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Malema hearing drags on

2012-02-13 22:38

Johannesburg - A mitigation hearing for ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema and two other league members adjourned on Monday evening, the ANC said.

"The hearings have adjourned and will continue on Thursday," said African National Congress spokesperson Keith Khoza.

Earlier, Khoza said the hearing had finished for the day, but later confirmed that it had continued late into Monday afternoon.

Six hours were set aside on Monday to allow Malema, his spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, and the league's secretary general Sindiso Magaqa an opportunity to argue in mitigation of their suspension from the ruling party.

Khoza said he could not provide details on the applications brought by ANCYL leadership during the hearing.

Earlier in the day, ANC national disciplinary committee chairman Derek Hanekom said the ruling party would also be allowed to argue its case during the hearing.

"The sitting will also receive arguments for aggravating circumstances from the ANC as per the decision of the NDCA [national disciplinary committee of appeals]... the ANC's aggravating argument will also be allocated two hours in total," he said in a statement.

On Sunday, during a closed session of the ANCYL's lekgotla, Malema told delegates he had received a letter from the committee only on Saturday informing him, Shivambu, and Magaqa that they had to be at the mitigation proceedings. Hanekom denied this, saying the NDC and the youth league met on Wednesday, February 8, in a pre-hearing conference and agreed on the date for the mitigation and aggravating arguments.

"Secondly, we want to place on record that formal letters were sent to each individual on Thursday, February 9 to confirm the sitting," Hanekom said.

He said the NDC wanted to correct "misleading" statements that the ANCYL leaders were charged for calling for the nationalisation of mines, expropriation of land, and "economic freedom".

"At no stage were these issues a factor in the current cases. Any argument suggesting that the hearings at any stage had anything to do with these issues is devoid of any truth."

Last Saturday, the ANC's appeals committee announced that attempts by Malema, Shivambu, Magaqa and three other ANCYL officials to have the guilty verdicts against them overturned were dismissed.

They were found guilty in November last year of bringing the ANC into disrepute and of sowing division in the party.

This was after they made comments about regime change in Botswana, undermined Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba's authority, insulted a journalist, and compared President Jacob Zuma unfavourably to his predecessor Thabo Mbeki.

Comments
  • colin.dovey - 2012-02-13 22:59

    Wish he would just DRY up and blow away now....forever....South Africans deserve much better than this Soap Opera

      Vusi - 2012-02-13 23:16

      Xavier the gossip is he is fighting to stay out of jail. Apparently he is involved in some R400 Million worth of corrupt tenders.

      Silvana - 2012-02-14 05:49

      @Vusi. The scary thing is, that if he is prosecuted for fraud, his followers will view him as a martyr. They are not educated enough to understand the concept of fraud and tax evasion.

      Sean - 2012-02-14 07:25

      @Vusi, well I hope that they prosecute him for the fraud. If this goes through, which i do doubt, but lets say it does, they will have set a precident and as such any political party member can now be charged and found guilty and trust me me there are a lot of them. Ask yourself this, where did the likes of Zuma, Mandela's grandson etc etc get their cash from? They sure as hell did not work for it, they stole it from the tax payers

      Moss - 2012-02-14 07:29

      We will die for him!! loot, what loot?

      Moss - 2012-02-14 07:33

      Jokes aside, you mark my words, He will be our president one day. Ignore him at your own perill. dont let hatred blind you, be objective and see the brave man who rose into much talked about in our political history. As for corruption, nothing will link him with the tenders, he's too clever for that.

      Mike - 2012-02-14 07:43

      So much for the six hours!?! Shall we try for six months???

      Mike - 2012-02-14 07:47

      @moziz: You may be right, but where your "brave", "man" and "clever" fits in is way above my head!! Are there Pedi words for the above?

      frans.visserdsb - 2012-02-14 08:04

      Moziz - the most disturbing thing about your post is that you don't deny that he was involved in corruption, but that he won't be caught because he's too clever... so it's ok to be corrupt, as long as you don't get caught? You seem to admire him for that... Does the idea of a president who is corrupt not frighten you? oh, wait... i forget. We allready have one...

      Moss - 2012-02-14 08:36

      @Frans, Haha, we already have a sitting president. @Mike yes we do have them in Pedi. clever- hlalefa, brave-bohlale. Honestly we need a very strong and convincing opposition in SA,problem with DA is they don't really appeal to poor. they are even struggling to convince the middle class!

      Mike - 2012-02-14 08:51

      @moziz: Thanks! Add this one: "Limpopo - mahala"

      Moss - 2012-02-14 09:18

      @ Mike, thats self explanatory!! I'm from Limpopo as well and I have attended few tender briefs and in most cases it was just a waste of my time. I decided to leave the tender world and go into something which can engage my brain rather than fighting to build shrinking RDP's. Limpz is way better according to my knowledge in terms of corruption, go to NW, NC and KZN. this provinces make the Limpopo elite look like teens I tell you

      procold2 - 2012-02-14 09:27

      confusion surrounds the hearings, the whole lot including the ANC is confused

      Hugh - 2012-02-14 10:01

      As someones previous comments perfectly reflects " like a turd that won't flush"

      FlowingRivers - 2012-02-14 10:12

      They will bring him back...........he's to well connected for these imperial dogs to flush away. All u small boys who bring him down now are going to be very surprised.......so enjoy ur short fun in the sun, cos when Malema comes back ,he's going to make u jump !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • John - 2012-02-13 23:01

    When this edition of "Zamma Zamma" will ends?

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 07:06

      Epedition is not an African endeavour .... time is of no consequence.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-14 07:40

      We will read about this in a year again. "Malema's appeal to the Constitutional Court to be heard in January 2013." After that, their is the international court in the Hague. We will not hear the end of this. He will be in and out of court for the next five years and then his suspension will be over for him to continue plundering from the poor.

      Merven - 2012-02-14 08:03

      When they agreed on the 'settlement' bribe from Juliarse to stay in power.

      Max - 2012-02-14 08:11

      I think we all know by now that this clown is going to stay, we are just waiting to see with what pathetic excuse the ANC will come up to explain their decision to go back on their word this time around.

  • Blip - 2012-02-13 23:34

    Why doesn't the ANC know when the hearing they themselves adjourned will be resumed? One assumes it will resume on the following day, surely?

      Anthony - 2012-02-14 01:31

      good question blip --but dont forget this is the anc and anything is possible

      Edith - 2012-02-14 06:13

      Keith Khoza said the hearing will continue on Thursday.

      Lionel - 2012-02-14 07:16

      What do you expect from the dancing and singing brigade, as Moloetsi Mbeki calls them? They couldn't even organise their centenary celebrations properly. The only thing the ANC are good at is, screwing their buddies over, when the trough gets too small for their collective snouts.

      Archie - 2012-02-14 07:53

      Ramaphosa is a major business man and cannot just be available for over runs on time allocated to the hearing,unlike lawyers who get paid by the hour.He can see what a bunch of twits are wasting his time.

  • Marius - 2012-02-13 23:36

    He is a wounded animal now. And he will put a fight.

  • ReunionofIntelligentMinds - 2012-02-14 00:35

    ANC to scared of malema?

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-02-14 00:51

    Long live Malema ...aluta continua ...unga pheli moya sonny

      Silvana - 2012-02-14 05:52

      Yes, with a cabbage leaf and a piece of string.

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-14 07:11

      Ha ha - inkunzi izophela namthla!

  • Scouter - 2012-02-14 02:02

    Why do I get the impression that this farce has degenerated into a negotiation? All is not what it might seem, methinks.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-02-14 05:22

    so if they were given 6 hours why is it still goiing on? Surely a time limit specifically sets a end time. Why all this special treatment the tribe spoke and his flame must go out... Malema you are the weakest link goodbye

      Moss - 2012-02-14 08:45

      At first it was 2 hrs hey, then 6 hrs, then another 48 hrs!! then political solution haa

  • Silvana - 2012-02-14 05:45

    SOS Hearing after hearing, appeal after appeal = no decision, no outcome.

  • tsepod - 2012-02-14 05:46

    dis is a political conspiracy. mbheki never did dis 2 atonomy of yl.malematells da trueth lyk it is. we blck we r reconciling with white bbs n yet they want their own island. botswana is a british colony!

      Silvana - 2012-02-14 06:01

      Is dis Esperanto or da new official language?

      Steve - 2012-02-14 06:21

      WTF??? This is not a damn SMS line... Idiot!

      ben.nel2 - 2012-02-14 06:27

      What colour is the sky on your planet?

      Roy - 2012-02-14 06:31

      where did you learn this crap? Go back to school and don't depend on your masters to look after you.

      makesuthink - 2012-02-14 07:02

      tsepod wt u on abtcn u cgh fgh akaag shfsr Cannot understand? now you know what it feels like my pet chimp speaks better english than you

      Nigel - 2012-02-14 07:15

      just goes to show education is the problem with malema followers

      Jeremy - 2012-02-14 09:24

      Oh great hero of the revolution, all hail to such amazing knowledge. Embarresingly enough, Botswana was NEVER a British colony, it only managed protectorate status. It seems the folk there rather liked the idea of partnership development, which clearly shows today with one of the healthiest economies in Africa, little racism, good medicine and most of all NATIONAL PRIDE. Unlike your tinpot banana bunch more interested in gravy. Should be called the Bisto party.

  • anthro45 - 2012-02-14 06:47

    ANC = BIG CONFUSION

  • Joe - 2012-02-14 06:55

    If the corrupt tenders rumour is correct, I cannot see how any negotiation at this hearing can be entertained. I doubt if Malema alone is involved, Shivambu and co. would have to be aware of this. This should be a police matter, besides, if there is a hint of corruption the individuals concerned should be suspended until an investigation is concluded. No negotiation is required.

      Lionel - 2012-02-14 07:19

      The whole bangshoot are corrupt - the only issue here is power.

      Archie - 2012-02-14 08:03

      Only in the real world,here the corruption goes very high and is an accepted form of trade in local gov,(you buy the tender and dont have to do the work)That is how completely unqualified tenderpreneurs take our tax money and blow it with no go to jail consequences

  • Marion - 2012-02-14 06:55

    One of the variations of 'round and round the mulberry bush' just for you Julius: I've no time to plead and pine I've no time to wheedle Kiss me quick, and then I'm gone Pop! Goes the weasel" Except in your case it may be the watch(es) that pop in order to maintain your excessive lifestyle.

      Roy - 2012-02-14 07:17

      Marion please do not tell Malema to "Kiss me quick" he might just try.

      Marion - 2012-02-14 07:28

      LOL Roy...

      Roy - 2012-02-14 07:37

      With those lips he could kiss the world goodbye

  • naude.andrea - 2012-02-14 07:22

    I wish we can now for ever get a country without this non-stop garbage called Malema. Please move on to other news as well because this clown will keep on mumbo-jumbo and lying to everybody to save his skin. Grow up Malema.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-02-14 07:29

    please let it all end we are so tired of this uneducated, ill diciplinned,uncultered idiot

  • Phumi - 2012-02-14 07:30

    If needs be we will drag this case until it reaches Mangaung where the real leaders of the ANC will have a say! As far as I'm conserned these trumped up charges persecuted by this kangaroo NDC should not be recognised. It is a political wich-hunt and a sponsored agenda by those with narrow political interests of clinging into power who are also collaborating with the enemies of economic freedom an land exproriation without compansastion! Victory is certain comrades and we will win this war! Amandla!!

      Romain Bredenkamp - 2012-02-14 07:35

      Really? Are u that thick? Wait don't answer that.

      Roy - 2012-02-14 07:42

      And you and your ilk will do the same as what is happening in the rest of Africa and you will turn to "the enemies of economic freedom" to help you out of the crap

      Gerhard - 2012-02-14 07:50

      There goes that economic freedom crap again. Economic freedom is obviously when you sit on your @rse the whole day and someone gives you money for doing that. And you go get your land but having two goats and four chickens will not make you a farmer. Farmers have to work. And there lies the problem because economic freedom means you want to sit around the whole day picking your nose.

      Archie - 2012-02-14 08:12

      If he his guilty of stealing tax money is he still your hero?

      Gerhard - 2012-02-14 08:19

      Of course Archie, Phumi does not pay tax because she does not have a job. So therefore, by her reasoning, he is not stealing from her. Don't you know that only white people pay tax because we all own farms?

      Jeremy - 2012-02-14 09:31

      So tell me Phumi, who are the real leaders of the ANC? China? Cuba, I know it used to be Gadiffi but oops. It is great when these Freudian slips come out and we confirm that Zuma and co are just the puppets for the big wheels behind the scene

  • Hein - 2012-02-14 08:04

    I think that their is a good chance that Malema and co would not be found guilty at this hearing, but that is not problem. The problem is that he STOLE from the poor in a province that is now bankrupt. He should not just be suspended, he should go to JAIL. The poor and the uneducated should know the truth, that because he is stealing from them, they don't have jobs or money.

      Eric - 2012-02-14 09:22

      Hein. He was found guilty and the guilty findings was upheld as per the recent tv announcements. What is now happening is mitifating and aggravating against the amount of sentence that they received.

  • 2zbunu - 2012-02-14 08:05

    He is da 1 who never listens. Why did he poke his nose to the foreign politics of Botswana which does not concern him or his country. He ignored lot of our youth problems and jump across the borders, see now whwt he gets. He must learn from this.

  • Elkieta - 2012-02-14 08:34

    Zuma is afraid of Malemma..This will drag on for months.Maybe years...

      Marion - 2012-02-14 10:33

      I don't believe that Zuma is afraid of Malema and I think that the reason they have said only six hours in total is precisely because they want to stop this disciplinary farce from dragging on any longer. Longest disciplinary enquiry in the history of mankind?

  • Theo - 2012-02-14 08:36

    I can't believe that the ANC is actually afraid of Julius "Che Guevara wannabe" Malema. Pathetic. There is no other explanation.

  • Eric - 2012-02-14 09:29

    From the comments that I am reading the majority is anti anc. Some even write in racist tones which shows that they would like to see apartheid back.Anyone one of us writing here would fight our case to the highest level if we believe that "we did not really do anything wrong". this is how the law works in most countries.If Julius was so uneducated why is he able to put up such a fight. Passing woodwork does not make one educated. He has his grade 12 and is studying further. X Time may be set aside for mitigating but mitigating and aggravating cannot be stopped if it takes longer.

      Marion - 2012-02-14 10:40

      @Eric... surely you agree that this is the most drawn out 'disciplinary hearing' that you have heard of? In the workplace one may be represented by a peer and/or a shop steward to present your case. If you are dismissed you can appeal to the CCMA. In this hearing lawyers have been involved from day one and they even have recourse to go to court (not CCMA). I find it all quite confusing if truth be told.

      Mike - 2012-02-14 13:39

      Eric Apartheid never went away.It is here in a reversed mode.How many whites are struggling to find work because of the colour of their skin?

  • Andrew - 2012-02-14 11:52

    How much more time is going to be afforded to this hearing, dont forget the NDC are all part of government and therefore are being paid by the taxpayer. Cannot understand why no one in the ANC will stand up and put an end to all this nonsense or is there a sinister background that is not being told? After all Malema and his comrades were suspended and this affirmed by another ANC hearing of Senior members. Get it over with!

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