfortunately slavery still exists in this world all for money and more money chiefs and kings sell their people like cattle to the buyer who pays the most. those in power also saught more and more money and power. and their kingdoms fell into decay as there was nobody else to sell. that is some thing which has been forgotten by the world, but it still go's on.Now children are sold into bondage in many eastern areas, children are sexually mutilated at a very young age, similar to the horrible things happening almost daily in good old RSA.

  • John - 2012-01-05 09:34

    Long Live AbaThembu King! ... "People are trapped in history, and history is trapped in them"

  • Americo - 2012-01-05 09:39

    This is Africa - what do you expect? Need any lessons on reading the Calendar?

  • Rex - 2012-01-05 09:41

    OH King Dali...get a life willyou? this is not about your father because every one in this world did have a father or two. So please my King...now I know why Eastearn cape is struggling with matric passes..they have as an advisor.

  • xolani.mhlongo3 - 2012-01-05 10:13

    the king is right.

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-01-05 10:23

      xolani stop this thing. He might be you're king but he must get the facts right.ANC was formed 100 years ago and his grandpa was not part of it.

      Phalo - 2012-01-05 12:11

      @Timmy.ditsele: Xolani is right. The forerunner of the ANC, the SANC and then the SANNC were formed way before 1912. The great grandfather of this King, King Dalindyebo was involved in 1904 when the organisation was first conceived by the likes of WB Rubusana and company in the Eastern Cape ( back then it was part of the Cape Province). See, those early fathers were in parliament as early as in the 1890's but lost out later when they could not agree who to support in the Anglo-Boer War. Rubusana supported the English and his fellow African elite, JT Jabavu supported the Boers. When the war ended, they continued separately, with Rubusana forming what was later to become ANC. His vision was for all Africans to unite and be part of the political establishment, hence he took his view to people like Seme and Mangena. So the King is right, the current history is distorted. JL Dube was not even in Bloemfontein when ANC was formed. He actually detested their views but had to be appointed in order to forge unity in SA back then. The King is right. Read your history please.

  • John - 2012-01-05 10:14

    joel.mathope - January 5, 2012 at 10:05 Just because some South Africans didn't have a great time doesn't distract from the fact that the country was the only First World country in Africa, with clean water, excellent infrastructure, a strong economy and sound policies bar the stupid ones apartheid brought with it. And really, are you going to believe the ANC propaganda of the millions of murders committed by security forces to try and romanticize their so-called part in the "victory"? Fact is, the so called leaders were revving it up in a self-induced exile because they were to yellow-bellied to fight the fight on home soil like the thousands of foot soldiers did. Tutu never left and neither did a bunch of others not seen in the incredibly stupid government we are stuck with today! So please boet, see the big picture and not the ANC BS clouding your mind!

      Nkulekweni - 2012-01-05 10:36

      Clean water for who? excellent infrastructure for who? a strong economy for who? Great education for who? Great health system for who? Grow up John.

      Garth - 2012-01-05 11:20

      @Marmeladesushi - if `Africans(sic) for the Africans', is to be believed(you obviously mean `Africa for the Africans), then all whites born in Africa have a place here, not so? Or are you such an ignorant, racist b1tch that you believe all that bull-shiite that you spouted. You are obviously mesmerised by your leaders' swinging d1cks and are blinded to reality and truth. On another note: If your useless uws had had the cojones to stand up and fight like real men, then there would possibly have been the numbers killed, that jay035 has dreamt up; I say possibly, because after the first shot, the useless uws would have run.

      chris.faurie - 2012-01-05 12:00

      @ Mameletsatsi, do you know anything about punctuation? Anycase, you are wrong!

      Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-05 13:10

      @mmaletsatsi. Put whatever you're drinking down. "the might of uws and other liberation movements"? You must be joking! Talk about being indoctrinated! Pot calling the kettle black much?! The SANDF fighting an honourable war against communism (not against this nation or that) had all of your "liberation movements"/terrorist organisations against the ropes - but we were to humane to finish you off like many other countries did to their natives. Stop spending your money on whatever you're sniffing and buy books on the subject.

      joel.mathope - 2012-01-05 13:36

      John are you reali from South Africa, I suggest you go and read more on what happened. Clearly you dont belong in this generations of optimists who want to see this country prosper. You cant take away what the ANC has achieved for us optimists,

      Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-05 13:40

      @nkumekweni: that is a fair comment.. But if you think about it - you didn't really have any of that before we came here did you? So it's not like we took anything away from you. In fact we gave you what you couldn't develop yourself.

  • Garth - 2012-01-05 10:19

    One God; One nation; One King . . . hang on, hang on, how can we have one nation with so many different kings? Are they truly kings, or merely clan leaders sponging off a government that is buying their votes? King of the aba-fvcken-who?

  • Thoka - 2012-01-05 10:20

    well said jay035, truth be told and racists shall give this thumps down I dont care. wake up viva mangaung viva tender or no tender

  • Phil.Kleynhans - 2012-01-05 10:20

    So in 1906 SA was under British rule and even at that time they were not recognised as a political party. Where does the Boer come in. ANC hasn't got a clue about their history, its all made up.

      Lonne - 2012-01-05 10:41

      That was history on your side of the railway line Phil. Don't be arrogant enough to think all of us who lived through the apartheid years subscribed to the same history you were brought up with.

      Phalo - 2012-01-05 11:42

      Actually Phil is right. Read the Cape Province archives and you will see the forerunner of hte ANC was there as early as 1906. what became of ANC in 1912 was a compromise setup. So yes Phil is right, this whole history is all made up. spot on Phil.

  • Sello - 2012-01-05 10:31

    KING MANG MANG WHATEVER THE NAME MUST NOT TELL US THAT ANC FORMED AT THEMBULAND OR SOMETHING BECAUSE ALL VETERANS WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE STRUGGLE THEIR CONTRIBUTED TO THIS ORGANISATION. NEXT YEAR CELEBRATION MUST BE HELD IN LIMPOPO WHERE THE HEART OF ANC DWELL

  • Geronimo - 2012-01-05 10:36

    What a bunch of hangers-on. Royalty schmoyalty, I do not recognise these people as anything important and I am disgusted that my taxes are used to feather these fools' nests. Can them all, I say.

  • abner.malema - 2012-01-05 10:54

    Nobody will notice that he was not there. just leave him, i know he needs money

  • mlesoli - 2012-01-05 10:58

    Haai I'm sorry but it sounds like the Xhosas wants to claim ANC as their personal organisation. If this King doesn't want to attend let him stay at home. John you are leaving in a LALA land and you just a wishful fool, to say SA was once a great country!!

      Phalo - 2012-01-05 12:15

      You need History lesson. here we go. The King is right. what was to become SANNC in 1912 was formed before then. in 1906, his grandfather, with Walter Rubusana ( a Xhosa member of Cape Parliament from the 1890s) formed the SANC. They then decided to take to all African peoples in the Union of SA and the ANC was born. Xhosas are not claiming ANC but we cannot deny that they formed it. Read your history please.

  • John - 2012-01-05 11:02

    Huge difference between the ANC 100 years ago and the bunch of idiots of today. 100 years ago they had dignity and today only greed.

  • abner.malema - 2012-01-05 11:38

    there are many people who contributed to the struggle with thier lives but thier children do not complain

  • Trevor - 2012-01-05 11:40

    SO, a King is ignored because they can't mention EVERYONE who was involved in the founding of the ANC..wow...so who do you have to be to make the cut...LMAO...R400mil party..."liberation organisation" my ass...

  • paul.prinsloo3 - 2012-01-05 11:43

    Not kwowing whther they're coming or going?

  • jan.roodt1 - 2012-01-05 11:44

    So how many more kings are in this country which we don't know of? The only parasite I know of is the one in KZN!! Wonder if we can maybe get a list of everybody who's classified as a KING in SA.

  • George - 2012-01-05 11:57

    Ouch! and who is this king again? Really, I don't think it will make a difference if he comes or not. This king and queen business is just another way of exploiting our scares resources. Don't really see their role in the new SA. They actually contribute to poverty within their so called kingdoms.

      chris.faurie - 2012-01-05 12:04

      I agree, what do the so called royalty contribute, spot on.

  • TakaGearbox - 2012-01-05 12:27

    And the bloody morons are spending over R100 million of taxpayers money whilst schools in the EC have had their electricity cut in lieu of an unpaid bill of a measley R10 million compared to the waste over one weekend....to celebrate non-delivery of services over 17 years !!!

  • Michael - 2012-01-05 12:35

    I remember some clown criticizing the title "Lord Mayor" saying how foolish and archaic it was that white people still used this. And yet in his own back garden, the title "King" is just dandy.

  • Comrade - 2012-01-05 12:35

    SO WHAT.

  • SergeD69 - 2012-01-05 12:47

    What king? Never heard of. King on his manure heap! What a joke!

  • Donny Doncaster - 2012-01-05 12:54

    Why is it important? Why don't we rather focus on the here and now? Everyone is celebrating as if the "job" is done and in reality we're a long way off.

  • Koekies - 2012-01-05 13:59

    Do we not have too many kings in SA? If not, why should the tax payer foot the bill then?

  • phumlanii - 2012-01-05 14:03

    Why is it most whites hate ANC? They don't see a positive thing that the ANC have done thus far? Like every other political party that can be in power, there will be vile and dispicable muladministration that will take place. I don't support the usage of R400m but ANC deserves to commemorates it's years of existance as any political party that wishes to so.

      Blade - 2012-01-05 15:33

      Please list the positive things that they have done.

      Pixie86 - 2012-01-05 16:46

      @blade, uh, our freedom. We don't have to carry around passports! Gone or the days of blacks only and whites only, kids are now able to play together irrespective of race, people can socialise with whomever, water, electricity in rural areas, homes for the poor... Please feel free to stop me.

      Refilwe IronMan Rakoma - 2012-01-05 22:03

      @blade, just to add u are not a refugee in some foreign country. Thats a big thing after parties like the PAC wanted white people out of this country.

  • Newsmonger - 2012-01-05 14:04

    These 'so called kings' in Africa have a collective IQ of a flip flop, one wants commission and now this tosser!Who gives a sh1t about this a$$?

  • Thabo - 2012-01-05 14:34

    Good riddance!

  • Thabo - 2012-01-05 14:47

    The King must just go back home like his name says!