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Malema set to dominate week's politics

2011-10-23 22:58

Johannesburg - ANCYL leader Julius Malema's disciplinary hearing and the league's economic freedom marches are set to dominate South Africa's political landscape this week.

Final witnesses would be called to testify at Malema's hearing at FNB Stadium in Johannesburg on Wednesday.

There is speculation that ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, and ANC national executive committee (NEC) member Tony Yengeni will speak in Malema's defence.

However, ANC spokesperson Keith Khoza could not confirm it, saying said it would only be known on the date. Human Settlement's Minister Tokyo Sexwale has also testified on Malema's behalf .

Malema faces charges of bringing the ANC into disrepute and sowing division within party ranks. He recently said the ANCYL would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and help bring about regime change.

His disciplinary hearing began at the end of August. It was postponed after Malema fell ill.

Malema and four fellow members of the league’s executive also face charges of storming a meeting of the ANC’s top leaders.

'Economic freedom'

The youth league's "economic freedom youth mass action" is scheduled to take place on Thursday and Friday.

Members will march from Beyers Naude Square, to the Chamber of Mines in Johannesburg, the Johannesburg Stock Exchange in Sandton and the Union Buildings in Pretoria.

In its statement, the league said it will lead the country's "unemployed and underemployed youth, the landless people, the homeless, informal settlements dwellers, and those who aspire to have access to quality education and decent lives" in this mass protest.

As part of his mobilisation campaign, Malema has so far visited Thembelihle, Diepsloot, Ivory Park and the Methodist Church in Heildelburg and Bantu Bonke township in Vereeniging.

During his visits, he stressed the fight for economic emancipation and ensuring that communities benefited from democracy.

Cosatu

Some like the Congress of SA trade Unions supported the march, while others within the ruling party and opposition parties voiced displeasure.

NEC member Nathi Mthethwa said the league was "playing on the feelings of the poor" by making them believe that their lives will change by taking part in the march.

SA Communist Party general secretary Blade Nzimande also urged its members not to participate in "any march that will not make a difference" in their lives.

Cosatu was joining the march because the league's demands were identical to that of the union, said its general secretary Zwelinzima Vavi.

However, Cosatu president Sdumo Dlamini gave a conflicting view when he told the Mail & Guardian that Cosatu had made a formal decision not to join the march.

Summit

Monday will see an end to the ANC's local government summit in KwaZulu-Natal. The summit focused on ways to boost the effectiveness of local governance.

It was attended by 1 300 delegates including regional mayors, MPLs, councillors, senior government officials, academics and ANC leaders.

The North West ANC was expected to hold a provincial executive committee meeting on Friday, while the ANC in Limpopo are expected to receive the results of their branch's audit.

Comments
  • Moss - 2011-10-23 23:53

    Ohhh Thandi, Yawn!!! Next ranting please

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-23 23:54

      It is not a rant - it is positive!!

      Tamara - 2011-10-24 00:02

      Don't bother Thandi. As long as you're not singing from the same hymn sheet as the thieving morons who believe in fat boy's 'vision' you'll never have their approval. Thing is, who cares, when the only people who are his blind followers are non entities anyway? They could have a future, if they were willing to work for it, but they'd rather listen to a liar and a thief. You're too good to get into an argument with that sort of riff raff, so ignore them.

      Moss - 2011-10-24 00:06

      Take ur head out of the sand will you. What positive? That is so Alice in wonderland. I am in mining myself & I can tell you real change is needed there. How many White graduates are out of work? They are all looked after by the system. U think u achieved so much to spit ur vernom saliva at the poor of this country hey!! People died for ths same democracy which gives u platform to conduct ur manufacturing business, Theres still a lot to do politically & that starts with equal wealth distribution. Open your head and stop thinking u achieved anything.

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-24 00:53

      I have designed pumps that are used in the mining sector (in a mine in Changchun, China), although I can't manufacture these ones myself as my company only employs a few people and is too small. I think that there could be more co-operative mines in operation where workers get a small share of the company which increases concomitant with the number of years worked there. Full scale nationalisation would not work and be inefficient ala Russia. @Moss - no need to mock me! I don't think we will make poor people richer by just taking from the rich - we need business conditions to grow the pie, not re-cut it up! Also the process would result in huge tax receipt loss that would reduce government spending power and ultimately services (even more) and grants. We have to grow the economy like other successful now independent countries (Singapore, Botswana and India). Let's not adopt the 95% (currently according to world factbook) model that Zimbabwe did!

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-24 01:09

      I meant to say 95% unemployment in previous post. We must not go down that route or else we too will have 95% unemployment

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 01:21

      Something else to add to the issue of 95% unemployment - farming is a serious issue - but I mean SERIOUS(you really need to be just short of a rocket scientist to be a good farmer - yes, it is flippen serious). The re-distribution of farms in Zim was probably one of the biggest reasons for the down turn. People now occupy farms which previously supplied food to the people, as well as collecting foreign capital by means of exporting (which in turn resulted in job creation). We are now sitting with a situation in ZIM where those lands are not being farmed any more - there is not enough food to feed the people, no exporting of farmed product, no income, no job creation. Is that economic freedom?? Come on guys, can you not see what you are wanting to turn our country into??

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-24 05:21

      @Thandiwe and Craig...thanks a lot for making such valid points, I appreciate that. Keep up the good work. I still have a lot to learn, and I’m learning a lot from your comments. If only all comments on this forum would be so full of valid info, instead of the usual racist remarks. Big up guys. *gives Thandiwe and Craig a bells*

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 06:19

      @Simnikiwe - we need to learn from each other and we all need to be willing teachers and scholars. I do not appreciate slander, and I do not appreciate name calling. You can only solve by listening and teaching. I also want to learn from black people (besides hearing about the extreme atrocities of the past) why they believe Malema has the answers - I do not understand it, but all I often see from black people is how we have stolen the land - and then I suppose all you often hear are some of the discriminating things white people say. So thank you for your comment too -

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-24 06:54

      @Craig...We believe Malema because we think he understands where we are coming from, he understands how hard it is to survive in the townships, he understands the suffering, poverty, crime etc...it’s not rocket science really, people would rather follow a leader that understands them than a leader they can't relate to.

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 07:10

      Simnikiwe, I understand what you are saying, and it really then boils down to a loyalty issue. But what has he done for you - he talks the talk, but we have not seen him walk the walk. He keeps on talking economic freedom by taking back what belongs to the people. But how is that going to create economic freedom. You know, whenever he is being questioned about these issues in public( and all politicians are constantly being questioned, it is just the nature of politics) he becomes abusive, he just does not give any clear answers to questions. He fuels hatred - I want to tell u something, he is not much different to Hitler - he uses his knowledge of the circumstances of the masses to create an empire for himself - do you know that this R16 million house could build 160 lower income group houses which would house about 1000 people. He does not want to help anybody my friend - he wants power, power, power. Ask him to give you guys the math of how nationalisation is going to create more jobs?

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-24 07:24

      @Craig...I get you. Another reason for most black people to keep voting for ANC is because we believe policies like BEE and AA will be scrapped if a white government comes into power. Regardless of the corruption and maladministration of funds by the current government, people would rather vote for the ANC and protest over service delivery rather than voting for the DA. We don't see an alternative to the ANC. If there was another black opposition party that is effective as the DA, trust me, we would vote for it. But for now, we think that there are only two parties, ANC and the rest.

      tinus.kotze - 2011-10-24 07:37

      @SimnikiweNtingi: I understand your point that blacks may believe Julius knows where you are coming from. The question I have, does Julius or any of his friends firstly know where to go and how to get there? And secondly, given his political meddling and comments towards other races and classes, do you trust that what he and his close allies are doing are really for the poor or is he just using them? One of the comments that he made that stuck with me: "There were always a ANCYL member in the top ANC leadership..." - That just points to being power hungry.

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 07:46

      Simnikiwe, I hear what you are saying, but believe me, and I hope I speak for most SA'cans. We do not care who is in power, if it is a black government and they are looking after our country in a responsible manner I have NO problem with it. What I have the biggest problem with is the responsibility - and that is in every sense - taking a stance on education, crime, corruption, job creation, - but all we see is people protecting each other and themselves - covering their own butts, not having spine to take a serious and workable step towards reform. And you know, what bothers most of us, is that we see how so many of our African neighbours are crumbling because of this very same thing and becoming the welfare states of the world. We do not want that for our country

      JuditVictor - 2011-10-24 09:23

      Yengeni on his side?? and Miss Winnie (matches and tyres) on his side?? I would call that leverage. The man is no longer a youth by any standard. Politicians have ruined the world and when they're corrupt (Yengeni) .. oh what am I saying - why do people become politicians in the first place. I don't think it's a lust for power I think it's a lust for getting corrupt hand on a corrupt purse. WHY do the youth (the real youth) follow these nonsensical people.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-24 12:12

      @SimnikiweNtingi You say "we believe policies like BEE and AA will be scrapped". Do you understand what racial discrimination is? Do you know what our constitution says about racial discrimination? Let's assume that you do - am I correct in reading from your comments that you think black people MUST have aa/bee because they are incapable of woring hard and competing with whites on an equal footing? If so, then you don't need whites to tell you that blacks are inferior - you have a national policy that does exactly that. I believe that the poor remain poor usually because they have no vision of themselves as anything other than poor. Africans seem to suffer the additional phenomenon of "the tall poppy syndrome" so their own culture is doing them no favours with regards to creating wealth. What is inexcusable is when the poor get it into their heads that their poverty is due to someone else stealing from them, because that just opens the door for expoitation by radical demagogues who have no problem using these people's emotions to expand their own personal fortune while pretening to be the champion of the poor. Here's a question for you - What exactly are SA's blacks loyal to? The empty promises of the ruling party? The spoils of war that Malema trumpets? Communism? Socialism? Democracy? Free Market? Money? Basically I'm wondering if blacks are loyal to people (despite their flaws) or to ideas (despite their flaws).

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 16:41

      What in the world happened to the original post from Thandi?

  • craigtjames - 2011-10-24 00:05

    A country does not reach economic freedom the way this person is advocating. This freedom is to prosper within a country without intervention from a government or economic authority. Individuals are free to secure and protect his/her human resources, labor and private property. Economic freedom is common in capitalist economies and must incorporate other civil liberties to be deemed as truly free. We need foreign investment, and that we will only get should our country be deemed a a place where investment is safe = where it will not be sabotaged by the likes of Malema or the government who is just unable to keep their hands out of the tax coffers - R21 billion could have gone a long way in job-creation, building of homes, schools etc in poor areas. I wish this grey-matter deprived human being would go and study the history of SOCIALISM and the success rate there-of.

      Moss - 2011-10-24 00:15

      Good points Craig, but when does the state have to intervene? The mass unemployement is the ticking point to which the same gov will be blamed Let us look at the points raised and leave the name Malema out, only then we can think clearly outside of hate. The truth is people are unemployed, What do we do?

      Van - 2011-10-24 00:23

      What is 'Economic Freedom'.

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 00:34

      Moss, we have to take what is said by our leaders and politicians extremely seriously. They need to be very careful in what they say or do. The world and investors are always looking for places where they can sow their seeds - and they are looking for healthy soil. Would you, if you where an investor, rather put your money for best returns in South Africa, or say for instance a country like New Zealand/Australia/ or Brazil. All we hear coming from South Africa for the past years are issues about financial corruption and no serious intend from the government to curb it, people like Malema who is dead set on nationalising mines etc, land grabbing and simply, getting rid of the whites. We constantly have strikes and frankly buddy, our soil is just not healthy for any investors. My lashing out at the government and Malema is not about hate - it is about them being so darn deaf and blind that they refuse to listen to any sense. Then secondly, we desperately need the government to take a serious stance on crime and 3rdly - we need them as our leaders to stop advocating hate and stop enticing racial hatred. If you speak to the average white and black South African, they all want the same thing and the leaders are barking up the wrong trees to achieve what we all want

      Thandiwe - 2011-10-24 01:07

      I agree Craig and Moss makes important observations about the ticking time bomb. I don't think the soviet solution will help us create jobs though. Compare East and West Germany in 1990 (post unification) and one can see a huge difference in unemployment as well as standard of living. The inefficient east German nationalised industries did not provide jobs for the populace and the standard of living was shocking! There are one or two examples of state ownership resulting in prosperity like Norway, where the government has controlling shares in 32% of listed companies (mainly oil and gas), but countries are more likely to fail when implementing this from what I can tell - our country is not well enough run to pull it off and cannot afford it either, unless everything is grabbed like in Zim, which would result in us being isolated again. The ANC and DA have suggested a youth wage subsidy, but I see COSATU is blocking a good idea again; I would love to take on two or three cheap apprentices!

      Devlin - 2011-10-24 10:55

      @Craig I agree with you friend. just want to add something, SA do belong to the youth we must only make sure that they have the means and tools to turn around the country and make it prosper, then and only then we will see real differences and no racism or hatred. Put all the monies to good use , schools, education, housing, hospitals, Policing, create jobs

  • tinaanddanie - 2011-10-24 00:19

    Malema must now be seen as a very real threat... One just wonders how long the rest of the world will sit back and watch. No matter how you feel about this action get yourself and your family away from Johannesburg and Pretoria this week!

      Van - 2011-10-24 00:26

      The rest of the world don't give a rats @ss about what is going on in SA. The sooner you realise that the better. They all have problems of the own.

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 00:38

      Tina/Danie, the world will sit back and watch as they have with Zimbabwe. There is simply no reason for them to intervene. But as with Zim, Somalia, Mozambique and half of the African countries, they will send their charity to us once we have imploded.

      tinaanddanie - 2011-10-24 05:21

      Then maybe the time has come for South Africans to stand together and rid the country of this communist!!!

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 07:21

      He is not a communist tina, he is a wolf in sheep's clothes. He is a capitalist just like Mugabe, like Idi Amin was, and many African leaders. The difference between them and what we generally know as capitalists, is that they build their riches out of the poor and ignorant whom they manipulate.

      Ian - 2011-10-24 07:35

      i have to work, i cant just leave, your comment is more stupid than anything the fat jelly tot says

  • Rachel - 2011-10-24 01:06

    Most of Africa is very nice and look very civil. But the media potrays all of Africa as if it was all the same. South Africa looks just like a city in the US. It is mostly North Africa where all the pictures of Africa are from. If you don't know about how Africa got so bad, this article gives a great explanation on it. http://explainlikeakid.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-is-wrong-with-africa.html

      Peter - 2011-10-25 06:56

      @Rachel - are you serious or trying to be funny? I work in many of the countries up north on this continent and can assure you that you will be in for a big surprise or two.

  • jcalitz3 - 2011-10-24 01:37

    I think the ANCYL must go to our borders and stop the illegals coming into the country. We have 11 million illegal people in this country. They take our people's job's because they work for R 50,00 a day. Our people want R 200,00 a day for a unskilled labour job. So the mining, building, farming and other sectors of the economic activity use these labourers even the family of Pres Zuma in the mining industry use these illegal people. That is a good example our Presidents family is using them I think the ANCYL should look at that. Young ladies are streaming into South Africa to get pregnant to claim welfare grants. Billions of money go for grants instead of creating jobs. The ANCYL must look at that. Marches will not bring jobs. Stealing do not bring wealth it just shift the wealth from one to the other. Only hard work, development, cheap products for export will make the wealth cake bigger. Now the cake is just getting smaller and smaller and more people want from the cake, but alas there is no more cake to eat, so poverty is getting bigger and bigger. Marches do not make the economic cake bigger so that we can give more people cake to eat. After the march what is the ANCYL going to do? They have a few options get the 11 million illegals out of the country, that could help our people to get jobs and houses, less money for grants so that money can be used for creating development and jobs.

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 01:55

      You have a valid point about illegals. We simply cannot afford this - no country can - consider 10 - 20% of your inhabitants are illegal - it spells one thing - danger!!!!

      Silvana - 2011-10-24 07:23

      Stop giving grants to aliens! Limit the grant to locals to 2 per father!

  • tinaanddanie - 2011-10-24 04:48

    Last week we saw the rise of an "anti Bryce Lawrence" page... How about an "Anti Julius Malema" page?

  • tinaanddanie - 2011-10-24 05:10

    If you don't approve of Malema... click on the link below and "like" http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/ANTI-Julius-Malema-CLUB/131046103665049

  • Kevin - 2011-10-24 05:47

    The middle aged greying kid at it again. All because zoomer is scared of fat boy. Economic freedom fat boy style is how much you can steal without getting caught and when caught you hold freedom marches.

  • Clint - 2011-10-24 06:16

    A few ideas Black people are brown and white people are pink, both colours originating from the same colour palate. The "black" and "white" labels are designed to keep you divided. Embrace pink+brown today. Malema personally delivers nothing. Malema talks. Many ordinary people deliver for the poor daily. You all need to stop arguing about politicians and politics. Both “sides” have culpability. Get over it. Do something about it. Yes, you personally. Help all those you can. Don't wait for any government to do it. Build houses for the poor. You will be surprised how easy and cheap this is to do, if you use your initiative. Try your best to get a job. Failing that, use your initiative to create a job. Failing that, use your initiative. Stop being pink and brown victims. It’s old and boring. Apartheid is over. Real democracy involves economic, political, ideological, emotional, and theological freedom. This means, economic competition, free and fair elections, freedom of speech, love and religious tolerance. That’s what the ANC was selling pre-1990. So. Pink people, start helping your generally poorer brown countrymen and women to find their feet. Brown people, stop blaming the pink people for everything. Remember, Apartheid is over. Yellow, green, purple, orange and black people are now making themselves at home in SA, and we will all need to compete against them fairly. We certainly can’t accuse them of racism. Many are just arriving, and thousands are on their way.

      SimnikiweNtingi - 2011-10-24 07:07

      @Clint...nice to know there are a few "pink" people who think like me (brown guy) LoL...BIG up baba. Let’s all work together towards building our “Ayobalicious” country. South Africa belongs to all those who live in it. Problems facing South Africa are our own problems. Let’s do something. I’m gonna do my part

  • braamc - 2011-10-24 06:26

    A murderer and criminal speaking in his defence, that's a look.

  • Had - 2011-10-24 06:40

    I have lost any respect I had for Sexwale since he threw in his lot with these criminals - Winnie, Yengeni & Malema. Obviously a hidden agenda.

      Silvana - 2011-10-24 07:07

      Malema Baba and the 40 Skelms. LOL

  • Breinlekkasie - 2011-10-24 06:47

    It is interesting how people fight for socialism but at the core they are all capitalists trying to scoop as much wealth as they can.

  • Tc - 2011-10-24 06:53

    South Africa is CLOWN-COUNTRY. It is a circus where clows run the show and dictate the programme. No wonder there os no order and the world is laughing. How can anybody take us serious?

  • treatwell - 2011-10-24 07:12

    Malema is riGht about people getting land, the are some Government employees that do not qualify for RDP houses but still earn too little for the bank to give them a home loan. What must they do? Get free land to buid their own homes.

  • Peka - 2011-10-24 07:18

    WEET JULLE WAT , HIERDIE AAP WIL ALLES HE WAT WITMENSE HET. HY IS TE LUI SOOS DIE RES VAN SY SOORT IN AFRIKA OM DAARVOOR TE WERK. EK HET MY GAT AFGEWERK DIE LAASTE 22 JAAR EN BAIE URE SE OORTYD OM TE KRY WAT EK HET.EK SE JOU WAT, HY KAN ALLES KRY WAT EK HET EN NET VIR MY VLUGTELING STATUS REEL MET DIE VERENIGDE NASIES WANT EK SAL BETER AF WEES VOOR HULLE REGTIG BEGIN OM NIE NET TE SING SKIET DIE WITTES NIE.

  • Malcolm - 2011-10-24 07:20

    Blade Nzimande's comment makes the most sense. This march has nothing to do with the future of the people. Rather, it has to do with the future of Malema, and the all to obvious free Nandos, coke & ANCYL tee shirt for the marchers. The marchers are sadly all uneducated, desperately poor people, who will do anything for a free hand out, as well as a free bus trip into the city. Its sick politics, orchestrated by a sick mind.

      Silvana - 2011-10-24 07:51

      How does one stop a cancer that has invaded the whole body?

      Skhanyo - 2011-10-24 12:09

      Malcom please do not forget that Blade over the past years has been telling people to engage on senseless strikes that never helped anyone...And that he should be the one calling for nationalization as the leader of communist Party! It is very absurd of him to tell people not to engage in such a strike, I for one am the guy who believes in Carl Marx, Blade is the other guy! lol...please do not talk like that about the poorer remember they are the ones with most votes here, they can demand that the constitution be changed and noone can disagree because they have more votes!

  • Ian - 2011-10-24 07:58

    who cares what the fat muppet says or does, its all bs, its all about look at me look how great i am, fatso i am not scared of you or your starving worshippers, you want to start with me, come im waiting

      tinaanddanie - 2011-10-24 08:07

      Brave or ignorent?

  • fmurimigwa - 2011-10-24 08:00

    ANC had fail to empower the majority we thank Malema for that he has the majority at heart

      craigtjames - 2011-10-24 08:31

      He has the majority at hear? Talk talk talk from Malema - and what exactly has he done for the poor?? Given them dignity by marching - building himself a R16 million house - living in Sandton - verbally abusing every single person whom dares to question him. Is that how he proves he has the majority at heart. Did you know that Hitler, who had black hair, and was really a short stubby unattractive little man, killed the Jews because he wanted to create a pure German race with blonde hair? Do you see the similarity? One can manipulate people into anything you want them to believe if you gave the gift of the gab

      Trudy - 2011-10-24 11:55

      @Craigjames. Thank you for not responding in a demeaning way (referring to all your comments here) even though some of the commententors appear to be very naive

  • Isabel - 2011-10-24 08:05

    Thandiwe, thank you for speaking the truth!!

  • Andre - 2011-10-24 08:12

    So, my Methodist Church has now become a political supporter of someone that does not know the Lord and is driving racial hatred in SA from all angles? Is this the policy of the Church? This is disgusting and and an insult to what the Methodist Church stands for.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-24 12:30

      Politicians have been milking the churches for centuries. It's a quick and easy way to swing whole congregations of people to one side or another. Of course, the pastor/preacher/leader usually gets his "due" as well. The propagandists of the modern world take many forms.

  • deathtraplebombon4 - 2011-10-24 08:13

    THIS MAN MUST KEEP HIS EYES OPEN. DOES HE KNOW HOW POWERFULL THE SOCIAL NETWORK IS. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED IN EGYPT AND IN LIBYA. FACEBOOK. HOW SURE IS HE THAT THERE ISN'T SOMETHING BEING PLOTTED AGAINST HIM.

  • Khendlas - 2011-10-24 08:31

    Most of the black people were fighting for economic freedom like Stive Biko, during the time of apartheid the white people were benefit alot and even now. Most of the companies during that time they offered bursaries to white people but now they stop because they know is the black man who is ruling. How many people in who passed grade 12 but is still not working?? we fight about economic freedom long time ago and those people we claim that are educated are those who seling our country!!! phambili JUJU phambili!!!

  • treatwell - 2011-10-24 08:53

    Malema is riGht about people getting land, the are some Government employees that do not qualify for RDP houses but still earn too little for the bank to give them a home loan. What must they do? Get free land to buid their own homes.

      cordeliam - 2011-10-24 11:37

      Think about this for a while....if they don't have money for RDP house, there will not be money to build their own house. Or are they just going to steal everything they need for the house? Yes...lets build a future on stealing. No more work, no more pay for anything. Just take what you need. No my man, we have worked for everything. Try it. Mybe it work for you as well.

  • hendrik.j.kruger - 2011-10-24 09:00

    What everyone is missing is that Malema is a fake. Saying what he says only to enrich himself. This guy is the dumbest, most uneducated "leader" I've ever seen and trust me, if he "leads" this country will fall.

      Reshan - 2011-10-24 09:36

      But he he speaks like a prophet come to save the masses, we have to unite and bring him down. We need to stop falling for the racial games he is playing and unite as South Africans so he can't use colour against us

  • Dan - 2011-10-24 09:50

    For heavan's sake, can someone just explain to me what is regarded as YOUTH in ANCYL? From what I can see, most members and so-called leaders are aged in their 30's - although mentally developed like a todler. Can anyone please explain

  • Milene - 2011-10-24 10:03

    'Economic freedom' is an expression used by the ANCYL to nationalise mines, the JSE etc. thus moving away from capitalism more towards socialism / communism. Economic freedom actually refer to 'a free market system' or 'capitalism' where the means of production are owned by individuals of a country and not the state. Does the ANCYL know this? Nowhere in the world has communism / socialism worked - it failed time and again only to be replaced by economic systems where capitalism dominates. Been there, done that, failed! Now JM wants to do it all over again - brake it down to the ground only to be build up again by the same capitalists who are now keeping the RSA economy going. Jobs are not created by the state. Jobs are created by the private sector - entrepreneurs who risk a lot of money and put a lot of effort into making a business work and to create jobs. Without entrepreneurs (capitilists if you want) there would be no company tax going to goverment or PAYE tax or VAT since no one would earn money to spend. Without a private sector there is thus no government and no tax money to be wasted. We should embrace capitalism (with appropriate goverment intervention). If you want to know what creates unemployment, listen to the minister of finance and more recently Trevor Manual - the far too honorous labour laws. We got stuck on human rights and forgot about basic responsibilities - work hard and you'll get rewarded. Forget about taking from others; create your own wealth.

      Reshan - 2011-10-24 12:51

      The only problem with capitalism is it's fuelled with greed. Entrepreneurs start of with the best of intentions to build something but it eventually becomes about the bottom line. So yes it's the better of evils but it's no Godsend...

  • Robs - 2011-10-24 10:08

    Strange that the ANCYL marches are organized in the same week as the finalizing of Malema's hearing. It will probably ends in anarchy again and then be called spontaneous support for their leader.

  • kenneth.corsar - 2011-10-24 10:12

    Maybe the MEDIA can do us all a favour and boycott his hearing, rally and whatever other drivel he intends conjuring up this week. Malema is poisonous to South Africa and needs to be ignored by the media completely, without a soapbox this man is nothing - stope feeding his ego..................

  • Jack - 2011-10-24 10:13

    I smile when they refer to ANCYL executive.Hope Gauteng gets heavy rain from Thursday.

  • Pieter - 2011-10-24 11:02

    ALL I SAY TO MALEMA, Quote from ALbert Einstein: "FORCE ALWAYS ATTRACTS MEN OF LOW MORALITY"

  • nitesh.khoosal - 2011-10-24 11:09

    i wish i was the doctor when mamparalema was born, i would have slapped his mother.....

  • Paul - 2011-10-24 11:17

    Redistribution, Nationalization, Land Grabbing, Profit Sharing, Equal Rights, etc,etc,etc... Heard it all before. How many farms and farm land that has been, "redistributed" are now productive a few years down the line. Owning land is not the wealth, maintaing a high level of productivity and reaping from good harvests and supplying to the nation and so Earning the benifits of hard toil, therein lies the way. All the protests in the world are not going to improve anything. Every protest march has cost the local muncipalities a fortune in damages. Julius Malema can raise the standard of the poor by simply redistributing some of his "trust" monies and entering into some meaningful projects to uplift the poor. How many jobs has he created. It'll cost much less than the transport cost to get the protesters marching.Whatever happened to Working together for a better future. Protesting against your own political party which is the government just does not sound like sound judgement. All of this influencing people is only Julius' way of positioning himself in the political arena as a fighter for the poor.. Someone tell this man(wannabe dictator), that the struggle is long gone, starting a new struggle is really quite stupid. All this is doing is weakening the country and upsetting the economy and not benifitting anybody at all. Enough is enough.

  • Skhanyo - 2011-10-24 11:54

    @Thandiwe taking from the rich might not make the poor rich but it will however reduce the inequality problem we are faced with as the country...Feel free to disagree and bear in mind that we are one of the most countries that have super levels of inequality....Furthermore the idea that we need businesses would not make that go away because competing with big businesses has and always will be a problem...Root out inequality then we will start afresh! An anology of this would be athletics: all paricipants start at the same spot,have the same distance to run,etc...Thanx for reading!

      Silvana - 2011-10-24 14:54

      Hahahaha. Spoken like a true Malema sheep. Who are the rich? I can assure you it's not the majority of whites. Look to the ANC that's where they all are. Start off by checking out the wealth of Showerhead and his family. Look at your hero Malema. His lifestyle is obscenely lavish. Why isn't he sharing his wealth with you? Ask him to buy you an Armani suit? Let's see what he says.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-24 15:35

      Root out inequality? I agree! Get rid of aa/bee, then we can talk. There are more Edmund Burke quotes applicable to this issue than you can shake a stick at. Here's just one. "The plunder of the few would indeed give but a share inconceivably small in the distribution to the many. But the many are not capable of making this calculation; and those who lead them to rapine never intend this distribution." ~ Edmund Burke

  • linda.nthangeni - 2011-10-24 12:04

    media give malema too much attention, they must stop following him and he will stop talking rubbish.

      Cheryl - 2011-10-24 12:35

      i agree linda. why do 'great people' like winnie follow him.....she must be desperate?

  • Cheryl - 2011-10-24 12:21

    Very interesting . What have the two convicted criminals Tony ' Greasy Palms' Yengeni and Winnie 'the Poo' Mandela Football Club' got to do with Malema? This whole show is turning into a gang of criminals like the Mafia- South Africa are you proud???.....

  • Harlem - 2011-10-24 12:23

    Craig, Moss and thandiwe...we should meet and look at the comments you are raising...if we have more people interested in sitting around and working on the solutions to our problems , maybe we can make a difference..maybe more will eventually join and discussions will become more intense...maybe we can then look past the race problem and really work at building a truly rainbow nation, as was and still is the hopes of Mr Mandela and Bishop Tutu...it is a good thing putting comments on here, however that is where it will remain...it is time for real South Africans to get together and address our problems as a nation united.....

  • Phuti - 2011-10-24 14:07

    We manage to get only freedom to write as I doing on the Da forum after 1994, but majority are still living in abject poverty•Dont be impressed by the few Thandiwe who claim to have made it.visit the rural areas & townships .as blacks we have nothing that's why I'm with the ANCYL because they provide solutions to the masses.

      Silvana - 2011-10-24 14:34

      Phuti, I agree with you. There is widespread abject poverty. I also understand why someone in your circumstances would support ANCYL. But think brother, what have ANCYL solved? One cannot sit around waiting for a hand out. One has to be proactive in getting youself out of the situation. And that doesn't come with land grabbing. where is the income going to come after this land has been grabbed. What the blacks should be doing is marching to the government and demanding a decent education. Being a black you are in an enviable position that there are companies that provide bursaries for further education (especially for blacks) to deserving applicants. Malema is giving you people false hope to further himself. Just like the ANC did in 1994. They promised, jobs, housing etc. Where are these? The houses they have built, were built by their buddies who cheated you by building inferior quality houses. I know of an example where 1 (one) bag of cement was used to build a houser. I wish you luck.

  • Kurt - 2011-10-24 14:43

    John:"Mr malema how do you feel about the fact that a white man was the first man on the moon?". Julius:"you whites think you are so cleva,a black man will be the first man on the SUN!". John:"Mr malema that is ridiculous you will burn to death..." Julius:"hai shut up we will go at night."

  • Sechaba - 2011-10-24 14:57

    Malema is an idiot. He is trying to look out for his people, but he is using all the wrong tools. Hatred, racism, fear, violence... These are not the trademarks of a democratic country. I voted for the ANC because they stood for peace, fairness and equality. Sure, we are not all equal, and we may never live in a society where everyone is equal, if this was the case there would be no reason to have personal growth. Malema keeps saying blacks are not economically free, I come from a poverty stricken family, but with hard work and perseverance I've made a success out of myself, why can't the rest? Viva Madiba!

  • Sechaba - 2011-10-24 15:00

    Malema is a racist and a fool! Who only spews out hatred and his only tool is fear! Do not listen to this man my brothers and sisters, he will lead us to the brink of a civil war, do you want blood on your hands? Look at Zimbabwe, how well did civil war turn out for them? He is against everything Madiba stood for, we can't allow this.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-24 15:16

      Sadly, Malema's utterances are not ours to allow or disallow. That prerogative belongs elusively to the ANC and the more the ANC lets him get away with murder, the more the decent people of this country cannot understand why anyone would in their right mind vote for the ANC ever again.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-24 15:39

      Ooo, now there's a devilish little faux pas worth a second thought: I meant "That prerogative belongs exclusively..."

  • dkumalo - 2011-10-24 17:30

    I will be there, playing my part.

  • chiepner - 2011-10-25 08:55

    Look - the current administration has allowed this to happen. They promised jobs, housing and better living conditions yet they carried on stealing money from government coffers to line their own little pockets and cadre deployment just made it all so much worse. Billions getting waisted while our departments struggle to pay their bills which ultimatly lead to the demise of many up and coming buz. Malema actually is making the right noises, but unfortunatly he is just as guilty in causing this as so many other corrupt officials. He claims the people are living like pigs, yet he sees nothing wrong with eating sushi of naked woman, selling tenders to the highest bidder, squandering millions on houses and cars and renovations and italian suits and expensive watches. I do agree that sectors should be made to put back more in society. I mean it baffles me that Eskom execs can get salary hikes of more than 100% yet they exspect the working class to be satisfied with less than 6%. It doesnt make sense when ministers hotel stays is more than 1 mil rand - yet they expect people to be satisfied with shoddy housing. Mining companies makes biljions of rands and yet the people doing the hard yards eek out a filthy living. Something needs to change. Greed has caused alot of damage and unfortunatly Malema is one of those that is only using this cause to further his own little greedy agenda. We need a leader that is not afraid in apsetting the apple cart for the right reasons. Not posers.

      stevie0064 - 2011-10-25 09:54

      Agreed, but I reckon this is exactly why the vast majority of cadres fought the so-called Freedom Struggle in the first place. Mandela might have fought for principle, but the rest of them clearly did it for the money. And the gravy train is lekker, so whoever upsets the apple cart is going to feel some resistance and retaliation.

  • craig.wolhuter - 2011-10-25 11:34

    Tony Yengeni, the convicted criminal, is going to defend Malema. Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

  • craig.wolhuter - 2011-10-25 11:38

    oh and lets not forget Winnie "Necklace" Mandela...

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