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Malema set to hear his fate

2011-11-09 11:03

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League president Julius Malema will know the outcome of his disciplinary hearing on Thursday, The Star reported on Wednesday.

According to the newspaper, Malema and his co-accused had been notified by SMS to be at the ANC's Luthuli House headquarters in Johannesburg for the verdict on Thursday.

Malema's legal counsel Patric Mtshaulana confirmed this to The Star.

Closing arguments in the hearing ended late on Sunday night.

Expulsion only if beyond rehabilitation

Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe said on Tuesday evening that the ruling party only expelled members it believed were beyond rehabilitation.

"The approach of the ANC is that it abandons only the most incorrigible," Motlanthe told Parliament's Press Gallery Association.

"It has the confidence that it can correct its members. Even in the ANC, the philosophy is that people always can be corrected by undermining their weak points and supporting their strong points," he said.

The ANC has charged Malema with bringing the party into disrepute and with sowing division within party ranks.

Earlier this year, he said the ANCYL would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and help bring about regime change.

Malema subsequently apologised for the remarks.

Also charged are ANCYL spokesperson Floyd Shivambu, deputy president Ronald Lamola, treasurer general Pule Mabe, secretary general Sindiso Magaqa and deputy secretary general Kenetswe Mosenogi.

Malema was found guilty of criticising Zuma in another ANC disciplinary hearing last year and faces possible expulsion from the party if found guilty again.

- What do you think the outcome of the hearing will be? Share your views with us

Comments
  • Razz - 2011-11-09 11:09

    Lets see if you (ANC) have the BALLS to fire the AGENT.

      chanchan - 2011-11-09 11:46

      @s only ANC members have the right to comment .... you are an idiot ! and thats y u follow the ANC. they are destroying our once beautiful country !! we have every right to comment on a rubbish uneducated greedy bunch of corrupt animals that are the ANC members!!! its people like you that are cause of the countries state right now !! get an education before you start challenging people here. and your comments probably get delete from the sheer lack of intelligence you present in them. you are and always be a ANC supporter ......

      Anthony - 2011-11-09 11:51

      @s can you please wake up "no government is perfect" SA does not have a government yes does NOT have a government full stop.

      Chris - 2011-11-09 11:52

      @S: >With respect can Da, FF+, Cope members/supporters please stop >interfering with Anc internal matters, Commenting on someone/something is not the same as interfering, it is expressing an opinion. Besides, Malema's actions stretch wider than party internal scope, so your raising that as a justification that people should leave the matter alone is just a red herring. The actions of this person is in fact of is of national importance and people have the right to take an interest and comment on their country's affairs and the people who affect it. >whether Malema will be expel or not is not your concern, only us Anc >Members have a right to comment, Really? Says who? It would seem to me that it's not for you to decide what another persons concerns should be. Especially ones that are in fact of national interest. It would further seem to me that anybody in fact has the right to comment on anything, whether you or I like it or not, and whether we agree with them or not, providing of course said comments abides by the laws of the country. Last I checked we still had free speech in this country. >all the best to Mr Malema. By the way you can focus on Midvaal report >and the response by the Da “No government is perfect”. If you were consistent then by your own logic/standards you have no right to comment on this matter. In closing, a quote Evelyn Beatrice Hall, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

      Right - 2011-11-09 12:33

      My comment was removed by NEWS24 because so many people gave it the thumbs up...so I will repeat it. Report NEWS24 to the Ombudman for bias. Deletion of comments does not only happen to you. It would appear that the Editors or Moderators at NEWS24 are trying to promote a particlar slant or "laager mentality". If they cannot be relied upon to ensure NO CENSORSHIP when the comments are obviously well written...they should be CLOSED DOWN.

      jogesig - 2011-11-09 13:08

      HAHAHA 'S' "know few news24 admin" yet his comments are being deleted.

      Bob - 2011-11-09 13:29

      I suppose the death penalty is out of the question.

      Youefoh - 2011-11-09 14:38

      JM is a typical Marmite GIANT!

  • Chrono - 2011-11-09 11:13

    If one compares the plight of the poor in this country to dealing with the Malema disciplinary hearing, the latter was indeed a triviality. To address the needs of the poor, there has to be jobs for them, they have to have housing, clinics/hospitals, electricity, sanitation, roads, schools etc. Serious and indepth planning is required that needs a concerted effort from a host of role players. The Malema hearing has so far taken up the precious time of a team of very senior officials since the end of August 2011. Is it any wonder nothing tangible has been done about the plight of the poor in this country?

  • Felix - 2011-11-09 11:15

    This whole party is a joke. Thieving criminals.

      leko.dada1 - 2011-11-09 18:05

      YOU REASON LIKE A 16 YEAR OLD...ARE U NORMAL?

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-11-09 11:17

    Wouldn't it be more accurate to say: 1. The world is set to hear the fate of South Africa 2. The fate of SA Economics about to be heard 3. UN ready to hear fate of future Human Rights abuse in SA 4. Financial Backers of future SA President ready to hear the fate of their investment. etc etc etc....

      Levett - 2011-11-09 11:35

      Whites wait to see if Malema will continue to spread division in the ANC ... that's the most important to us

      Mike - 2011-11-09 13:04

      Speak for yourself Levett!!!

      Juan - 2011-11-09 17:00

      The problem is every body overemphasises the importance of this idiot. He is a circuis clown with idiot followers. He only has a small portion of the black population's support. So relax, he is just cheap entertainment and he doesn't have much of a influence on the country's futute

      leko.dada1 - 2011-11-09 18:13

      1.WORLD WONT POKE NOSE ON ANC AFFAIRS 2.SA ECONOMICS NEED TO LEARN MORE OR GIVE OTHERS A CHANCE TO PROVE THEMSELVES 3.UN ALREADY KNOW ABOUT MAJORITY OF THE POOR,BLACK PEOPLE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF APARTHEID 4.ANCYL AND ITS SUPPORTERS AWAITING INDEED.

  • Themba - 2011-11-09 11:18

    Surely someone who has to attend two dispcilinary hearings in two years is beyond rehabilitation.

      Dirk - 2011-11-09 11:54

      Themba, it depends on the definition of rehabilitation. Your definition and that of the ANC will most probably differ. Most of us know that should Mr Malema just get a slap on the wrist, he will know he can get away with slandering remarks and stupid ideas. The real thread is if he is expelled or even suspended, what will his reaction be and what will he be willing to do........and to whom. It is clear he doesn't care about his people....R16 mil for a house comes to mind....but still they follow him. He says he doesn't hate white people.....but then he sings the song "Kill the Boer". He says he is sorry about his remark about the indian people as "coolies"....but when he gets sued, he says: "Bring it on". The man has no control over himself, how does the ruling party expect to get control over him?

      Juan - 2011-11-09 17:11

      No, the rock is not cooked yet

  • Gerhard - 2011-11-09 11:19

    I think he will not be expelled but will be given a "final warning." When he acts up again then they can expel him saying they have tried their best etc but he seems unable to be rehabilitated. By this they save face and don't lose to much support while keeping a certain amount of control over Malema. Personally I would like to see the end of him, but even if he gets expelled, I doubt we will.

  • Mary - 2011-11-09 11:19

    After Mr Motlanthe's little speech there should be no doubt as to what the outcome of this farce will be. *sigh*

  • gary.jurgens - 2011-11-09 11:20

    A school teacher asked his class to give him names of the banks in SA. Kim: First National Bank Tshepo: Standard Bank Portia: Nedbank Julius Malema: Witbank The whole class laughed at Julius Malema and he said,"I'm kidding Rosebank....

      notbuyingface - 2011-11-09 11:24

      copycat, we got that a long time ago.

      gregoryp82 - 2011-11-09 11:47

      @notbuyingface its still funny....

      leko.dada1 - 2011-11-09 18:20

      PRESIDENT MALEMA IS TOO CLEVER THAN YOU...BOY.

      Ron - 2011-11-09 19:15

      @Leko - please recuse yourself from this forum. Your comments and attitude are not conducive to intellegent debate.

  • Jan - 2011-11-09 11:21

    'the ruling party only expelled members it believed were beyond rehabilitation'. Through this they are already basically saying that if found guilty he will just get a slap on the wrist, because surely FAT Juju is capable of rehabilitation! LOL, what a JOKE!!!

  • PB - 2011-11-09 11:23

    The anc sounds like the parents of a spoilt brat - "now now juliaaas, if you don't behave I'll take away your Rolex" - then they just allow him to carry on regardless. When the brat ends up killing his parents (anc) to get closer to the millions (party leadership), everyone is surprised about it. "But how could it happen, he was always allowed to do anything he wanted to and was given as much money as he could spend!" Same sh!it. If they let him get away with this, it is a freeway to total corruption.

  • khutso.b - 2011-11-09 11:24

    We are doomed...

  • Gerhard - 2011-11-09 11:24

    It has taken them so long, because they had to get consultants in to advise on how to communicate the fact to the public that they are spineless and nothing is going to happen to JM and to their followers look like heroes. PLEASE Man!! The have the integrity of dog sh*t!!!

  • anne.lombard2 - 2011-11-09 11:25

    Please this morning the ANC said they only expel people if they cannot be rehabilitated another excuse to do nothing to this FFFFFF person

  • Riaan - 2011-11-09 11:26

    Blah-blah-blah. Nothing wil happen...so stop giving these updates N24

  • Johnno - 2011-11-09 11:26

    what a joke this is for SA and the world looks on and laughs - sorry juju no jobs for you even if u try as SA has lost 4billion in foreign investment in 2yrs and Moody's has downgraded SA to negative so we should see more job losses to come but defo no job creation anytime soon - so u will have to march again and fatboy will be quiet for a few days and then it will all start again - WHAT A JOKE

  • Victor Appie - 2011-11-09 11:35

    ppl of mzanzi malema ws right from the beginning botswana need a change why do the U.S.A need army base in Botswana why is there something we mst ask our self are the west knw after minirals do they want to own everything

      makesuthink - 2011-11-09 11:47

      Victor appie If you cannot write properly in English do not write at all. whtruonabot See if you figure out the previous sentence JACK

      gregoryp82 - 2011-11-09 11:50

      that doesnt even make sense....???

      Gerhard - 2011-11-09 11:54

      Hey Apie! Why is it any of your concern what goes on in Botswana? The corrupt government must sort out the mess they have made of South Africa.

      Cameronl - 2011-11-09 12:51

      hahaha what wazzz thet, man you need a dictionary and urgently, that really didnt make any sense hahaha

      Rodney - 2011-11-09 13:13

      Why? Botswana is the ONLY black run country that isn't riven with corruption, graft, nepotism, theft or cronyism that affects EVERY OTHER African country, including SA. The ANC need to sort out it's own mess before thinking about even discussing problems in other countries, never mind pointing fingers or, God forbid, giving advice. I do have to agree though, Africa doesn't need a US Army base, all that does is attract the lunatic radicals to the area and we have enough of those.

  • fishycraig - 2011-11-09 11:40

    Let him come To Fishycraig House and then he can hear his fate.

  • Victor Appie - 2011-11-09 11:41

    win or lose the youth will always supports u come thursday we will be praying for u in God we trust

      I_C_Dumb_People - 2011-11-09 12:21

      I C U

      S - 2011-11-09 12:33

      I C Dumb people Get a life..

      Felix - 2011-11-09 12:42

      What a shining example of the SAPS you are Victor. /sarcasm...S(ganga), FO!

      I_C_Dumb_People - 2011-11-09 13:04

      I C U 2 S

  • Kevin - 2011-11-09 11:41

    The anc are looking for an easy out. Motlanthe obviously wants to take fat boy up on his offer of being the next president . zoomer is busy being outsmarted by fat boy making stupid promises to Motlanthe.Suppose its does not take a lot to outsmart him.

  • andrewtrench - 2011-11-09 11:42

    This will be interesting. If Malema is not expelled it would mean that he committed less of a disciplinary offence than Bantu Holomisa back in the 90s when he was expelled for telling the TRC that an ANC cabinent minister had accepted a bribe back in Transkei.

  • Anthony - 2011-11-09 11:44

    Malemaa's slap on the wrist will be so gentle he wont even notice it: Zuma will prove he is no good at sport > NO BALLS.

  • Musa - 2011-11-09 11:49

    This is an internal ANC matter. Hey you counter-revolutionary forces: stop making these stupid predictions. The ANC NDC will do its job, let us not put unnecessary pressure on them. Comrade Deputy President was stating a personal opinion, he's not part of the NDC. Now, stop this unnecessary noise.

      RSole - 2011-11-09 12:04

      Making a personal statement on a public platform???? Bunch of spineless parasites

      Sassenach - 2011-11-09 13:27

      Don't all the thumbs down make you want to stop commenting. Thick skinned just like the party you represent. If you want to comment do so, but delete them after you've read them.

      Scatmanza - 2011-11-09 13:43

      If it is an internal ANC matter, why is the ANC using the media to get the message out. If it is no business of the general South African public, why do they not communicate internally within the ANC membership.

      Raymond - 2011-11-09 23:22

      Dude ~ whats this counter-revolutionary forces crap? There is no revolution, ergo there cannot be a counter revolutionary force! The problem is that the ANC does NOT do its job. It is because of this lack of work ethic (and of course lack of honesty) that people like you still talk of revolution. Of course, as a result of your low IQ, you are so misguided that you think the revolution is against the non-existant western lead whites counter revolutionists. Actually my friend, you should be at war with your own current goverment, it is they who are stealing from you and stifling economic growth thereby destroying any chance of job creation. By the way, your mate Julias, he is a member of that worthless government.

  • Missionman - 2011-11-09 11:52

    Another total disapointment on the horison from the ANC - MESSED up values and morals and a total lack of internal discipline. I will be suprised if the needed action is taken.

  • Marion - 2011-11-09 11:55

    If the ANCYL wanted Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe as president why didn't they just help get him voted in while he was Acting President? He was right there in the power seat and they unseated him and put Jacob Zuma in as president. The mind boggles at the weirdness of it all.

      Raymond - 2011-11-09 23:26

      Because Zuma made promises to Malema which he has now renaged on. Alternatively, Mothanthe has made even better promises to Julias. Julias being a true ANC leader is greedy and unprincipled, so he swithces sides as greed dictates

  • wjpjaco - 2011-11-09 11:58

    He needs to be in Jail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i hope someone kills him fast.

  • RSole - 2011-11-09 12:01

    That's known as the "Tail wagging the dog".

  • marco.tomaso - 2011-11-09 12:03

    A government minister, a front-page sex scandal and claims of a honey trap set by "spooks" determined to crush enemies of the president! What an interesting government South Africa has in power!Turbulent some might argue,but not so very different from the rest of the other Democratic societies we live in someplace else. Even in England right at the minute,their Home Secretary Theresa May is under pressure to explain her decision to relax some border checks, after a senior official and a civil servant accused her of misleading Parliament yesterday infront of the select committee.S**t just don't wana go away,does it? This sports minister,Fikile Mbalula,claims he was victim of a politically motivated conspiracy orchestrated by South Africa's intelligence agencies and that the woman in question was paid R150,000(£11,842)by rogue state security operatives to destroy his reputation before ANC internal elections. And now this story on Malema who faces own his "s**t hits the fan moment" this week when the ANC's disciplinary committee returns its verdict on charges,which were instigated by Zuma by the way,that fatboy slim MALEMA brought the ANC party into disrepute with a string of offences, including a call for regime change in neighbouring Botswana.It is widely speculated that if the charismatic,loudmouth Malema is acquitted,then Zuma will be fatally wounded.

  • Harlem - 2011-11-09 12:03

    MOODY"s today revealed that they have changed our countries investment rating to NEGATIVE....they have listed the various factors contributing to their new rating...at the top is the indecision on the part of government to be forthright in their views on demands for nationalisation and land reform, ..now it appears that our rating will be further put under pressure as a result of the anticipated results of FATBOY'S hearing, a not guilty result will DEFINITELY have investors running for cover...with no investors , no economic growth, more job losses, higher levels of poverty..all those that stand behind the ANC ..I wish you well...

  • Jacqui - 2011-11-09 12:09

    No chocolate on Sundays for six months, or something else foolish.

      Jacqui - 2011-11-09 12:13

      why are my messages posted twice?. They aren't that corny.

  • Ditantane - 2011-11-09 12:13

    let's get one thing right first no one will be expelled

  • Michael - 2011-11-09 12:13

    The ANC decides what they want. Opposition will continue dragging Malema to court for his racism, and what can loosely be referred to as treasonous actions. But, when the question is raised, Zuma will say "I wish I had decisions in these matters, but like my own house that I live in every day, I don't decide on renovations, so how can I decide on Malema's fate?

  • phakiso.shadrack2 - 2011-11-09 12:19

    lets wait and see

  • Raegan - 2011-11-09 12:19

    where is ''LANA MAY'' today...., apparently she as some pretty smart comments that i should be elaborating on!!!!!

  • Shaun - 2011-11-09 12:19

    expell him from society as well

  • James - 2011-11-09 12:22

    Youre fired!!!! If the anc have any balls!!!!

  • Ubabamkhulu - 2011-11-09 12:24

    In true cultural tradition, we do not reprimand our children. That is why the Malema’s of the world will continue to say what they want. The only hope now is the investigation into his finances, and hopefully, the justice system will remove him from his position as YLL. And I will not be surprised if JZ already knows this and has escaped the wrath of the youth by not suspending Malema through the disciplinary process. Let the ANCYL now take it out on the justice system instead. We are not setting a good example here for our children.

  • sizwe - 2011-11-09 12:27

    I must give it up to Malemam he keeps himself on all your minds and on all your fingertips (keyboards). You think ANC has been sold on Malema think about yourselves who can't help but make everything about him. You think if less attention was awarded the impact of the man would be less? Just a thought. But the reality is that IT'S YOU who helps keep his profile elevated by so many page hits and comments (ALL THE TIME). So before you go off on a Julius crusade I would like you to ask yourself if you haven't in fact also been sucked in. A leader is chosen by people, & just like a celeb has to have "haters" you guys are providing the fodder needed to catapult him to greater heights. I used to think that he was out and out stupid because I was considering my fellow readers opinions here on News24, only to realize that all your comments are the primary thing exacerbating this. Look at the magnetism he then gets, he's the only one who gets white SA out of their comfort zone and paying attention. He strikes fear in the hearts of those his supporters see as the "have-alls" and that makes him even more valuable to his followers. Keep calling the guy an idiot and all the rest of it, I suspect it will be to your own detriment. Some readers have the problem that they let their hate for Malema blind them to the fact that sometimes he can make sense. Who's the idiot then?

      See - 2011-11-09 12:40

      Well Sizwe, you ask who's the idiot? I nominate you, after Malema. Nkosi nceba iAfrika.

      sizwe - 2011-11-09 12:49

      Ha! Next you are gonna try and tell me all the attention everyone lavishes on Julius is not a contributing factor. I don't know if you read what I wrote or you read what you wanted to read SMH

      Raymond - 2011-11-09 23:38

      Sizwe, what you say has a lot of merit, and I do agree with you on many points; but heres the rub. The only reason that people (not just whites) are starting to voice their opinion more vociferously, than say two years ago, is because there is, I fear, a correct belief, that this guy is out of control and not controllable by his peers/seniors in the ANC organisation. We have seen the result of his ranting with the Moody rating today. Very soon, even more jobs will have been lost! If you love your children you have then you should also be concerned. Hear me now ~ this path we are on is a path to bloodshed and there will be no winner!

  • Cristina - 2011-11-09 12:29

    Hello..Juju is beyond all normal rehabilitation..how thick are you guys?!!!(or pretending to be?!!)..disgusting!!!!!

  • Kraken - 2011-11-09 12:31

    It all makes sense now. An ANC member may steal millions of Rands - As long as he promises not to do it again. ANC policy FAIL

  • thabani.mkhatshwa - 2011-11-09 12:33

    KUYOQHUMA NHLAMVANA EZINYE ZIYOFEKETHA

      Marcel - 2011-11-09 17:38

      GHSFG GFGHGH GHJKUJKLYIUKUY FYJSRJYJGJDF STJ

  • Nazo2010 - 2011-11-09 12:38

    ANC is not a pig that eat its own kids!

  • vussi12 - 2011-11-09 12:40

    The ANC is not scared of fat boy,president Zuma is a master tectician,a lot of people forget that he is a product of the Russian intelligence.malema's political career has less than 48hrs to live,ask Holomisa or Mbeki.this boy will be harshly delt with

  • J.D. - 2011-11-09 12:57

    "Even in the ANC, the philosophy is that people always can be corrected by undermining their weak points and supporting their strong points," he said" This is according to his under exellency spineless Mothlanthe. Sir the strong points of the said Malema is corruption, war mongering and stealing. So yes you want to work and reinforce that strong points. What a joke. Time for the anc cadres to learn that all the people reading their comments arev idiots like they are.

  • Cameronl - 2011-11-09 12:58

    This is really one big joke, there are far important issues to deal with. he will recieve minimalistic consequence for his actions, if only we the puplic of this great nation could expell the entire government and start over. if only it was that easy. ANC get the hell out of this country you are doing no good here. Can anyone really say for certain that they (ANC) have done ANY real good since coming into power?

  • Anton - 2011-11-09 13:12

    Unfortunately he's probably only getting a slap on the wrist. I'd be very happy to see him fired though, perhaps even put in front of a firing squad.

  • brionyl.french - 2011-11-09 13:26

    this is the biggest joke i have ever heard... the man is embarrassing your party and the people of South Africa.... he shouldnt have such a voice that he does. But thats their lesson to learn, because its only going to get worse if they dont kick him out...

  • alexviljoen - 2011-11-09 13:45

    http://www.fin24.com/Companies/Mining/Malema-snubs-mining-forum-20111109 same result expected for his hearing..."didnt know of the event"

  • alexviljoen - 2011-11-09 13:54

    I love the fact that most of the comments here are not rasist, they are purely fact, for the monority that click "thumbs down"...you no doubt are a ANC supporter...look at the "Thumbs up" comments and face facts...they are right. The ANC will destroy South Africa, the ANC has no back bone and is only trying to line its pockets while it can before the country colapses...its only a matter of time now...Sorry South Africa, you deserved a better future...ANC is not the future..unless you support destroying the beautiful country based on corruption and lies...everything the ANC stands for.

  • Mike - 2011-11-09 15:07

    even my dog has more brains than juju. But juju must continue to divide the ANC . Soon the ANC will be gone

  • cecilhstephens - 2011-11-09 16:34

    Support there strong points yes! liars, cheats, fraudsters and best of all untouchable, and the weak points !teach them to be all the above? what a F*#king joke