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Know the ANC, Max du Preez tells farmers

2012-08-01 22:17

Bloemfontein - Get to know ANC politics, journalist Max du Preez advised Free State farmers on Wednesday.

"It's also good for the heart," said Du Preez.

He told delegates at Free State Agriculture's annual conference that many people did not have insight into the ruling party, especially farmers.

"It's the reason why we react so emotionally at times."

Du Preez said farmers got worked up by statements from people such as former African National Congress Youth League president Julius Malema.

"We must get to a point where we understand Malema blowing off steam and the change in the ANC."

He told farmers the governing party was currently mostly dominated by populists who stepped into the limelight at its elective conference in Polokwane in 2007.

"The ugly [side] of the ANC has come forward. People who seek power are at the forefront."

Du Preez said farmers should remember they were easy targets for populist politics, and that land was central to politics in South Africa.

"You must know when somebody talks about land, who he is, why he says that, where it comes from, was it rhetoric, or should he be taken seriously?"

People reacted in panic and were unable to work out a strategy if they did not understand this.

Du Preez said South Africa was doing well, despite the current government. Citizens had to come to a point where they said the country had a bad president or government, not that it was a bad country.

"Our happiness does not depend on what [President Jacob] Zuma or Malema said yesterday."

Du Preez said farmers should not spend their energy on panic, but rather on taking the initiative in South Africa's development.

"They must chill a bit… the Constitution cannot be changed anymore."

Comments
  • sakhi.TheNextKent.dlala - 2012-08-01 22:26

    Well Said Max! but then again, are the farmers willing to 'understand' the ANC?

      thandiwe.ngema.71 - 2012-08-01 23:11

      Well said Max.. We will not let out food security be jeopardised by stupid utterances from so called youth "leaders". We need sustainable land transformation that is concomitant with educational and apprentice schemes to help train new farmers of all colours. The land (and SA has loads) must enrich us all..

      tobydt - 2012-08-01 23:43

      What he meant was, that the ANC is currently lead by populists. Who make noise merely to stir the heart strings of the masses. Hence, the farmers shouldnt panic, its just them making noise (Julius/Ronald/Jacob).

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-01 23:44

      ....yip... .....3 000 farmers murdered since 1994.... ..and the genocide continious..! ....thanks Max..!

      jack.oosthuysen - 2012-08-02 00:34

      Know them, possible. Understand them, perhaps. Trust them, very difficult.

      smellarat.smith - 2012-08-02 00:50

      Max, your suggestion has some validity and I agree that people outside of the ANC umbrella should pay closer attention to the machinery of that powerful political organization. And try to contribute rather than always complain and criticize. If was a farmer or any other employer, I would ensure I always treat everyone fairly and with respect. Not just as an insurance policy, which it is to some extent, but because it is the right thing to do. However, the stars predicting South Africa's future is lining up in an ominous way. The catastrophy North of our border has played out despite the nice constitutional roadmap sealed with the Lancaster agreement. One just has to be mentally challenged to know that millions of Zimbabweans have fled the results of Mugabe's policies, and still believe that we should be emulating his policies. The very fact that Mugabe seems to be a hero to so many of our local population is puzzling and very disconcerting. The usual depraved and cruel dimension of the farm murders (why kill everyone, including helpless children and elderly, when a mask should suffice to avoid recognition?) is very worrisome. Finally, I think we should take the continuous threats made by powerful populists within the ANC as seriously - these pople sounds like Mugabe reincarnated, but with even less education. I do not see high calibre leadership coming through, certainly not from the ANCYL. I am worried, for Black and White South Africans.

      antebellum.axiom - 2012-08-02 01:15

      Lets view this as a different scenario to get a clear perspective and some objectivity. Imagine if there were 40 000 bakers in south africa. 3 200 have already been violently murdered in their bakeries. Alot of them tortured and mutilated. When queried about the deaths of so many bakers, the ruling party says that it is "ordinary crime". They sing a song called "shoot the baker" at public gatherings and refuse to abide by court rulings that prevent them from doing so. The president himself sings this song on the party's 100th birtday. It's youth league leader says "bakery reforms need an act as forcefull as war". To the north a president with a hitler moustache has confiscated all the bakeries and killed many bakers in the process, leaving his country starving and in economic depression. This forced many of them to flee south, followed by milions of refugees. Our leaders have not once condemned these actions. Instead they chose a path of "silent diplomacy". The leaders of our ruling party's youth league have on many occasions made their admiration of this president known. One of them even traveled to his country to see how it was accomplished. Then some washed up journalist urges the bakers to try and "understand" the ruling party and that they are only blowing off steam... That the threat is not real... I really hope that there is an afterlife so that Max can take up his honorary position in the ninth circle of hell. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_%28Dante%29

      alastair.grant.98 - 2012-08-02 03:07

      I suspect that Max is speaking in code: what he really means is that, if you blast off at the ANC, they will only get worse. If whites want to see fewer ANC politicians, all they have to do is shout "duck" when the shooting starts. But I don't agree that "understanding" (i.e. being more accepting of their antics) will help. It won't make whites bullet-proof, their land tenure any more secure, or increase the likelihood that honest and intelligent people will take (back) control of the ruling party. I also take no comfort from Max's reference to the Constitution. Sure, they don't have the majority to change it - but they don't need to: they are packing the courts with their own toadies, so our beloved Constitution will have no teeth.

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-02 07:08

      He simply said that if you want to beat your enemy, then get to know him. He did not say trust them and agree with them, but try and understand why this government is such a failure. he is basically trying to look for answers to justify their behaviour.I have seen zoo pets behave better.An educated country is a rich country. Look at China and India. they invested heavily into education and it's no rocket science that they are slowly becoming superpowers. Can we really compete with them with our education?

      andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-08-02 07:19

      How about the ANC trying to "understand" the farmers? Who produces food for the masses in this country? Can Africa provide for all the masses? No! It is the white farmers making food available for the citizens of SA!

      foe.no - 2012-08-02 15:22

      Who cares what the farmers think? Its what the ruling party thinks that matters ..

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-08-03 11:51

      @foe.no...not sure if sarcastic or really stupid...

  • @Thabo.Shaku - 2012-08-01 22:29

    Farmers must also embrace other South Africans and work with them. AgriSA, Grain SA etc must continue to open their doors for Black farmers who are committed to farming!

      tobydt - 2012-08-01 23:44

      Thabo - South Africans must also embrace farmers and work with them. They are not easy targets, and they dont deserve the constant demonizing.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-02 06:49

      You're correct Thako, unfortunately a lot of our goodwill has being destroyed by the current regime. But buy a Farmers Weekly and you will always read stories of black farmers being helped on their feet by white commercial farmers. Pity so many are now alienated. The current ANC is a really bad and devious bunch.

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-02 07:12

      The problem is that they want to keep it Black. Like you have Black Lawyers forum, Black Management forum etc.I do understand that it will take time for Blacks to trust Whites completely given what has happened in the past. But that is just what it is; the past. You have to find leadership that will encourage development of its people. The current regime, still wants the masses to be kept in the dark ages.

      hleriche - 2012-08-02 11:42

      Ag donner. Is this fossil Max still at it. The farmer's do their bit, unless you believe the ANC that is at the forefront of populism and finding "whites" and "farmers" as scapegouts. MadMax should take a chill pill. It's not like the ANC is tortured and murdered by the droves now is it??? Stop the farm murders, then we talk! Black people need to take stock. Like Malcolm X said....you got to be in power to be racist. We all know who's in power. So if you don't want to take it from a white guy, take it from Malcolm X.

  • jimzimbo - 2012-08-01 22:37

    I'm going to "test the water" here and suggest that at least some of the white South African farmers are a part of the problem....They need to embrace the status quo and contribute to the solution........I agree with Max.

      higgs.boson.5036 - 2012-08-01 23:12

      Well, let me "test the waters" and say you're a friggin idiot. Not because you say some white farmers might be a problem. No, with that I can agree. But you're an idiot for not realizing some black workers and some black politicians are also part of the problem.

      sean.howlett.71 - 2012-08-02 01:43

      @jimzimbo- Typical BLACK arrogance !! One of the biggest problems SA has ! No brain , yet arrogant !

      lionel.defrontignac - 2012-08-02 03:09

      I see you got the usual kneejerk reaction...It seems that the much hated land grabs in Zim are actually starting to show promise. If these reactionary farmers don't catch a wake-up, they will be off to Nigeria and other African countries to lease farms, where they can drag their workers behind their bakkies. IMO it's only a vocal minority of farmers who get tjatjerag - the rest - like most of us South Africans, get on with life,make a living, treat their compatriots of all hues and walks with respect, and ignore the bs spewed out by politicians.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-02 06:52

      You're right jimzimbo. Some are, but most that are currently part of the problem have been so badly alienated by this corrupt regime that it will be very difficult to change their mindsets.

      CORNHOLIO - 2012-08-02 08:31

      they will be off to Nigeria and other African countries to lease farms, where they can drag their workers behind their bakkies. listen to the peacemaker.havent you got an innocent frog or snail to drown in garlic and call it culture. move to farm in limpopo while youre doing it bigmouth ps: dont forget to mention that dragging thing to the locals

      pierre.scheepers.9 - 2012-08-02 09:48

      .They need to embrace the status quo and contribute to the solution. How do you embrace the status when there is a genocide going on with the Afrikaner Boere volk. How do you contribute to the solution if you have to constantly worry if your wife and sons and daughters are still alvie on your farm when you are working your hands to the bone to feed the population of this country? You tested the water and failed miserably!!!

  • ApSoLuT1 - 2012-08-01 22:37

    its the first time i hear him talking something worth writing about.

  • Henk - 2012-08-01 22:45

    Max you wanted this. So sit back and enjoy it!

  • mark.wiercx - 2012-08-01 22:45

    a sensible voice of reason at last. farmers must also realise that their workforce and themselves are inextricably linked - they cannot uplift themselves without the co-operation of their labourers, and vice versa. those farmers who have embraced that viewpoint, as well as their labourers, are prospering. those that are stuck in the past will stay there and continue their gradual decline.....

      higgs.boson.5036 - 2012-08-01 23:03

      But Mark, doesn't the same apply to the workers then? If they want to uplift themselves they must have consideration for and seek co-operation from their employer?

  • Michael - 2012-08-01 22:47

    Very important statement by Max Du Preez, infact let me also add that they must actualy join the ANC and influence changes from within. ANC will be in charge for a very long time, anyone who want changes from outside is just wasting their time, this organization mean business and is here to stay.

      bernpm - 2012-08-02 00:17

      in a democracy, parties hardly change. Voters change the ruling party by voting! The ruling party goes out when replaced by another one (or two or three...in coalition) long before the famous Jezus comes.

      alastair.grant.98 - 2012-08-02 03:30

      Michael - a lot of people have tried to change the ANC from within - from grassroots to Cabinet. They aren't part of the ANC any more. Remember Andrew Feinstein? Barbara Hogan? COPE? Julius Malema? The party is very good at purging dissent. When any organization reaches a certain level of dysfunction, it becomes impossible to fix, and must be replaced. I do agree, unfortunately, that this monstrosity will rule our lives for some years to come, but I can't see how it can improve until the oligarchs who manipulate it have stripped the cupboard bare, and borrowed against anything they can't sell, to the point that they can no longer find the money to pay civil servants and buy votes with social grants and housing.

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 10:12

      " this organization mean business" It is not a long lasting business, I give SA another 10 years and we'll be the same as Zimbabwe.

  • clive.toerien - 2012-08-01 22:51

    yes they must just relax, wile songs are being sang to kill them

      sean.howlett.71 - 2012-08-02 01:45

      and while brainless people (not sure if one can call them people) take those words up literally

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 10:13

      The only thing worst than a ANC member is a white ANC member.

  • thebe.tau - 2012-08-01 22:52

    THE PERSON BELOW THIS COMMENT SLEPT WITH THE PERSON ABOVE THIS COMMENT.

      theo.konings.9 - 2012-08-03 09:34

      I think your father slept with his sister judging by your brainless inbred posting.

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-08-01 22:53

    So people must chill a bit on our land that they took unlawfully.

      higgs.boson.5036 - 2012-08-01 23:02

      Your land? Show me the deed. At least I can show you every single receipt of every single item that your cousins took from my house unlawfully.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-01 23:33

      ...you took the land unlawfully from the KhoiSan..! .. .....thieves...!

      BulletProof. - 2012-08-01 23:44

      TROLL.

      mark.page.923171 - 2012-08-02 01:21

      Sheep! Blehhh.. Stop! Think for yourself for a change! Nobody stole YOUR land. The government has access to MOST of the land, which they can hand out all they want. But you want to steal the nicely developed farms ne? Why pick on our farmers. Troll.

      sean.howlett.71 - 2012-08-02 01:46

      @daniel.motlhatlhedi - Your land , lol ! Close your eyes and what you see is yours !

      tw2066 - 2012-08-02 05:06

      On YOUR land? Idiot.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-02 06:57

      Well daniel, I must admit, the land you have taken back from us via land reform is returning to its wild state. Must be due to your fella's chilling out on it once they have it? Oh, and most of the land we occupy was negotiated for or unoccuppied when our forefathers settled on it. Its not as if we took farms from any of you, the land was a free for all.

  • jo.vankatwijk - 2012-08-01 22:56

    1500 characters are not enough to describe why I do not agree with Max.

  • thebe.tau - 2012-08-01 23:03

    Now this is what we call an intellectual Afrikaner, riff ruffs call him liberal but that's ok,call him anything that's opposite these hobos its a compliment.

      Adil Smit - 2012-08-01 23:38

      Mr du Preez has always loved stirring up emotions

      tw2066 - 2012-08-02 05:09

      Intellectual, - like the idiots who vote and continue to vote for a crrupt ineptocracy that brought you corruption, crses in education, health, electricity, housing, roads, the police, the army and of course allow crime to go on unabated.

  • dumisani.mbense - 2012-08-01 23:17

    it's not panic, it's anger they end up shaking.Du Preez is right there nothing to panic about

  • sean.crookson - 2012-08-01 23:19

    They call it the Stockholm syndrome. Max has a bad case, I'm afraid. Anyone who comes out regularly with this offensive racist, anti-farmer rhetoric needs a swift 'snotklap', not paternalistic murmurs of understanding. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Snotklap

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-01 23:51

      ...Max is a lost case.... ..he will always be a ANC praise-singer..... ...just another blind liberal....

  • sonet.vd.westhuizen - 2012-08-01 23:21

    Farmers are being targeted, RAPED, Murdered, their corpses MUTILATED and "Du Preez says farmers get worked up by statements from people such as former African National Congress Youth League president Julius Malema and they should have insight in the A&C??? ARE you BLIND/DEAF/DUMB du preez!!! The SA president and his "Puppet" Malema OPENLY sings "Kill the Boer, Kill the White at EVERY OPPORTUNITY they GET and their followers are DOING just that!!!!!. FARMERS, "FOOD SUPPLIERS" of the MASSES are KILLED DAILY!!!!! Are YOU going to feed these ALREADY POOR STARVING masses once there ARE no MORE FARMERS?????????

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-02 00:11

      ....3 000 white farmers murdered since 1994... ...but the ANC says its not a problem...! ...fools...!

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-08-01 23:31

    Max, you are right that emotions must be tempered but this present government must make way for the New South Africa. We do not need the septic "bitter enders" in power any more. They really must go and tend to their cows(assets)they have gained and play with the grand children. It really is overdue.

      ishmael.boboko - 2012-08-02 05:38

      The farmers have been in power for a very long time that their concience has died , they cnt differentiate anymore , they stil treating employees like animals. No shelter , no Electricity. No abulition facilities and u want tell us about A new SA which is still cmg. We are in the new SA and believe if Christ Hani and the likes of Biko ws nt murdered u cld nt be talking of ur farms . This is our land and Malema is right abt nt compensating for it.

      Blipsie - 2012-08-02 08:47

      @ Ishmael, garrawoewoer, you just want to legalise stealing. Why dont you work for a change instead of just "want" for a change?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-08-02 10:09

      Ismail, do you have any ideas what the rdp houses are like that the ANC is building for its own people? They have no bathrooms and are dangerous because they are falling down. How can you point fingers at the farmers when the ANC is guilty of so much more? Under the guise of helping their people, they are abusing them and stealing their futures. The anc gives not a fig for its own kind - they concern themselves only with their own overstuffed pockets and their own greedy agendas. Catch a wake up man ...

  • BulletProof. - 2012-08-01 23:39

    Certain words said in the past might not kill or may be they did kill but they hurt a lot.

  • Adil Smit - 2012-08-01 23:40

    Mr du Preez should buy himself a farm in a remote area and live there for 3 years.

      mark.page.923171 - 2012-08-02 01:24

      Couldn't have said it any better. Exactly! Max.. we dare you (and take your loved ones with ne)..

      CORNHOLIO - 2012-08-02 08:53

      now you talkin' yeehah cmon max put your ar$e where your mouth is shoulnt be too difficult

  • smalefane - 2012-08-01 23:55

    Whites need to understand that crime affects everyone in South Africa, not only white farmers. There are more black people murdered, raped...everyday in SA. Crime knows no colour. And as for the youth league, I have to agree with Max, they are just populists.

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-02 00:03

      ...because the ANC is useless... ....18 000 persons are murdered every year..!!!

      blou.johnny - 2012-08-02 00:05

      ...because the ANC is useless... ....18 000 persons are murdered every year..!!!

      smalefane - 2012-08-02 00:47

      @blou, the National Party was not any better-segregation, murders, taking land from blacks...

      mark.page.923171 - 2012-08-02 01:32

      That is simply not true Smalefane. I do not see any whites going out killing, murdering, raping and torturing black people. Yes of course our black brothers and sisters also suffer, but the difference is that there isn't an organised and politically motivated drive to harm them. I do not see white people in power, singing and chanting to kill a specific race. Whites are a minority in this country, and our farmers need special protection. If you honestly can't see this, then you don't have a heart. Why were the commandos banned?

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-02 07:25

      You are correct in saying that crime affects us all irrespective of colour. But the question is, what is this government doing about it?Yes, the NP did have a horrible system in apartheid, but that is part of our history.Why do we have to have a form of apartheid(AA,BEE etc) when many died trying to fight it?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-02 07:58

      Malefane let us all concentrate our energies on how to protect white lives because apartheid taught us that black lives are cheap. That is why the army, the Security Branch, the CCB, Vlakplaas hit squads and the SAP were all deployed in the townships until just before 1994 to shoot and kill blacks for demanding to be treated like human beings who feel pain and have red blood just like everyone else

      merven.halo - 2012-08-03 10:16

      Yes smalefane, but look at who is doing these crimes, there is your problem.

  • Mark - 2012-08-02 00:18

    Dear Max du Preez You are acting like a Black-Nationalist apologist. Though you always had honorable intentions and tremendous guts when the White Afrikaner Nationalists were holding sway, your pride is getting in the way now. Farmers lives are being traded for the populist vote! How many lives does it take before you change your mind?

      lotus.river.5 - 2012-08-02 06:16

      Rustic farm attacks are not about race but about vulnerability.I know most people will nit agree with me on this one but its true.I'm black,and we recently bought a small farm in pretoria.since october 2012 we had 7 attacks,the worst ones were about 4 invasions in the same week about a month ago.our neighbours,who are all white afrikaners,have been very helpful,and pointed out that these attacks happened to them as well before they upped their security.our photos are al over the farm house,on one of the occasions my husband and I were held up at two gun points in our garage.the only reason we haven't been murdered is because we have very tight security,and they usually have only 15mins to finish robbing us before the security companies are at our door.my question to all of you who are going on rthis racist trend about farm murders is:what about us?and the very few black farm owners in sa who suffer the same fate as their very many white counterparts?these crimes are commited by desperate criminals,and vulnerability and isolation of the victim is the motivating factor,not the colour of their skin.its prevalent among white farmers because most farmers are white.if we focused our energies on finding ways to protect them,we wouldn't be wasting our time pointing fingures at each other and dividing the nation.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-02 07:40

      Rustic do yourself a favour by reading Johan Burger's [Institute for Security Studies]study on farm attacks and disabuse yourself of your idiocy. Before I go, stop talking like a Boeremampara

  • sbudesh1 - 2012-08-02 00:30

    Max white commenters won't be happy about this, that's not something they want to hear. They want to read about the the ANC failing to gorven the country as if that's all we care about, some of us are not rich as whites are and we want unity so we get stressed when we read comments white people post when they express the hate they have about this country and the government, they hate that they were born in SA. So they say every bad/nasty thing they can think of about the country and the people running it(if you don't believe me read comments on every airticle that involes the ANC or crime rape fraud etc they enjoy the blame game). They don't want to read about anything that can unite us as a nation( that's why they always isolate themselves) or bring peace, they always find a ways to say nasty things.they have money and time to waste, we ( the poor) on the otherside worry about the next meal that's why the are few black commenters on this site. Max even if what you said makes some sense you won't get thumbs up because is not against the government.( They probably going to say my comment is irelavent)

      dee.980 - 2012-08-02 01:02

      You are right .... up to a point. BUT - Have you noticed how a report of a successful arrest by police (just doing the job they are employed to do) gets an inordinate amount of praise here too? Or we have some success on the world stage like a gold medal - and our national joy spills over? Or Thuli Madonsela delivers her TRUSTED verdict - and we respect it. Or Dr Ramphele or Govan Mbeki speak and we all respect and listen. Or SKA project jointly won - and we all heap praise on Naledi Pandor. so Sbudesh ... I don't think any colour S.African's actually LIKE hearing about corruption and failures and protection of the elite in the ruling party. It is just that some of the tax payers feel very strongly against it - and do not hold emotional loyalty for a party that is robbing the poorest people of this country and failing many others - at the expense of self enrichment. Speaking for myself - I would LOVE to hear more stories of acts of honesty, integrity, honour, trustworthness, decisive intelligent and inclusive LEADERSHIP ....... not excuses, firing of a clerk for massive collective corruption and failure .......... sigh. In short - what Max has to say made sence up to 10 years ago maybe. Not any more.

      alastair.grant.98 - 2012-08-02 04:14

      sbudesh - that's not what I see at all. I see considerable anger with our government who are failing miserably to fulfil their responsibilities in all the key areas of governance - health, education, law enforcement etc - and who are shamelessly enriching and aggrandizing themselves at the same time. I don't see anything racist in these criticisms and, indeed, they come from every quarter - it's not the sole preserve of whites to criticise. Consider Moletsi Mbeki, Bishop Tutu, Mamphela Ramphele, Zwelinzima Vavi and even Julius Malema. What IS racist, however, is to deflect legitimate criticisms by suggesting they are are motivated by skin colour, or to imply that whites should just keep quiet. We all want a peaceful, prosperous nation. Under the present leadership, that dream is retreating at a frightening rate. Democracy thrives on criticism. Criticism is like the white blood cells in your body, which fight off infection and corruption. A gullible and "loyal" civil society is the wet dream of every political psychopath, regardless of country or skin colour. What's happening here has already happened in several former eastern-bloc countries. Try looking at the criticisms objectively, instead of rejecting them out of hand because you think they come from rich whites, concerned only with preserving their ill-gotten gains. Try to lose the chip on your shoulder, and see what's happening to the land your children's children will inherit, before there's nothing left.

      ishmael.molatelo - 2012-08-02 07:02

      GOD BLESS SA this political instability is driving white n blacks mad.we dont need civil war,but the fact is rasicm wil never end though, more especialy with traditional white an blak ppl who r resistance to change in their mind!

  • dee.980 - 2012-08-02 00:34

    Dear Max Whilst the Constitution remains intact for the time being, the judiciary, NPA, and security services have not fared so well as independent, non partisan bodies. Media freedom is under threat. And there are not enough pixels to elucidate on the failures in almost every sphere of governance and parastatals. You and I both had the same high regard for 1994 ANC - and you may well say that it has 'merely been taken over by 'populists' ..... but the slide of recent years is extreme - and where is it going to end? I look at the Hobsons Choice for presidency, I hear deafening silence from the 'calibre' members. This year I have experienced the same feelings of political fear and depression that I felt in the 80's. Where is this downward spiral of governance going to end? And as you speak to Agriforum - have they not told you of the repeated ANC rebuffs on all their goodwill plans offered to help new farmers? My own goodwill towards ANC is running on empty.

  • jeremy.forbes.1293 - 2012-08-02 00:36

    In twenty years time ours will be a very different country, the dependence the ANC places on being the party of liberation will not matter at all. There will be voting people in their later thirties and early forties who will have no experience of apartheid. Even now, we have millions of African school kids leaving formerly white schools with a great education and with globalised values of ambition and hard work. To say nothing of high quality young African adults emerging out of private schools. This is mainly where the leaders of the future will come from. All I think Max is saying is, be prepared for a future which will be very different and not to get too fixated about what is happening in the ANC at the moment as it implodes. In other words be strategic about the future. White South Africans will need to learn to form alliances with these people coming out of the schools I've mentioned. Learn to cope with change and be prepared for it, it is inevitable.

      dee.980 - 2012-08-02 01:40

      If ANCYL is the face of our future leaders - GOD HELP US!!!! But yes, I agree that there are many extraordinary young South Africans out there. Let's hope they take their political cue from a Lindiwe, Dr Ramaphele or Goven Mbeki rather than from the ruling party's intellectual, moral & leadership desert and the unelected alliance trade union party sloganeering of some old white Russian dude's failed political ideology.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-08-02 01:52

      Change is good, but you're talking about lives - lives that right now are in the balance. People who have not even a remote hope of ever enjoying what was fought for and promised. What about those sad souls? Do we just ignore their plight? What about the way the sick are treated in our hospitals -pushed into a room and left to die? Or a mom in labour turned away from a hospital - and then because of it - to have her baby die? For those people it's over. It should never have happened. It should never happen again? Who cares??? In 20 years time when the wheel has turned - will it maybe be different then? It's a disgusting mess and a travesty of justice. An out and out betrayal by the ANC of the people of South Africa.

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-08-02 04:45

      Jeremy there is plenty such people already. Most of them work in upmarket restaurants as waitresses and tea ladies. You will thousands also on the streets. You will never know their IQ level till you have spoken to them. They look like me and are judged on the bases of the colour of their skin just like me. Their are viewed as untrustworthy,barbaric and thieving.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-08-02 09:17

      Thobile, I'd like to think you are wrong. I take great pleasure in interacting with black people and in the whole, find them pleasant, responsive and interesting to talk to. some are very suspicious and won't give me the time of day. I don't treat black people any differently from the way I treat anyone else - that is the way my parents were and the way I was raised. I believe most of my family and friends are that way. For heavens sake, I employ black people and they also help me in my home. How much closer can one get? They get paid first - are treated as valued individuals and would defend me with their lives. Why can we not all be the same? Courtesy costs nothing and kindness goes a long way to mending broken fences.

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-08-02 01:44

    Yes the constitution can be changed. To include the death penalty for ALL RAPES, HOME INVASIONS and FARM MURDERS. It is government's casual attitude to ALL of these crimes that cause the public to have no confidence in the ANC. Corruption would then be next ... Cheat the people and pay for it with your life. I call that a fair trade. In the private sector, if I squeeze money out of someone illegally I go to jail, but in government, absolutely nothing happens!

      ompi.khang - 2012-08-02 05:16

      Yes I agree that constitution must change. To bring back death penalty for racism,exploitation of blacks,fronting in BBBEE,boeremag,killing of farm workers by their masters and balooning of farms prices.

      ompi.khang - 2012-08-02 05:17

      Yes I agree that constitution must change. To bring back death penalty for racism,exploitation of blacks,fronting in BBBEE,boeremag,killing of farm workers by their masters and balooning of farms prices.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-08-02 09:06

      Exploitation of any person is a crime against humanity - irrespective of the race of the victim or the perpetrator. The color of one's skin, morally, cannot be used to justify abuse in any form. BUT, if someone behaves in a savage, brutal and remorseless manner, I say throw the maximum force if the law at them - again irrespective of color.

  • Mantshonga KaPhumelele Mncadi - 2012-08-02 02:33

    @blou,how many of those 18000 are murdered in the Western Cape

      luke.dekoker - 2012-08-02 09:07

      Many of the Western Cape murders are committed by anc "paid" supporters

  • Mantshonga KaPhumelele Mncadi - 2012-08-02 02:41

    @mark- i like how u said u do not see any white people going around killing,raping,etc...Fact of the matter is the do do that, to name but a few, the sunday rapist, the satanic murders in the Meyersdale area south of Johannesburg, and the boeremag.

  • Mantshonga KaPhumelele Mncadi - 2012-08-02 02:46

    @Bless- i totally agree with u, however i would like to amend the part on farm murders to murders in general

      Bless Boswell - 2012-08-02 10:03

      I agree murders should be punishable by the death penalty. the reason I did not generalize on that point is because: say Bonette killed Kotze when he killed her son and had her raped and mutilated in Modimolle - that would have possibly been deemed to be murder. She should have been awarded a medal had she killed him - instead, she would probably have been charged with murder. If you or I shoot a burglar in our homes, we will be charged with murder -should we be put to death for that? So, it's a point to consider. But, in the main, as in the bible - an eye for an eye...

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-08-02 03:12

    Very interesting views from a veteran journalist

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-02 03:13

    The ANC we know is from what we see and hear every day. You want us to relax and stop worrying. Tell that to the Zim farmers, they also had a constitution. Stop dreaming Max, the comrades are hungry for their economic freedom, which simply put is an opportunity to grab anything they can.

      dudu.son.1 - 2012-08-02 07:22

      The drugs and some foreighers both pale and dark skinned are putting more economic pressure in our country then the corrupt home affairs , sone people and organisations/groups that oppose deportation. General corruption and failure to monitor privatised services. DA taking gov to courts so both use funds at their desposal. We need to remenber that there were blabk and whites who were torturd and died for struggle. Some sans and farmers employ foreigners and pay them peanuts bcos the give then accommodation and meals. Hey they do not like it.

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-02 04:09

    some land wouldnt hurt \r\nto give it back...\r\nThe farmers who stole it know it in thya hearts so its in thya concience\r\nwith thya gods.Well not that i care, i'm not into farming althou my parent and every member enjoys it.

      Michael - 2012-08-02 05:39

      And when land is given to you today, what are you going to do with it? Dont just talk like Ronald Lamola, please be realistic and think with your brains, not only with your emotions. Do you have resources or an idea on agriculitural development? No.

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-02 04:16

    had the farmer's payed thya workers\r\nreasonable salaries. N also get into initiative to do good in those communities some of those murders would had never taken place... So stop blaming it on govermnt dis, grvmnt dat...n take initiative to do more than to pay r2300,00 per month. A money u cnt even give yo son for a month. Nxa.\r\nU know how that it sound??? Sounds like exploitation, now u say black broers shouldnt b opportunistic???

      Nita8P - 2012-08-02 05:58

      Always demanding more. You know instead of complaining you can save up, educate yourself and look for another job. Nobody is forcing them to work on farms for a low salary

      pkheswa - 2012-08-02 06:31

      Wow Nita, share with us how would u 'save up' from R2300 a month.

      patrick.mettle.7 - 2012-08-02 06:48

      So let me get this straight. Farm workers get around 2500 per month. Free accmmodation, water, electricity and no transport expenses. They have more disposable income than I do! Exactly how much do you want to pay them? I know cleaners who earn that wage but have to pay all the bills I do. They the ones I feel for. As for food security, subsistance farming won't support SA. If \the people\ want land to farm on, there is enough in Transkei to serve everyone. Leave the current productive farms alone. And BTW, gov had set minimum wage levels so farmers are not breaking the law. Farmers are actually paying way more with perks, than the Gov would have them pay.

      Nita8P - 2012-08-02 18:09

      I started with R1500 pm 3 years ago and saved up what I could to do some computer courses :) so WOW to that. Where there's a will there's a way. Your excuses are invalid -.-

  • richard.turner.7792052 - 2012-08-02 04:50

    Dri Vel. Who wants the next seat in parliament Max?

  • Mike - 2012-08-02 05:33

    "Know the ANC". The question Max is, do you know the ANC?? Do you know about their rabid racism, racial discrimination, class discrimination, corruption, neopotism, cronism, cadre deployment. What about their desire to tell Africa how to manage its affairs when they cannot even provide the most basic services like education, health, police and municipal services in SA. This is what we the ordinary citizen know about the ANC, why don't you be a bit more precise and explain what you really know about the ANC?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-02 05:49

      If you have been following Max du Preez's writings, you would have realised how he has been telling it like is for years. He was even fired by the ANC controlled SABC from the Show Special Assignment when its investigations and revelations became too embarrassing for the ANC. But because he is a cool head who can distinguish fact from fiction, hotheads don't like him as they prefer people who fabricate and exaggerate facts relating to, amongst others, die swart gevaar, genocide and a whole lot of other hogwash which does not exist except as figments of imaginations which result in the shenigans of the likes of the Boeremamparas, giving people high bllod pressures and unnecessary heart attacks. Let me pause and take a breath

      Mike - 2012-08-02 07:30

      Thats exactly my point Themba. For someone who has been "telling it as it is" for so long he should surely by now be getting it right? When it comes to the ANC government it is just about impossible to exaggerate the facts as they just about beyond belief.

  • tony.dakyns - 2012-08-02 06:16

    This is exactly the kind of statements made in Zimbabwe and also exactly the same reaction from people who didn't want to face the reality of what was happening. People are looking for reassurances that in the face of what they see its not anything to be worried about. What is happening to our farmers is of real concern as South African farming has become one of the most dangerous occupations in the world. Apart from the deplorable loss of life our food production is at risk. This is not like Zimbabwe where the urban population has rural roots and can go 'home' to grow food.

  • liyaaqat.james - 2012-08-02 06:22

    I must really say many of the people who comment on the Max article on new24. They are not white commercial farmers u are sitting in your high walls suburban houses in Joburg and Cape Town or where ever u are. Not even the black commentors know white farmers. I must say as a black up coming farmer we have greate working relationship with, wit afrikaner boere en engelse boere and many of them are not even racist as u city dwelers i all u people out there are ones who make things worse, not even the ANC is racist as u people are. Yes i am a south african, i up and alive, many of you sound as if u want civil war in SA please stop this nonsence both Black and White city dwelers . I LIVE IN DE KAROO AND I AM BLACK.

  • Vince.York - 2012-08-02 06:25

    Max, the WORLD knows now that they are liars and thieves and the only time they talk bravado and display some moral fibre, is after they have stolen enough that they can fill their bellies for life and no longer have to steal, except for the pleasure of it and then they concentrate on denying everything.

      philani.gumbi.75 - 2012-08-02 07:54

      jst lyk de klerk is doing nw wth his so called de klerk foundation and next wl b a zille foundation

  • malusi - 2012-08-02 06:26

    The farms in south africa are a cesspool of racism. Most racists are linked to farming. Even the whole idea of reporting farm murders has racist undertones. How can we trust these people with our food source when they clearly do not want us here. Who knows what they are planning to do with our food every time they panic. Having these guys as our farmers is a food security threat. The face of farmers needs to change.

      Charmaine Hasell - 2012-08-02 07:22

      Are you a white farmer then Malusi?

      charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-02 07:28

      You sound like robert mugabe but you don't want to come out and say it outright, they don't just feed africans they feed whites and coulerds and and and, you might not believe this because of all the propaganda that has been fed to you but most white people don't stay on farms so if they do something to the food we also die or whateva

      luke.dekoker - 2012-08-02 09:28

      malusi, are you referring to your strategy of farming? i.e. a farm with two processing facilities (1) the mieliepap one for you and your cardes and (2) the contaminated one for the rest of South Africans..

  • liyaaqat.james - 2012-08-02 06:28

    I must really say many of the people who comment on the Max article on new24. They are not white commercial farmers u are sitting in your high walls suburban houses in Joburg and Cape Town or where ever u are. Not even the black commentors know white farmers. I must say as a black up coming farmer we have greate working relationship with, wit afrikaner boere en engelse boere and many of them are not even racist as u city dwelers i all u people out there are ones who make things worse, not even the ANC is racist as u people are. Yes i am a south african, i up and alive, many of you sound as if u want civil war in SA please stop this nonsence both Black and White city dwelers . I LIVE IN DE KAROO AND I AM BLACK.

  • gerhard.dutoit.374 - 2012-08-02 06:36

    Du Preez, you are asleep you freaking idiot!

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-02 06:45

    So if I go buy a farm today then I have stolen it because I'm white? Comrade logic. If a black guy gets given a farm then its legitimate. This is the sort of nonsense that will destroy farming in SA. Anyone know how many black owned farms are productive? Zim is a good example. From being the jewel and bread basket of Africa to bankruptcy and starvation.

      tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-02 07:19

      so your tryng to tell me all our whites boeties with farms thy bought them @ the rightfull owners huh???

      nhlakaniphog1 - 2012-08-02 07:31

      Ask him Tebo not every farm owned by white farmers were bought, in some black families were forceful removed by then apartheid regime. How old are you Douglas?

      charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-02 07:31

      Yes they bought them I know in some places africans was removed but they were not given it for free

      ntloko.yamazizi - 2012-08-02 07:51

      Douglas so u r saying black ppl can't do farming.I wonder who is working in those farm.some times I fail to understand when ppl say black ppl r lazy but they have them working for them

  • Spiral - 2012-08-02 06:46

    The ANC don't know the ANC.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-08-02 06:55

    \They must chill a bit… the Constitution cannot be changed anymore.\ Max with all due respect who are you to tell us what can or cannot be done with the constitution, don't give people false hope!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-02 07:28

      Max is right, the Constitution can be changed only if those who want to change it obtain a 75 % majority in Parliament. The ANC first had just over 66% when it came to power in 1994. It is now sitting at around 62% after the last general elections. Thanks to Julius and Zuma, they'll be very lucky to even get 60%. Having said that, how do you see the ANC leaping from where they are to 75%?.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-08-02 07:42

      Point of correction, you need 2/3 majority which is 66.6%. It doesn't mean that ANC can only do it by gaining such votes, have u ever thought of a scenario where some opposition parties vote in favour of such

      yolanda.zwenimanyakanyaka - 2012-08-02 08:22

      Its mad ppl like this lerato that support madness of the ruling party. Big up max,akhonto bazoyenza tu kwiconstitution yomzantsi we're tired of these ppl

      ntloko.yamazizi - 2012-08-02 08:38

      Brainwashed by DA

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-02 08:52

      Lerato you are right, 66,6 is what they need. Regarding your second question, my answer is no. The Constitution is the only safeguard we have to prevent the tyranny of the majority. Therefore, I don't see the opposition voting for that. I suspect the ANC knows it,or they have found out already perhaps after some background lobbying, or they would have tried their luck on the property clause already don't you think?

  • ben.rootman.3 - 2012-08-02 06:56

    Well said Max - sanity will always prevail.

  • julian.knight.7 - 2012-08-02 07:23

    Lest we forget Piet Retief!

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-02 07:30

    farmers should just help our black folks here thrz still so much land to be still utilised @ its full potential in south africa. Blacks want to be farmers this days so lets help each other and stop arguing. We all knw our politicaly system sucks, we all knw you hate malema, its old story, what we all been doing here its gettng us nowhere, facts are some land yes has been stolen by some farmers, some land white farmers are the rightfull owners. We need solution rather than a bunch of hungry blackies and a bunch of boers pointing fingers, blive you me as young as i am. I see no diffrnt in all of you and this gorvmnt.

      charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-02 07:49

      Amen! I agree I heared that the state owns al of un used farmland why can't they start by making more places were people can learn how to farm and then give that land at a intrest free loan to south africans to farm on it

  • toddler.ras - 2012-08-02 07:31

    That's the way to go...News24 readers must also understand the ANC

  • nompumelelo.madonda - 2012-08-02 07:37

    In an ideal RSA, what Max is saying may perhaps be true BUT from what I have read from legislation, seen in practice\r\n and heard is COMPLETELY different hence I do not agree with the advice for farmers to\chill\. Caution, safety, and everything to protect yourself... The law works for those favoured by the loud or strong and whoever is perceived an ideal target to be exploited (irrespective of the skin colour) is just exploited. Let us learn from our neighbours, Zim

  • tebo.w.ganyani - 2012-08-02 07:45

    this issue of earning r2300 @ a farm where u worked for more than 10years doesnt go down with me well. Irrespective of freebees that comes with it... If one farmer can tell me he still give his 16year old that sum for a month ,myb would b justified... So how do u give a father of a family those peanuts after all this years of work??? Thats exploitation, i have nothing against boers but little respect of how they view blacks in general.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-08-02 07:47

    Here's the deal, all farmers who bought their farms get to keep them and all those who got them for free from the previous illegitimate regime get to hand them back for redistribution. How's that comrades???

      ntloko.yamazizi - 2012-08-02 08:03

      No all those ppl who were forced to lv their land must get it for free.u bought a stolen property face da consequence give da land back

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-08-02 08:05

      That would be great. Unless i am stupid, of which i know i am naive about certain things...my understanding is that when we talk of land reforms, we talking about two things basically. There is a land on which people were evicted forcefully and without compensation. This was done by the apartheid government and the land was either leased to white farmers or was sold outwright or was used as militery bases,hospital, industrial area etc. Now people are claiming it back. Secondly i believe there was land that was unoccupied prio to colonialism which fell in the hands of settlers or the local tribes were driven away from it, this land may have fallen in the hands of the powerful elite during that period,which then might have sold it to the banks or something wich then sold it to the farmers. So in this instance i would say if you possess more than three farms and you have willingly sold one to the designated groups, you must be exempt from further claims. So this with deep insight on this matter must please explain it to me. I would love to understand it. Please no insults or allegations of political affiliations.

      charmaine.hasell - 2012-08-02 09:29

      Thobile, there are also other examples, like land that was given over by chiefs, as gratitude for help during the Boer war etc. Do those deals still count in the new SA I wonder? Are the decisions of those ancient leaders being respected by their descendants today? Or are they being swept under the carpet, since now the potential of the land has become apparent. Not to mention the poor SAN people and their lot...\r\n\r\nEvery race has those that are fair or unfair, racist or non-racist, issues that are deliberately forgotten or embellished. We all have a different version of events, both in history and in the present. It's not really only about getting back \stolen land\ is it? It's also about grabbing successful entities already developed and equipped, isn't it?\r\n\r\nPropaganda is the order of the day, with greed and want being all that prevails. So much history but so difficult to distinguish fiction from fact. If only we could realise we are dependent on each other.\r\n\r\nThe chips on the shoulders of South Africans is what weighs us down, so much so, that we are unable to see over the horizon.

  • lgwazela - 2012-08-02 08:27

    Lets not fool each other, we all are the same resistant to change. not everyone who owns a farm is farming these days, there's white farmers with farms but they not using them. and not everyone who wants land actualy has use for it. Let the past be the past what happened happened, we also complain that farmers are paying their workers peanuts but thats more than what we pay our domestic workers. With regards to education how do you measure the level of ones education by going to a universities there is alot of white people that are not educated we work with them, and funny enough you always covering for them and giving them supeervisery positions.