Malema hate speech ruling wrong - DA

2011-09-13 17:23

Johannesburg - A final Constitutional Court ruling on what constitutes hate speech is necessary, the Democratic Alliance said on Tuesday.

"The SA Human Rights Commission under the then chairmanship of now Judge Jody Kollapen in 2002 wrote an opinion on the constitutionality of the Equality Act's hate speech provision, and like the DA - found it wanting," DA MP Dene Smuts said in a statement.

"No utterance that could result in genocide, as in Rwanda, or in the instilling of fear and apprehension should be protected speech under the Constitution."

On Monday, Judge Colin Lamont ruled in the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg, sitting as the Equality Court, that the song "dubhula ibhunu" (shoot the boer) sung by ANCYL president Julius Malema constituted hate speech.

Smuts said the DA thought Lamont's ruling was wrong because it extended the ban to all persons in all circumstances. This meant that the Equality Act was "ripe for challenge", she said.

However, the judgment was a "well-aimed rebuke to an irresponsible young rabble-rouser who no one in their right mind believes was nostalgically intoning struggle songs", said Smuts.

She said the DA found the judgment interesting and useful.

SA Municipal Workers' Union (Samwu) was "perturbed" by Lamont's ruling.

"We are of the view that the liberation song, the specific words 'dubhula ibhunu' does not incite violence," spokesperson Tahir Sema said in a statement.

"The judgment is unfortunate and incorrect."

He said the judgment affected the entire liberation movement, not just the ANC and the ANC Youth League.

Samwu would support the ANC in appealing against the ban.

"This song is part of our heritage and history of our struggle," said Sema.

  • Dango - 2011-09-13 17:29

    The song can't broadly be chategorized as hate speech. But Juju uses it to incite hate, so it's a difficult situation. But the judgement is not wrong, it's good he was found guilty so as to get more debate and keep it on the agenda. If Julius gets any real political decision-making power, he will become the next Idi Amin.

      Eugene - 2011-09-13 18:01

      Songs inciting to shoot or kill someone based on ethnicity are for sur hate speech. That this event needs to be debated I don't understand.

      WhiteAgent - 2011-09-13 18:13

      We're wasting too much time on this hateful man. He needs to be in a psychiatric hospital receiving medical care for his condition.

      canuck13 - 2011-09-13 18:36

      @whiteagent - we are not spending ENOUGH time on this man in the same way that Germany was not taking Hitler seriously. The future of this country pivots around him and the ANC knows it. There needs to be a collective push from the rest of SA to get this guy out. If he is not broken politically he will be the next Idi Amin. There needs to be a push back from moderates that show this is unacceptable. We need an economic counter strike. Close all big business for a week and the government will realize where their money comes from.

      Phelan Wulf - 2011-09-13 18:40

      Freedom of speech is a dual edged sword. You cannot demand freedom of speech if you do not grant it to others. So as much as I disagree with the singing of the song, i have to agree with the DA's point of view. And THAT does not happen often

      SAmizdat - 2011-09-13 19:02

      So by the DA's extremely stupid reasoning, saying "Kill the k-word, shoot the n-word" would also be OK, as long it is not said in the wrong context. No, sorry, DA. Hate is hate.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-13 22:56

      - WTF DA ? I think you lot might just be losing the plot. Dont tell me Malema has got to you..

      CITIZEN - 2011-09-14 02:02

      poloyatonki when MR Nelson Mandela became President i thought we as whites and blacks can finally live free and for a few years it looked like it untill MR Peter Mokoba and MR Julius Malema came in the pictures i realised i were wrong singing kill the boer shoot the farmer is inciting violence period the apartheid struggle is over the sooner you realised it the beter this country can go back to normal i try my best to live freely like MR Mandela said but i dont know anymore to be chased around the township by police and army and being shot at just because of your colour is unthinkable but now Malema want to go down to the apartheid regimes level by inciting violence no ways it is time that we in south africa stand together and fight new struggles like crime and aids here is a new slogan for you MR Malema " kill aids shoot the criminal" if you know how to be a youth leader you will sing that rather inciting violence

      Karoobloed - 2011-09-14 06:35

      This song refrains "Kill the farmer" and "Shoot the Boer", and describes the farmers/boers indiscriminately as "rapists" and "dogs". If that is not hate speech, then what is?

      Protest - 2011-09-14 07:01

      Judge Lamont made it clear in his judgement that liberation songs are flexible and the words change according to circumstances. The current Malema version of the song carries no historical value and is plainly hate-speech. If the ANC wants to preserve the history of the struggle, then they have to be historically accurate.

      Mart - 2011-09-14 08:19

      The ANC's claim to having an untainted and exemplary history is jaundiced. The 'fight' to retain the right to spew hatred, particulary by one Julius Malema, who we all know hates white people with a passion, is another example of the ANC being firmly entrenched in a myopic view of their vision for the future of this country. Who is the next 'target' after they've exhausted their attack on whites....will it be the Indians and coloureds or will they start with 'off-side Zulus' or unsympathetic Vendas etc. The ANC's policies and attitude are there for all to see, you just have to read between the lines. Their occasional positive utterances may fool their followers and voters, for now but sooner than later this tide will turn. Till then they are milking their 'cash cow' (us) for all we're worth. This situation is merely the ANC trying to strut their plumage and appease their supporters, and hanging on to the 'song' has no actual value to the future of this country.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-09-14 08:42

      The DA just lost my vote. FF+ from now on and I'll vote at my local embassy.

      Karoobloed - 2011-09-14 09:47

      Blake Waldron, I guarantee you that the average citizen of Australia, Canada and New Zealand would be appalled by any song that incites the killing of members of a specific population group, also indiscriminately labelled as "dogs" and "rapists". And that their judiciaries would have labelled such a chant as hate speech in no time. Would you perhaps argue the comparison be invalid because the judiciaries in those countries have not adequately "transformed" ? It is a bit rich of you to declare this song free of hate speech, when you are probably not a member of the group identified for "special treatment" in the song. For effect try substituting "The English" or "The Africans" for "Farmers or Boers". And go all the way and name those groups in racist terms. Then try singing it at public gatherings. Yes, the memory and legacy of Apartheid is revolting and disturbing. But that is no excuse for giving this disturbing, hateful and inciteful chant more airtime.

      JohannV - 2011-09-14 10:00

      Blake Waldron, when you turned 3, I was already in the Army. When you played with clay and snot, I was in Angola. You have no idea what happened, what had to be done, what it was like. Commenting on "Afrikaaners getting killed is not so bad" makes my blood boil. Isn;t your fiance an "Afrikaaaaaaaner?" Get the spelling right. Even your profile pic makes me sick - a little liberal at his favourite watering hole...

      SomeLogic - 2011-09-14 10:14

      That song, just like the ANC outlived it's purpose, which was to destroy apartheid. Mission accomplished. The song and the movement is DONE for all intends and purposes. Having liberated country, the ANC now needs training and experiencing on governing a country. In summary ANC needs new songs and new goals.

      d2eguy - 2011-09-14 10:17

      so much for the ANC asking for all South Africans to work together for peace yet the ANC is so racist they can`t even respect the boers or Afrikaans speaking South Africans by abiding with the courts decision on not to sing that disgusting song . the money used for fighting the court decision could of fed or educated how many needy ? the ANC and ANCYL have proved to the world they are nothing more than small minded uneducated RACIST thugs

      JohannV - 2011-09-14 11:38

      Hey Blake1985, nice move changing your profile and deleting your previous comments under the other profile. You just reinforced my comments.

      TacksGP - 2011-09-14 11:55

      After reading the above comments, i get a sense tension is increasing btw black and white. shud a war erupt i'm afraid, whites will be put to extiction in South Africa, as there r only +-5million whiteys compared to 40million something blacks

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-14 12:59

      @TacksgGP I am not sure if you were ever in the military,or if you were you were, in a combat unit. But let me assure you my stick of 6, once took out a Field Unit of a 150, armed 3 times better than us. Do not ever fear numbers in a battle. History is littered with cases where the majority we totaly wiped out by a better more positive attitude bunch of fighters. Give me 5 positive, dedicated soldiers, who want to wipe out the enemy at all costs - any time - as to 60 nitwits running around like a Boy Scouts Jamboree and I'll go to war with them any day.If MK is anything to go by I have no fear if 20m blacks want to have a go at us. And do not think for one minute all the Blacks in this country are stupid and back these turkeys. And I fought with some very brave and splendid Black soldiers in my military life.I maybe a lot older now but I can still train young lads to fight as can many of us who were in the SADF of old and the ex-Rhodesian Army. Fear not my dear man these turkeys will actually arm us much quicker than you can believe. Gosh I can't wait for Napolean Malema to arrive on his Black stead to lead this lot to war.Bet you R1m to R1.00 he will never show his face at the front line nor any of his hot shot generals either. Not even Cwele will be there leading the charge. And as for Zuma????!!!!!No that type of leadership takes guts.

      Karien - 2011-09-14 13:30

      The idea that whites had to be protected against black violence was one of the foremost reasons that past politicians had held forward in promoting the appartheid system in the first place. By singing this song the ANC is vindicating the fearful beliefs of pro-appartheid whites and the hateful "choir" is therefore in the process of dissproving moderate whites of the past who had held that the fearful basis of appartheid was unreasonable and largely unfounded. This song is vindicating the right wing whites' fears. Completely counter productive and pretty dumb...

      Looking@SA - 2011-09-14 13:41

      @canuck13; Agreed! Have said this on this site in the past. Take Mr. Malema seriously. Stop the insults the remarks about his education level and wishing him dead. With all of that you validate his views to his most fanatical followers and harden the resolve of those who are less entrenched as "true believers" in his policies. Julius as president of SA is a real possibility. His policies of nationalization will be a disaster that the country may not recover from. Repeatedly on this site people reference his policies as making the country another ZIM. And then they proceed to make fun of Malema or joke about how stupid he is. Take this man seriously. Demand that he defend his policies and then challlenge them on the grounds of economic and social policy. Stop letting him play the role of the 21st century Mandela (which he is trying to do). Make him instead play the role of upcoming presidential candidate (which he is) and get him to defend his agenda. Make him speak at every turn about that agenda. Challenge him on specifics about that agenda. Make him define, in specifics, about how that agenda will help SA become a 1st world country. Take this man very seriously. I'm an outsider but one day hope to live (part of the year, for those who want to move to northern US and Canada with our winters you can have it I prefer SA in Dec-April) with my South African wife but won't want to come there even as a tourist if Malema has his way.

      Cire - 2011-09-14 16:35

      @Dango. So urging people of one race to kill people of another race can't be seen as hate speech? How fascinating! And remember that we have probably the only constitution in the world that expressly permits racial discrimination!

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-14 17:33

      not as long as the dark greens are selling illegal AKs

      hos_ja - 2011-09-14 17:47

      Et tu, DA?

      PikeLee - 2011-09-15 11:18

      From the daily maverick: history does repeat itself. Julius Malema says: ‘We must control the economy - it’s in the hands of the whites.’ Hitler said: ‘We must control the economy - it’s in the hand of the Jews.’ Hitler appealed to the millions of Germans who had no jobs, after the First World War. Malema appeals to the millions of South Africans who don’t have a job after the apartheid era. I’m very careful about these comparisons because they are very dangerous. But do not underestimate the incredible craftiness of people who make noises on the sidelines and then move into the centre. Hitler also went to jail in the twenties. He wrote ‘Mein Kampf’ and then came out and ruled Europe. So if Julius Malema is thrown out of the ANC, I think he may form his own party. It’s a very interesting time - very dangerous, but very interesting.”

      Delarey - 2011-09-15 14:34

      They are quite correct in that it belongs to the "HISTORY" of their struggle and as such should be preserved and remembered in the archives and museums and NOT as a present day crowd inciter. The ANC pissed in their pants (please excuse the description but it's the only appropriate one), when Bok sang "De la Rey" and now they think it is still ok to sing about killing whites! Get your racist, hypercritical act together. Let’s see how much you treasure SA’s democracy with how severely or not you discipline your mampara youth leader!?

  • AndreA - 2011-09-13 17:38

    ANC: If kill the boer is ok, what about the k-word

      ir8m8 - 2011-09-13 17:50

      Well if they can sing "kill the boer" then surely we can all start singing the good oldies...Bobbejan klim die berg, De la rey, and that N.... song. Its what we grew up with. When we all stepped into the new dispensation did we not all agree that some of the "war" rhetoric had to go, or was that just the white racist rhetoric. I think we need to go back to 1990 and relook at agreements made, and maybe look at self determination again, let them live in the putid ANC squaller they have created.

      Grayman - 2011-09-13 17:55

      No Bulumko - the DA have been concerned about the Equality Act's definition of hate speech and that this judgement has opened the way for it to be challenged. They are rightly concerned that the ANC will misuse their power to change the wording of the Equality Act to support their argument. Not a sobering thought.

      Eugene - 2011-09-13 18:04

      That's of course OK regardless of rulings on hate speech or not.

      FJ2 - 2011-09-13 18:08

      @ir8m8: De la Rey is a song about a leader in the Boer War and any attempt to implicate it in the debate about "kill the Boer" is to totally ignore it's context (see the original video of the song)

      pants - 2011-09-13 18:17

      Bulumko ......... typical half educated fool..... please read what the DA said again and if you don't get it, read it again. If you still don't understand what they are objecting to, come back and i'll explain it to like I would my 5 year old nephew..... OK

      James - 2011-09-13 18:22

      @Bulumko Lusu: The DA don't agree with banning the song (anyone with half a brain will accept it is part of the struggle and should therefore be remembered (as history only)), but they do support the notion that the context in which that chubby a*sewipe Malema is singing it amounts to hate speech. The lack of ability of people to think things through in this world is astounding. The complete liberation of the world has given the stupid the ability to out vote the intelligent. The result is clear for all to see. Meltdown.

      Desertrat - 2011-09-13 19:07

      One can just see the educated, and those think they are!!! Malema was a child during the "Struggle"! What the @#$k do half of these idiots as well as their comrade JUJU know about the struggle! Bewahaha! Mal Emma! One can clearly see the blank look in those half-wit eyes, the vermin is not on this planet!

      Blip - 2011-09-14 00:16

      Two wrongs don't make a right.

      Nkulekweni - 2011-09-14 11:42

      Andrea White people are still celebrating the death of thousands of black Africans. Have you been to the voortrekker monument lately? It is understandable that after so many centuries of being told that they are special people, the majority of whites, especially as represented on this site, find it extremely difficult to understand black lives in this country. Doing so would require them to first accept that black people, asian people ect are human beings just as they are. Now if they were to accept, where would they get positive sense of identity from? As one whitey said to his son..if you are no better than a nigger son who are you better than? A pathetic way to derive your sense of positive self identity for sure...but one that is ingrained in the majority of white people in South Africa as exemplified by our very own resident racists on this site.

      GH - 2011-09-14 13:32

      @ Nkulekweni -don't know which whites you've been hanging out with, but I don't know any whites like that. No, we don't celebrate the death of black people and no I haven't been to the monument. When you generalise white ppl because of one person like that, it's called Racism. It's like saying all blacks are criminals. I suggest you re-think this.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-14 14:57

      @Nkulekweni, you do realise the Voortrekker Monument is not about black people right? *Sigh*

      Nkulekweni - 2011-09-14 15:14

      You are right GH. I am guilty of generalising. However, I use the word majority to signify that I know that not all white people derive their positive sense of self identity from denigrating black people. On this site however, where the majority of white contributers do, it is very difficult not to forget this fact. To you I apologise.

      Janice - 2011-09-15 07:53

      Very very very valid point indeed...Well commented Andrea!

      Delarey - 2011-09-15 14:44

      The Voortrekker monument is about black people?? Where did this racist clown get this from?? They must be teaching some interesting stuff at school nowadays. If you have nothing semi-intelligent to add please go and fly a kite.

      moreso - 2011-09-15 15:26

      @Nkulekweni, "Doing so would require them to first accept that black people, asian people ect are human beings just as they are. Now if they were to accept, where would they get positive sense of identity from?" Where do you pull this kind of crap from? My 'positive sense of identity' comes from bringing a valuable contribution to society, not from destroying another human being. It's almost like you don't understand the concept of civilisation. So now you apologise and state that not all whites are like that, just the majority. WHAT? You think that most white folk get kicks out of denigrating blacks, so why did apartheid end? We voted to end it, remember? That's DIRECT proof that you are wrong. Let me guess, you're not a racist? SURE BUDDY. Please stop listening to what the ANC and their branches say because they will do absolutely anything to stay in power.

      moreso - 2011-09-15 16:42

      @Nkulekweni, read this: I would love to know what you think about that

      G-spotWizard - 2011-09-21 13:26

      If this song was OK, it should be sang to the springboks when they return from the World cup

  • Bantu74 - 2011-09-13 17:38

    Thats true we need to sing what is part of our history and no-one can change it.

      Robert - 2011-09-13 17:49

      is singing shoot someone really part of your history?.

      THE.SRG - 2011-09-13 17:50

      well the ANC is making history now by oppressing white people so dont go cry racism when the whites start singing kill the blacks

      african - 2011-09-13 17:56

      @Bantu: don't you think it is time to move forward and away from these issues? May be sing these songs at closed meetings if you like, but certainly never at public events. If used as incitement to violence, then it is hate speech. We are supposed to be building a new South Africa - for all South Africans. Let's do it by stopping hate speech as a first step.

      Desertrat - 2011-09-13 19:13

      Yeah, as quoted earlier on. "Bobejan kilm die berg. So hastig en so lastig, bobejan klim die berg, om die bore te vererg!!!!!!!....." Its part of OUR heritage dude! We sing things like this and we're racist!!!! Go do yourself in!!! The "K" word lives forever!!!!

      SaintBruce - 2011-09-13 19:18

      Go read the judgement - it is the words "kill the boer" - in any language and wherever these are contained that is ruled as hate speech. So if these are contained in a so called 'liberation struggle' song, then that song can be sung WITHOUT those words. Simple. The Liberation is long over so too should these kind of words be over with - so get over it. If our Native society is locked into their History, then go to those places where such a song is sung under the following circumstances: 1) not in a public place 2) not where anyone who may be offended by those words is present 3) not with any member of the media present in an official capacity 4) not in any form of broadcast system including cellphone recording of any kind. 5) with no gestures of weapons or in the context of causing harm to anyone .... then go ahead. The question lies in the intent of such words and they are clear - cause harm to others whom you interpret as 'Boers' , whether they are or not is immaterial as the broad interpretation is = all whites. For the ANC to claim that they are a non-racial organisation and a government that respects the Constitution, then their lack of action surrounding these or any similar words is appalling. I am called a Kaffrarian by Muslims because I don't believe in Allah = heathen in Arabic. I am proud of it as a Christian. I am asked to respect my Government yet they openly trample on the foundation of our democracy, the Constitution. Is that right?

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-13 19:38

      Bantu - more like clinging to the past. At some stage will you start looking forward? You'll never get anywhere with your attitude.

      THE-SRG - 2011-09-13 19:43

      cant get rid of me that easy news twenty four.....hahahahaha

      Bosman - 2011-09-13 20:23

      Its sad that after 17 years of democracy you still feel the need to sing struggle songs. RULING Majortiy of the country still needs struggle songs against the minority?!?!? sad man sad..... Whats interesting is that you never reply. Maybe you speak too soon....Think before you just type random gibberish

      Utopian - 2011-09-13 21:41

      The language used accentuates the lack of knowledge of people who are under the misimpression that they know enough to form conclusions. The law is never "incorrect". Furthermore, in no civilised country in the world will the words "kill the boer" or "kill the whatever" be legally defensible. It has not even been proven that it's a historic song. In both cases the judge implored the parties to bring such evidence and they failed. It appears people are lying to South Africa about the roots of this song. The previous court case was even adjourned to search for such evidence and none could be brought. But then, a certain level of education is needed to comprehend the words "evidence" and "history". If we do not want rule of law then we should dispense with it openly, not insist on its benefits but then coin the law as being "incorrect". Maybe the ANCYL leader should try again to complete his law studies...

      Tolerant - 2011-09-14 09:07

      The song started to be sung in 1993, then we were well on our way to a full democracy and apartheid laws were already scrapped. It was hate speech from the beginning and still is. Some people are making a new danger for SA, the: "wit gevaar".

      Hopefull178 - 2011-09-14 11:07

      @Bantu74 ....I find it so funny that you hold onto your History as if to use it to play a "victom" of your past. What is also funny is that you dont respont back - cat got your toungue...? and lastly that your "kind" found it easy to change our history by renaming all the cities, towns roads etc....removing a history that exsisted happened without Coloured, Indians or any of the other races challenging it. Most of us have the heart to look for the much needed change that our country needed. Most of us, embraced the wonderful freedom that the new rainbow nation brought out in us, and most all of us believe in the spirit of Abuntu. You need to forgive the past and live a bright future - we all have!

      allie - 2011-09-14 11:13

      Bantoe AH X 74,Do you want me to compose a song about your cowardly loss at Bloodriver? All history my ou.Are you okes going to "struggle" forever.When you talk about struggle,it always bring worms in a ball of crap to mind.

      charley - 2011-09-14 13:21

      You just said it, 'it's history', now live with the past on get on with the future. There is no struggle any more. The whites give it on a plate to you blacks.

      Oldbuck - 2011-09-14 17:39

      malema was using the song to stir up harered among the youth,and the youth being the undereducated halfwits we know them to be would most certainly believe him,now this fine upstanding and might i add fine figure of a man feels he was hard done by.YOU MUST BE SHITTING ME

      hls - 2011-09-15 13:43

      @desertrat: Dont know why you keep referring to Bobbejaan klim die berg. This song is not (and never was) aimed at black people. If it was aimed at black people (and sung by white racists) why then would the second verse read "hoera vir die jollie bobbejaan", why would a white racist cheer a black person by saying "hoera"?

      Derek - 2011-09-15 14:01

      Sad history if you need to sing about killing fellow South Africans and calling them rapists in our new democracy. By the way please name one Afrikaner convicted of rape in the last 12 months{and longer}

  • letsee - 2011-09-13 17:41

    I don't know how to distinguish heritage that meant the lyrics in the past from the meaning of the lyrics today. I think that the ANC is streching the interpretation.

  • LuvBug7 - 2011-09-13 17:45

    If the ANC feels so vehemently that they should be allowed to sing "Shoot the Boer" then, by the same argument, right-leaning citizens should be allowed to sing the old anthem and wave the old flag. Are these not the Afrikaners "heritage and history"? Why is it that when black people sing "shoot the boer" it's heritage, when white people wave the old flag its racism? Oh, I forgot - only white people can be racist.

      Buitelander - 2011-09-14 09:09

      Yes and the rugby supporters should be allowed to display the old flag at ALL games. The soccer supporters can then sing the song at the ir games and we can get the whole country polarised.

  • Danny - 2011-09-13 17:45

    I cannot believe that in this day and age anyone in their right mind would want to sing a song like that. That the ANC wants to appeal the ruling speaks volumes about what the ANC really wants for this country; racial polarisation and hatred! This song may have had significance 20 years ago but it is irrelevant today.

      Charles Kane - 2011-09-13 17:56

      The ANC doesn't want racial polarisation and hatred. It's just that many in the ANC do not care if that is the result. Petty, small men with axes to grind, mostly after personal power. Anyone who has studied post colonial Africa or South America can spot these potential monsters a mile away but poor uneducated people hail them as heroes. It's that easy and they know it. I wish we had a Ghandi, a Martin Luther King or Mandelas and Tutus.

      Colin - 2011-09-13 20:14

      actually the anc does want racial polarisation, its called divide and conquer

      Michelle - 2011-09-14 16:32

      If you go and look on the Genocide Watch List, you will see that the world already thinks that we are past the polarisation stage. We are now rated 6 out 7 on that list. The ANC has already achieved polarisation.

  • Mabhulwana - 2011-09-13 17:52

    "Samwu would support the ANC in appealing against the ban." This is the paradox of our politiks. I happen to be a Samwu member. That makes me a member of COSATU and by extension the ANC.

      ChumScrubber - 2011-09-13 19:41

      The ANC loves this song because they know it upsets white people - nothing at all to do with heritage. Carry on then, the consequences won't be positive for anybody - but do you guys have a positive brain cell in your heads?

      sa4ever - 2011-09-13 19:53

      @ChumScrubber: what the hell idiot! I'm white, and I feel your comment is not asked for. you guys???? you cant see all black people in the same light!! A lot of them have a lot more brain cells than you and thats a fact I can see by just reading your comment!!!

      Bobby Rosewood - 2011-09-13 22:46

      I agree, what have labour organisations got to do with items like these? Its not labour related. Get to work! To make sure more people are employed, work well, get a decent & fair salary & make our economy grow, so that more jobs are created. That your purpose. Stop doing politics, we've got plenty professional politicians!

  • Hurter van Breda - 2011-09-13 17:56

    I'm sorry but to say that there are certain circumstances in which the song can be justified is like saying it's OK for me to use the hateful k-word around the braai just not at work. Wrong is wrong there are no better or lesser context, period.

      Stouteboude - 2011-09-13 18:15

      It should only be sung at home and only in front of your own children.

      euro-african - 2011-09-13 19:17

      Context is very valuable here. The racist jelly tsotsi using the song to incite violence against white people - Unacceptable. Parents teaching their children about the struggle and songs they sang - acceptable. I feel this is what the DA meant and what the anc have to understand.

      gobsmacked2 - 2011-09-14 06:47

      I don't agree, Stouteboude. It should not be sung at ALL. Singing it 'at home and in front of your children' reinforces the whole problem. And then, who's going to stop the childen singing it at school, in the park, in the streets.. wherever? Children are funny like that, they sing songs they've heard, even if they don't know the meaning/context. But believe me, after they've heard/sung it enough (or even just once), they're going to assume that shooting/killing the "boer" means shoot/kill the "boer" and that it also means the "boer" is bad. Boer meaning all whites of course - because these children will not be able to differentiate between an Afrikaans farmer and the English/French/Italian/Spanish/German/American/Australian/New Zealanders etc etc etc. As, I'm 100% sure, the people (youth, HA) currently singing the song do not differentiate either.

      Northern Stormer - 2011-09-14 07:15

      @Hurter van breda - By implication that is what is correct by law. The "K" word is only racist once used in public and only when heard by others who are offended by it. If used in private it is not racist or hate speech at all. I don't understand this way of thinking but it is something I picked up through a recent article by Ferdie Greyling in Beeld newspaper. It baffles me ??? Something can only be wrong or only be right - there is no midway but then is the "K" word, the old RSA flag and the old Anthem not part of the culture of the average SA citizen older than 25 - yes it is yet we are denied for useing/displaying it at all times - Funny thinkong ??

      DW - 2011-09-14 08:13

      Yes Hurter, you are right. But I still hear the K-word being used around the braai, even though it is hateful and unacceptable. Be the change you want to see people.

      Stouteboude - 2011-09-14 09:07

      At gobsmacked2 - sarcasm? or is it satire again?

  • crackerr - 2011-09-13 17:58

    No government can allow the chanting / singing that some of citizens be killed / eliminated / harmed and claim innocence. Culture and history notwithstanding. If you were part of the target group the song is aimed at or a potentially a future target because you are also part of a minority, you would hold the same view. It is not acceptable and that is the end of it. The decision by the court has drawn the boundaries. It is now law. And part of international law. Innocent nostalgia? The person responsible for all this by making use of the song when his alleged indiscretions started making the news, poses in a military style beret for national and other television services for everybody to behold? It is mass instigation for mass murder. Nobody can be so blunt as not to think it.

      Eugene - 2011-09-13 18:13

      I am waiting for the moment that someone will point out that incitement to genocide (towards any groups) was prohibited "under Apartheid", too.

  • Daemos1 - 2011-09-13 17:58

    I think I'm too stupid to understand this, please someone explain to me in simple terms what the DA means

      Odinist - 2011-09-13 18:14

      they are trying to win black majority votes...

      pants - 2011-09-13 18:30

      They are not saying the ruling is wrong in its entirety, rather the specifics of the ruling has flaws.

      Celery - 2011-09-13 20:01

      They are merely pointing out context. The ruling sets a precedent, whereas it should have been (IMHO) focused on Malema's usage of the words to incite violence (intent). Its like banning Rage Against the Machine songs because you dont like their lyrics. I would say and have said the same thing about the De le Rey controversy.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-13 23:01

      - I dont understand the DA's logic - I am highly disappointed with their stance on this.

      SushiBoy2 - 2011-09-14 07:51

      DA is like ANC.

      DW - 2011-09-14 08:23

      Celery, I agree. But I also think AfriForum's approach to the whole thing was wrong. They attacked the wrong principles. I thought they would lose the case based on this. That the judge agreed with them will eventually be moot, as I have no doubt that the Juju/ANC will win this on appeal. Afriforum should have attacked Juju's motives for Juju singing it, and also the fact that this song is NOT part of the ANC heritage. It was first sung in 1993 by PAC. Their premise that white farmers feel threatened was not a strong argument. When the K-word is attacked in court, it is because it IS used as a tool for hatred. You dont call someone a K*** unless you MEAN to insult them. Its not just said as a colloquialism any more. It IS possible to sing songs without taking cognisance of the lyrics. The singing of the song by Juju, in context of HIS signing of it should have been the basis of the prosecution.

      Daemos1 - 2011-09-14 10:50

      understood, thanks guys

      realvictim - 2011-09-14 11:38

      @DW. well put.

  • StoneAngel - 2011-09-13 18:00

    I am sure that there are many white farmers who would argue that they would like to kill when they hear the song - that would mean that it incites violence. It seems that the matter is always looked at from the position that blacks will run off and kill the very people who keep us all fed ( thank you all farmers out there) but seldom from the farmers/whites side to incite violence.

  • Juggernaut - 2011-09-13 18:01

    "This song is part of our heritage and history of our struggle," Fair enough so put it in a museum. Then go forward with a new civilized heritage and grow as an organisation and people.......or do you forever want to live in the past?

      realvictim - 2011-09-14 11:40

      Well put.

      moreso - 2011-09-15 16:09

      "This song is part of our strategy to divide and conquer South Africa."

  • george60 - 2011-09-13 18:03

    This conclusion by the court will not stop this hatred song which is part of their struggle. was a waste of money. But can somebody tell me what went wrong they have been running the country for almost 17 years and they are still struggle with themselves?

      Northern Stormer - 2011-09-14 07:21

      My friend there is no more struggle for many years. They like to refer to the struggle because it hands them the right of way to many things that would never have been allowed. And secondly, these youngsters now claiming to fight for the struggle of the people of SA was not even born when the actual struggle took place but once again it is convenient to "struggle" . Like the old SA flag, the old Anthem, the "K" word this song of culture belong in a museum behind glass doors as it is outdated.Hopefully not in the same cupboard at all - LOL !!!

  • dappies - 2011-09-13 18:05

    Surely ones entire heritage and history can't be hanging on a thin thread of only a song? Especially not when this song contains words such as "shoot the boer". Their history still stands, regardless of this song. Is "shooting the boer" really the only way to remember where one comes from? If so, then I have learnt a new thing about this world.

  • Malcop - 2011-09-13 18:06

    SRG, I think it would be pointless to start singing kill the black. Using the "K" word is equally pointless. We should avoid acting like Julius Malema at all costs. The man/boy, is an idiot, and to seek to act in the same or similar manner, would be a personal insult to our own intelligence.

  • Nasdaq7 - 2011-09-13 18:07

    My friends the DA is clueless on how to run this country. I've written to the DA telling them they should stand up against Malema's hate speech. "They responded that they are a multi-racial party and they don't involve themselves with racial issues involving minorities."

      sa4ever - 2011-09-13 19:58

      the DA is the best and only party that can rule this country!! They are for white,black,brown everybody, not like the ANC thats just for black interest end vryheidsfront only for white, the want the best for all south africans!!! DA the only party for the future!

      DW - 2011-09-14 08:31

      Nasdaq, the DA are absolutely right. If you have an argument against someone on the basis of race, take it up with them yourself. Dont expect the DA to fight these types of battles for you. The DA is here to try to improve life for ALL people, regardless of race. The same cannot be said for the ANC, as the very people who represent them (politicians) are the ones who incite racial hatred. But the DA will not stoop to their level.

  • indgro - 2011-09-13 18:07

    If singing songs of your country's past is always acceptable then german neo-nazis could openly sing nazi (or wehrmacht) songs since it is part of their german heritage. Except they cannot, since it instills hatred. Same thing in South Africa. You could sing it at the time of the struggle, but now it is not applicable and instills hatred. Goes for both black & white ppl's songs. You cannot deny the songs as part of our history, but they were tools used by both sides at that time and their function has expired.

  • Vic - 2011-09-13 18:11

    "Smuts said the DA thought Lamont's ruling was wrong because it extended the ban to all persons in all circumstances." So what are the circumstances when calling for GENOCIDE are acceptable? SA is already on Level 6 of 8 on Genocide Watch. This is why I will NEVER vote DA!

      SA_Mizdat - 2011-09-13 19:17

      Absolutely. Clearly the idiot, a..sskissing liberals of the DA can imagine circumstances in which it's acceptable to call for genocide. Funny, that, given the large number of Jews in the DA. How would they react to a Neo-Nazi recommending that Jews be exterminated, I wonder?

      sa4ever - 2011-09-13 20:22

      so you just vote for a small party, so your vote means nothing! a vote for a small party and not for the DA is basicly a vote for the ANC! very intelegent, VIC!! go and read the article again and this time try and understand it!

      bj - 2011-09-13 21:00

      You clearly do not understand what the DA are saying. The song is a part of history and thus it cannot be outright banned. For example people who lived and fought through the struggle should be allowed to tell their children about their memories and the songs that they sang. HOWEVER, the song should most definitely not be used in the context in which Malema used it, that is in public and to incite violence, as this constitutes hate speech.

      White Oak - 2011-09-14 06:03

      sa4ever, liberal much? A vote for the DA is a vote for the ANC - policies are the same, values are the same, the only differnce is there are white men in charge which equates to improved work output through proper planning. It is not a party that cares about western/white morals and standards. It is there to confuse the electorate. Singing about extermination of ANY part of the society is WRONG.Period. Voting for the DA just because you hate the ANC is plain stupid.The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.

  • Odinist - 2011-09-13 18:13

    guns have no part in your history, why dont you sing ''spear the boer'' and i shall sing a song about the next blood river

      pitbull - 2011-09-15 05:24

      Old pensions are R1140 per month. Another good reason for a pissed off retired person to kill a politician. At least in prison you get food, bed, medical, entertainment, the kids come to visit as often as the do anyway, AND at the end of it free burial. I say let us old penniless people each kill a politician. I bag Zuma.

  • Janine - 2011-09-13 18:16

    I am baffled by how people complain about Julius being racist and then respond by saying that they will use the "k" word. Does this not mean that they are sinking to his level? Surely we are more mature than that? What this country needs is less racism, not more.

      LuLuBug - 2011-09-13 18:41

      Janine, unfortunately the likes of Malema, actually CAUSE Racism! And Afrikaners WILL retaliate!!! What were they before whites!!??? See? I am just one person affected, thousands are going to feel this way...

      Alex Dowding - 2011-09-13 19:29

      Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.

      Colin - 2011-09-13 20:18

      how long are the anc allow to discriminate against us and kill us before we retaliate or should we just go sit in a corner and feel sorry for ourselves?

      Durbsdude - 2011-09-14 06:42


      moreso - 2011-09-15 16:13

      @Alex Dowding, yeah and the pen is mightier than the sword?

      Jamesons - 2011-09-15 17:57

      Tell our goverment that, they are feeding it to us people.

  • Hetrohero - 2011-09-13 18:22

    They just hope to get more black votes now. Brilliant. LOL

  • David - 2011-09-13 18:24

    Gee guys and girls is it not time that everyone spent more time on putting the problems we have first instead of going on and on about things in the past if everyone put as much energy into putting things right they would not have time to spend on this sort of nonsense Malema is an absolute tyrant and should be in a place for lunatics. Come on people wake up and move forward

      vegetarian - 2011-09-13 18:31

      Do you even know what the word tyrant means. No one can be a tyrant if he is not exercising power. Over whom does Malema exercise power?

      Colin - 2011-09-13 20:19

      his mindless minions and jz to name a few

      colourblind2 - 2011-09-14 12:51

      Um, Veggie, it seems Malema is exercising power over the youth, gullible and ingnorant people and JZ. Are you living under a rock, news slow to get to you?

  • shaun.botsis - 2011-09-13 18:32

    Its easy to put words out of context. The way malema was doing it made people feel uneasy, it was about timing and his aggressive attitude. All he had to do was acknowledge the feelings of the people which were hurt, realize there is a time and place for a song like that to be sung as well as a way to sing it and move on. But unfortunately that is not the way the boy operates.

  • Jack_Parow - 2011-09-13 18:32

    hmmm, im not convinced by any party. cant we just all get along?! :/

      flummoxed - 2011-09-13 18:40

      In an ideal world it would be bliss to get along but alas one Malema plus a Scott ruins it for all of us.

      Desertrat - 2011-09-13 20:09

      Its clear! NO! One bunch can do stuff and the other...well how dare you? We as Afrikaaners also have a heritage! And we use colloquial expressions. As we have for years. De La Rey? ITS RACIST?????? &^%$&ck them forever!!!!!

  • Phelan Wulf - 2011-09-13 18:37

    I don't agree with the song. But i also don't agree with the ruling. Freedom of speech is in our constitution. But is is a dual edged sword. If you demand freedom of speech, then you cannot deny it to others. Simple as that

      Colin - 2011-09-13 20:22

      no freedom of speech is limited if its incites hatred such as kill the boer, either stick to the laws or declare it a free for all

  • Steve Wonderboy - 2011-09-13 18:40

    Cannibalism is also part of some people's culture. Care to become part of the menu? What I don't understand is that in everyday life if you fight someone and win, you celebrate your victory and move on. You don't make up songs to ridicule your beaten foe or keep rubbing in the fact that you won in your opponents face. There is a time and a place for everything. If you truly wish to celebrate your history why not sing songs of all the great accomplishments of black people? If you insist on singing this repulsive "song" why not do it in your own home as part of a story where you can recite why it is so important to you to your family? Isn't that a much better way of maintaining your history than threatening and trying to intimidate people? Sooner or later this "struggle song" is going to cause a whole lot of bloodshed for no better reason than one idiot's arrogance.

  • AncientGeek - 2011-09-13 18:51

    Imagine you were a a bunch WW2 veterans an you went to the beer halls of Munchen to sing your culturally significant song "Kill the German, Kill the Hun", part of your heritage. Would it go down as well as the German beer? I think not. WW2 is over, the Germans are amongst out best friends, time to move on.

      Jamesons - 2011-09-15 18:06

      But the ANC supportes to stupid to move on.

  • linda.l.mndayi - 2011-09-13 18:55

    Dann, first I stopped voting, now realising that was shortsighted, me thinks if the DA gets darker at the top, they may just have my vote

      Colin - 2011-09-13 20:23

      but jm is gonna miss you

      sa4ever - 2011-09-13 20:40

      DA is the answer!! for ALL south africans!!

      Vabond - 2011-09-14 07:53

      Wait for it dude all good things take time. Half of the DA's YL is black and young but also highly qualified individuals.

      Jamesons - 2011-09-15 18:09

      Exactly, the DAYL have educated people in their cabinet, black, white, colourd and is a party for All. Not like the uneducated ancyl coming forward into the ANC

  • Noah - 2011-09-13 18:57

    If only the whole world could just unite and stop fighting,stop singing dividing songs,only preach peace and love, most of our leadres would be rememdered for good deeds.i always pray for peace!!!!

  • LuLuBug - 2011-09-13 19:19

    I keep getting wiped off, but here goes again!! Uit die blou van onse hemel, uit die dieptes van ons see.........

  • euro-african - 2011-09-13 19:22

    Context is very valuable here. The racist fascist jelly tsotsi using the song to incite violence against white people - Unacceptable. Parents teaching their children about the struggle and songs they sang - acceptable. I feel this is what the DA meant and what the anc have to understand.

  • A View - 2011-09-13 19:26

    The responses are quite interesting to this ruling. The way I interpret the ruling is that the song may have been relevant during the liberation years but today in the light of nation building it mayt not necessarily be relevant any longer. This does not imply that history or memeory is seen to be re-written or expunged from those to whom it was relevant, but that it belongs to history. History is exactly that history an event or process that transpired yesterday but that today we need to find new events and processes that contribute to nation building. I just wish that we as a nation could look forwards and levae history to history that we can reflect on and learn from but please lets not live in yesterday lets create the future together.

  • William - 2011-09-13 19:27

    please, please everyone, leave poor julius malema alone now............ ON SEAL ISLAND!!!!

      LuLuBug - 2011-09-13 19:31

      On seal island?? What about in a deep, old mineshaft?

      Mystre - 2011-09-13 19:44

      leave him just off of seal island, in the water somewhere

  • Mystre - 2011-09-13 19:33

    K-bomb, its about class, not race.

  • Zvatakaramba - 2011-09-13 19:35

    all this business is petty.. all white people know that the black people are where they are because the of apartheid and colonialism..Black people like playing victim every time. So the concept of a rainbow nation still remains an ideology..if no bridge is found, this ideology will die a slow death. The nation is not built by focusing on Malema (as Afriforum does) or by stretching the truth as the ANC does. The Afrikaners and some white people think that wounds of apartheid can simply be solved by having a TRC or by claiming that we are now a “rainbow nation” or by a new constitution. Most of them take the every use these forums for racist slur which they cannot say in public... SA should be sensitive to the people of SA – black or white...court battles dig into wounds especially when so many people gloat on it...

      Vabond - 2011-09-14 07:55

      So wise one what should white people do to delete Apartheid and colonialism???????

  • Agent Bastad - 2011-09-13 19:47

    The song is part of the struggle and heritage of the ANC, not of the country. No political party can promote it's own heritage above that of the country as a whole.

  • JudithNkwe - 2011-09-13 19:51

    The reservations around banning a song are correct as we are protecting free speech. It is the intent that is up for consideration - Malema is increasingly genocidal in his pronouncements. This is of major concern. Does he want a white massacre? Because, if he does, based on his speeches, then he will make South Africa a pariah and destroy our country. This will be a tragedy for everyone

  • Michelle - 2011-09-13 19:54

    For crying out loud. If the DA says that, then where is this country going to?? Since when do the DA stand on the same side as the ANC. 'Shoot the Boer' should then be changed to 'Shoot the DA' and then lets see what the DA would have to say about that. Come on, hate speech is hate speech. Doesn't matter who you look at. The DA is fast becoming a racist party against its own people. I am sorry to say that I voted for them? I would rather have voted for another party that is more worried about the state the country is in than how they look to the ANC? DA is the opposing party to the ANC, please start acting like it and not as though you are in cahoots with them.

      sa4ever - 2011-09-13 20:59

      michelle from a fellow white afrikaans woman, please go and read the article again, becuase I dont think you realy understand what the DA said. they have a problem with the procedures and what this means for freedom of speech in the future. They do say that what malema did was wrong and that his intensions was hatred agaisnt white people, so they agree it is wrong in the way malema used it.please read the article again, and please dont stop voting for the DA becuase avery vote that goes to a small party goes to the ANC< because it makes the oppisition smaller!!!

      sa4ever - 2011-09-13 21:06

      They do one thing wrong, ( in your opinion) and now you want to vote against them, tipical of us whites in South Africa always pessimistic! they are looking at this judgement in a legal point of view,, go and read it again than u will see that they do say they are totally agianst what Malema is doing and that u cant sing it in public.

      Michelle - 2011-09-14 16:55

      if you are a true south african and voted for the DA, you would see that their underlying comment in the article is that they don't see that there was enough evidence to rule it as a hate speech. And the only reason for this is that they are appealing to the majority of all voters.

  • Obama - 2011-09-13 19:59

    I've read the first few comments on this story and most of them can be called Hate Speech and yet it seems acceptable to the authors. In any war, there's always something or someone that starts it. And the racial war in South Africa was started by White folks. Whether they care to admit it or not, its a FACT! And yet, with this FACT in mind, it still surprising to them that Black folks are still this resentful and angry. Majority of white folks honestly dont see anything wrong with the country's history. For them, its just normal to have had a group of people OPENLY oppress another group of people, based only on color! And yet they expect Black folks to simply be ok. Well, I can tell you now, black folks ARE NOT OK!!! Juju speaks for a majority of Black people and if violence is what it takes to get white folks to take us serious, then so be it!! And if silenced, another just like him will rise and they will continue to rise.

      Vabond - 2011-09-14 08:06

      So tell me what should white people do??? And white children born after 2000???? Please tell me!! So I guess you still believe the Germans are racists and white supremacists. Get over yourself and move on. Your hate and promised violence against innocent white people(most of the old NP rulers are either dead or close to it) will only cause the rest of the world to label you as bloodthirsty racists. The same way you have labeled white people will be used to label you!!

      Samantha - 2011-09-14 08:11

      How sad for you. It must be exhausting to hold onto all that hatred.

      cookEmonster - 2011-09-14 08:55

      Tell me Obama, why do you care so much what white people think of you? You hate us, but you want us to like you....huh? How do you know what the majority of white people think? Did you ask them? I think it's time for people like you to grow a pair and realize you are responsable for your own future. The world doesn't owe anyone anything. Maybe if you STOP WITH THE F*CKING VIOLENCE people will start taking you seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      pants - 2011-09-14 12:31

      Obama whether you like it or not you cannot deny the fact, as painful as it might be, but black people in South Africa have it better than in any other African country even under apartheid.

      Karien - 2011-09-14 13:17

      Your promotion of violence against whites is an example of past sentiments that had inspired a strong motivation to install appartheid in the first place. You are simply providing the still pro-appartheid whites with confirmation of their sentiments regarding the "swart gevaar". Appartheid was founded with the intent to protect whites against black violence primarily and formed a substantial basis of the reasoning when appartheid was proposed to Brittian before RSA independence in 1962. Don't prove the point!

      Gregoir - 2011-09-14 13:58

      Truth is when Afrikaners travelled north to escape British opression in the Cape, They stumbled upon the Zulus. Boers being peaceloving people(They left everything and ran away instead of trying to fight the Bristish)they Firstly thought of a chance to trade with these people. Unfortunately the Zulus and there Mfecane had been going on for a while, and being the bloodthirsty people the were, they attacked and killed many Boers in those first encounters, WITHOUT provocation. YOU blacks Killed US first many decades ago. Once word had travelled of the black murderers roaming inland towards where the Boers where trekking, the Boers had to defend themselves and hatred grew quickly towards these people that bash babies heads on the wagon spokes, killing woman and children and even the animals. After the first few encounters the Boers started fighting back and the people must have realized that this white man don't die so easily after all. So in conclusion, when looking back far enough BLACKS killed whites FIRST. The racial war was in fact started by YOUR race Obama. This is general knowledge amongst most Afrikaners and is absolute fact. Having said that I would like to add that I'm not racist. I would just love it if people could get facts right. Even though blacks started the killing, it is no excuse for the atrocities of apartheid. I was 12 in '94 btw. Even so, I would like to sincerely apologize for atrocities of apartheid my friend.

      Gregoir - 2011-09-14 13:59

      News24 plz do not delete my comments. Everything I said is true and no bad words harsh language or insults! Can't stand the truth?

  • FThomos - 2011-09-13 20:05

    if we were thinking that blacks and white are together as one nation we were wrong check now if they say that was a hate speech dont you think they are true criminals WHY do they want to us to forget our memories at least DA this is a right direction that wasnt a hate speech

      crackerr - 2011-09-13 20:18

      Nobody is trying to make anybody forget their past. But we cannot have some singing and chanting that others be killed, especially not in the emotionally laded manner that Malema led the proceedings. If others start singing / chanting it about you and your group you would appreciate why it has to be stopped.

  • Gavin - 2011-09-13 20:14

    DA - how can you say that "shoot the boer" does not incite violence? How did you test this theory of yours against the backdrop of countless and senseless farm murders and unacceptable levels of crime! Your statement is without substance. Let us substitute the word BOER with BLACK, now what?? I can't believe there is actually a debate of what is and isn't hate speech! These words in the HANDS OF MALEMA, given his open declaration of war against whites, is hate speech!

  • Philip Rubin - 2011-09-13 20:16

    To those who say its 'part of our history' I say 2 things: 1) Todays teens dont know that history, they didn't experience it, yet they are hearing those words of aggression and violence. The issue is that people may misinterpret the those words and misuse them. Is ol Juju bothering to explain every time he sings it, 'err, we dont really mean it like that, its just a figure of speech'? I guess not. 2) Afrikaners may just as well say that the changes of street names and city names is also negating THEIR history and culture! So where to? A blanket ban on all preaching of violence, negativity etc. lets move FORWARD.

  • Yislaaik - 2011-09-13 20:23

    I'm looking for a composer to do some music for my new song... 'Bring back Wouter Basson' No harm meant, it will be a simple traditional song with no ill intent at all.

  • Mystre - 2011-09-13 20:25

    The people of this country. Are tremendously stupid. I'm starting to believe that South Africa has a lower overall IQ than America.

      Point Blank - 2011-09-13 20:39

      You call us stupid but your punctuation and sentence structure is that of a 6 year old? Ok then..

  • Point Blank - 2011-09-13 20:40

    Ooo look, racists calling racists

  • Olavin - 2011-09-13 21:11

    I don't know much about this particular song, but it sounds like a song that was claimed to be used in a struggle, which ended in 1994, is now being used by extremist Malema as a song for vengeance.

  • johnnymacza - 2011-09-13 21:13

    somebody be really confused.

  • Prefect - 2011-09-13 21:29

    My question is if this song amounts to hate speach, then calling some1 the K word is hate speach, and Darren should be looking at a fine at the very least! otherwise we are looking at some MAJOR double standards

  • teresavh - 2011-09-13 21:36

    The struggle is over!! Don't you get that???

  • cpdennis1 - 2011-09-13 21:39

    There is no struggle, there is no revolution, there is just South Africa. Stop all this nonsense and start building the future.