Malema row shows 'discord' in ANC

2011-03-29 17:08

Johannesburg - The Democratic Alliance says the controversy over ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema's alleged criticism of President Jacob Zuma regarding the government's stance on Libya is the latest sign of "discord" in the ANC, "underscoring yet again that the ANC is at war with itself".

"There has been a significant increase in the public airing of grievances among members of the tripartite alliance of late," DA MP Wilmot James said.

"The consequences of a party at war with itself is that it is incapable of delivering to its constituency."

The Star newspaper reported on Tuesday that Malema had criticised Zuma in reference to the situation in Libya at a weekend conference in Limpopo, a move that could land him in hot water with the ANC.

'Bad advisers'

"South Africa voted in favour of imperialists, and we cannot smile about that.

"The ANC of Nelson Mandela would never have voted for the killing of fellow Africans imposed by our former masters," he reportedly said.

"Since he got into power, comrade Zuma has been surrounded by bad advisers.

"I'm dismayed and shocked at the way our country makes its decisions. How can they vote for the interests of the [United Nations] and the United States of America, a country which clearly wants control over oil reserves?"

In May, Malema had to make a public apology to Zuma after criticising him in public.

An ANC disciplinary committee also warned him that, should he be found guilty of contravening rule 25.5 (i) of the ANC constitution within the next two years, his membership would be summarily suspended.


Earlier on Tuesday, the ANC questioned why it should take disciplinary action against Malema based on "rumours".

"Why would we be taking disciplinary action on the basis of allegations that are made? We don't act on rumours," said African National Congress spokesman Jackson Mthembu.

"All we are saying is, even if we were to take disciplinary action, we won't tell you," said Mthembu.

ANC Youth League spokesperson Floyd Shivambu questioned the accuracy of Tuesday's newspaper report.

Shivambu said Malema had criticised the government's support of a UN no-fly zone resolution in Libya, where leader Muammar Gaddafi's rule is under attack.

He said Malema had not personally attacked Zuma.

"He [Malema] never said that. He never said anything about all those things," Shivambu said of the report in The Star, claiming that The Star reporter was not at the conference.

"The ANC Youth League is in possession of an unedited video footage of the address by [the] ANCYL president and it shows that there was no mention of President Jacob Zuma on the address."

The Star defended its report, saying that three journalists worked on its story and that one of them attended the conference and had made notes of Malema's comments.

  • Slapper - 2011-03-29 17:18

    What a bunch! How on earth do these guys think they can run a country? I can not believe the Daily Crap that they spout and the things they do? If you made a movie about them, nobody would believe it. We will be the laughing stock of the world until hell freezes over. Imagine what our Great Grandkids will think when they read history?

  • Poloyatonki - 2011-03-29 17:19

    My ANC My Future My Vision. Our enemy will never raise again.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-03-29 17:21

      I think you meant 'rise' again. And no, that's: YOUR ANC, NO VISION, NO FUTURE !!!

      Tired - 2011-03-29 17:25

      Who is youre enemy? Or to scared of the enemy to say??

      Macho Mike - 2011-03-29 17:32

      Your ANC, Your Future, Your Vision, Your Self-Destruction . Poloyatonki, please can you make sure you practise the African handshake. You will need to use it in a few years time.

      SimonP - 2011-03-29 17:39

      poloyatonki, the ANC gave you freedom = lie. The DA will bring back aparthied = lie. You base your whole political views on lies and then wonder why people call you names.

      SimonP - 2011-03-29 17:48

      Laugh all you like poloyatonki, the rest of the world is laughing at the ANC.

      Mr Hobbit - 2011-03-29 17:55

      Hey Poly, white guys don't need to do anything, the ANC is doing themselves in, all by themselves. Don't you feel even a little embarrassment? Eish, mon, the left side doesn't know what the right side is doing. As the loot runs out, the crowd gets bigger at the trough. Jostle jostle.

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 17:55

      Poly, you troll, thanks for the laugh!!!!! Plonker!

      SimonP - 2011-03-29 18:08

      Hey poloyatonki, whats the difference between Gadaffi/mad bob and the king of swaziland? Nothing really so why are you pro Gadaffi/mad bob and anti Swazi?

      Spoofed - 2011-03-29 18:08

      @martin shut up you twat... Why the hell would you make a comment like that.. You are a part of the problem! If you really feel that white people should be in power then GTFO of the country please.(coming from a white person)

      gilliansan - 2011-03-29 18:56

      "The consequences of a party at war with itself is that it is incapable of delivering to its constituency." - or to its people and country....shame poloy....sorry for you hey :(

      Warren - 2011-03-29 20:00

      @ Everybody: Poloyatonki is just a white guy trying to piss you off for kicks!

      Matt - 2011-03-29 20:03

      Poloyatonki - you a fool and only hurting yourself by supporting a circus based on race. Lets face it - the ANC are just useless! Come on - lets agree on that!

      Bill - 2011-03-29 20:06


      Jo - 2011-03-29 22:56

      Why are you guys always so easy? For all you know Poloyatonki could be some guy called Clarence. He presses your buttons and you all react on cue. Either he/she is playing with you - or he/she is so bent with racist fear and hatred that he/she can't possibly hear you - everything you say is just more fuel for the fire. Either way, venting and explaining just feeds the troll or feeds the rage. The only cure for this is silence - if this person is an attention addict, they will have to get it elsewhere, and if he/she is a seething ball of racist anger, time will show him/her what is true and who really cares about the welfare of every South African. Just let it play out.

      paulf - 2011-03-30 07:13

      I wish you guys would stop putting in Race on this site. It is not whites that will rule again but the best Party will. We are supposed to be a Rainbow Nation of mixed colours. What people must start doing is selecting the Party that will bring them True Freedom and a Party that can Deliver. Voting does not go about black and white. The ANC has mixed races, the DA has mixed races and so we can go on. I for one will not Vote for the current ANC as they have not delivered since they have been in Power 17 plus years. I can not vote on empty promises as I am a Realist. As the saying goes, Once Bitten, Twice Shy.

      bar-one - 2011-03-30 07:44

      I guess there is still a bit of OMO dripping off your head

      The Observer - 2011-03-30 07:45

      hahahahahaha. What enemy? You are your own enemy.

      Stanton - 2011-03-30 10:28


  • G0ldf!nger - 2011-03-29 17:21

    A clear case of the tail trying to wag the dog. *woof*

  • SamuelMabena - 2011-03-29 17:23

    Today I have seen with my own eyes that all the senior ANC officials of our country, including our president Jacob Zuma, are ruled completely by Julius Malema and the ANCYL. The ANC has lost all respect today. I can no longer align myself with this failed and miserably imcompetent organisation! Goodbye ANC. You have let our people down.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-03-29 17:39

      @SamuelMabena - Countryman, may I be the first to welocme you back to the land of Thinking Rational. I know it may appear to be a sparsely populated place, but you'll find us, the inhabitants, to be friendly, civilized and helpful - irrespective of our different political affiliations. Also...we're always in need of more ambassadors...

      sampeyi - 2011-03-29 18:30

      @Samuel Mabena Good lucky my man but ANC with your respect or without your rispect I will rain for ever and ever until Mrs Magwaza Msibi and what so call friends joined it nd them wewill then enters tto the promise land the bible promised us and we will rejoice for ever amen. ANC today tomorrow forever.

      Mr Hobbit - 2011-03-29 18:46

      Sampeyi - are you sure the bible promised you? Or was it JZ - Jesus Zuma?

      G.CALDEIRA - 2011-03-29 18:59

      OVIAS..... LOL

      Dave - 2011-03-29 19:02

      But isnt the Durban North ward run by the DA Sampeyi.....I'm sure the rain in that ward is carefully controlled and doesnt not lead to potholes and washed away bridges

      Perfume - 2011-03-29 20:54

      Always a pleasure reading comments from you :)

      maseratifitt - 2011-03-29 21:34

      Perfume, I thought you were in Cape Town. I still remember that finger of yours. You must show it again some time. Not now, dammit!

      The Observer - 2011-03-30 07:48

      sampeyi. The bible is not refering to you when talking about the promised land. You can't believe in the tokelosh and God.

      Samuel - 2011-03-30 09:05

      I agree. The Anc must be voted out. And if the people of this country wont vote for a "white party", then dont vote at all.

  • Rumbler - 2011-03-29 17:24

    Head in the sand?

  • Chris - 2011-03-29 17:25

    Personally, I've always said that I don't care who governs the country, as long as they make an effort (there may be an issue with the current government though), but I do see some kind of a pattern (or I think): Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Julius Malema ...

  • Mike Webber - 2011-03-29 17:28

    Oh please man, WobbleGuts Malema and Thick-as-a-plank Floyd have no clue. I feel sorry for all blacks the day these fools start running this country. They will be worse than Gadaffi on his people.

      stap - 2011-03-30 02:26

      Wat about you mike don't you feel sorry for yourself, you must say for all south africans stop bieng a hypocrite.

  • SimonP - 2011-03-29 17:30

    Malema also didnt say "this is an ANC nightclub" despite the fact that he was caught on video doing so. Seems to me if the ANC say something didnt happen even though it clearly did we must take thier word for it, how dumb are these supporters to deny clear facts.

      Jo - 2011-03-29 23:00

      Um, no - according th the Free State branch of the ANCYL, Mr Malema was just fearlessly attacking some bastion of racist something, defeating some imperialist thing or other, and the media are just trying to get him. Or something.

      mikedek - 2011-03-30 10:08

      Please remember that "The English not good" for the woodwork specialist!

  • Mundu - 2011-03-29 17:34

    They are both bloody idiots. Give them boxing gloves and make them fight.

  • Lindani - 2011-03-29 17:49

    @Martin- I personally don't agree with a lot of things the government are doing HOWEVER your argument or standpoint shouldn't be based on color.. 'THE WHITE MAN WILL RISE AGAIN'.. Immature statement Sir, kindly adjust to the South Africa of today and the ethos of the Freedom Charter.

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 17:57

      I like Lindani!

      happy_queer - 2011-03-29 18:03

      why on earth do you tackle Martin and not Poloyatonki? racist pig

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 18:09

      Eish happy_queer. Just maybe it's because we have all become immune to polydonkey's postings! Tell me where Lindani posted anything racist? You sound like the intollerant polydonkey!

      happy_queer - 2011-03-29 18:15

      @gizzy - all I'd like to say is "read between the lines" but given your obliviousness you may not even know what that means. The fact that Lindani (who is black) attacks a white person who responded angrily to a racist black comment makes her a racist. See it now??

      AnneB - 2011-03-29 18:39

      Correct. Remarks like that do not add anything to the debate.

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 18:47

      haapy_queer, I am not stupid and can read between the lines. In this case there was nothing to bead between the lines. Lindani put his point across very politely and with manners, unlike your reply. How do you know Lindani is black? You and your ilk are very quick to blame and lable blacks but just read some of your posts. Then you wonder why you have idiots like polydonkey saying what he does say. Can you blame him at times?

      Jo - 2011-03-29 23:02

      I agree, Lindani - I'm a white South African and I'll vote for capable leadership no matter what race that leadership is. Good governance benefits all who live with it, and good governance gives all the freedom to vote it in, or out. We are South Africans first, and everything else comes after.

      The Observer - 2011-03-30 07:52

      Linani, he was commenting on you follow brotha poli up there. Gizzy, grow up.

      gizzy - 2011-03-30 09:57

      So Observer, that's it? Just grow up? There you go, just summed up your intelligence!

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-29 17:50

    You see, you can't play A n C together. Discord is A and discord is C. Disothercord be A minor. Like A malema. See? Now let's try da Libya song again.

  • gizzy - 2011-03-29 17:51

    Juliearse Gadaffi Malema!!!! Mmmmmmm sounds nice!

  • Gahle - 2011-03-29 18:00

    why do people have to persecute malema so much?? Does he not have the right to freedom of speech? We need to listen to this man, he is the future of our country! Just think how much we will be able to become under his reign! Viva Malema, viva Shivambu. Or not :)

      Spoofed - 2011-03-29 18:10

      Are you for real?

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 18:11

      Don't forget to post this on 1st April. We do love a good laugh!!!

      SimonP - 2011-03-29 19:24

      @Gable, a lying, thieving, big mouthed tenderpreneur is the future of this country? What is wrong with you?

      exocist - 2011-03-29 19:28


      perky62 - 2011-03-29 20:10

      people do not persecute malema...we just comment on his ignorance and his lack of education...and not forgetting his stupidity....does no one remember his awesome statement when asked if he would ever commit suicide....he said" neva..i would rather kill myself first" how f**cken stoopid is that....and u think he is our

      maseratifitt - 2011-03-29 22:40

      "Just think how much we will be able to become under his reign!" You mean how many? Now that will cause some pomplications.

      Jo - 2011-03-29 23:14

      Why is Malema the future of our country? I can walk down a city street, into numerous offices and universities in this country and find you any number of young black South Africans who are better leaders in their sleep. How narrow is your vision of the future? Why is it a problem for South Africa to see a future with leaders who command international respect AND have the respect of their whole nation? Are all the women of SA in favour of Julius Malema as their future? Do all the students at universities putting in the time to head up the commerce and research of future South Africa using Julius as their role model? Is everyone in SA over the age of 40 star-struck with Julius Malema's experience, diplomacy, grasp of international affairs and general leadership? If picking arguments, getting into the media and showing up at nightclubs is our future vision, then we could just pick any disgruntled youth. But if you're looking for someone to steer a nation of 50 million people to stable employment, real housing, functional renewable power plants, responsible police, growing investment, a strong tourism industry, clean and sufficient water reserves, healthy cattle, a generation that stops the spread of HIV/Aids, learners that actually learn and teachers who actually teach - just for starters, I don't think you're aiming high enough.

      The Observer - 2011-03-30 07:53

      Yes, hanging from trees with free banannas for all. We are going to be g8.

      pswart40 - 2011-03-30 09:24

      Guys, Gahle was sarcastic, hence the " Or Not:) " at the end

      FRpower - 2011-03-30 09:54

      Are you fricken mad!this dumbass cant even use Ponal glue to stick his woodwork project together,now you want him to be a leader. He's no leader and if anything more of a destroyer of this beautifull country.

      gizzy - 2011-03-30 10:01

      Jeez, Jo that was some essay there. Funny that you didn't read Gahle's full post before you went off on a tangent! ha! ha!

      Jo - 2011-03-30 11:38

      Yup Gizzy - but maybe i wasn't just writing it for Gahle ...

  • Warren - 2011-03-29 18:01

    Remember the Bono incident? This could be another of these "F.U.B.A.R." reports that bored journalists dream up to deal with their boredom. Even if this report is half true, I'm sure some "journalist" threw in some spicy bits to get everybodies juices going! (to sell more newspapers). Not that I support Joooooolius of course, I just don't trust the media (anymore) when it comes to emotional/sensitve issues. (After smacking my name with a plank, due to the creative story telling on the above mentioned report).

      maseratifitt - 2011-03-29 18:57

      All too well, Warren. That was when Steve covered his tracks?

  • steve - 2011-03-29 18:06

    JZ!!! you bloody agent!!!

  • Podgette - 2011-03-29 18:09

    The dogs are hungry for power and will turn on each other to satisfy their own needs.... sit back and watch while they destroy each other.

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 19:22

      Please don't drag dogs down to their level! Dogs have many good uses. The leeches have non!

  • ellard - 2011-03-29 18:18

    Please, Please let me be the one invited over to SA to wrap this idiot in a K blanket and bury him with his idiot ancestors

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 19:23

      What's a K blanket?

      Perfume - 2011-03-29 20:58

      What is a K blanket

      oxygen - 2011-03-30 08:51

      Please tell us what a K blanket is

      BigMoose - 2011-03-30 10:08

      A K blanket is for the K9 to sleep on.

  • Selaelo - 2011-03-29 18:19

    if people are not sure about the stories of our leader(malema),they should keep their mouth zipped.

      Mariano Cast - 2011-03-29 19:09

      Why don't you clarify it then?

      gizzy - 2011-03-29 19:23

      Ha!ha! That was funny ..........

      SimonP - 2011-03-29 20:03

      Selaelo, are you saying anyone who disagrees with malema should keep quiet? If so that sounds like you support dictatorships, that makes you a complete idiot.

      pswart40 - 2011-03-30 09:27

      I have an Idea, since Malema does not agree with his beloved party the ANC, why does he not do what Terror did and form his own party, he can call it DIP or Dumb Idiot Party

  • Veronica - 2011-03-29 18:20

    Malema is just another ANC idiot

  • call a spade - 2011-03-29 18:48

    I think it is time that everybody who are old enough to vote should take an IQ test and wear a ribbon indicating cognitive abilities. White for bright and then.... aag it won't work all white rbbons will be stolen. Of wat se ek Thsepo

      Perfume - 2011-03-29 21:00

      ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! @white ribbons will be stolen

  • gilliansan - 2011-03-29 18:57

    "Theres none so blind as those that will not see":)

  • Kevin - 2011-03-29 19:06

    Its wrong for Zuma to vote with the colonialists to prevent Mad Dog Ghaddafi from slaughtering Africans. Ergo its fine to allow Mad Dog Ghaddafi to slaughter africans. This is graphic example of how Bantu education morphed into education and all the beneficiaries wound up as illiterate idiots. What is fun is that the idiots will support any crazy black leader in Africa in his looting of his country's fiscus and murdering his country's people. The roll call to crimes against humanity continues. Best of all the clowns of the ANCYL just dont get it.

      D - 2011-03-29 19:49

      They get it Kevin. They get it all too well and they like it. Gaddafi had billions of $$$$$$. They dont care who has to die for them to get it.

  • Mariano Cast - 2011-03-29 19:07

    Daddy ANC and baby ANC are nothing but vultures fighting for carrion.

  • Karoobloed - 2011-03-29 20:01

    So Mr. Malema, as long as Africans kill Africans it is OK. I expected nothing better from you - you are clearly an old style African tyrant in waiting - the type that has bestowed more mysery and death on Africans than the Colonial era ever did.

      pop101 - 2011-03-29 20:21

      Yes Karoobloed...but remember communist style propaganda is a powerful tool in the hands of the ANC.

  • Tracer - 2011-03-29 20:18

    we might be the minority poliobrain, but the combined intelligence of every one of your kind is less than that of any small white ccupied village in the world.

      stap - 2011-03-30 02:39

      Is that why orania is doing so good?? u moron??????

  • perky62 - 2011-03-29 20:21

    does anyone remember juliaaas's comment when asked if he would ever commit suicide...his very educated rely was " Neva...i would rather kill myself first"...I mean cmone people...and some of you think he is our future....I can only cry for our beautifull country and its future under such circumstances...

      pop101 - 2011-03-29 20:27

      Bwahahaha, did he really say that, c'mon that must be a joke.

  • perky62 - 2011-03-29 20:57

    @pop101...he really did say that man.....ive neva seen someone soooo ignorant and Racist and the worst part is THE youth>>>THE future of our country F**cken think the man is our future leader...CMON PPL ...WAKE UP...!!!!!

  • Bill Xhosa - 2011-03-30 00:57

    Because I am a stupid foreigner can someone please clarify something for me. If the ANCYL says they are in possession of video footage saying he DIDN'T say those things and there is a reporter that took notes that says he DID say these things why can't they just post the video so we know what the truth is instead of this idiotic arguing in the comments section. Or is that just being to easy? Or has everyone with a brain already left the country? Last one to leave with a brain please turn out all the lights. Oh don't bother Eskom will manage that on its own.

      paulf - 2011-03-30 07:16

      That's if they have not Edited the Video.

      pswart40 - 2011-03-30 09:29

      I have a video showing I did not swear at the rugby....But as soon as the taped stopped rolling, I let loose!!!

  • Roberto - 2011-03-30 07:56

    Over the lot of it! Does that imperialist hating moron walk or jog ala Shaka Zulu wherever he goes. Nope: that fattie likes to drive around in cars that most imperialists cant afford but, oh wait: are made by imperialists. USELESS UNEDUCATED DIMWITTED WOODWORK FAILING MORON!

  • FRpower - 2011-03-30 09:46

    "The lights on but nobody's home",this is ANC brain working overtime,HAHAHAHAA IDIOTS.

  • Sarcastic - 2011-03-30 10:25

    It was taken out of context. English is not Malema's first language. It may be the business language of the world and applicable only when needed for SA politicians. Malema is so misunderstood. I mean, one has to be a total idiot to constantly want to bite the hand that feed his greedy need for expensive trivia. Let the people starve. VIVA ANC. Let us fill our pockets with the hard earned cash of the electorate. VIVA ANC. Support corruption. VIVA ANC. When things go wrong, and it always does, blame apartheid. VIVA ANC. What Polodonki does not realise that there was other race groups who also suffered from the past transgressions but rose to overcome the obstacles. People who developed their communities so that they too could walk with their heads held up high. Took lessons from the past and found gaps for success, not only for themselves but for others as well. I will continue to support Malema. How else will the country know of the mind boggling decisions taken by our primary school drop outs? I have lots of respect for our educated politians, those who have been sidelined to obscure posts. That is what the ANC stands for.

  • Organist-1 - 2011-03-31 08:15

    Problem guys is that the ANC is imploding. They will never discipline or even suspend Malema. They know that to survive they need the youth vote ---- and he rules the youth, and those brainless twits who want everything for nothing and grew up with the "give--give--give or we trash everything" mentality worship him like a godfather.

  • lungisa - 2011-04-01 19:27

    no comment

  • mark59 - 2011-04-11 07:34

    You dont have to call a spade a spade but you can refere to that thing that you put in the ground to move it... semantics dear Julius we know what you meant.

  • craig - 2011-04-11 09:45

    why do people still reply to Poloya-tokilosie??? you cannot reason with the ANC, they are arrogant, corrupt and uneducated! you stand a better chance in reasoning to a donkey.

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