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Malema would've faced firing squad - MK

2012-03-14 22:37

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League is fuming over a remark that its expelled leader Julius Malema would have faced a firing squad if times were different.

"We call for [the African National Congress] to take immediate action on the people who incite violence in the ANC," ANCYL secretary general Sindiso Magaqa said.

"We hope that they [ANC provincial and national leaders] will address these threats with immediate effect because the utterances... are conclusively out of order."

The remark was made by the Umkhonto we Sizwe Military Veterans' Association (MKMVA) in KwaZulu-Natal.

"If it was still the struggle era, Julius Malema would have been killed by the firing squad for the way in which he was rude to the ANC leadership," it said in a statement.

The statement was published in Umafrika newspaper earlier this week.

Magaqa said this was not only a misrepresentation of reality and history, but incitement to violence against the league's leaders.

He said it was not the first time MKMVA leaders in the province had threatened ANCYL members with violence and death.

They should retract the statement and apologise. Should they fail to do so, the league would take the matter to the Equality Court and the SA Human Rights Commission, Magaqa said.

Comments
  • Tony - 2012-03-14 22:57

    How is this any different to when JM sings kill the boer, both statements promote killing someone else. The double standards are so blatant, yet no one can see them before they speak.

      Mike - 2012-03-15 00:26

      Malema facing a firing squad? Now, there's a lovely thought.

      Squeegee - 2012-03-15 05:42

      Even our fat, incompetent, unable to shoot army couldn't miss.

      Eduard - 2012-03-15 06:31

      There are very few leaders in the top ANC now, only clowns, that is why you see the double standards

      Matthew - 2012-03-15 07:19

      Has there ever been someone more hated than Julius Malema in South Africa! I dont think so... I wonder what our investors oversees will think about a firing squad? Its a great Idea :)

      Fussed - 2012-03-15 07:24

      Where, please let me know where to book for a front row seat

      Schmee - 2012-03-15 07:44

      Drazil, the statements are not similar. Stating a fact that in the past he would have faced the firing squad is not inciting violence. It's like British people stating a fact in the past children were used to clean chimneys. Whereas singing the Shoot the Boer song is a militant song that was used in the past to mobilise MK troops. The song psychologically promotes mass action. I think the youth are just plain out of line and need a good spanking.

      Alan - 2012-03-15 07:52

      brilliant remark Drazil! LMML

      Ian - 2012-03-15 08:07

      dont you miss the good old days...

      steynbeyers - 2012-03-15 08:11

      Rather use stones, bullets cost money!

      Rhyno - 2012-03-15 08:45

      @Sganja, the firing squad is a recognised military sanction for gross insubordination. Malema's comments are more than that, as it actually boils down to high treason.

      Annelise - 2012-03-15 08:57

      Bring back the old days! Shoot him!

      Matt - 2012-03-15 09:28

      The youth have no motivator other than Malema. They all jump on the bandwagon. If I was that dumb, I probably would too. To kill the snake cut off the head. OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

      eradingoana - 2012-03-15 10:48

      Same thing is just that the Youth League do not know that two words can mean the same thing.

      Marion - 2012-03-15 12:07

      @Sganja - where were you when those 'tribalists' were fighting to give your sorry a**e freedom? You been smoking too much Durban Poison again?

      Marion - 2012-03-15 14:20

      Just came to me that Malema has in fact already faced the firing squad.

      Claire - 2012-03-15 14:27

      Well said... double standards of note!!

      Lewis - 2012-03-15 16:26

      True That!!

      Andriaan - 2012-03-16 06:14

      Whare do we sign up for the firing squad?

      chrisfourielipman - 2012-03-16 07:27

      Let's burn some rubber, bring a tyre, just make sure it's a big one....

      ahpretorius - 2012-03-16 12:57

      Dhubula iMaifoedie!

  • FinalJustice - 2012-03-14 23:01

    \You live by the gun, you'll die by the gun!\

      Alfred - 2012-03-15 00:00

      I think you're wrong. Julius, being the pseudo-revolutionary that he is fights by the pie and he'll die by the pie.

      JohanLombard - 2012-03-15 14:44

      Brilliant Neumann. Or it could be live by the Johnny Walker, die by the Johnny Walker.

      Thozi - 2012-03-15 23:16

      And somebody please forgive my ignorance... Just what would be wrong with that, I mean the firing squad do?

  • Bertus Pretorius - 2012-03-14 23:03

    \We call for [the African National Congress] to take immediate action on the people who incite violence in the ANC,\ ANCYL secretary general Sindiso Magaqa said\ . All while the ANCYL is defending a song to kill farmers? Now please, someone, explain how these statements fit into one another?

  • Lacrimose - 2012-03-14 23:08

    Yet another "warrior" fantasy. Be careful what you wish for.. And oh ho ho to ANCYL - this is "incitement to violence" - now that it is directed towards you. When it's coming from your side it is "the truth". Welcome to the real world - there are many truths. The wise and successful leaders find ways to navigate them all

  • Mboneni - 2012-03-14 23:08

    If it is true that people in exile with the ANC were facing the firing squad for a different opinion,an inquiry shoul be formed to investigate mysterious dissapearances of comrades in exile

      John - 2012-03-14 23:42

      more than you can imagine....

      hein.huyser - 2012-03-15 06:59

      Where do you think the words, "ANC-detention camps" comes from. The cANCer's past is littered with the corpses of their own. Wonder why not one single cANCer member is in jail for atrocities commited?

      Merven - 2012-03-15 07:36

      Lol Mboneni http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/media/1997/9707/s970722f.htm ADVISORY BY THE AMNESTY COMMITTEE OF THE TRC (http://www.info.gov.za/speeches/2000/000721410p1001.htm) "The Amnesty Committee of the TRC is to hear the remaining ten amnesty applications next week, by former ANC security "Mbokodo" members for Gross Human Rights Violations they committed in the ANC detention camps at the Idasa Centre, corner Prinsloo and Visagie Streets, Pretoria next week. The matters are scheduled to be heard between Monday and Tuesday July 24 -25. Chris Hani was the commander of the Military Wing of the ANC and in charge of these death camps. Up to 900 black ‘freedom fighters’ died in these exile-camps from torture at the hands of fellow black ‘freedom fighters’. Then there were also Stompie, Winnie, necklacing and Winnie saying "With our matches and tyres we'll liberate this country". The ANC you learned of from your school books are far from the real ANC!

      Jacqui - 2012-03-15 11:33

      Yes, and we won't mention the word rape either. Those comrades had to do something to alleviate the boredom of having nothing to do.

      Aijaman - 2012-03-15 13:10

      Mboneni ungalibala ngamaqobiso e-MK???MK never done anything to liberate South Africa but they got big mouth today...If u can hear their stories u could lough...People who remain in South Africa who never went to exile are far much better than these bunch of cowards called MK...Just give me one military action that was ever taken by MK to liberate S.A....Ayikho, kwakusithiwa xa kuthiwa makuyoliwa bavele bathi basajima

      Hugh - 2012-03-15 14:36

      Aijaman, how true, but now they dance in the streets in their camo, and make out that they were the liberators. They never faces the SADF in battle, ever.

  • Raul - 2012-03-14 23:38

    Well that was in the past. Probably, the "veteran" Malema was still in a womb and had no idea what the struggle was all about. He still has no idea what it was. In modern times you should resort to having Juju facing a firing squad using rotten eggs and rotten vegetables.

      Fanie - 2012-03-15 02:25

      No he was still with his father playing sokker with his brothers and sisters.

      brieuse - 2012-03-15 06:52

      it is a daily struggle for Malema

  • thesaoak - 2012-03-14 23:38

    Only if the MKMVA where right!!! The world would be a better place without him!!

  • thesaoak - 2012-03-14 23:39

    Viva MKMVA VIVA!!!!

  • Cracker - 2012-03-14 23:44

    "They should retract the statement and apologise. Should they fail to do so, the league would take the matter to the Equality Court and the SA Human Rights Commission, Magaqa said." ____________________________________________________________________ So, the institutions of this country do hold a certain attraction for the ANCYL and Julius Malema when the going gets tough. Now, what was that again about judges being this and that and other BS? The shoe is now on the other foot. The judges are from their perspective no longer so bad. I am quite happy to enter into a friendly bet that Julius Malema and company will approach the courts to overturn their sentences. Why? Desperation is one reason. If they do, may they recall their criticism of the judges and the legal system. The counter-revolutionary childish BS etc we heard from them. Luckily for them the judges are not the ones they wanted to see in office according to their previously stated standards. Eg the Equality Court's. Imagine if the judges were so-called revolutionaries appointed by the ANC top brass and/or Zuma. No chance at all, hey Julius and company? For hypocrisy and lack of brains the ANCYL and Julius Malema will NEVER have to retreat for anyone. At least the media are still free to report on this. And the ANCYL and Malema supports control of the media! Don't they realize that it may be the media that may eventually save their skins by reporting what is taking place?

  • rowen.loretz - 2012-03-14 23:47

    I am waiting for the day that news24 posts an article that states " Malema shot dead by firing squad "

      rowen.loretz - 2012-03-14 23:56

      it is true though....the ancyl have no respect for anyone or anything, not even for themselves. They want a war because they burn with hate at they blame it at the white minority all the time when in fact it is their government that they have been voting for that has failed them.

      Hugo - 2012-03-15 00:00

      should not wish death upon anyone.

      Fussed - 2012-03-15 07:32

      @ EKbliksemvirjou, Your first 3 words were enough

      Paula - 2012-03-15 10:14

      Wish I had the power to make everyones wish come true...

      Morama - 2012-03-15 11:11

      That's not a good wish boet...we are talking human life here?

      Fussed - 2012-03-15 13:47

      @ Morama, Dont change the subject now

      Willem - 2012-03-15 17:04

      @morama define HUMAN

  • Michelle Kirsten - 2012-03-14 23:49

    Contradiction much? So shooting boers is an incitement to church picnics, but saying something may have happened had it been in the past is an incitement to violence?? I know I cannot speak zulu, but damn these dudes need a thesaurus

  • PC - 2012-03-14 23:49

    What goes around, comes around.

  • Thokozane Maloka - 2012-03-14 23:51

    Double standards, the ANCYL is a joke, it actually died after Fikile Mbalula left office. I would also classify JM's singing the kill the boer song as inciting violence. Let us be objective, the MK Veterans said, he would have, not he will. Its not nice when the shoe is on the other side.

      JohanLombard - 2012-03-15 14:46

      It actually, in my opion, died before that - when Peter Mokaba took office.

  • Luthando Yaso - 2012-03-14 23:54

    MKMVA how many wars did you take part in?

      Maarten - 2012-03-15 07:37

      Only the wars in South West Africa, Rhodesia and the one that liberated South Africa. How many did YOU take part in? We may have been on opposite sides, but I have nothing but respect for those who fought for what they believed in.

      Nigel - 2012-03-15 07:54

      you live in America & you can't even spell it

      Herman - 2012-03-15 08:39

      @ Maarten, there wasn't a fought to liberate SA, it was terrorism and attacks on civilians. The anc and mk never liberated SA, they were given it an a platter. Now they are breaking it down to just another African country.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-15 11:34

      None.

      Angela - 2012-03-15 13:28

      @Maarten, you obviously do not know too much about those wars. My brother fought in different battalions in the Angolan war from 82-88, and he swears he never saw any MK cadre's. Only FAPLA/UNITA/Cubans/SADF, some SWAPO and oh yes some Russians.

  • george.vanniekerk - 2012-03-14 23:58

    "juju?".(tsk, tsk?)...GO!.to SCHOOL!...;(

  • Hugo - 2012-03-14 23:59

    yes He would have been shot.The ANC in exile ,esp in camp Quattro,became notorious for killing their own for innocuous acts.Malema's actions were tantamount to mutiny and if it was still struggle days,he would have been summarily executed.Why the fuss ANCYL,no one said they will be shot.I am sure fat one is shaking in his gucci boots.Chill out fatso no one will harm you .

      Hannes - 2012-03-15 07:43

      Prisoners in the African National Congress' Quatro camp in Angola were subjected to daily torture, an Umkhonto we Sizwe cadre imprisoned in the camp in the 1980s told the Truth and Reconciliation Commission on Tuesday. Diliza Mthembu told the commission's special hearing on prisons in Johannesburg that he was tortured and beaten during his four and a half years' imprisonment, often for no reason. "Prisons in Africa are very horrible. The conditions are bad," he said. He developed asthma and high blood pressure as a result of his imprisonment in various prisons in Angola. He said he was an ANC chief-of-staff and the commander of a training camp called Caxito in Angola, as well as the ANC's representative in Benguela province in the 1970s. His father, Abel Patrick Mthembu, a founding MK member and deputy leader of the ANC in then Transvaal, was killed by the ANC in 1978 when it was alleged he had betrayed the organisation.

      Nigel - 2012-03-15 07:55

      Malemas actions are Treason, he should be tried for plotting to overthrow the Government along with Granny Mandela & Tokyo

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 00:05

    ANCyl you said you are not ANC so why now you cry to ANC ,please swear at MK like you do at everyone or you know MK dont take nonsencse from boys

      Steven - 2012-03-15 11:30

      Well said mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Anette - 2012-03-15 13:58

      Totally agree with you.

  • Nyandeni Simphiwe - 2012-03-15 00:08

    The ANCYL are like a bunch of attention seeking high school girls...when malema was singing kill the boer they said nothing but now that hes threatened they cry foul..how ironic

      John - 2012-03-15 04:35

      Nyandeni. "The ANCYL are like a bunch of attention seeking high school girls"...experiencing their first period.

      Marion - 2012-03-15 12:19

      @Nyandeni Simphiwe - why was it necessary to bring girls into the equation - why couldn't you just say 'teenagers'? @JohnB - instead of mocking girls about their first period, be grateful that you don't have periods and all the associated mood swings that go with the hormonal changes.

      marcanthonytaylor - 2012-03-15 18:14

      Battle of blood river II

      Riaan - 2012-03-15 20:00

      Chill out Marion.

  • Kraken - 2012-03-15 00:11

    I say listen to the ANC members who actually contributed to the struggle and a good cause. Bring on the firing squad

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-03-15 00:27

    When Jacob Zuma sings. Bring me my machine gun, what does he mean. If they weren't so pathetic it would be amusing.

      jeremy002 - 2012-03-15 06:44

      You are absolutely correct. Umshini wami!

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-03-15 00:32

    He would've faced necklaceing.

      PB - 2012-03-15 08:26

      Which vehicle's tyre would fit that fat neck ... With all the lard around, there would be a really impressive bonfire.

      Anette - 2012-03-15 14:00

      If you need some BIG tyres. Please let me know. I will gladly supply them free of charge.

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-03-15 01:14

    "We call for [the African National Congress] to take immediate action on the people who incite violence in the ANC," JULIUS! YET YOU SING SHOOT THE BOER AND IS RESPONSIBLE FOR FARM MURDERS EVERY WEEK?? HYPOCRYT!

  • karsten.kaminski - 2012-03-15 01:19

    Ha ha ha. Live by the sword, die by the sword. ..... Sorry I forgot the obligatory "I'm sorry" neh :)

  • sariena.robbertse - 2012-03-15 01:45

    Why this fuming?He has a wood head.No brain no pain.

  • Fanie - 2012-03-15 02:22

    Now i do not understand. These same people who ignore the ANC's outcome of it disciplinary people , whant those same people of the ANC to diciple some tough guys who know what discipline is. Watch out children you are going to get a hiding.

  • Haydon Solomon - 2012-03-15 03:26

    This idiot of a sec gen, should visit a dentist @ sort that space in his mouth out, cause u can see the void in his head where his brain should b, also looking @ his anatomy I think he is a candidate 4 ARV treatment

      Marion - 2012-03-15 12:21

      @Haydon - your comment about ARV treatment is totally unnecessary and in poor taste.

      Riaan - 2012-03-15 20:06

      Marion Your comment is in poor taste and also totally unnecessary (really, really unnecessary).

  • Dave - 2012-03-15 03:54

    Yip, that sum's it all up. It's all right to sing kill the boer, because it's been taken out of context because that's not what it really means? But they are up in harms about comment of what would have happened in the old days....This mentality would be ok if from a bunch of school children, but this is the future leaders and policy makers of South Africa!!! The most worrying thing however is the fact that the leaders in power at the moment are no better unfortunatly. They defended the shoot the boer song and our very own president sung it and his favorit hand me my machine gun. I for one see no hope for our country if we have leaders that can't move forward and bring us together as one nation.

  • Greg Davies - 2012-03-15 04:31

    If it was still the struggle area the sadf would have organized a firing squad for Julius .

  • Tony - 2012-03-15 04:36

    Viva MK! Viva!

      Tony - 2012-03-15 06:07

      Mashini wami .....

  • Craig - 2012-03-15 05:11

    In terms of his own utterances Juju has made it clear the struggle continues, and yes, should it have been in the "olden days" he would have been put up against a wall and shot, no doubt about that

  • brionyl.french - 2012-03-15 05:18

    Bwahahahahahaha, talk about rubbish!!!! Either way the world would be a better place without the Hitlers, Mugabes, Malemas, Hussains and all the other dictators who got God Complexs...Lets dump them!!

  • braamc - 2012-03-15 05:56

    Who is Julius Malema?

      Tony - 2012-03-15 06:06

      What is faeces ?

  • Tony - 2012-03-15 06:03

    Little farts can dish out insulting comments, but can't take factual comments ..apparently the little twits feel insulted! But then again, the ANC and Jooliass will no doubt be said to be products of apartheid, the colonialist etc etc etc.

  • Carry - 2012-03-15 06:10

    JUJU INCITES VIOLENCE AND HATE ALL THE TIME. IT HAS TAKEN THE ANC ALL THEIR YEARS IN POWER TO FIR HIM AND HE JUST WON'T GO, BECAUSE HE HAS TOO MUCH TO LOOSE. HE HAS LIVED THE TRUE LIFE OF WHAT THE WHOLE ANC'S POLICY IS ALL ABOUT : WE DEMAND ! FREE HOUSING, FREE LAND, WHAT WE SEE WE CAN JUST TAKE. AND THOSE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FIGHTING FOR THE POOR HAVE BECOME INSTANT MILLIONAIRE'S ............... AND THE POOR UNFORTUNATLEY WILL STAY THAT WAY, PINNING THEIR HOPES ON PEOPLE LIKE JUJU - WHO REALLY ARE ONLY IN THIS FOR THEMSELVES.

  • Mark - 2012-03-15 06:15

    With the amount of damage he has done to the ANC's reputation (such as it is) and the internal structures (such as they are) he would have been suspected of working for the so-called third force, and been taken for a ride with a certain 'mother of the revolution' and her 'soccer club'. The only historical inaccuracy is the use of 'firing squads' by the terrorists against those whom they believed were traitors. We all know that after being crowned with a billy club and given a gasoline filled tire for a wreath, he would be left for dead after a brief fireworks display.

  • Glen - 2012-03-15 06:15

    We have so many priorities to attend to in South Africa yet we continue to have our attentions diverted by the senseless neverending publicity given to someone insignificant. Why can`t every news agency relegate this person back to obscurity where he belongs and rather focus on the important things and people who really can make a difference?

  • Valencia Van Toiter Nongauza - 2012-03-15 06:19

    this getting more n more complicated, Malema has to stop this n deal with his issue.

  • Carry - 2012-03-15 06:23

    NOW THAT THE ANC HAVE EXPELLED HIM - CAN S.A. EXPEL HIM TOO ? WE REALLY DON'T NEED OR WANT HIM HERE. WE ARE ALSO SICK AND TIRED OF READING ABOUT HIS CONTINUOS POISONOUS RANTS AND RAVES. SOON THE POOR IN THIS COUNTRY WILL LEARN, THAT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING IN LIFE - THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE IT IS TO WORK. NOTHING IS FOR FREE - TO GET SOMETHING FOR FREE WOULD MEAN IT WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM SOMEBODY ELSE.

  • steveroodt - 2012-03-15 06:29

    I am sorry to say a Bullet is to easy for this man.I would rather see him in a quarry breaking up rocks for R1.00 a day.His sentence 50 million days this to cover all the cash he stole from the poor.

  • steveroodt - 2012-03-15 06:37

    Remember remember Winnie and Stompie need i say more

      Mark - 2012-03-15 07:12

      Haha, I just wrote about that.

      Derk - 2012-03-15 08:34

      where is Winnie The Poo lately,is she still sitting on her fat ass and getting paid for doing nothing like the rest of the ANC conrades

  • Passop - 2012-03-15 06:39

    LoL And HOW is this different to what Juju has been saying for the past 2 years?

  • jeremy002 - 2012-03-15 06:40

    Och, dinna fret yerselves, man! If this was China just about the entire upper and lower leadership structure of the ANC and it's beloved Youth League would have been executed for corruption and fraud by now. So far you have all gotten of very lightly, if not scott free.

  • Pieter Erasmus - 2012-03-15 06:45

    ANCYL are acting like a bunch of school kids

  • Econwald - 2012-03-15 06:46

    (MKMVA)is better than malema Mr Mavundla is acting like he is the law, never Malema's facts (ANCYL) are clearly understood, can please Mr Chikane write another book about the expulsion of our Leader

  • Blane - 2012-03-15 06:52

    What a pleasant thought

  • hein.huyser - 2012-03-15 06:55

    What these arrogant ANCYL fools don't realise was that Mal-emma`s remarks re Botswanna was tantamount to a declaration of war. Now what part of that don`t they understand, or is the "open feeding-troth" too great an attraction for these fools to think?

  • Fahim Hoosen - 2012-03-15 06:56

    It's so amateurish that news 24 uses just any picture to go along with their stories.

  • ISO - 2012-03-15 06:58

    Children respect your farthers and mothers.

      Mandilakhe Vader Vanqa - 2012-03-15 08:37

      Same way around!

      Marion - 2012-03-15 12:27

      Respect is earned. ERGO so many leaders in SA are not treated with respect by anyone, whether they are young or old.

  • Jacques Jacobs - 2012-03-15 07:02

    It's never too late... We can still organize it... :-)

  • Ron - 2012-03-15 07:02

    I wish they would lower the graduation age from the ANCYL. I believe members only move on when either your your IQ or age reaches 35.