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Land reform debate needed: Mulder

2012-06-07 13:47

Cape Town - The debate on land reform should be opened up to provide some certainty to commercial farmers who are thinking about fleeing the country, Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder said on Thursday.

"Commercial farmers are uncertain about their future. Fifteen years ago there were 60 000 farmers, but now there are only 37 000 farmers. There are 24 African countries asking for our farmers," he said.

Land reform was a very emotional issue but had to be discussed by a cross-section of the population to evoke debate and find workable solutions.

Shutting down debate because it was a sensitive issue, he said, would say a lot about the state of the government.

Historical claim

Mulder - who serves as deputy agriculture minister - was speaking at a breakfast hosted by the Cape Town Press Club.

In a debate on President Jacob Zuma's State of the Nation Address in February, Mulder was shut down for saying that black "Bantu-speaking" people had no historical claim to land in SA.

Zuma reprimanded him for his "careless and callous manner" of approaching the land issue.

"That is why we have been very careful on this matter, and I don't think we should provoke emotions in this country. We shouldn't. It's wrong, it's not good leadership, no matter what your constituents may think," Zuma had said of Mulder.

Mulder acknowledged government's introduction of a green paper on land reform but said people should be free to voice their opinion.

Land does not guarantee wealth


His opinion was that he had seen many black farmers who had been given land and were extremely successful; he had also seen those who had not been as lucky, proving that "land alone does not guarantee wealth".

The views on land reform, however, would continue to be inextricably linked to the perceptions and values of those with a voice.

Mulder said putting food security on the agenda would make the debate more balanced "because if we don't produce food, we're in trouble".

According to Mulder, 30% of productive, arable land had been "lost" since 1994, mostly due to failed land restitution.

"...That is a big worry because we can't continue this...[having a situation] of less farmers and more people to feed."

Comments
  • TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-06-07 13:58

    I cannot blame our farmers for leaving... I would do the same! They don't know if they will be killed tomorrow or the day after... This is the ANC's fault! They are going to cause their own voters to starve :(

      Sean - 2012-06-07 14:22

      Sganja- I`ll give you my land , within 2 years the land will be of no use !!! Imbecile

      MSGRule - 2012-06-07 14:30

      Brain dead 1 and 2 wishing for things they know nothing about.

      david.lebethe - 2012-06-07 14:33

      Personally, I respect the decision of those who want to opt out and leave the country. It is their choice and must be respected. I dont think we should be held at ransom for people who want to exercise their inalienable right. We live in a democratic country now and if there are those who feel they had enough and want out, let them do so. We now belong in a global village and am sure we can afford commodities that are in short supply. It doesn't mean when there are boers who want to leave, the country will therefore collapse and there will be hunger in the country. And much against a "popular believe" among whites, there are those such as Van Abo who emigrated from this shores in pursuit of greener pastures only to return without a penny. I am sure there are many of such stories and which make many protangonists and apologists to eat a humble pie. White people are just posturing by saying they want to leave - this country is too beautiful and offer so much to just abandon like that. Otherwise, how does one explain so much resistance from people who claim their allegiance elsewhere?

      Michaele - 2012-06-07 14:40

      @ Sean, I agree totally with you. Giving land away is not the only issue, the main issue is who is going to productively work that land. Most of the younger farmers today study at university in order to obtain a full understanding of not only farming but human relations, finance etc. We cannot afford to let the farms be put into the hands of people who don't have a kokking clue as to what large scale, sustainable, profitable farming entails. Give the land grabbers a 50 acre peice of land on a government purchased farm and monitor them for 5 years and see the result. Probably mielies for the immediate family for a few months only!! Apologies but I disagree with "just giving" away land because apparrantly my deceased great great grandfather had a hut near the river 200years ago.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-06-07 15:00

      All you "revolutionists" should learn a thing or two before talking your bs here...Zim used to export maize to SA and Zambia, Mugabe kicked the white farmers out, many of the white farmers went to Zambia, today Zambia exports maize to Zimbabwe...see the irony? take a look: http://www.ibotswana.co.bw/news/business/item/13585-zambia-strikes-corn-deal-with-zim.html

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-07 15:18

      @David I couldn’t agree with you more!!! It’s funny how this bunch always threaten to leave, and always with the same rhetoric that we will starve if they leave. We have had enough of this bul@#$t if you want to leave this is your opportunity, you are in demand elsewhere go use your life saving tactics there, you are not appreciated here. If you hear these bunch talking about farming you will think its rocket science. We don’t need double standards don’t come up with empty threats just leave NOW. Stop telling us what happened in Zim, why do you care? Just take your opportunity and leave don't care about us we are covered!!

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-06-07 15:26

      Lerato...really? You're covered? By what, who? You have to be some kind of a "super intelligence" maybe, because all evidence of the type of land reform in Africa you are thinking of to date disagrees with you. I guess it’s true what they say, if you can’t or don’t learn from others mistakes then you have to learn from your own…

      Omo - 2012-06-07 15:32

      "24 African countries asking for our farmers" Really? Please name them! I thought your farmers were going to georgia? Please Mulder don't brag.Southern Africa is the only area in Africa where white farmers are dominant. In west Africa ,we feed ourselves and run our own farms.We have been doing that for centuries.Nigeria alone has a population of 167 million ,who do you think feeds Nigeria?Boers? Get you head out of your behind! You guys brag about being "supersonic' farmers but you don't even plant half the crops we plant in West Africa. Do you farm Yam,Cassava,Plantain,Cocoyam,Palm Kernel,Garden Eggs,Cocoa,Ogbono,Ewedu e.t.c I bet you don't but you claim to be the best farmers in the world,what hogwash from a bunch of ignorant people.The only thing you guys plant is maize ,beans,potatoes and a few fruits.To makes things worse the food you guys (boers) produce have no flavour because they are all unorganic.All the seeds you buy have been genetically modified to satisfy your greed and that of western coporations. You produce artificial food at the expense of the masses.The masses are slowly been poisoned with all these GMO crops.You will hardly find GMO crops or poultry in west Africa,we use natural seeds and produce natural crops.That is why i only shop for raw staples at yeoville market because the people who sell there sell real organic crops and staples which are imported from other African countries not the fake woolworth organic foods which cost an arm and a leg.

      Heinrich - 2012-06-07 16:04

      @david.lebethe: Quick question, how will anyone in the country afford to import anything if we don't export in order to get money. If the country does not produce anything that can be exported then no money will come into the country for you to buy those items that is in short supply. So please think for yourself and tell me when, not if but when, this happens how will you import any of those items in short supply without sufficient trading value?

      Tax - 2012-06-07 16:07

      Foreign aid feeds western Africa.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-06-07 16:11

      @ omanaija One question. If its so awesomely GREAT in Nigeria, WTF are you doing here in SA!? Dipstick

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-07 16:24

      @schalk.mattheys We can ask the same questions to all those we are leaving bunch!! If SA is so screwed up and there is Boer genocide them what are you still doing here one wonders. The fact that other countries are not doing well its got nothing to do with ours, UK is in recession and we are not, so what? Just go and let us starve then. Your arrogance stinks who gave you the idea that we can't feed ourselves - let us starve there. Go where you are needed, you are in demand!

      Andrew - 2012-06-07 17:45

      Lerato, England's in recession and have 6% unemployment. SA hasn't been hit to hard by the recession and we have 25% unemployment. Bad argument. So you want us to leave. If we all leave, then what. That means all the companies close down, money is worth nothing, no water and electricity, let's say if a million people leave that means that a million bread doesn't get bought every day. Just one example of we're jobs will be lost. Think a little

      omonaija - 2012-06-09 17:46

      schalk.mattheys..If SA is so heavenly what are theover 13,000 South Africans living in Nigeria doing there webcxnt!

  • Gary - 2012-06-07 13:59

    Just ask Nando's

      Antipoaching - 2012-06-07 15:30

      hmmm I see the trolls didnt like me pointing out that the true "owners"of SA land are the Khoi-San, they reported my comments and got them deleted... Doesnt change the fact trolls..... The Khoi-San OWN the Motherland :-) and all the Xhosa, Zulu, Sotho, Indian, Chinese and Whiteys etc are just SETTLERS.... I love it "Xhosa's cry: "give back our land!" Khoi-San answers: "Hey bru your ancestors only came here 400 years ago, now piss off back to Nigeria"

  • pmalungana - 2012-06-07 14:01

    I agree with the minister, to simple shut down the debate on land reforms is irresponsible on the part of the government. No matter how sensitive this may be we still need to debate as a nation and have a solution in order to create certainity. There is a section of our population that feels like we fought for land and governmnet has been lagging on distributing, whilst on the other hand white farmers feel that the government has sufficient land at its disposal to distribute to the landless. We need to adopt a responsible position before we end up with a situation which we cannot control.Legislations should not be imposed without proper consultation with all stake holders.Race aside

      Dee - 2012-06-07 14:29

      Yes. Debate and creative solutions are long overdue. I wonder where we can see a copy of the 'Green Paper'? And any proposals submitted by Agriforum. I think tihs should all be put into the public domain to find 'Win Win' solutions.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-07 14:38

      Agreed - that would be the logical way to go about this. Unfortunately I do not believe the ANC has a logical / reasonable approach to anything.

      Dee - 2012-06-07 16:48

      Neil ... as a starting point in the debate - there surely has got to be some credit given for : 1. Look at who sits as deputy minister of agriculture (he doesn't actually qualify for my vote of confidence - but represents a "spirit of openess?) 2. Feeding the nation does permeate the thinking vs merely irresponsible score political points as per ANCYL utterances 3. Repeated statements AGAINST land grabs. And if 'agricultural transformation' has failed in past 18yrs - then it sure does warrant entering the debate. I wonder how much agricultural science etc etc relevant skills are being taught in educational institutions. Do you know?

  • Andre - 2012-06-07 14:01

    There is nothing to talk about other than for us to tell the ANC to stop pandering to the unemployed masses and make empty promises to gain their vote.Leave the land alone so the farmers can feed the nation.The ANC must now start governing the country to prevent an implosion.

      MSGRule - 2012-06-07 14:29

      The land belongs to all not just a certain part.

      Kuba Silkiewicz - 2012-06-07 14:43

      @Gigo - Prove that its your belongings and we can talk. Not stories ur grandpa told u, actual evidence on paper that its rightfully yours. Taking land from people on any grounds other than proven rightful ownership is theft. that the government wants to condone it just means that the government is an organised crime syndicate.... but then we already know that.

  • pmalungana - 2012-06-07 14:15

    The ANC has already taken a position that they do not want to engage with the ANCYL on the land issue. I feel that the ANCYL is part of the ANC and they should find each other on how to adress issues of national interests instead of creating another circus.The secretary should either disown the ANCYL as the child of the ANC if they do not want to have anything to do with.On the other hand White South Africans should be certain about their future of their investment in as far as the land question is concerned. I have seen workers losing jobs others being displaced in other parts of the country every time a land is sold to black farmers who have no exprienc at all on how to do commercial farming. If we educate and equip people with knowledge and skills in this field we will save the nation form anarchy. We should not distribute land for the sake of distributing it, do so in a responsible manner. I would like to own one farm but I do not know how to do it, so why take a farm from those who feed the nation.

      Dee - 2012-06-07 14:36

      I have posted elsewhere some alternatives to the "Sell / Give Land or Be Damned" argument. e.g. A model in China where communities / kibbutz type groups are subsidised to take government owned land - but have to prove the necessary integrated business plan and electrical, plumbing, farming, accounting etc etc skills needed to produce & nbe sustainable. And - rather than just an option to sell land, why not incentivise existing farmers to do "Shareholder & Training development" schemes - leading to more joint ownership and less "Baas - Worker" paradigms. (I think there are success stories with fruit farms in Cape?)

  • Michele - 2012-06-07 14:18

    the biggest land owner is Govt, leave the farmers alone because they feed the country. What about all these local chiefs , we are in the 21st century and we are still dealing with a feudal system ! I say take the massive tracts of land away from these local chiefs and give it to the people that are subjucated to him.

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-06-07 14:25

      Sganja - Your cheifs can rot in hell if they have supporters like you troll..

      Sean - 2012-06-07 14:26

      Michele- Don`t forget , we are dealing with from the most uneducated people in Africa !

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-06-07 14:44

      sganja, then don't touch our farmers!

  • Ditantane - 2012-06-07 14:20

    the ANCYL did a good job i see.

  • gembleton1 - 2012-06-07 14:23

    The comment amaze me here, can the “people of South Africa" be so dumb that they cannot see what happened north of us, now north of us are asking for the "White" farmers to come and farm in their country, because land reform or land grabbing whatever you want to call it douse not work, and the masses start to starve. I have spent some time in the rural areas and there is a lot of land out there available , however the "people" of South Africa don’t want to live in the rural centres they want to live near the cities and get everything for nothing and by thinking that if we take the land first we will farm later douse not work ,ask the people that are now deeper in poverty in the Richterfield of the Northern Cape (Zimbabwe , Zambia, Mozambique and Angola) just to name a few. Are they better off now than before the white farmers left?

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-07 14:45

      They do not want to know. They have a vision but that's about it. The vision is sitting on the veranda of their new land grab farm and being wealthy as a result. No idea of how farms work. And who will be the labour since they're all going to be farmers? What a laugh.

  • Deon - 2012-06-07 14:25

    News 24, You left out the percentage of SA that Mulder was speaking about. As far as I remember he spoke about 40% of the country. Most people know the Khoi was first in many parts of the Southern regions, but was driven out.

      Sean - 2012-06-07 14:29

      Selective history !! Whatever suits the ANC !!

  • James - 2012-06-07 14:34

    Yes, they should all leave, then these idiots can starve! Because it has been proven that they are lazy and useless, so they will just sit on the farms (which they have "taken") and after all the assest have been sold off for booze, they will starve!

      Sean - 2012-06-07 14:37

      James , those that can will leave , but many can`t , it`s a pitty !!

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-06-07 14:43

      that includes me and you as well, think europe will take 4 + million "europeans" just like this, you cant displace a nation, and we shouldn't talk about it. i say they want us out, make us. otherwise STFU! We were born here just like today's generation, i didn't get a destination update when i was still in the womb, and i wouldn't have chosen another country.

      Tax - 2012-06-07 15:01

      I will eat popcorn and cheer with delight when I see them begging the white man for food.

  • Alan - 2012-06-07 14:39

    The fact is before whites arrived in south africa the land was not really being farmed anyway. There were a few cattle wandering around and a patch of wild spinach. So the white farmer (with his own money) builds dams, puts up fences,installs irrigation systems, builds sheds, roads, accomadation and now they land is to be taken back? Good luck. a 100 hectare farm that employs 100 people and feeds thousands will become a subsistance plot of 30 farms feeding 200 people and employing 50. The kids will not go to school they will remain subsistance farmers for the rest if time and we will all be paying 10 times more for our groceries every week. Good plan.

  • Renard De Souza - 2012-06-07 14:39

    Proper clowns, spoilt brat wants its land back what about 3,4,5,6. Generation white people who also need land we didn't ask to be born here but we did are we not African too?

  • Ally Adonis - 2012-06-07 14:41

    This is a total joke, not only do we find Eskom just about powerless, our country has a vision of being featherless and loosing our ultimate claim to fame for biltong supremacy... These farmers have contributedly greatly to the agriculture of this country.

  • Rob - 2012-06-07 14:41

    Dr Mulder: In order to have a clearer idea of the significance of the reduction of commercial farmers it would be more useful to compare the acreage farmed by whites. I believe that a significant contribution has been the consolidation of smaller farms into larger operations. Before anyone thumbs down, I am not saying that Dr Mulder does not have a valid point, only that his credibility would be increased if he stopped massaging stats to suite his rhetoric.

  • Alan - 2012-06-07 14:55

    Land does make one wealthy without the skills to harness it's value. An non farmer with land will be as poor as they were before. Land by itself does not mean wealth. The wealthest countries in the world like for example Japan have almost no land. They have acheived wealth throug education and hard work. Something seriously lacking in AFRICA.

  • farmfreund - 2012-06-07 15:00

    what is troubling me, is almost the whole of Africa is receiving food aid, becuase they did exactly what the ANCYL wants to do, so i ask my self why are the African countries inviting us to come and cultivate the land in their countries, why does there first needs to be, hunger, and depression before the Africans realize that they cant cultivate the land themselves, Can any of you Black people tell me why 90 % of all black farmers failed in South Africa, dont you think it is a lack of know-how, Why first destroy a country and then try to rebuild it, it is easier to mantain and build on strucktures in place then to start from nothing, look at Zimbabwe it will take 200 years of good governance to rebuild what they destroyed in 10 years, this does not happen overnight, Tell Me black Friends dont you rather want to live in peace and get married have some children offer them a good chance in a stable country that can produce food and is economicly stable, just think about it where will you go if this turns into Zimbabwe , we are One of the last African counties with some kind of security, Where to will you run, your kids will blame you not the whites, they will say you had a good country and you destroyed it because you where a fool, No man think for yourselves, Build a better South Africa we all know that the supremacy was wrong but this can not be corected with a wrong, so for the shake of our nations black and white children, lets secure a them at least a chance.

  • Gavin - 2012-06-07 15:01

    food security is like breathing air, if you don't have it - you are dead. the land grabbers seem to think that if you give them the land, the cows will milk themselves and the harvests will plant and reap themselves. if you want it - BUY IT. took me nearly 40 years to earn enough money to buy a house, will probably take me another 40 years to pay the damn thing off. if you come over my wall to take my house, I will kill you.

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-07 15:08

    First the government needs to be honest. It’s not land they want to give their votas, it’s white owned commercial farms. Farms that White people took many years to grow and develop into a viable business. History shows us that this doesn’t work, and the farms very quickly become unproductive, and the ‘business’ folds. We then have votas squatting on the land, and no one has gained a damn thing because they could have been squatting on any piece of land. The end is we all lose something that is vital to the economy and to the provision of food. It’s not clever, it doesn’t work, so why the hell must we go down the same God forsaken road to nowhere. It really is the height of human stupidity not to learn from mistakes already made.

      schalk.mattheys - 2012-06-07 15:33

      because....T I A, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, we will just have to wait about 25 years for this to happen... http://www.ibotswana.co.bw/news/business/item/13585-zambia-strikes-corn-deal-with-zim.html

  • katleho.mdlalose - 2012-06-07 15:12

    @alan, you are avoiding the issue as to WHY willing buyer willing seller doesn't work. Stop ALWAYS looking to blame the ANC. Accept some blame as well. The problems of this country is a result of black peopele AND white people.

      Andrew - 2012-06-07 17:28

      There is some truth in that. As citizens we should be talking and learning from each other. However, the ANC is to blame as they've done nothing for transformation. Education is a failure which in my view should have been the main focus 18 years ago. There programs for creating farmers has failed

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-07 15:25

    According to Mulder there are 24 African countries asking for our farmers! That’s great news this is a globalised world I suggest the farmers must grab this opportunity and vamoose. Since there are forever complaining about the crime, bad governance and how SA is going to the dogs it will be good if they leave now before we actually get to the dogs. One thing for sure you won’t be missed, good luck!! Hope you not coming back – oh remember there is farmer genocide in SA so our dear farmers run for your lives how can you live with all these barbarians

  • Nyiks11 - 2012-06-07 15:39

    and now Ronald Lamola is complaining about the length of time it takes(him) to get a white girlfriend

  • mlungisi.crush - 2012-06-07 15:47

    Can Malema and Lamola(lemon) make a defference btwn a FRIESLAND Cattle to a JERSY, TURKEY to a CHICKEN,DAIRY to BUTCHERY!!!!!!

      Nyiks11 - 2012-06-07 16:01

      Mlu , nama ke nama boss

  • dncongwane1 - 2012-06-07 15:57

    Mudler give back the land then we will talk... Becoz if you don't bring it back on your own so that we can talk, then you might talk while you are in Holland

      Andrew - 2012-06-07 17:17

      Again. What?

      Keith - 2012-06-07 17:42

      Double What? This doesn't make sense to me. The piece that I think I understand is the sentence "....give back (?) the land and we'll talk." But give it back to whom? Who owned it before, and don't just say 'we africans'. And don't forget that Lesotho could lay claim to vast areas of South Africa, areas that did not originally belong to South Africa. Also it is a bit silly to say 'give me the land and then we'll discuss whether we should give you the land.'

      dncongwane1 - 2012-06-08 22:45

      Ok Keith

  • dncongwane1 - 2012-06-07 16:03

    Land does not guarantee wealth...\r\nOk but give it back then becoz its not worth it...\r\nIn land does not guarantee wealth, where is wealth situated???? Where are the minerals found??? \r\nWhy did you take it if does not guarantee wealth????

      Heinrich - 2012-06-07 16:18

      Yes land does not guarantee wealth. If there are minerals you need to get off your @ss and mine it properly and in a cost effective manner. If a piece of land lies there without being farmed it is worth nothing as it does not generate an income. Obviously you did not think before you said anything. In retrospect I think he needed to put the statement into the correct context by changing it slightly. "Land does not guarantee wealth. It is the effort, ingenuity, knowledge and perseverance that guarantees wealth". Land on its own just sits there and does nothing for you. Wealth is not situated anywhere. Wealth is generated.

      Andrew - 2012-06-07 17:16

      And, what you don't understand is that 90% of earnings from your land has to go back onto your land in ways of fertilizers and seed and tractors and repairs and and and. Get it?

      dncongwane1 - 2012-06-08 16:22

      Ok! but we are going to take the land anyway. And waist it- and sit on our asses with our land on our side... Don't worry we just want land, properties, industries, banks. We will take them being stupid as we are...then you will be given the chance to go back to your home. Home sweet home- Holland

  • dncongwane1 - 2012-06-07 16:14

    On government's Green Paper on Land Reform...\r\nWe don't want np Green Paper anymore... We want Green Land... Actually we don't want any of your papers, we've seen De Kleck's white paper.... Now you must know that...\r\n\r\nThe tried and tested wants the Green Paper.... And... The trying and testing wants the Green Land... Period....

      Andrew - 2012-06-07 17:13

      What was that. Did you type that with your head or your hands? Just wondering what you actually wrote.

      Keith - 2012-06-07 17:44

      Andrew, why bother?

  • Martin - 2012-06-07 16:41

    every single sa citizen should be given a piece of land, even 20m x 20m then everyone has a spot to live, flawed thought i think not. having to buy a piece of my own planet pisses me of immensely, whos idea was it anyway, take them to task on human rights abuses

      Andrew - 2012-06-07 17:11

      That's about as realistic as saying everyone must be an accountant. I would like to grow my own stuff and eat off my own land, however my neighbors would never do that.

  • mlungisi.crush - 2012-06-07 16:53

    If u have a cityzenship take care of what u have,just utalise it-if whites didn't plan on doing GAME RESERVES we were going to hunt and kill all those Animals tht are there! We were going to end up with nothing, if u want Farming SA is very big,get yourself a place- don't touch others property!!!!!!!

      Werner Janse Van Rensburg - 2012-06-08 06:21

      Gentlemen. This race war that you are keeping alive is what is ACTUALLY holding our country back! You constantly stare yourself blind at the differences between our racial lines,but do not even consider what we have in common! The racial aspect is what the poloticians use to gain votes and ALL of the different races that grace this beautifull country continue to fall for it! We are fighters, we are survivours! Each and every individual within our countries borders! We need to join hands and better our country as a whole,not only our economic stance in the world, but also the quality of character in each person! The enemy is NOT within our borders,NOT next to us! Stop whining about the injustice and blaming everyone else! What steps have you taken to stop corruption? What measures have you taken to ensure a bright future for our children? What have you done to RAISE UP the person next to you instead of blaming race and trying to be and teach others to be productive contributors to our country? I'm ashamed to see such narrow minded comments comming from my fellow South Africans and if we carry on with this racial mud slinging we wil quickly turn into South Afri-Can'ts!!! Let's rise above our circomstances and create something we can be proud of! Instead of sullying our names with petty squables in the name of some higher cause!

      mlungisi.crush - 2012-06-08 10:16

      WJ u wrote wonderfull words,people they think we don't need each other where's we do! Am not looking back but looking forward to make SA better,the things that I see is that we don't want to work together! We can beat this! We all south african,let's hope that one day we wii overcome this

  • Stlouis Heidtmann - 2012-06-07 17:03

    @kabelo you got all wrong whites everything you see thats got any worth to this country moron what did blacks bring corruption genocide over population poverty crime you brought nothing good for this country nothing wake up you idiot

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-07 17:12

    "Mulder said putting food security on the agenda would make the debate more balanced "because if we don't produce food, we're in trouble" It is only those who WANT South Africa to fail, who will disagree with this. The food security issue should form the nucleus of any land reform plan. It should be the starting point as well as the ultimate goal.

  • Sisa - 2012-06-07 17:22

    Leave the country

      Sean - 2012-06-07 19:13

      Maybe ,lucky enough to have a house overseas (not by keeping my hand open and expect to be given everything for free) , mainly because of my kids , I want them to have a future , the way the ANC is running this country , not much of a future left for any South African !!

  • Fairness - 2012-06-07 18:03

    You see, you have it wrong here. Its not about land, its about replacing the current owner. A specific type of owner, in this case a white owner who has an established producing farm. If it was about land then the replacement selection would be colourless and there is plenty for everyone especially the vast majority owned by the current government. The ancyl either does not understand what they are asking for or they are promoting racism, one of the two and nothing else. Considering that people died fighting for democracy and now to see some willing to die to bring it back is disrespectful to the highest level. I trust that your forefathers will deal with you accordingly

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-07 18:45

    Andrew we all know that and when they stuff the land up the hands will be held together in front of their tummy,s expecting help.I am so glad the current leading party thinks it rules this country thereby waking the world up to their rubbish and guess who is going to suffer.There are intelligent and civilised ways of sorting out the land issue.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-07 18:47

    Of course that fool is proud of that Bless.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-06-07 18:58

    I got a plan you want land see if you can mangage 50 hectares of productive land for 12 months,let hail beat your crops,let your own kind steal your livestock and vehicles,let them murder your family when you are out.....this is the leka one,then tell your staff you arnt able to pay them and build accomodation for them because times are hard.Would you know okes like me to go on?

  • Padurai - 2012-06-09 07:22

    Zimbabwe proves that land grabbing simply dosent work, the bread basket of Southern Africa is now the basket case living on food aid. SA will go the same way - the knob heads are simply to stupid and too lazy to farm - without the beggars bowl extended to the West they will all simply starve!

  • Seena - 2012-06-10 08:36

    the french have no historical claims to be europeans, maybe the spanish, belgians, russians the irish according to mulder they came to europe from somewhere, wake up this is africa for africans the khoisans are african people through and through, my family tree is littered with san blood for generations and have always been an african please don't confuse yourself about africans

  • Seena - 2012-06-10 08:48

    tell them brother omonaija, take the lie out of the liar and expose it, 167million african people in nigeria are feed themselves with organic food and connie mulder in his dreamland thinks africans in nameless 24 african countries are yearnig to be fed by his people

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