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Top government committee heads to Marikana

2012-08-19 22:15

Marikana - Miners must return to work on Monday or face being fired from the platinum mine where rivalry between unions exploded into violence that led to the deaths of 44 people in a week, Lonmin PLC said on Sunday.

Thirty-four were gunned down by police in one of the worst displays of state violence since apartheid ended in 1994.

President Jacob Zuma declared a week of national mourning starting on Monday to commemorate the lives of all South Africans who have died violently, especially the 44 at Marikana mine.

"The nation is in shock and pain," Zuma said in a statement. "We must this week reflect on the sanctity of human life ... We must avoid finger-pointing and recrimination. We must unite against violence from whatever quarter."

Hundreds of rock-drill operators have been leading an illegal strike among the mine's 28 000-strong labour force. Threats of violence kept many more away.

Lonmin had initially ordered miners to return to work by Friday. Then, after the shootings, changed the deadline to Monday, spokesperson Sue Vey explained.

Strikers said they were not sure what to do about the ultimatum. The company has not responded to their demands for the minimum wage to be increased from R5 500 to R12 500.

Last year, after a similar dispute over labour representation stopped work at its nearby Karee mine, Lonmin fired all 9 000 workers. Then it asked them to reapply for their jobs and most were rehired.

"Because we work as a majority, if the majority goes back to work tomorrow [Monday] I'm going too," said miner Vuyisile Mchiza.

"But if the majority is not going back to work tomorrow, I'm not going either because I won't be able to go to work while others are sitting grieving."

Memorial

More than 100 people, miners, their families and local community members, processed past the mine on Sunday singing hymns as they made their way to the dusty veld where police officers fired a barrage of shots from automatic rifles and pistols at a group of charging miners on Thursday.

A moving memorial was led by Pastor Sakhumzi Qiqimana of Marikana New Creation Ministry who told those gathered: "Now we have no power to come in the middle of the negotiations of the company and the workers, but we are here now to pray and say 'God forgive us,' and now we are here to say 'This [killing] must stop.'"

Police say one of the charging miners shot at them first with a pistol and that they acted in self-defence. Earlier in the week, the strikers had butchered two captured police officers with machetes.

Lonmin said on Saturday that it will pay for the educations of all children of mine employees killed in the unrest, up to university level.

A presidential statement on Sunday said Zuma would announce the composition of a judicial commission of inquiry into the killings and its terms of reference within a few days.

It said he had appointed a committee comprising North West Premier Thandi Modise and the ministers of mineral resources Susan Shabangu, police Nathi Mthethwa, social development Bathabile Dlamini, co-operative governance Richard Baloyi, labour Mildred Oliphant, defence and military veterans Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, health Aaron Motsoaledi, state security Siyabonga Cwele, and home affairs Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma to co-ordinate and lead all support to families and relatives.

The presidency said the committee would visit Marikana on Monday.

Many people have said they do not know whether missing husbands and sons are among the dead, among 78 wounded, or among more than 250 arrested on charges ranging from public violence to murder.

Zuma urged South Africans to "reaffirm our belief in peace, stability and order and in building a caring society free of crime and violence".



Comments
  • kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-19 22:32

    I really hope they dont sacrafice the cops under threat of Malemas politcal move!

      kevin.pitzer - 2012-08-19 22:48

      Supported theory and solution above!

      Vince.York - 2012-08-20 06:24

      this new racist anc must be so happy that they held the poisonous death bearing juju hand aloft proclaiming him not to be the thorn and now stiletto in their side. but of course they will never mutter a murmur about the far worse albeit "equally" tragic murder of many more thousands of South African farming citizens in an orchestrated mindset attitude generated by the SAME type of policy and racist hype from within their party. Unity is not a selective racist little silo, that can be manipulated and recreating racism in divisions the way this anc have done is THE TRAGEDY, culminating in juju & his ilk and now the anc & Union's milestone of Marikana.

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-08-20 06:55

      The government should be taking the lead, not following Malema, he gets there chop chop to win friends and favour.

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-20 07:26

      This is actually very good that they are attending to this. Now while you are at it, why don't you investigate farm murders as well?

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-20 07:48

      if they sacrifice the cops for votes or to appease the workers, there will be serious consequences, 1) the strikes will likely spread, 2) next time the cops will be helpless & overrun & massacred, 3) the entire mining industry will be brought to its knees, 4) 150 000 miners will be unemployed permanently , 5) foreign investment will evaporate, 6) SA will be well on its way to a failed state.

  • jack.russel.14268769 - 2012-08-19 22:34

    Almost as much as Sharpville, however I don't think Sharpville had quite as many shot in the back. I hope they find this Verwoerd guy before he causes any more trouble

      wdvilliers - 2012-08-19 22:45

      He was knifed long time ago. More than fifty years ago. Still gets blamed. South african habit - blame somone else, never, never, never accept responsibility...

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-08-19 22:59

      My word, Boeremag reunion going on

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-19 23:37

      Read the facts on Sharpville, most of those shot were shot in the back, and they were unarmed. It was also doneby ill trained, poorly lead, badly managed police, not much has changed except that the rabble at Marikana were armed.

      jack.russel.14268769 - 2012-08-20 00:14

      @wdvilliers I read that the ANC have Zombie hunters out looking for Verwoerd. Apparently, sources say that try as he may he cant find anything else to destroy, he came too late

      pieter.calitz - 2012-08-20 01:48

      @Kevin.watson. You are right mr. Watson. 19000 people only using rocks were definitely unarmed. They could not hurt a mouse with only rocks. I mean who has ever of a person being stoned to death! Yes, totally ludicrous.

  • johana.salivan - 2012-08-19 22:35

    It would be nice to stop calling armed thugs "striking workers".

      anthonycharles.williams - 2012-08-20 05:41

      striking workers plus weapons = armed thugs. yes

  • phillemon.magooa.7 - 2012-08-19 23:01

    Every one feels bad about wat has happened there bt not as much as i do because i am a membe of SAPS in Arlington Police station (FS)

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-08-19 23:08

      You will carry this stigma for decades even if you were on leave when this masaccre occured.

      Siyabonga Masondo - 2012-08-20 00:11

      u r sick u busterd!!!

      thomas.obrian.92 - 2012-08-20 05:57

      Phillemon, I think the majority of level thinking people also feel bad at what has happened, but there can be absolutely no blame on the SAPS. You guys are there to protect life and property, including your own, and that is exactly what they did.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-08-20 07:52

      @ Siyabonga, Pillemon wasnt even there, he wasn not even involved & he is expressing regret about the incident & you respond like this, sorry but you are the one that is sick.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-19 23:08

    The police had a choice not to interfere in a labor dispute in the 1st place, they should have stayed at a distance and ensured that the unions stayed separated. Was it the striking miners or members of NUM that hacked policeman, as public are just told police were killed and therefore the massacre is justified, yet when a premier calls for aid in bringing gang wars under control the people of Cape Town are denied, even though hundreds of people have died and many more policeman killed due to the gang wars. How and why does a private company get to have an entire police brigade, plus more brought onto private property to confront workers who were only occupying a rock (for the most part peacefully). Now the ANC brings in their own cadres to cover up the dirty work of their alliance partner Casatu/NUM who have conspired consistently to keep labor cost low, negotiating salary scales that are way below inflation. The cause of this is corporate greed at the expense of South Africa's people, society and our economy. A judicial independent commission should be compiled, not a cadre deployment of politicians who have now got to cover up the chain of command that led to the inappropriate handling of this absolute mess, which is now a National tragedy and avoidable by using correct strategies over the short term allowing imbalances corrected in the long term. Our miners should be paid a living wage with profit share and it should not need union fat cats to negotiate this.

      kevin.watson.7906 - 2012-08-19 23:41

      Look at You Tube, fool the police were attacked how could they not react. Perhaps they should have let this rabble to continue murdering members of the other trade union, by staying away altogether. When you are ignorant and dumb it is difficult and having a social agenda doesn't help.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-20 01:28

      The police should not have been there,, should not have been firing rubber bullets and tear gas at them after they were dispersing. I am sorry for the police as they were brought in as bouncers, because NUM members were not willing to battle it out with the new union. As we are all made to believe. We are told that the Unions were at war, in an all out battle for supremacy, this is nonsense because if they were there would be many more dead before the fact. The reality here is far more sinister, Lonmin could not get NUM to unify the work force under the terms that their fat cat sell out leadership negotiated earlier this year, that is why a new union was formed, and that is why NUM is loosing it's members. Lonmin then used political clout to illegally have police deployed claiming deaths as a concern, which up to now have not been investigated properly. Yet Lonmin claims are believed by all, and we South African's blindly swallow this nonsense as truth. No, Kevin you are the fool, your foolishness is allowing yourself to be exploited just like those miners have been exploited. Watch the you tube footage turn off the sound, and see through the smart editing. Especially that of the British press who are making it seem as if white policeman are killing black workers, and blaming it on apartheid. Lonmin being British, carries a whack of clout and they are setting things up to make white South African's the scape goat. Wake the *&£%@-up dickwad

      takalani.prince - 2012-08-20 02:27

      Glen I wish you to live long..my eyes are filled with tears.

      thomas.obrian.92 - 2012-08-20 06:03

      Glen, don't be an idiot, this was public violence, a mob armed with dangerous weapons with intent. In such a scenario the police must be called to try and restore peace and calm, and then they get attacked two of which had been hacked to death. What the h*ll would you do in that situation, stand by and turn the other cheek?

      mike.clery - 2012-08-20 10:47

      Why were the police there? Then you didn't see the interview with the NUM representative (the day before on eTV) demanding that the police act to stop the murder of their members who were not part of this strike? From an eyewitness account pg 5 yesterday's Sunday Times: "On the frontline a large number of miners were walking and crouching along the pathway and moving away from the koppie. This may have been a distraction, as a mob of workers, armed with rocks and bricks, were seen headed towards the police - crouching low in the bushes like warriors in the middle of a war."

      kelvyn.davidson.1 - 2012-08-20 10:51

      @ Glen, I seriously doubt that you have ever been or seen or had any involvement in faring faction and Impi. when an Impi attacks/advances, there is only one goal, that is to kill. riot tactics (which this was) are simple, first negotiate, second dictate, third, control area, four, separate and disperse, this includes the use of water and tear gas, then Dye for identifying later, then stun grenades and only after this, more tear gas and then rubber bullets, then and only then and if under serious attack would deadly force be used. A labour dispute is not a forum for attack, as is a unions desire to gain ground ( unions is big money business) by manipulation the gullible masses. the first death at the hands of these poor hard done by miners was a security guard employed by the mine, this is now murder, MURDER, and the SAPS automatically are now involved, to then be met with force and 2 SAPS members hacked to death, that my dear uninformed fool, is why the SAPS were there, not protecting private enterprise, which is also allowable by law if under threat, but for the murder of others and the escalating unrest.

      glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-20 12:33

      Thomas there have been hundreds of violent protest around the country almost daily for almost an entire year, on public land on public roads, there are gang wars in Cape Town that have a body count that make Lonmin strike action a picnic in the park. A premier has called on National government for defense deployment to bring gang wars under control and this was denied. The public told it was not an option. Thomas ask yourself, why a private company was able to have an entire brigade of police deployed to private property, when a City does not get the same service from the police. Deaths during protests has not spiked this high for more than a decade. Why suddenly, especially when this particular striking group were not burning down buildings or interfering with the operational areas of the mine. For the most part, this strike action was peaceful for more than a week. While these workers were only occupying a rock. Call me an idiot if you need to, but prove to me that the miners took the first shot, on the hour of the massacre, and I would just as easily say that a cop could have accidentally slipped the first round, be it, what it may, it is what led up to the killing that needs to be investigated. To many derogative absolutely baseless and racists remarks have been geared at these workers, as if they deserved to be shot down. Because sensationalist journalism are coloring in the 'truth' aiding a possible cover of a corporate/state murder in ensure labor control.

  • mduduzi.gobeni - 2012-08-19 23:10

    Where is the logic here ????? Ten people died ok .nothing was said ,instead the focus is on police .they lost one of their own .brutality security burn to ashes \r\n\r\nHere is my take this task team and flags flying low is a front ,to take away the focus from us .come the same people I'm this task team have their own jobs so when are going to get results ???????

  • introvert.introverts - 2012-08-19 23:10

    Police commissioner says police had to use maximum force and that they acted in self-defense but an investigation has not even commenced.Does that mean the police boss already knows what happened before the truth is revealed or is she defending the police brutality?

      gngaleka - 2012-08-20 02:18

      What would you think of your boss if s/he would say to the world that my workers lost their minds, i don't know what went through them(while you were tasked by this same boss to excecute your duties) would your boss still command your respect?

  • gladstone.dyonase - 2012-08-19 23:10

    With one person who was armed and decided to shoot'em. These guys decided to murder all the 35 breadwinners. Speaking of untrained police.

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-08-19 23:14

    and what about the farm murders? don't tell me this is a race issue... SAA learnt their collective lessons on that one.

  • oneman.njilana - 2012-08-19 23:24

    Its clear that as long the black African workers continue to give support to the ruling black nationalists they won't win a single victory in the working industry. These nationalist have produced backwardness that a life of black person is valued by death. The ruling bureaucracies of ANC and South African capitalist are again showing arrogance. The ANC running a capitalist state has suppress the strike by brutality and its telling whole country to mourn trying to keep its hand clean. The bosses are putting an ultimatum on workers to return to work and they won't address the workers demands any longer. They have claim to take responsibility of funerals and support of families of killed workers so must all these die to get better treatments and half mast flag.

      Vince.York - 2012-08-20 06:55

      You and the UDF needs to see how these "Pirate Party's" have internationally scored instant 10% following from the educated youth in these countries and others. http://www.piratenpartei.de/ http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/ http://pirate-party.us/

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-08-19 23:50

    Mrs Phiyega,im sorry u hade to inherit this wild bunch from 2 imbicile predeccessors.But please dnt follow in their footsteps.

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-08-19 23:50

    Mrs Phiyega,im sorry u hade to inherit this wild bunch from 2 imbicile predeccessors.But please dnt follow in their footsteps.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-08-20 00:00

    South African's have been exploited for far to long, many if not most believing what they are told, that cheap labor is good for our economy and will attract more foreign investment. Well... wake up South Africa, the only way we as a society and nation benefit from foreign investment is when money lands up in our pockets. The more money in every body's pocket the better our economy the safer our country is, because we have more content people. The low salary that Lonmin miners are getting is a disgrace, Aurora is a disgrace. Lonmin is a British based company who like many thrive on making South African's believe they have to settle for less so that they will invest. Yet they walk away with huge profits that are ludicrous compared to what is left behind for South African people on the ground. These are corporate thugs, the likes of which we do not need here in South Africa, in bed with the ANC/Casatu Alliance, able to order a brigade of police onto private property to swag their ego and ensure that their easy cheap deal with a sell out NUM/Casatu Union suffices at all cost. At the loss of live, to security guards, police and striking workers. After Lonmin's spokesperson announced on National television that the workers were gangster thug unions fighting each other. The biggest thug is this multi-national corporate thug who manipulated political clout to order in police thereby setting up this massacre. Lonmin mine should be shut, until a judicial inquiry is completed.

  • Siyabonga Masondo - 2012-08-20 00:10

    This is far surpassed apartheid times when our own black ppl r shooting their own fellow blacks, i just wonder who gave the order, he must rot in jail, Phiyega, Zuma Mthethwa u have failed SA, u also dserve d bullet

      mxo.nhlangothi - 2012-08-20 11:26

      we Masondo ngazosidakelwa wena....

  • Siyabonga Masondo - 2012-08-20 00:17

    This flag lowering wont help the families who hav lost their breadwinners who are getting R4000 while under ground and the person on top of earth earns R12500, Zuma u failed, Kgalema viva, its yo tym now!

      Vince.York - 2012-08-20 06:34

      We can only hope that these unnecessary deaths were not just an experiment by the YL juju crowd to get attention and manipulate zuma and his gang. Motlanthe will be forced to turn away from any aspirations towards the seat he so willingly threw away after a matter of weeks previously, forever if that is the case. "remembering" that there are right now, about 2500 OTHER Marikana's flaring up all around SA at this time as well in various capacities. Your VOTE is the modern civilised way to negotiate change within a Democracy and thereby the workplace, but no-one has so far used it to their benefit as they have blindly stuck to their loyalty syndrome, instead of using a clear thought process.

      thulani.sparks - 2012-08-20 07:35

      How is this Zuma's fault???

      mxo.nhlangothi - 2012-08-20 11:30

      why r we blaming the President on this.....Masondo udakiwe boy,

  • Phodiso Keboneilwe - 2012-08-20 01:33

    i blame the police,where are the rubber bullets 1st of all?...of what kind is their self-defence?...one in which they turn breadwinners into deathwinners...how do you kill someone who wants a better salary?

      Noxolo Sijeku - 2012-08-20 02:22

      Police Officers also have flesh nd blood, families and children that they love just like the people who started shooting (not using rubber bullets)

      gngaleka - 2012-08-20 05:13

      Go read the article on City press website 'Marikana guns' and come back make an informed comment.

      gngaleka - 2012-08-20 05:16

      Go read the article on City press website 'Marikana guns' and come back make an informed comment about the conduct of the police. You'll get first hand information about why police had to use live ammunition.

      gngaleka - 2012-08-20 05:16

      Go read the article on City press website 'Marikana guns' and come back make an informed comment about the conduct of the police. You'll get first hand information about why police had to use live ammunition.

      Ashly Louw - 2012-08-20 07:35

      so the police must shoot with rubberbullets while the fckn miners shoot at us with live rounds are u stupid or dnt u know the difference between these 2 tipes of bullets,idiot

      bennie.marais.9 - 2012-08-20 08:46

      You have clearly not seen all the videos of the charging miners and have already made your mind up to whom is to blame for it! Do you really think cops can defend themselves with rubber bullets again bloodthirsty hooligans charging them with guns/machetes/etc...really? In that case I would like to give you a kettie and bag of marbles and put you in a Lion camp and request that you go and hunt down one of them!

  • gngaleka - 2012-08-20 02:07

    In the previous article news 24 said this commette was the awaited enquiry itself and the readers commented based on that. Now i see that this site is all about stirring emotions deliberately just to get more comments. We are being played against each other by these scumbags calling themselves editors.

  • jakes.cakedregs - 2012-08-20 02:26

    Greed is the motive force behind all this evil. It has always poisened the minds of capital owners and it has always corrupted the minds of those who have political power. And it has almost without exception, led to the eventual failure of great states. Greed is in fact, the most destructive, yet also the most common human failing.

  • MoshKaDeph - 2012-08-20 05:52

    Rubbish rubbish how can they force them to came to work in this stage? In an unsafe place like that.

  • trevor.bush.9655 - 2012-08-20 06:06

    But I heard o the news this last week, the hacked two police members to death then they fire on the police, police fire back now the police are the ones to blame...what utter B*^*T...love to see how Malema is going to turn this into a race thing, no doubt the "white" boss's making big money and also the reason to nationalise mines...watch it happen....this smells like an ANC instigated incident/killing.

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-08-20 06:29

      You start comment like a varsity professor and end it like a Zuluboy in the early 90's. Mnr, this has nothing to do with Malema, Zuma (se ma se hare), ANC or maroon or green people, the people who could have avoided this are indeed the mine bosses. They are standing watching in the corners laughing their asses off, like you, because to them loss of life, is nothing new, they have killed more people than the 44 the country is mourning. They could have being responsible enough and tried to sit down with all parties to avoid this. But they opted the SA way, 'let these uneducated freaks throw kirries en dans, they'll tired and come back to work'. \r\nWell, it backfired, the SA way always backfires

  • marcel.d.plessis.3 - 2012-08-20 06:17

    I'm sure not all 44 were South Africans!!! Still very very sad for humans to lose there lives this way...

      ratsaka.eugene - 2012-08-20 06:45

      Dups you're so right, loss of life should not be a laughing matter!!!! And the truth is most of them are foreigners, mainly from Lesotho and Mocambique, they're still human. There's just too much evidence of a shot being fired from the crowd, new video footage emerging (looks authentic, don't think it was doctored), we definitely can't blame the police.

      Mentor Griffins - 2012-08-20 06:53

      in deed it happened many black still holding in 90 century while they turn south africa to iraq it was beta if was a mouth talk than blood to blood the time the was early were was the comments now blame of cops while they were defending them self jst wear their shoes u'll understand

  • nahi.straton - 2012-08-20 06:52

    Liers why going now? Like you care! You should be there before 44 people lost their lives

      tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-08-20 09:02

      you are right - why did they not go when the 2 policeman and 2 security guards were hacked to death for doing their job. what would happen to a group of people with weapons rushing towards a Zuma motorcade????

  • hein.huyser - 2012-08-20 06:59

    @ zuma, always after the fact. This thing was coming a long time now, but the woman and Blue Label kept you and your cadres from seeing it for what it was. And the roleplayer in all of this, Malema's faction are laughing all the way behind your backs (in your faces). The only thing you can do now Zuma, is throwing money at it. 44 miners with each 10 kids = 440 children with the chancers we can easily look at a 1000 kids. It takes about 500k to take achild to Varcity millions upon millions and the taxpayer must pick up your tab again.

      gmarupta - 2012-08-20 07:09

      your not making any sense....focus to the issue @ hand

      Jason Children - 2012-08-20 07:48

      dude your comment makes no sense! the mine has said they will pay for the children's education! and I think you need to read all the articles regarding this again

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-08-20 07:00

    Who says a blue uniform and a piece of metal on ur chest makes u a self rightous being,nd shud b given authority to kill.That abuse of power wil eventually cum knocking at ur door,or wait til they turn on you.

      johan.nieuwenhuys.7 - 2012-08-20 07:35

      So as an officer of the law, are you not allowed to defend yourself, must you stand there and get butchered? I ask you if you were standing there and a blood thirsty horde was charging down on you with pangas and clubs then you hear small arms fire coming from the mob. Would you not open fire to defend yourself?

      Jason Children - 2012-08-20 07:44

      @johan, dont waist your breath! Fort has no idea! cops got it 100% right.

  • sue.robertson.9083 - 2012-08-20 07:08

    This matter is all political between the Mine Workers Union and whoever else ..... Strikes should be an organised peacful march to bring greivances to the attention of goverment and mine owners ----- I ask you, WHO gave them guns, pangas, rifles and rocks and then incited them to violence. Mr Malema you must be smiling not mourning, you are one step further to reaching your goal of Anarchy and then Nationalisation and you dont care at whos expense it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-08-20 07:10

    Howcome they never went when the protesters killed 10 people?!

  • fort.horseman.7 - 2012-08-20 07:13

    Ive seen ppl damaged by corrupt police,families and communities divided,pound for pound police are more dangerous to piece and stability then their opposites.The old SAP ways persist especially were the old apartheid police are.

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-08-20 07:13

    Zuma urged South Africans to \reaffirm our belief in peace, stability and order and in building a caring society free of crime and violence\. We so badly want this society you talk of Mr Zuma but please explain how we can accomplish this? You give parole to criminals at your own discretion!! You don't want the death penalty back!! Did you know that corruption is also a crime and we hear of it everyday?? This country is spiralling out of control and we look to you our Government to help make this a safer country to live in....please can your Commission of Inquiry deal swiftly and efficiently with the events of last week!!

  • itumeleng.tshatiwa - 2012-08-20 07:25

    The SAPS, well dressed in their uniform of brutality often take the so-called law into their own hands and get away with it. They shoot and kill at a very very slightest provocation!

      Jason Children - 2012-08-20 07:42

      your comment is disgraceful! Zuma says the whole country is mourning??? I doubt that, I certainly wont mourn for 34 armed men who tried to attack police officers! thats the problem with SA today, we feel sorry for criminals! Not this tax payer. good riddance.

  • zwelethu.sabasaba - 2012-08-20 07:44

    Just imagine how useless our police would seem if the mine workers had \charged to them\ and they ran away only to be captured and \butchered and burned alive\. Police, you acted in self-defence, bravo, not for the killing, but for defending yourselves from being killed.

  • eric.martinsich - 2012-08-20 07:49

    So many different views on what Happened and what should of happened. Say the police did use rubber bullets and the miners (thugs) got through with their guns and machetes. The police would of laid dead on the ground. Chaos would rein in our country. Live by the sword die by the sword. It is my opinion that there is more to this strike than meets the eye. Political as well as NUM losing members to another trade union AMCU.

      johan.nieuwenhuys.7 - 2012-08-20 07:54

      The police did use rubber bullets, water cannons, tear gas and stun grenades in the days leading up to this but to no avail, the mob was asked to disperse, as it was an illegal protest, still they refused to leave. In the end the police ran out of options. It came down to kill or be killed and as officers of the law they were within their rights to open fire.\r\n\r\nI for one applaud them.

  • ingrid.oberholzer - 2012-08-20 08:31

    Be realistic, nobody gives a hoot, it's just another day in the Life of South Africa. So a few people go killed, the norm is as long as it doesn't affect the millions lining my pockets blame the next guy. This will take years like the rest of the Inquiries. Blame the apartheid. JM used his head and made the right moves, where was our President giving a news conference at the mines recreation centre.

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-08-20 08:35

    Zuma declared a week of national mourning and Top government committee arrives at Marikana. Is this for the miners. Has everyone forgotten about the 2 policemen who were killed together with 2 security guards all sacrificing their lives to protect us!!!! and what about the innocent civilians???? What happened to those miners is sad BUT lets not forget they murdered at least 8 people in cold blood!!!

  • aqueel.yasin - 2012-08-20 08:49

    What are the police suppose to do when four thousand anger miners come at them with weapons and threaten to kill them?? The miners went into this prepared to die, almost as if they were going into war. Im not saying that taking a life is correct but in this case I think it was more kill or be killed. I support the South African police force and they cannot be blamed for this. We need to look to the unions that represent these miners and brainwashed in them, sending them into a war zone while the union representatives sat back somewhere safe.

  • sam.lloyd.104 - 2012-08-20 08:51

    Well done ANC your'e getting whipped by your own stick,just a pity people had to die for the world to take notice.....O wait over 3000 farmers their wives and children have been slaughtered for 15+ years now in this country and no flags were flying half mast at any stage!!!!!!! Why dont you do a political inquirer on to investigate why a 8 month old baby has been strangled and mother hacked to death.But I suppose that would not get u any votes now would it???

  • charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-08-20 09:33

    Can this top government officials please concentrate on something that is really important like "real crime" in the whole of South Africa where more people killed daily and these are actually innocents not aggresive mops....they can start with all the farm murders and then carry on to the general public on the streets......this is the real problem...when will they wake-up and see what is right in front of them....like crime in general where all people suffer and lose love ones daily.....!!

  • phumlani.veliti - 2012-08-20 10:19

    This is one manipulative government *shaking head*

  • alf.pop - 2012-08-20 11:01

    Why has Vavi not had anything to say? Did Cosatu's affiliate NUM, play a bigger role in the massacre than what is reported?

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