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Malema wraps up with 'if', 'but'

2011-04-21 22:04

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema ended the first leg of his hate speech trial by saying that if one farmer or farmworker was not killed through not singing lyrics that translate as "shoot the boer", it would have been worthwhile not singing it.

"Yes, if the song is causing death it (not singing it) was worth it to stop singing it," he said as TAU-SA advocate Roelof du Plessis put the last question of two days in the witness box to him.

But, outside the court, he was adamant that the right to sing the lyrics would go all the way to the Constitutional Court if necessary.

He told supporters who had watched the e.tv live feed on a big screen on the pavement, that neither farmers nor farmworkers should be killed.

"We are concerned about farmers who are killed on the farms," he said, with a large image of himself on the screen behind him.

"But equally so we are concerned about farmworkers who are killed on those farms," he said to murmurs of approval.

"The loss of life is a loss of life and therefore we must never celebrate the loss of life," he said.

Historic meaning

Over the last two weeks the words "dubhula ibhunu" and their symbolic, literal and historic meaning have been scrutinised by witnesses from TAU-SA and AfriForum who brought the case against Malema, and the ANC.

The ANC has defended Malema's singing of the lyrics, four times in South Africa and once in Zimbabwe last year, with witnesses such as Minister in the Presidency Collins Chabane, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe and poet and cultural expert Mongane Wally Serote explaining that they form part of a catalogue of songs used to galvanise people during the armed struggle against apartheid.

Their use in current times is not to be taken literally and is used as part of the ongoing struggle for equality and transformation in South Africa, the court has heard.

However, AfriForum deputy CEO and youth movement leader Ernst Roets has explained that he and the group's supporters find the lyrics threatening, particularly to minorities and with his understanding of the translation of the word "ibhunu", it poses a threat to the safety of Afrikaners and farmers.

Mugabe's method wrong

On Friday Malema, who was trained to carry and use a gun by the age of 13, was adamant that this was not the case, adding that the isiZulu word for farmer was "umlimi".

He also denied a submission by Du Plessis that the lyrics were part of a greater plan to remove white farmers from their land.

Earlier Malema he told the court that the league had released a discussion document which proposed that land should be redistributed without compensation, because the current system of willing buyer, willing seller was not working.

He would not be drawn on repeated questions about whether this meant land would be taken from whites specifically.

According to the ANC's Freedom Charter, which he described as the Bible of the party, the land should be shared by all who work it in South Africa and the league believed that land owners would be open to discussion on parting with some of their land.

Asked by Du Plessis if that meant white people who did not agree would be put on trucks and taken away, Malema said: "That would be anarchic. That would be chaos."

The league did not agree with the way it was done in Zimbabwe, by war veterans under President Robert Mugabe's rule.

"He has done that, but the method is wrong," he said.

Asked whether the ANC Youth League was used by the ANC to get issues like nationalisation of mines going, Malema said that the league had a history of being a radical movement that made older members examine the possibilities of what they suggested.

Former president Nelson Mandela had done this and it was not because he was being used by the ANC, but because he believed in what he said.

Future president

Malema told the court that he felt that the two parties were moving closer over the issue of the lyrics and that they were open to unconditional dialogue outside of courts.

But AfriForum and TAU-SA said that the case should continue and dialogue could be a parallel process.

After Judge Collin Lamont, who Malema described as a "progressive" judge, adjourned the trial, ANC stalwart Winnie Madikizela-Mandela said outside the court that she wanted to thank AfriForum for bringing everyone's attention to the country's future president.

"We thank AfriForum for bringing us here to baptise our president the future president of South Africa," said Madikizela-Mandela.

Asked what the best outcome of the case could be, AfriForum attorney Willie Spies told Sapa: "A better understanding".

Comments
  • edvermaak - 2011-04-21 22:11

    Baptism of fire. May you feel the heat Malema!

      Judgmental - 2011-04-21 22:36

      I don't believe it, Pigs can fly

      Frungy - 2011-04-22 03:02

      Malema for president... I think I threw up a little in my mouth at the thought.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-22 06:53

      malema and ALL the other Racist ANC have never spoken a word of truth and can ONLY speak with a forked tongue! See even in this instance, in the court where it is recorded for all time comes one statement but immediately outside with the troop of baboon gullible's, is an "explanation" of the inside statement which is exactly opposite to what was said inside. These RACIST ANC whether they are OLD, or semi-old or just grizzled and wrinkled at birth are all born with that forked tongue licking in and out before all else, then follows the set of beady baboon/zanu-pf eyes that can only see what others HAVE so as to "take it by violent force" and never contemplate what that mushy stuff behind their eyes might be able to DO for themselves. YES, it is time to annoint malema - with one of winnie's tyres and some really flammable petrol. OR, possiboly even better - to string him up in front of the court and with the BIG SCREEN portrayal - get him to slit his gut open and walk around in circles until the last mm is strung around a pole, all the while watching his beady eyes on the lookout for anything bright and sparkling that he might TAKE with his 'burnt green forked tongue" spitting out mantashe type hissyfit against HIS FELLOW CITIZENS. and the youth hordes will look on AND CHEER as is their common bloodlust!

      Digit - 2011-04-22 10:22

      Perhaps ... but then, I find it hard to credit his "baptism" with anything plausible. He says ... " "We are concerned about farmers who are killed on the farms, ... " ... why only now ???? This the the first time he has ever made such a mention. If this "concern" was real, then why has he not been telling his followers this right from the beginning ..... ??? For this matter, why has the ANC not been doing so either ? The mere absence of such actions stinks of ulterior motives and double standards. Kind of ... " Do as I do not as I say !!!! "

  • edvermaak - 2011-04-21 22:14

    Winnie seems to always have her finger in the pie - and this time I think her finger is burning! She has this thing with flames - a bit like tyres, matches, murdered youth, lucifer.....

      Yoni - 2011-04-22 00:16

      Winnie is currently in the studio recording a new song: Eye of the Tyre. Soon she'll also have her own perfume on the shelves, it smells like the poor and the unwashed, is made from used condoms and one Stompie. The name? You're the Tyre!

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-22 06:56

      winnie has fingers? and for years I have only seen extended "Black Claws" with exceptionally long fingers and exhaustion from looking after all the toyboy teams - even sleeping through or simply not going to a single parliamentary meeting and so obviating her very need to be alive. RIH (Rest in Hell)

  • Jeff - 2011-04-21 22:23

    why does winnie still use mandela's name? she is divorced?

      edvermaak - 2011-04-21 22:59

      Hanger on....

      Tholumusa Ngema - 2011-04-21 23:34

      in african cultural tradion you only have two names birth and marital you dont go back and there is no devorce only only practicaly

      OomPiet - 2011-04-22 06:53

      I agree with Tholumusa Ngema...There's no divorce in any African cultures. You are born with your maiden name and once married, your marital surname is the one that you go to the grave with....'Till death do us part' If you are never married, you go to the grave with your father's surname, if you do not have your father's surmane then your mother's surname.

  • edvermaak - 2011-04-21 22:25

    Winnie is getting a bit "on" in years. I guess she needs to cradle "snatch" in order to secure a pension. The reality is that the current ANC hierarchy gives sweet phuque all about the Mandelas.

  • CeeCee - 2011-04-21 22:26

    Malema can be more reconciliatory on the last day of court. They have achieved their objectives - the people now know what will happen. One is: Land will be expropriated under an ANC government(Fact). As he mentioned in court - ANY LAND the government needs. That means not only farm land ment for redistribution BUT also land (including farm land) where there is mine prospects. There are many of the last mentioned in SA - and these are difficult to get hold of at the moment. No wonder the 2 big debates are LAND DISTRIBUTION and MINE NATIONALISATION.

  • Beam me up - 2011-04-21 22:28

    MALEMA WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA...NEVER EVER...THERE ARE TO MANY OF US THAT WILL MAKE SURE THIS NEVER HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Phlegm - 2011-04-21 22:49

      Mmmm, get Scottie to beam you up, the ANCYL is the next generation of the ANC, they are supported by the current party leaders and the people, and by people I mean the future voters, if the sheep do not get woken up and carry on voting for this Absolute Nepotistic Crap then Juju may very well be a future president!

      baasdingane - 2011-04-22 02:25

      You better beam your whiteass to an immigration agent - there are 79.4% blacks people to 9.2% white people in SA. (Im sure you are familiar with mathematics.) If democracy operates the way it is designed to, then this fatboy-clown malema stands a chance to be president. In other words; he has the "sapo-taaz tooo to-to mowba-lize"

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-22 09:31

      @baasdingaan And there were 3% Voortrekkers and 97% impi's at Blood River. 3 Voortrekkers were slightly wounded! And your point is?

      daddybyo - 2011-04-22 09:37

      The same was said about Mr Zuma. Maleme will be president and there is nothing that the minority of South Africans can do about it.

      Wow! - 2011-04-22 10:01

      Regretably I think that there is every chance that Malema will one day be president. It does not bode well for SA. It would be nice if the ANC could find an intelligent, forward thinking spokesperson for the future. BUT I GUESS the larder is bare - none of that ilk in the ANC

      Yoni - 2011-04-22 10:07

      @MrSpiderman: Baasdingane is just giving you a reality check, you and all the others with their heads in the sand. Just because you refuse to acknowledge the problem doesn't mean it's not there. I think you tend to forget that the hordes at Blood River were not armed with illegal firearms and "lost" police weapons like the ones of today. Catch a wake up, you chop!

      baasdingane - 2011-04-22 10:21

      MrSpiderman True, you voortrekkers shot the crap out of the locals, using your high powered rifles and cannons. The zulus had a few sticks and cowhide shields to bring to the party. I admire your bravado but things have changed slightly since 1838.

      MrSpiderman - 2011-04-22 11:28

      Yes, you may have the fire-arms and stolen police weapons, but you lack the knowledge! By the way, I am a local too!

      Sifiso - 2011-04-22 16:18

      do you understand the implication of the words you are saying BEAM me up?

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:01

      Whe zuma is removed, so will malema. This is farked up african politics.

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:02

      sefiso, he does know the implications but there is no alternative.

      peter.ngcamu1 - 2011-04-22 17:20

      pipe dream. you can't decide for the people of south africa. if they feel malema can lead them who are you to tell us you'll stop him. your views resembles that of helen 'facelift' zille: stop zuma. and we all know what the majority decided. and never say never ever again when commenting on sa politics.

      AZB - 2011-04-22 17:44

      @peter.ngcamu1 seems you are scared of Helen Zille dragging her into this debate. One cannot debate with a fool and you are one. Your (and thousands of others including mampara malema) "logic" defies all logic. What has become very clear is that JM is a porn of the ANC and what he utters are actually uttered by the anc. And yes Jm does stand a chance to become the next President; the question is will he be allowed to...

      Alan - 2011-04-23 06:21

      The same thing was said about the current idiot...............

      Dave - 2011-04-23 07:42

      Barrett M85 .50 caliber! It is accurare up to 2 km!

      THE.SRG - 2011-06-24 19:05

      so sorry for you guys,the fact is he will be the pres and thats that....you cant fight against such numbers...you may call me a coward but id rather leave and find a better place to live in,but a few years from now i'll still be here and see how old malema has failed.

  • Deset Rat - 2011-04-21 22:29

    Malema's roadmap to RSA's total destruction is playing out in Court for all to see.

  • Shahied - 2011-04-21 22:29

    Winnie...daarom het Nelson jou gelos !!! JY IS BEFOK !!

  • Pen Of Zorro - 2011-04-21 22:31

    The only blacks in SA who don't like Malema are a few thousand. The number of blacks who want Malema as president number in the millions. The only problem with people voting for Malema as president lies in the things they are not voting for - they are not voting for him to improve race relations, making government efficient etc. Their vote for Malema is an open mandate to take all the money from the rich minorities and n hand them over to the poor blacks. The political blacks are the ones that will own all the wealth and corporations while the poor blacks will "OWN the minorites" and the useless land.

      edvermaak - 2011-04-21 22:35

      mmmm.... do you think the poor blacks will understand this?

  • william.botha - 2011-04-21 22:36

    By Jove this guy is a pathological lair. He says "But equally so we are concerned about farmworkers who are killed on those farms,". There is due process in cases of murder. How many farm workers are being killed by farmers, white farmers? The amazing thing is the murmurs of approval. Its common knowledge that murder is against the law, who do not know this? Its is being said in a manner as to propose that murdering farmers is justified because farm workers are being killed. Come up with facts please.

      Matome Matloha - 2011-04-22 06:36

      Tshepo Matloga was killed by farmers and thrown into a river infested with crocodiles. Remember that..

      JunkPunch - 2011-04-22 07:08

      @Matome - How many farm workers have been murdered by farmers in the last 20 years? 2? 3? Not 3000 huh? Dumb ass.

      Sallie - 2011-04-22 07:47

      Matome, two wrongs does not make one right. Continuing with that attitude will never bring peace to this country

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-04-22 13:06

      Ahhh, but sally, thats the AFRICAN WAY! Don't come here with your western tendancies!

      THE.SRG - 2011-06-24 19:13

      your white tendencies....bloody agents...lol...rather be a bloody agent than the poor folks that end up with the crap he caused

  • Macho Mike - 2011-04-21 23:14

    Haywena Malema, you are a First Class Idiot, who continues to damage race relationships and business in SA. One day you will understand JuJu, that today's friends are tomorrows foes.

  • OomPiet - 2011-04-21 23:25

    South Africans really...Murder is a criminal act and we have a system that deals with those who commit it. The pain and effects of losing one's loved one has nothing to do with race, political affiliance, age, intelligence or any of thos ethings. Those who've been exposed to crime first hand will agree with me when I say that we should be looking into rectiying things that really matter united as South Africans irrespective of our differences. Should you wake up to a gun on your head at 2am you will not be woriied about Malema, AfriForum but your dear life and loved ones. This court case is clearly dividng us. Due to work, I stay in white dominated area. I rely on my neighbours for safety as they too rely on me. I don't need anything that is going to mess up my peace.

      1more.minori - 2011-04-23 07:41

      Oom piet. You say that "we have a system that deals with those who commit it." Remind me again what happened to the two guys who killed Eugene Terblanche? What a farce! Wake up and smell the violence. You cannot change what is in one's nature, and animals will always be animals.

  • lenand40 - 2011-04-21 23:35

    Whether you like Malema or not, he really kicked the Afriforum and Transvaal Agricultural Union's butts. Question one has is what was Afriforum expecting? Even if Julius loses, he can encourage others to sing the song and if he wins, the gloating will never end. In the end, this is one of the issues that should be part of a negotiated settlement instead of a court because no matter what decision, someone will be unhappy regardless of the evidence presented. I hope they start talking before closing statements because I suspect the decision will do more damage than even singing of the song.

      Yoni - 2011-04-22 00:12

      You can say so if you want. Fact is you're also a half-wit and one of these days one of Juli-ass's disciples will pay you a visit, of that I'm sure.

      Dave - 2011-04-22 07:55

      cut and dried, afriforum played right into their hands by going to court, ignore malema, don't give him publicity, don't condem him, ignore him altogether, he does not exist, if you do this you destroy his inflated ego

      Fanie Smal - 2011-04-22 10:25

      Ienand, nonsense. You haven't got the slightest idea of negotiation strategy. Afriforum tried to negotiate about this for years, but the ANC wasn't willing. They have forced the ANC with the Court action to negotiate. I was present during the Malema cross examination. The two advocates destroyed Malema's testemony in all but the most politically correct's eyes. You will see that in the verdict

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:05

      Do you really think malema won? You must be joking, a looney or high on drugs.

  • Karoobloed - 2011-04-22 00:09

    Neither farmers nor farmworkers should be killed. Only in RSA that would be a profound statement. Now let us get on with the business of promoting respect for life in RSA please.

  • Dundermoose - 2011-04-22 00:25

    "Yes, if the song is causing death it (not singing it) was worth it to stop singing it." If this is a verbatu quote then Malema must have been drunk on the stand. This makes no sense!!!

  • William - 2011-04-22 00:26

    So if he wants to distribute the wealth, does that mean I'll get his Mercedes that he has been driving to court, and that he'll be selling his house in Sandton to supply funds for the less fortunate... I don't thinks so... History will always repeat itself, there is too much foreign interest invested in this country for this obese jackass to take over.

  • James - 2011-04-22 00:49

    The "future president of South Africa"? Help!!

      Boiling Frog - 2011-04-22 02:10

      Yes, be very scared.

      Sifiso - 2011-04-22 16:21

      what is wrong eith him being the future president of south africa James?

      Mandla - 2011-04-23 13:40

      Sif iso the problem is that. We will have huge problem you stupid ignoramus.

  • Matome Matloha - 2011-04-22 06:24

    The will finally go back to its rightful owner..

      Beam me up - 2011-04-22 08:09

      If Africa is the cradle of mankind, when we (Whites)have rightfully claimed our land back.

      Mandla - 2011-04-22 09:17

      You are an idiot

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:11

      You are not the rightful owner. Go back to your tree in central africa, turd. go read up on the history of this country. My forefathers arrived in 1686 and yours?

      Mandla - 2011-04-23 13:38

      Sif iso I am so cleva

  • Gatvol - 2011-04-22 06:39

    Our future president Malema....mmm ok, from the frying pan into the fire. Some farmers believe that the government are secretly behind or even orchestrating these farm murders, to try and get white farmers to leave. Maybe that is why they are so jealously fighting to preserve that song. It's a very useful tool to get their bandits psyched up to go do the job.

  • lightning - 2011-04-22 06:53

    This idiot needs an education!

      Gatvol - 2011-04-22 07:00

      Oops, did I hit a nerve somewhere??

      multicon - 2011-04-22 09:51

      He is beyond educating. It happens when hatred consumes you. Yes YOU Malema.

      Sifiso - 2011-04-22 16:27

      i assume you are well educated to call him an idiot

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:18

      Yes sifiso, well educated unlike you who cannot see that the michelin man in psychotic and a danger to ALL south africans. (Go look up that big word in the dictionary)

  • Louis C - 2011-04-22 06:57

    This is not a traditional ANC song. Why is this not highlighted somewhere? There was a CD with traditional ANC songs, and dubhula ibhunu wasn't on there.

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:20

      The song is actually a PAC song which was first sung in 1982. The song was sung in public by peter moekabe -may his soul rest in hell.

  • asiseeit - 2011-04-22 07:31

    Shame on you Malema, and shame on you Winnie, misguiding the youth of South Africa, undoing years of reconciliation, shame on you.

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-22 07:32

    The Racist ANC YL IS A FAILED ENTITY. If the youth subscribed to and PAID to support the YL would be a worthwhile organisation HOWEVER the YL is only a funnel to lavish out tax payers monies that have been fraudulently channeled to it by the mother body that is rotting at the feeding frenzy table of hyena's and so negates the WORTH & the Youth.

  • jjhvan - 2011-04-22 08:01

    Personally I think the way the media report on this case, and any controversial matter, is playing in the hands of the ANC. In any other country there would be outright outrage by people and the media will reflect that in no uncertain terms. Same with murder cases. It is as if they want all of this to continue so that they have something to report on. The headlines should outright condemn Winnie and the likes of her and Malema in no uncertain terms.

  • Janine - 2011-04-22 08:29

    I was watching eTV yesterday and saw him mouthing off outside court - saying some scary things too - "we will take their land" etc.

  • CyberDog - 2011-04-22 08:29

    Truth be told, I am still unsure who is and would be a worse president, zuma, or melema, they are both useless, egotistic megalomaniacs, with absolutely no leadership abilities or any vision for South Africa. Seriously, without the underhanded tactics, emotional manipulation, party rhetoric and the ANC backing, how many followers would they really have. How many people would actually want to follow them cause they are good leaders, and they have a vision to make South Africa work. Cum-on South Africa, surely we have better than this. Cum-on ANC is this really what the whole struggle amounts to.... This is sad.

      saliem - 2011-04-22 08:56

      Totally disagree @Cyber - Malemmer has proven that he has outstanding leadership abilities. He is also very clearly seen as a very charismatic individual, hence his adulation by the masses. However, a great leader with no management skills is nothing more than a TRAGIC hero :P

      CyberDog - 2011-04-22 09:19

      @Saliem, what has he done to prove any form of leadership. What I view as the definition of leadership being: "Leadership is ultimately about creating a way for people to contribute to making something extraordinary happen." Any fool can do what melema is doing, if he could actually make a difference, even if he only had a vision to make South africa better, or attempt to unite the whites and blacks, then that would be a different story, that would be true leadership. He fails miserably, he is still only a party tool, far cry from any leadership abilities.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-04-22 13:11

      Saliem, the fact that you see Malema and the antics he continually perpetrates as evidence of "Great leadership" is the reason why africa looks like it does today and will never change.

  • Slapper - 2011-04-22 08:50

    JEEZ did this clown work it out for himself, or did someone beat it in to him? What a twat. At least it looks like they now accept that the song has no place in present day South Africa.

      THE.SRG - 2011-06-24 19:35

      but they still sing it

  • william.botha - 2011-04-22 09:09

    Malema and his cronies can't see the wood for the trees. Anyone against them is racist and must die. That is what I read between the lines. It was this bigot Malema who said "We will kill for Zuma". So in that case I suppose Tsvangirai is a racist to Mugabe.

      multicon - 2011-04-22 09:50

      Remember it started with one settler one bullet. Militant by all means, this song, Malema and ANCYL.

  • haha - 2011-04-22 09:13

    I don't think ANC will win any elections after the next one, so Winnie can vlieg into her "moer" with her next president!

      THE.SRG - 2011-06-24 19:39

      so wrong my friend,they not as smart as us to see the folly of their ways,they will just keep voting anc and that means malema...get you plans sorted in case cause i have,not sticking round here to see the twat sink this country

  • MrSpiderman - 2011-04-22 09:26

    I was amazed a few days ago when I read the complete song! 14 words on 79 lines! No wonder they had to get poet Serote to analyse and testify! It must've been a genius to put THIS one together!

  • Johannatan - 2011-04-22 09:38

    Dominnee en Malema moeten naar Kuba gaan en daar samen leven.

  • Windlass - 2011-04-22 10:00

    What a waste of life, time, money and resources … Drop the childish politics already and get on with what really is going to make a difference!!!

      Chloe - 2011-04-22 14:55

      Windlass what exactly are you talking about? He sings "KILL the boer (me), the farmer (me). And they do! Only a thug sings anything with the words Kill and thereafter mentioning a humanbeing. it's GOT to be dealt with. Have you any idea how many farmers have been tortured to death in this country? Have you ever had a gun in your face where the thug says "you white farmers should be killed!" and by the grace of God they miss! This is a real issue and if they don't stop it, woe to us. I know the poor need houses and services but NO-ONE, certainly not THIS government ever tell them to have less children ever. When I was poor, the last thing I would have had was a child, I waited until I could afford him, not only then but only when I could start a trust fund for him/her. Only then did I decide to have a baby. So do poor people have majority right based on numbers? Cruel numbers because those poor babies cannot fend for themselves - governments seek the numbers for votes and the poor grows ever greater in numbers. Can no-one see this? My G-d help us all. Then we have to hear about a killing song and a young poor youth born from a poor mother who could never look after him, will hear those words and see someone else as the devil, someone who never had anything to do with his poverty and the fact that he was born. Where are those irresponsible parents? All of it is evil.

  • Brieuse - 2011-04-22 10:02

    "He told supporters who had watched the e.tv live feed on a big screen on the pavement, that neither farmers nor farmworkers should be killed." It would never have gotten to this point if he'd just showed discretion. Yes, Freedom of Speech. Yes, people shouldn't be banned from singing songs. However, just a bit of discretion would have gone a long way. Personally, I'd love to give Malema a fat klap. He's not a child and shouldn't behave like a child.

  • Judith - 2011-04-22 10:06

    Since when did the ANC own the Freedom Charter? It was merely one signatory. And it only uses it as its bible when it suits. As for Winnie, it seems that birds of a feather flock together. Why are the body guards allowed to openly carry those rifles? They should have been arrested for breaking the law.

  • Long Range - 2011-04-22 10:50

    Winnie Mandela - You have a vivid imagination. There is no hope in hell that your potatoe face Malema will ever be president!! There are too many normal people that want a normal government. You have done nothing for SA. Nothing!! The only reason why you are anything, is you once were married to Madiba! Now you are just a fat ugly gravy eating old bag that going to die of old age soon. Then who cares! Malema is eating his words I see! Typical ANC coward!

  • JOHNNYBRAVO - 2011-04-22 10:52

    se julle lankal hy is die volgende prez. nou is dit net official.

  • George_III - 2011-04-22 11:05

    Winnie lacks respect and credibility. Her public utterings are therefore meaningless. In my line of work, I see it all the time: troublemakers come and go - they seem to be at war with themselves, and this spills over in their daily actions and words. For Malema to become a meaningful leader he will need to first make peace with himself. If not, he will become the distant memory that Peter Mokaba (former ANCYL leader) is.

  • mk47 - 2011-04-22 11:46

    Why are we concerning ourselves with this idiot what we should be doing is focusing our energy getting rid of things like these: http://www.news24.com/World/News/Austria-smashes-huge-child-porn-ring-20101219 http://www.news24.com/World/News/Australian-MP-held-on-child-porn-charges-20110421 http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Teen-tells-of-rape-by-her-carer-20110421

  • Dingaan - 2011-04-22 12:00

    People tend to under estimate the intelligence of the majority voters, and react to what they see in the media!! In my book Julius is a handy tool in the hands of the ruling party to take the focus off their own wrong doings. Unfortunately the repercussions of his statements has a horrendous effect. Maybe the ruling party should start with delivering on promises made and the proper functioning of existing governmental institutions before using Malema to promise more loot with land grabs and nationalization of mines with would not be in any one,s best interest but the fat cats themselves for a while.

  • Danie - 2011-04-22 13:26

    Ek betwyfel in alle eerlikheid Malema se bona fides. En na beskeie opinie met goeie reg. Dit is voor die hand liggend dat hy voorgesê was in betoog, want ons ken almal sy rigiede voortvarendheid en uitgesprokenheid in revolusionêre denke. In die tweede plek is hy 'n opperste rassis en outokraat met wanaangepaste idees. Ek verwelkom dié hofaksie teen Malema en glo dat hy nie andersins tot redelikheid geroepe sou wees indien die hof as gesaghebbende dit nie afdwingbaar stel nie. Julius Malema is nie redelik oortuigbaar nie en sal dit 'n vermorsing van waardevolle tyd wees om hom tot besinning te probeer bring. Malema se revolusionêre denke moet binne konteks van die gewraakte liedjie sowel as die geleentheid wanneer dit gesing, ontleed word. Dit is inderdaad so dat die woorde van die liedjie op alle "wit" mense gerig is en dat hy vanweë sy gebrekkige oordeelsvermoë, antagonistiese ingesteldheid sal reflekteer wat definitief nie versoenbaar is met versoening en nasiebou nie. Julius Malema hou van die kalklig en projekteer daardeur sy eie wanaangepaste idees na sy opponente om homself te probeer veronskuldig en fokus te verskuif. Hoe kan Winnie Mandela voortydig aanneem dat Malema die volgende opvolg president is en sodanig promoveer en terselfdertyd glo aan demokrasie binne konteks van die Grondwet? Beide van hulle is so voorspelbaar en sal mens nooit kan reken op hul woord of integriteit nie.

      william.botha - 2011-04-22 22:50

      Daar is n naam daarvoor Danie, n een party staat. Dit is ooglopend waneer daar gepraat word van die opposisie as n vyand. Hierdie land se toekoms is so versekerd soos ander Afrika lande wat in duie gestort het na westerse invloed verwyder was. Die westerse invloed in Suid Afrika het net die verkrummeling vertraag met so drie honderd jaar of wat.

  • amabok - 2011-04-22 13:32

    This country is fukt and Malema will probably be el-presidente - and be no different to Mugabe, Hitler, Idi-Amin, Chavez, Stalin, Pinochet....the list goes on and on.

  • Kevin - 2011-04-22 13:55

    During the Rwanda genocide Hutus were encouraged to 'kill the Tutsi cockroaches' and told people that the Tutsis were the enemy. 800000 people were murdered. 1600 white farmers have been killed in South Africa. Malema and others in the ANC sings "Kill the Boer". Are they trying to start a race war?

      Para-gun - 2011-04-24 09:42

      Yes Kevin they are trying because the strategy is to get the rest of the world to be believe that we looked for what we got and the poor natives should not be blamed for killing us. It happened to the whites in the Congo Kenya Zambia Zimbabwe Angola Mozambique etc. Time is getting few.

  • Chloe - 2011-04-22 13:57

    I am extremely concerned by what I observed at this court case thus far. It's as if the judge and both the main attorneys simply accept all of Malema's speeches. No-one took him to task - not really. I'm worried that he spoke out so freely about a MOST communistic ANC policy, which I certainly was never aware of, not to the extent blurted out by Malema. He kept reprimanding everyone to be respectful of this and that one, what in G-d's name do the dead have to do with this court case. Why can a surname not be used as in the press? I fear for my family. I think we're looking at evil times ahead since no-one has countered this person. The court case seems weak in the extreme, it's almost as if one thinks that it's some kind of set-up to give the ANC a place to speak freely, what with an election at hand. It is scary evil stuff I heard. I think the white man's time is up in this country. I never knew that they were communist through and through. That's what nationalisation across the board implies. And of course, young thugs/killers will deliver it to them on a plate. Why was everyone so silent in that court? Does this judge actually think it's all good with Malema? I'm scared.

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:29

      What is scary is that malema respects the judge. Is this dude also an anc supporter? Malema would never respect anyone white unless he was a cadre.

      william.botha - 2011-04-22 22:44

      It's mafia style, capishi. You agree or...

      Chloe - 2011-04-23 17:22

      Apie The thing is never ONCE was he called to order by the judge, what with the wild statements by Malema. Surely the stuff he said was against the constitution, otherwise we've all had it. Can anybody tell us what was up with that very accommodating judge? Was it a real court case or is it some kind of nonsense debate, someone has to pay for? Why has NO authority slapped Malema about the stuff he says? The court case seems to me, a massive farse. It was like everbody agreed with everybody. Did the ANC want him to tell us once and for all that it's tickets? or what exactly is going on in that seemingly lame court.

  • Orosman - 2011-04-22 14:54

    When you young you are prepared to rock the establishment. The previous party leaders blew up train stations etc. They were part of the Ossewa Brandwag. They were then young man willing to go the extra mile for what they believed in.The right wing group (Afriforum), mainly Solidarity, had closed shop agreements in the mines and prevented black from going forward. Any training of blacks had to be passed by THE THEN WHITE MINE WORKERS UNION. So Julius is showing the right wing up and he would make a great leader

      apie - 2011-04-22 17:31

      orosman, you are delusional, dude. Your facts are skewed. Back to the tik, man.

      william.botha - 2011-04-22 22:42

      Hehe, you're joking right?

  • YEBOCOCO - 2011-04-22 14:55

    Apartheid Era finished on 1990, WHY Malema is still singing this song????? The Government is black, ANC got power, WHO are the enemies now??? THEMSELVES???? Malema is dangerous because he's tricking the people to think they're still under apartheid rule.

      william.botha - 2011-04-22 22:41

      Yebo goggo

  • Kakabooi - 2011-04-22 14:56

    If "umlimi" means Farmer and "ibhunu" is isolated to mean Boer, then clearly one should not attempt to use Zulu to translate Afrikaans to English and other way. The meanings in Zulu are actually different for the two terms, which means one has undisputed facts about the meaning of the term in the song to kill Boers. One cannot be blamed to still suspect that the term "Boer" or "ibhunu" is an expression reserved for racist incitement. The other term Umlini is not under suspicion. Why don't Malema and cronies change the word of the song "ibhunu" to "apartheid" and get it over with? Many names of places, streets, areas, airports have been changed to improve "diversity" and "rainbow nation". What makes this song insensitive to this context? And please note that a "YES" vote in 1992 brought change, not some fanciful "struggle". So stop "shooting" you mouths off about change in this country and simply accept facts. The minority brought the change about. Be glad for it and let's move on after gagging the song. It's past expiry date anyway. Nice evidence to can the word "ibhunu" like another sensitive already canned word. Thank Malema for this progress.

      theelderz - 2011-04-22 17:49

      so u say they just decided to say yes (in 1992) without any pressure.u need a mind

      Kakabooi - 2011-04-22 20:32

      There was pressure theelderz, the same pressure which would have probably rendered the same vote outcome any other time. It was time to move on and the opportunity presented itself beyond the control of the NP regime. Communism was dying and the "rooi gevaar" abated. But it had nothing to do with an armed struggle by the ANC. The song in question claims "victory", of what? Now next time, attack with some evidence yourself.

      VuyosWors - 2011-04-22 21:21

      I wish the ANC would give some real facts regarding the battles they won against the Apartheid government. Where and when were they fought? I was around then and all I remember was blacks being very subservient. Its amazing how easily they have brainwashed todays youth into beliving that they liberated them. Hang on, what am I saying? Its actually not amazing given the intellect of the youth in question.

  • the unamed - 2011-04-22 15:46

    hahahahah malema for president LOL what a flippen joke hahahaha , i can be a better president because i passed my woodwork with an A hahahha

  • theelderz - 2011-04-22 17:45

    l would rather have land to nigerians than africaners.land to the africans than white settlers

      Peter - 2011-04-23 08:39

      Whats up , your drug dealer got bust ?

  • kbngema - 2011-04-22 18:28

    If we focus on our differences like this we will get nowhere. We should teach our leadership that we are united by speaking with the same voice. We are all South Africans we like it or not.

  • Monica - 2011-04-22 18:33

    No song relating to killing people should be sung in a country that has so much crime!! You are teaching the youth it is okay to kill!!!!