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MEC unmoved by opposition to tolls

2012-02-28 18:27

Johannesburg - Putting Gauteng tolls into operation should not be affected by the DA's opposition, Transport MEC Ismail Vadi said on Tuesday.

"I'm not concerned," he said in Johannesburg responding to reports of the Democratic Alliance taking the matter to court.

He said Cabinet had given enough time for public consultation and felt Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan should be commended for the R5.8bn contribution to toll costs via the fiscus to the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral).

"I think we have met the public halfway. I think opposition parties are just now being foolish," Vadi said.

Last week, government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi said Gauteng toll fees were set to become a fact of life and the law and the government would tolerate no disobedience.

He advised freeway-users in the province to go out and buy their e-tags, the use of which allowed drivers a discount on the fees charged.

"This is not just a bad dream; it's a reality, it's going to happen. No one should have any illusion whatsoever that this thing is going to go away. It's a fact of life and it's going to happen," Manyi said.

With effect from April 30, motorcycles with e-tags would pay 20c/kilometre and those without, 38c.

Light motor vehicles would pay 30c and 58c respectively, and non-articulated trucks 75c and R1.45.

Articulated trucks with e-tags would pay R1.51/km and those without R2.90.

Under the new fee system, the cost for motorcycles and light vehicles would be capped at R550/month.

Comments
  • Sinudeity - 2012-02-28 18:32

    Seems like the ANC is trying to divert attention away by making it a "DA issue" now. Good luck Joburg.

      Alex - 2012-02-28 18:58

      They do love to engage in the "play the player" argument tactic to avoid dealing with issues. And let's ignore what the public wants, why would the Government break policy and consider the concerns and needs of their citizens. Thats not part of their job.

      Max - 2012-02-28 19:00

      You think, what about what we think about this seen that we are the ones that are going to pay you ignorant fool.

      david.streicher - 2012-02-28 19:02

      Can one assume then that if more voted for the DA and less for the ANC in GP, this money making scheme would have been shelved a long time ago?

      Gordon - 2012-02-28 20:59

      What rubbish. The issue is not so much about paying, but about the fact that some "management company" will be charging the public for years to come to do a job that doesn't need to be done. Who will really be making money out of the management of the toll collections? In terms of pulling the money from the fiscus, that's just robbing people regardless of if they use the road or not.

      Barry - 2012-02-29 07:56

      Jimmy, give up the threats,you cannot back them up anyway. Let us be very clear so that finally you understand the situation. We have no intention of purchasing an e-tag. We have no use for one. Your very poorly planned scam falls flat on its face. The government is in no position to dictate. The government are there to do the will of the people. The will of the people say no to the toll system get used to it Jimmy and get off your high horse. You will follow direction of the people. Just do as your told. Oh and Jimmy.... dont forget to turn the toll gates into advertising hordings in an attempt to repay the gross financial loss you have just incurred.

  • Bigrp - 2012-02-28 18:37

    Like somebody commented last week...are they going to imprison 2 million Gauteng road users if we refuse to register/pay?

      lee.farrington - 2012-02-28 20:07

      The problem is, JHB will not stand together, and it will be left to a dismal few that are left out to dry

      Mike - 2012-02-29 08:01

      I will say it again "I WILL NOT PAY A CENT",they can improson me or whatever I will not pay not even a single cent for this tolls.

      Sazi - 2012-02-29 09:30

      The problem is that there will be idiots out there who will go and register...

  • Leon - 2012-02-28 18:41

    More, more, more, give us more

      Piet - 2012-02-28 19:20

      With carbon tax and import duties X6 Beemers are expensive! And then you have to include all the special blue lights an flashing indicators......

  • Pen - 2012-02-28 18:43

    It's like everything else in this country. Who is going to police this? you can pass all the laws you like, if you don't have competent people managing it, it will not work. Don't get an e-tag! can you imagine the amount of admin it is going to take to send out notifications to all of Gauteng road users via Aarto. Idiots.

      lee.farrington - 2012-02-28 20:08

      Watch how suddenly there will be more road blocks and the traffic police managing this.

      Sazi - 2012-02-29 09:31

      It will cost them more to chase us than actually getting revenue from the tolls. I will not register for this crap.

  • Adam - 2012-02-28 18:45

    The few I pass under will have holes in them, exactly .45 inch diameter.

      Adam - 2012-02-28 19:33

      Maybe, because the minister has met us half way, we could only make 9mm holes.

      Barry - 2012-02-29 07:58

      Yes....use the metric system

  • Jacques - 2012-02-28 18:46

    Public Consultation should mean a voice with an opinion which influences the outcome. Not consulting the public after a decision has been made. What is forgotten is that it is our money not yours. People dont have the cash. Ministers will be exempted as the cost is paid by us in any case. This is not simply to fund road management it is broadening the tax base by penelising the middle class. How about increasing Vat by 6% and lower and removing the double taxes in this country. This way everyone contributes not just the Gauteng middle class. Uneducated fools being sold on an idea from a first world country when we are not a first world country. In ten years time Europe would be blamed when in actual fact it is weak leaders with in the ANC who needs to take responsibility

  • Morne - 2012-02-28 18:47

    Well just show then and dont use the toll roads!

      Piet - 2012-02-28 19:12

      Iso you wooosh, use them and do not register!

      Morne - 2012-02-28 19:20

      boycott dit Piet, nie seker hoe die tolhekke werk nie, ons in die oos-kaap het nie sulke goed nie. Op die einde van die dag moet jy maar nogsteeds betaal!

  • dave.leverton - 2012-02-28 18:47

    I must have missed the announcement of Cosatu joining the DA.

      Dave - 2012-02-28 20:45

      Lost in the post, just like our toll road bills

  • Celtis - 2012-02-28 18:57

    Will they charge me for the distance the hijackers travelled with my car?

      Mike - 2012-02-29 08:06

      Good question somebody mentioned that you could throw a mud on your number plates("Sorry officer I am just from Mpumalanga I must have hit a pothole") or one of my numberplates either back or front will find itself in the car,(Sorry sir it was loose and I was afraid it could fall)I will definitely won't be paying.

  • Kekeletso Nakeli - 2012-02-28 19:00

    "I think we have met the public halfway. I think opposition parties are just now being foolish, Vadi said" how's about the public meet you the whole way, and give you directions to hell!

  • Bomb - 2012-02-28 19:01

    Hope the strikers and rioters burn these booths down every month. This is surely one thing where all parties can stand together and fight it together.

  • deon.schyff - 2012-02-28 19:05

    I wish these a##ho##s will realise there is a limit to taxing us to death - not even their constituents can give them a wake up call - "Viva la Africa". I will enjoy the encounter between Vavi's and Zuma's cronies - Vavi (CUSATU) will loose anyway (Reality has not set in with Vavi, not yet). I always hoped that we will not follow the rest of Africa where this arrogant and hostile attitude will surface but, unfortunately, we will become another example of " I told you so" African disaster. Just another example of "African laughing stock". Just another Senegal where Africa did not even voice concerns when their president stood for a third term - against their constitution - We have all the potential - that is all - China is coming.

  • John Murray McKay - 2012-02-28 19:13

    The toll gates are a good thing- its for wealth distribution. Everyone knows the good expensive copper cables are in the toll gate structures and don't forget a ladder so you can climb up to the cameras and take the wires out of them too.

  • Piet - 2012-02-28 19:16

    Why are everybody up in arms about this? I thought we agreed that we are nit going to register and pay. But I will bet a k that most of you will give in and pay. where where you lot when they started the construction of these roads? Then nobody complained. DO NOT REGISTER! AND DO NOT PAY,!!! Simple!

      Dave - 2012-02-28 20:31

      Might just lose that one Piet, this is the one time that apathy will win, by sitting back and doing nothing, the etag stock will never go down

  • Angling - 2012-02-28 19:18

    HKGK

  • frank.hartry - 2012-02-28 19:18

    South Africans would be dumb and mad to accept the toll fees. SANRAL already is planning a hefty increase once the system kicks off. During the apartheid era the ANC- rightly at times- encouraged the people to defy certain laws. Now that time has come about again. This business of sycophantically praising this man Gordhan because he met the public half way is another pompous ANC remark. How can the highly paid Gordhan be profusely praised for committing taxpayers money which is not his own? As usual this corrupt ANC led government truely believe that taxpayers money is their very own.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-28 19:19

    "I think we have met the public halfway..." Please explain exactly how "you met the public halfway" . The R5.8bn from the fiscus is still public money and could have been put to better use, had there been proper management of public funds and the contributions made by the public towards road maintenance. NO to Toll roads.

      Piet - 2012-02-28 19:25

      No i is not public money!! It is money that was allocated for transport, not roads. The anc was gracious enough to give us this money. They will now buy X5's instead ov X6'S

      Dave - 2012-02-28 20:34

      Meeting us halfway? Why dont they give us the roads free for the same period as it took to resurface them, to compensate us to waiting gridlocked for 3 hours to travel 3 kms?

  • Adam - 2012-02-28 19:24

    http://www.phantomplate.com/photoblocker.html Nearly $30 but will do 4 plates, also works on radar speed traps, and traffic light cameras, already ordered mine. BTW will last a life time, doesnt wash off. If you use this as well as an e-tag, I dont think you will be breaking the law.(of course you spray the e-tag as well)

      Mike - 2012-02-29 08:08

      Thank you for that Adam,I will try that as well for the cameras.

      Mike - 2012-02-29 08:10

      Do you perhaps know were I could get it in SA?

  • Claude - 2012-02-28 19:25

    I would pay these tolls once a forensic audit has been performed to ensure no government FAT CATS or their families are not involved in making MONEY!!!!!

      Sheik - 2012-02-28 21:44

      They are only threating road uses to get e-tags because they have no hopein hell of collecting the money otherwise, because it was badly planned and they know it.

  • Sheik - 2012-02-28 19:28

    They mustby law give me an invoice for services rendered with their VAT displayed, so I want to see these fools make this lot work sucessfully if no-one buys e-tags. Another thing they trying to get Aarto involved, again the law done not allow you to use one service to collect from another, anyway Aarto still is in a mess with no future solution in sight. The Consumer Council and the Post Office are really going to be in-undated and the government will sit with 40 odd white elephants along the highways. Suggest that each gantry be used as monuments and named after ANC heroes with little museums depicting their part in the struggle.

  • Burtfred - 2012-02-28 19:29

    Of course Vadi is not concerned. There are no toll booms between his house, his office and his mosque. Why should he worry, he is part of the Gauteng ANC mafiosi, so he can do exactly as he pleases. So he thinks.

      werner.smidt - 2012-02-29 07:56

      Even if there was, I'm pretty sure we'll end up paying for his commutes anyway.

  • Piet - 2012-02-28 19:32

    I wonder what happened to all the black racists that climbed out of woodwork to comment on the land issue last night. Surely this is touching them to? Maybe they will do what they are doing with their municipal accounts, don't pay them....

  • Sallie - 2012-02-28 19:39

    Ismail Vadi is going to policy this Less policing on the matters that needs attention. A question raised during a debat in the tea room, I repaet a tea room (that is where you here the real feelings about the current regime) who will pay Ismail Vadi toll money? A generous answer came - he registered his Audi A8 or Merc as a taxi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Leon - 2012-02-28 19:43

    R5.8billion is not halfway, it is 10% of R60billion

      Barry - 2012-02-29 11:25

      And this is tax payers money anyway.

  • Shilly Maelane - 2012-02-28 20:06

    Bunch of selfish/ arrogant morons...!!! Government can kiss my ass!!

  • ivan.coetzee2 - 2012-02-28 20:07

    Of course the ANC want this to go ahead, just think of all the money they going skim off the top, thieves

  • peter.norma - 2012-02-28 20:45

    Don't register and don't pay and the billing system will implode. Anyway, It seems as if e-tolling contravenes the Consumer Protection Act, so they can stand on their heads, it will be years, if ever, before they can collect any money.

  • Steve - 2012-02-28 21:46

    What a Cheek Typical ANC A "Public Servant" who cares nought for the Public It will be a cold day in hell before you get a debit order from me or till I pay one of your highway robbery tolls

  • Irene - 2012-02-28 21:48

    The absolute cherry on the top of this slap in the face from the morons in power is that TAXIS DRIVE FREE! Why? What's so special about them. Because of this fact alone, I will not register for an etag. Time to turn the highways into a parking lot.

  • John - 2012-02-28 22:48

    The amount of money it will cost the tax payer to operate e toll I am not sure of. my feeling is that they could take that cost and spend it on road maintenance. Mr Gordhan, said that he will have the petrol taxes increased as well. Do not use the toll roads and do not pay for e tags. Come Gauteng stand together on this one. If the Lions could win the Currie cup, Orlando stadium hosted a Blue Bulls rugby game and they now where pink, Benny McCarthy is scoring goals, then we as sure as hell can beat this day light robbery.

      Christopher Mpumelelo Mazibuko - 2012-03-07 16:49

      John you have a point.. these people are sick. this is pure daylight robbery

  • Peter - 2012-02-28 22:52

    I am already taxed to death , now I must pay more to get to work where I am taxed yet again for my labour !! All motorists in JHB MUST stand together and not buy an e-tag I will not buy their tag and so must you United we stand divided we fall !!!!

  • Kevin - 2012-02-29 05:49

    BOYCOTT . SHOW YOUR METAL

  • Kevin - 2012-02-29 05:52

    Toll stations,equipment ,staff ,vehicles ,management fees all costing billions was unnecessary as it could have been funded by a simple tax with ZERO costs . Why manage a road when it does not require staff you dumb thickies. NO MORE TOLLS . At the very worst tax people but do not add cost

      Christopher Mpumelelo Mazibuko - 2012-03-07 16:47

      we are not happy @ all

  • Andrew - 2012-02-29 06:58

    In Vadi's words "It is not a bad dream" but it could become a nightmare when SANRAL have to issue invoices/statements for millions of users who will not be buying e tags, thereafter collect the money.

  • werner.smidt - 2012-02-29 07:56

    So, let me get this straight. By using tax money, you're reducing toll fees .... ? And Pravin should be commended for it? It's not an issue of opposition parties, WE'RE not happy with it. Then again, I'm sure you have people "commending" you with brown envelopes . . oh wait . .silly me, you just show the public the cash you get and "enjoy it for us". Kinda like Kgalema with his champagne.

  • Sazi - 2012-02-29 09:28

    I say bring it on homies...Try chasing a million motorists a day. They really think they will get the final say. Don't buy e-tags people!!

      Christopher Mpumelelo Mazibuko - 2012-03-07 16:46

      i agree. let these people suffer the consequences of their bad decisions making

  • Brian - 2012-02-29 12:58

    What about the students.? I have 4 vehicles on the road every day. Mine, my wife's, and two kids at university. Have the idiots given any though to the amount of vehicles per household. There are those who do not earn a salary who have to use the road daily, and there are folks that are out of work...etc etc

  • Brian - 2012-02-29 12:59

    What about the students.? I have 4 vehicles on the road every day. Mine, my wife's, and two kids at university. Have the idiots given any though to the amount of vehicles per household. There are those who do not earn a salary who have to use the road daily, and there are folks that are out of work...etc etc

      Christopher Mpumelelo Mazibuko - 2012-03-07 16:44

      These people don't Think. They make decisions according to their own financial standings. don't you think and increase of TAX to 15% will do ?

  • Christopher Mpumelelo Mazibuko - 2012-03-07 16:42

    The e-tags is a good idea but there are people who don't earn much and R550 is their weekly Petrol money. Why doesn't the government just increase TAX to 15% ?

  • Johnnie - 2012-03-09 11:42

    Mr.Vadi and Mr.Manyi are so keen that tolls be paid, but as Mr. Manyi said "it is a fact of life". The only snag is that these two gentlemen do not pay E-tolls,thanks to the taxpayer. The same goes for the taxis, no pay, but according to SANRAL and the government the system is fair. That whole system should be broken down, every nut and bolt,and sold as scrap.

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