State of the Nation debate day 2 - As it happened

2015-02-18 13:47

Get all the highlights from the second day of State of the Nation debates.

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18 Feb 20:03

IN SUMMARY: After two fiery speeches from the DA's Mmusi Maimane and John Steenhuisen on Tuesday, ANC MPs fired back on Wednesday, calling Maimane a "broken man" who is protecting his largely white party. Just as Ebrahim Patel did on Tuesday, ANC MPs also brought up unemployment statistic in the Western Cape where DA leader Helen Zille is premier.

But DA MPs responded by questioning unemployment statistics in other provinces.

The EFF was again made to withdraw remarks in which they called Lindiwe Zulu "ginger".

In related news, National Speaker Baleka Mbete also apologised for calling EFF leader Julius Malema a cockroach, an apology he accepted.

The state security department also explained the signal jamming at last week's Sona as an "operational error".

State Security Minister David Mahlobo said: There was no executive or political decision to interfere with the free flow of information...

The session ended with Blade Nzimande giving the EFF some "revolutionary advice" [Don't start a journey and you don't know where it will end, he said]. EFF MPs accused Nzimande of making a threat with regards to their removal from Parliament last week. Nzimande eventually withdrew the remark.


18 Feb 20:03

IN SUMMARY: After two fiery speeches from the DA's Mmusi Maimane and John Steenhuisen on Tuesday, ANC MPs fired back on Wednesday, calling Maimane a "broken man" who is protecting his largely white party. Just as Ebrahim Patel did on Tuesday, ANC MPs also brought up unemployment statistic in the Western Cape where DA leader Helen Zille is premier.

But DA MPs responded by questioning unemployment statistics in other provinces.

The EFF was again made to withdraw remarks in which they called Lindiwe Zulu "ginger".

In related news, National Speaker Baleka Mbete also apologised for calling EFF leader Julius Malema a cockroach, an apology he accepted.

The state security department also explained the signal jamming at last week's Sona as an "operational error".

State Security Minister David Mahlobo said: There was no executive or political decision to interfere with the free flow of information...

The session ended with Blade Nzimande giving the EFF some "revolutionary advice" [Don't start a journey and you don't know where it will end, he said]. EFF MPs accused Nzimande of making a threat with regards to their removal from Parliament last week. Nzimande eventually withdrew the remark.


18 Feb 19:50
So tomorrow [Thursday] President Zuma responds to the debate.

18 Feb 19:49
The chair says he's no longer taking points of order, the president will respond tomorrow and the house is adjourned.

18 Feb 19:47
Nzimande, smiling, says he's more than happy to withdraw the remark.

18 Feb 19:46
Nzimande says he wasn't issuing a threat. He says it's unfortunate it was interpreted as such.

18 Feb 19:45

18 Feb 19:44
Malema, angry now, is ignoring the chairperson's request to sit down. He's threatening us, says Malema of Nzimande.

18 Feb 19:44
We will finish it, we can guarantee you now! For the next five years this is what you're going to be subjected to - Malema

18 Feb 19:43
The EFF's Godrich Gardee says Nzimande has raised a threat. Malema: I just want to tell Blade, I'm not scared of him. Neither are we scared of Zuma's administration.

18 Feb 19:42

Nzimande's "revolutionary advice" for the EFF: Don't start a journey and you don't know where it will end.


18 Feb 19:41
EFF's Gardee gets up, saying what happened wasn't a joke, also it is before court so he can't talk about it.

18 Feb 19:40
Nzimande: We fully support the actions taken by the presiding officer [at Sona last Thursday]. If there is a need to do it again, you must do it! 

18 Feb 19:40
Nzimande asks Maimane about what he terms the alliance between the DA and EFF which has led to the "hooliganisation" of the DA.

18 Feb 19:39
Nzimande jokes and says Shivambu completed his masters degree even though he took 10 years. Shivambu laughs.

18 Feb 19:38
The DA is anti-majoritarian. They want to take down majority rule - Nzimande

18 Feb 19:36
In response to criticism about Mbete being the national speaker, Nzimande says: The majority shall elect a speaker in this house!

18 Feb 19:35
Nzimande says all the attacks on the government form part of a racist narrative - that black people can't rule.

18 Feb 19:34
Nzimande says we must just analyse what is going on in Parliament at the moment, he says it's an attack on majority rule.

18 Feb 19:32
Nzimande says we have been opening a school a week in the Eastern Cape, and building many new universities.

18 Feb 19:31
Nzimande speaks of construction at new universities.

18 Feb 19:30
Nzimande: ANC government is a victim of its own successors.

18 Feb 19:29
Nzimande jokes saying DA in black, he thought it was the filming of another Dracula movie.

18 Feb 19:28
Nzimande: It was crucial for the President to talk about education infrastructure.

18 Feb 19:27
Never again wear black in the house unless you're grieving for the end of white minority rule, says Nzimande to the DA.

18 Feb 19:26
Again the matter of unemployment in the Western Cape comes up. Nzimande accuses the DA of trying to manipulate statistics.

18 Feb 19:25
Nzimande says suggestions that ANC wants to destroy/break Parliament is ludicrous.

18 Feb 19:25

18 Feb 19:24
Nzimande jokingly begs Zuma never to calls ministers for a meeting at 04:00 like Bandlindlela did when she was Eastern Cape premier.

18 Feb 19:22
Chair has ordered members to stop rising on frivolous points of order.

18 Feb 19:22
Nzimande points out the DA's benches in Parliament are mostly white.

18 Feb 19:21
Ndlozi stands to make a joke about Nzimande's height.

18 Feb 19:20
I don't want to waste my oxygen on Agang... - Nzimande

18 Feb 19:20
There is no quality in their arguments. It's all just personal attacks on the President - Nzimande

18 Feb 19:18
I want to say to the president we have a problem. We have an opposition but there's no honour in this party - Nzimande

18 Feb 19:17

Nzimande start his speech by reading Helen Zille's Thank You Letter to the Guptas for their donation to the DA.

And this gets many, many cheers in the house...


18 Feb 19:16
And last on the agenda is Higher Education and Training Minister Blade Nzimande. He's up for 20 minutes.

18 Feb 19:16

Waters questions debates that SANDF can be brought into Parliament, says we have moved to a police state in just 1 week.

We also saw that MPs [pictures] were used as target practice by police who went into Parliament, says Water. He was one of them.


18 Feb 19:14

Waters on load shedding says MP's are out of touch if they don't think it is a crisis.

He also says Brown [minister of public enterprises] did great spin on load shedding but if she did such a good job on it, why did Zuma take responsibility of it away from her and give it to the deputy president?


18 Feb 19:13
Waters hit's out on Minister Ebrahim Patel's Job stats of yesterday. He disputes that Western Cape has highest unemployment rate.

18 Feb 19:11
Waters on foreign land ownership ban: All foreigners contribute to the economy.The Freedom Charter says the land belongs to all who work it.

18 Feb 19:10
Now it's the turn of the DA's Mike Waters. He responds to Matete's defence of the apparent security features at Nkandla. Is the firepool a security feature, he asks. Or the chicken run?

18 Feb 19:09
Mateme's time is up. Mangosuthu Buthelezi isn't happy about all the noise in the house. "Members can heckle but not howling... not howling!"

18 Feb 19:08
State Security: The minister responsible for State Security was also taken aback [by the signal jamming].

18 Feb 19:07
Mateme says once it's been researched how much Zuma owes for Nkandla then he will pay.

18 Feb 19:06
Mateme says there may be features at Nkandla that may not have been for security measures.

18 Feb 19:05
Mateme: I think the pay back the money campaign of the EFF must be unpacked and be seen for what it is.

18 Feb 19:04
ANC Chief Whip of the NCOP on the podium says they were surprised to hear the word sies. Referring to Van Damme yesterday.

18 Feb 19:03

The Sona event was rated major based on intelligence reported prior to the event which was unprecedented - Mahlobo

Hence the scrambling device.


18 Feb 19:02
ANC MP speaks of Zuma being cannonised... 

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