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Manuel a right-wing force, says ANCYL

2011-03-02 12:33

Johannesburg - National Planning Minister Trevor Manuel has sided with "right-wing political forces opposed to the ANC", the ANC Youth League said on Wednesday.

This was in reaction to the minister calling government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi a "worst-order racist".

The ANCYL was "disturbed" by the open letter Manuel wrote to Manyi, which was published on Wednesday, said spokesperson Floyd Shivambu.

"In the letter, Trevor Manuel labels Jimmy Manyi a racist and likens him to the architect of apartheid HF Verwoerd because of an unfortunate observation Jimmy Manyi made, that coloured people are concentrated in the Western Cape," said Shivambu.

"The youth league is disturbed, because as far as we are concerned Jimmy Manyi publicly apologised for those remarks and the ANC and most of society have accepted the apology."

'Sarcastic' tone


Shivambu said the tone of Manuel's letter was "very sarcastic".

"We now do not know who Trevor Manuel represents, because his remarks falls squarely into the political agenda of right-wing political forces opposed to the African National Congress," said Shivambu.

He accused Manuel of working with and protecting the interests of "white monopoly capitalists".

Anyone who had "subjective sentiments" on Manyi should, unlike Manuel, deal with the issue "internally".

"Such conduct is totally out of order," said Shivambu.

The Congress of SA Trade Unions (Cosatu) on Wednesday called for an investigation into statements made by Manyi that there was an "over-supply" of coloured people in the Western Cape.

This was said in an interview conducted with Manyi on the DStv channel KykNET last year.

Solidarity trade union posted a clip of the interview on YouTube last week.

'Over-concentration of coloureds'

Manuel, in his letter to Manyi, was reacting to the statements he made in the KykNET interview when he said "this over-concentration of coloureds in the Western Cape is not working for them".

Manuel wrote: "Mr Manyi, you may be black, or perhaps you aren't, because you do not accept that label and would prefer to be 'only a Xhosa', whatever the label you choose, I want to put it to you that your behaviour is the worst-order racist".

Manyi's comments came at a time when controversial amendments have been proposed to labour laws, which according to Solidarity trade union, could cause one million coloureds to lose their jobs in the Western Cape.

This has been denied by the labour department.

The ANCYL said it would not support any bill that excluded "certain people".

"For the record, the ANC Youth League will never agree with any piece of legislation that excludes or discriminates against the historically disadvantaged individuals, and this includes coloureds, Indians and Africans.

"The ANC and its allies has in more than one occasion re-affirmed that the bill that somewhat suggests exclusion of certain people will not be adopted as an act of parliament, so those who are raising false alarms should in all honesty, relax," said Shivambu.

Comments
  • Alwyn - 2011-03-02 12:38

    Trust the Jokers to come up with another laughable statement,The Tokolosh was accused of being the third force ,now Manuel who has served the ANC while Shivambu was still sucking on his mother tit is being accused of being involved with the right wing force,If this was true i would have jumped for joy because we need insiders but unfortuanatly its again only a Stupid comment from JuJus crony.But its evident that cracks are widening within the ANC

      Rolie - 2011-03-02 13:08

      KFC's latest take away - Left wings and lots of A-holes!!

      Alwyn - 2011-03-02 13:25

      Sganja,its called transparancy,he had the right to make his veiws public,after all it affects a lot of people in the cape

      Krush - 2011-03-02 13:28

      @sganja - why should anything be hidden? feeling guilty? hate the truth coming out? wouldnt you just love it if everything happened behind closed doors. would truly suit your corrupt agenda.

      Fabian - 2011-03-02 13:31

      ANCYL is a bunch of A-holes!!!

      Wonderboy - 2011-03-02 13:40

      The youth league were not informed that this is an ANC stunt to get the coloured vote in the Western Cape. Trevor is doing a clever job for the ANC here.

      Grant - 2011-03-02 13:42

      @sganja: Manyi made his comments to the general media, he did not keep his viewpoint hidden behind closed doors so why should Manuel? Or has Manyi simply slipped up and publicly stated exactly what is the ANC viewpoint from behind closed doors?

      modefan - 2011-03-02 14:09

      F the ANCYL! bunch of laaitjies! they should keep their noses out of grown up's bussiness, children should be seen and not heard, especially if they're stupid! Thandi:'Hey Vusi, lets elect a leader today' Vusi:'But who will we vote for to guide us and be the face of the organisation?' Thandi:'I know! lets vote for, the dumbest muthaf@ker that we can find!' Vusi:'Great idea! I know a guy who didn't even pass woodwork'...

      24newsreader - 2011-03-02 14:18

      Sganja I would love to see what the ANCYL would have said if Trevor had made the same remark but about blacks?

      Alwyn - 2011-03-02 14:19

      Whites apologised for things that happened during apartheid,but i still see Derby Lewis in prison,or is apology only aceptable when made by Black people,this is what you attempt to say with your posting.You can not always sweep things under a carpet by saying "im sorry"and the fact is his spokesperson apologised on his behalf,he never apologised so first get your facts straight

      Deon - 2011-03-02 14:27

      sganja you biased idiot. Manyi used the media to make his statement in the first place!!!! How f.... dumb can one be?

      Ben - 2011-03-02 14:28

      @ sganja : I bet if it was a white outjie who made a racist remark about one of your black brother's, he could have apologised until he is blue in the face, you would still call for his blood! Thats the problem with the racist blacks like you. You think there is double standards in this country, and that the laws only aply to "everybody else".

      Shabnam Singh - 2011-03-02 14:35

      WTF? Since when do we tell people where they can live and what they can do? So what if there is a large concentration of coloureds in the WC or Indians in Durban or pink martians on the moon? That's their prerrogative. Maybe it's because the larger concentration of these people in these areas do not suit the ANC plan of 'winning' the upcoming elections. Move coloureds out of CT and move blacks in and then give them free t-shirts and the ANC will win. When people don't sing to their tune then they are suddenly traitors a 'right wing force'. Why ANCYL monkey? Because he had the gall to stand up and defend the constitutional rights of the coloured people? You do know what the constitution is, right? When the ANCYL spokesidiot made the comment he should have just stopped with 'The ANCYL is disturbed.' Tossers!

      Kaapie - 2011-03-02 14:45

      Hell I wanted to play Manuel on the left wing!!! On a mor serous note Sganja.. Manyi made stupid remarks echoing his true feelings and did not apologise for it. How better to handle it than to put him on his place. Clearly there seems to be an agenda amongst ANC members that echo ethnicity and tribalism which will still come to the fore.

      squeegeepilot - 2011-03-02 14:49

      Only the ANCYL has the right to critisize members of the ANC in public! Don't you morons know this. It has been decreed by king Julius the last. Shivambu, his crown ponce, speaks as his royal oracle (or is that ahole?)

      jds - 2011-03-02 15:42

      @sganja-He has not apologised, Mona did the apology. The ANCYL is like a bunch of children who can only dish out but when they receive they scramble and place the blame on anyone else but themself. Why should Manuel be held responsible for speaking the truth within his righths when in fact Jimmy was the one who spoke out of turn and humiliated the ANC?

      Win14 - 2011-03-02 17:18

      "Apologised" se f*cken moer! He knew exactly what he was saying, and knew beforehand that he would apologise. He is a f*cken politician, man. They know all the tricks, and you are being tricked. The Coloured better watch out for themselves if they don't want to become pawns of the ANC. The ANC wants to see them spread over the whole country, or even better: into any other country. The ANC knows that Coloureds, unlike their black locust supporters, can think for themselves, and that's far too dangerous. So if you can scatter the Coloureds all over - well, thank you very much, that'll dilute their vote into non-existence. And Zuma can start dishing out what's left of the billions to his 25 children. Merc and BMW are waiting in the wings - they know this is coming.

      sganja - 2011-03-02 17:30

      Manuel must go!

      lldoidge - 2011-03-02 17:44

      sgnaja, climb back into your loin cloth and head for the hills. This world is too sophisticated for an idiot like you.

      Great White - 2011-03-02 18:09

      Floyd Shivambu is a brainless, young clown that has no right taking a swing at someone like Manuel. Manuel has only done exemplary work for South Africa, as the IMF will attest to.

      Jack Black - 2011-03-02 18:42

      @sganja, the esteemed fool Manyi did not apologise himself, one of his cronies did it for him. Trevor is the man, and if he stood for president, I would vote for him!!!!!!!

      Perfume - 2011-03-02 18:58

      @sganja....hmmmmmmmmm the heat is on, Manyi is the one that has caused an uprising, now the Indians and Coloureds that have voted ANC wont be like blind sheep being led to the slaughter this time around. And furthermore Manyi spoke openly, nothing was said behind closed doors or perhaps what he spoke is an echo of the closet conversations, so why must Mr.Manuel be quiet, he has the right to voice his opinion as well. Mr Manuel is going nowhere, the wheel is turning however slow the wheel is turning!!!!!

      Anthony - 2011-03-03 10:15

      Please note stupid sganja: You know you F^%$&^ up when a spokesman needs a spokesman to apologise for him. Why are you so dumb?

      jwill - 2011-03-03 11:17

      Sganja must go!

      bem - 2011-03-03 15:44

      Alwyn, I love your comment!

  • BakkieB - 2011-03-02 12:39

    And again the uneducated children of the ANCYL have to throw in their 5c worth. Spinnnnnnnnnnnnnn away

      Darkie - 2011-03-02 12:43

      ha ha ha

      GetitRight - 2011-03-02 13:03

      He he he he. Manyi made a desperate call to Shivambu. @Many...who are "THESE THINGS...". An apology is just evidence of wrongdoing...the LAW SHOULD TAKE ITS COURSE.

      Fred - 2011-03-02 15:18

      In 10 years time these guys are going to be running SA, coloureds and Indians will be no safer than whites.

      Kvds - 2011-03-02 21:09

      ANCYL are such an embarrassment!

      GetitRight - 2011-03-03 00:33

      @Mantashe....Manuel on his own you say?....He he he he!...you scared of Julius OLD MAN. We all know how he SAVAGED you the last time you tried to address the young lions on a matter of principle. Or you trying to keep your job as ANC Secretary-General because Julius's side kick Mbalula is campaigning for the position of ANC Secretary-General. No backbone hey? Whatever happened to standing up for issues on principle as the STALWARTS in the ANC OF OLD use to do....people like TAMBO...MANDELA...SISULU....GOVAN MBEKI...etc. They debated...they decided on issues as matters of PRINCIPLE. You lot are morally CORRUPT....no BACKBONE. Even the KIDS determine how your'll react to issues that require attention. Your'll may as well get out the BLUESTONE or resort to CULLING the 'coloureds" in the Western and Northern Cape as the kind of people now occupying the echelons within the ANC will see that the ANC never wins the WESTERN CAPE....even in the next 100 years. Why does the ANC not also try FORCED REMOVALS...it may help to bring the "coloured" population lower in the Western Cape.....even maybe try it with the Zulu's in Kwa-Zulu Natal to see whether it will work. "Over surplus"..."relocate to other provinces"....He he he he! You lot are beginning to sound just like the NATIONAL PARTY OF OLD. He he he he!...different time...different faces...SAME S@%T! The Veterans in the ANC must be wondering whatever became of the organization they debated policies for...they fought so hard to mould

  • BakkieB - 2011-03-02 12:40

    Trevor Manual.......you agent bastard......lol

      GetitRight - 2011-03-02 18:21

      LOL....I think I would rather be known as the RIGHT WING than show support for MORONS like MANYI. You do yourself a disservice supporting this MANYI. @Shivambu....apologized....go f@#k yourself. He did not. Mona apologized on his behalf. If he did it is evidence of wrongdoing....the LAW MUST TAKE ITS COURSE. Manuel has served THIS NATION with distinction in the fight against APARTHEID....locked up on ROBBEN ISLAND...in resisting APARTHEID...he was not one of those who went into EXILE and lived in relative comfort...he fought here....and he SUFFERED. He subsequently became the LONGEST SERVING FINANCE MINISTER GLOBALLY and is WIDELY RESPECTED GLOBALLY. MANUEL is a TRUE SON OF THE STRUGGLE....of SOUTH AFRICA. I grew up as a ZULU and YOU show NO RESPECT FOR YOUR ELDERS. Shimvambu....who the F@#$K are you????? You, MANYI and many of your ilk are living off corrupt funds siphoned from Government coffers and spending R100million on a Youth Festival whilst many of our people live in abject poverty. Jou ma se @$#%. Hoor!....jou doof kind.

  • rohannish - 2011-03-02 12:40

    Floyd Shivambu, you are and idiot, Im guessing you probably had the same sort of school marks as your friend Julius, do us all a favour and go play on the N1 in peak traffic you moron!!!

      IandI - 2011-03-02 12:51

      Floyd is the palooka who spent a R100million on the youth Festival last year, where delegates dozed in the sun and played kissing games to pass time. He and Juju and tweedledee and tweedledumb> i think the two should play kissing games with each other and stay away from politics as they know nuttin.

      Rincewind - 2011-03-02 13:02

      at the spot where the crocs are...

      matla - 2011-03-02 13:54

      Shivambu is a Wits graduate - get your facts right stupido

      jay - 2011-03-02 13:59

      I would pay to be in a room with this guy..with a blunt object... just for a few minutes.

      ir8m8 - 2011-03-02 14:36

      Apparently Ju Ju only plays with the boys or atleast thats what the forums say

      Zion - 2011-03-02 14:37

      Matla, Shivambu may be a god in his own right but we don't have to hang onto his very words. I will never make a graven image out of a Graduate even if he/her is from wits.

      Warren - 2011-03-02 14:53

      @ matla: A Wits graduate of what??? Speaking shit??? All he is, is Malema's little bitch! After all, he is as you say from Wits & Malema is from failing high school woodwork. Dilema: "Where is my gofor?" Pink Floyd: "Here I am, boss." Dilema: "Get me Gee-me on the line." Dilema: "& is that rub-eesh in your pants, or are you just hap-ee to see me?"

      E.Nuff - 2011-03-02 15:37

      I saw something on the pavement today, that reminded me of Floyd Shivambu, and I almost stepped in it!

      Educated - 2011-03-03 08:27

      If Floyd is a WITS graduate then it just goes to show you how much they've lowered the level of education because it hasn't done jack for him.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 13:24

      @matla - A Wits graduate????? Just because you claim he is a Wits graduate does not make him intelligent. He probably bought his degree anyway. His is the second dumbest piece of rubbish I have ever seen in my life. The first dumbest is of course the one, the only, Julius "The Head Clown" Malema!!! VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!!!

      peter - 2011-03-04 13:28

      @ Matala - a Wits graduate correct yes. He is a qualified carpenter.

  • Joy - 2011-03-02 12:40

    ANCYL - Frack off

      LibranDiva - 2011-03-02 13:03

      Touche

      cmr.insurance - 2011-03-02 13:54

      No you have confused the little innocent brain deads. hahahaha

      GetitRight - 2011-03-03 00:35

      @Mantashe....Manuel on his own you say?....He he he he!...you scared of Julius OLD MAN. We all know how he SAVAGED you the last time you tried to address the young lions on a matter of principle. Or you trying to keep your job as ANC Secretary-General because Julius's side kick Mbalula is campaigning for the position of ANC Secretary-General. No backbone hey? Whatever happened to standing up for issues on principle as the STALWARTS in the ANC OF OLD use to do....people like TAMBO...MANDELA...SISULU....GOVAN MBEKI...etc. They debated...they decided on issues as matters of PRINCIPLE. You lot are morally CORRUPT....no BACKBONE. Even the KIDS determine how your'll react to issues that require attention. Your'll may as well get out the BLUESTONE or resort to CULLING the 'coloureds" in the Western and Northern Cape as the kind of people now occupying the echelons within the ANC will see that the ANC never wins the WESTERN CAPE....even in the next 100 years. Why does the ANC not also try FORCED REMOVALS...it may help to bring the "coloured" population lower in the Western Cape.....even maybe try it with the Zulu's in Kwa-Zulu Natal to see whether it will work. "Over surplus"..."relocate to other provinces"....He he he he! You lot are beginning to sound just like the NATIONAL PARTY OF OLD. He he he he!...different time...different faces...SAME S@%T! The Veterans in the ANC must be wondering whatever became of the organization they debated policies for...they fought so hard to mould

  • johncarlos.biza - 2011-03-02 12:40

    Stupid media, always publicizing what these nobodies say

      Graham - 2011-03-02 13:20

      nobodies? really?

      Fred - 2011-03-02 15:21

      the nobodies are going to be your boss soon, unless a decent, intellegent opposition springs up from somewhere, that seems very unlikely at the moment.

      IrishLuck - 2011-03-02 19:42

      @Graham & Fred True story. How depressing...

  • nonduplume - 2011-03-02 12:40

    Is this not just posturing to make the ANC (see there is internal debate) more attractive in the Western Cape. I used to admire Trevor but he has proved with the latest Fransman moves that he is no better that the worst clowns in the ANC. On the other side of the coin, Manyi has proved what everybody has always suspected about the ANC - it's all about black advancement and empowerment. The proof of the pudding is in the make-up of the cabinet and practically every senior official gov official, despite failure after failure.

      Emile - 2011-03-02 13:30

      @ nonduplume. The ANC will stoop lower than any level any organization has ever tried. Nothing the ANC does supprises me at all. With regards to the ANCYL - who the f@ck cares what a group of thugs that can't even properly read, count or spell has to say. The media keeps them alive. To me Malema and his idiotic cronies are water under the bridge. No culture, politial system or society will ever be able to properly tame them. They act like things from the bush because they belong in the bush.

      1stcase - 2011-03-02 13:46

      I would like to see any coloured vote for the ANC now. Do people need more proof.

      tinymeister - 2011-03-08 13:38

      @Emile - It would be very unwise of you to ingnore the ANCYL... Just keep in mind that this group "of thugs that can't even properly read, count or spell" will one day really soon, most likely be voting in our newest legislation. The seeds that they are sowing within our youth will one day come back to haunt us. Currently we have one raving lunatic... in a couple of years, his followers and students will form an entire cabinet of lunatics ;)

  • Darkie - 2011-03-02 12:41

    There you go again Shivambu....... Manuel a right wing? Don`t be a retard man, the points raised by Manuel in that letter are legit and anyone who`s mentally sound can see that.

      Tchaik - 2011-03-02 12:53

      anyone who is mentally sound... lol!

      PB - 2011-03-02 15:34

      Shivambu & co has their heads too far up Juliaaaas's aaaaaaaaaaaaaassss to see or hear anything, let alone think for themselves. After all, they know that being the little fat aaaassss's sidekick brings in the big moolah.

      GetitRight - 2011-03-03 00:36

      @Mantashe....Manuel on his own you say?....He he he he!...you scared of Julius OLD MAN. We all know how he SAVAGED you the last time you tried to address the young lions on a matter of principle. Or you trying to keep your job as ANC Secretary-General because Julius's side kick Mbalula is campaigning for the position of ANC Secretary-General. No backbone hey? Whatever happened to standing up for issues on principle as the STALWARTS in the ANC OF OLD use to do....people like TAMBO...MANDELA...SISULU....GOVAN MBEKI...etc. They debated...they decided on issues as matters of PRINCIPLE. You lot are morally CORRUPT....no BACKBONE. Even the KIDS determine how your'll react to issues that require attention. Your'll may as well get out the BLUESTONE or resort to CULLING the 'coloureds" in the Western and Northern Cape as the kind of people now occupying the echelons within the ANC will see that the ANC never wins the WESTERN CAPE....even in the next 100 years. Why does the ANC not also try FORCED REMOVALS...it may help to bring the "coloured" population lower in the Western Cape.....even maybe try it with the Zulu's in Kwa-Zulu Natal to see whether it will work. "Over surplus"..."relocate to other provinces"....He he he he! You lot are beginning to sound just like the NATIONAL PARTY OF OLD. He he he he!...different time...different faces...SAME S@%T! The Veterans in the ANC must be wondering whatever became of the organization they debated policies for...they fought so hard to mould

      BilboBaggins - 2011-03-03 10:21

      Exactly! You make public atatements, you will get public responses. Simple as that. What kind of 'democracy'writes racist labour laws without due consultation? what kind of police state is this that wants to force people to live in other areas so they can snatch their jobs? APARTHEID did it and........here we go again! How history repeats itself and how we forget what the struggle was about when rife corruption and twisted tenders are the order of the day. When R40 million of money meant for charity is given to Malema for a 'festival of clowns". When the ANC's own supporters have to strike and burn places for the ANC'S FAILED SERVICE DELIVERY. What does it matter what 'race' we are when the country is already known as a 'failed state' internationally?

  • Shadoz - 2011-03-02 12:41

    why are we even listening to what these bunch of rugrats say and why is there even news about them. as far as i am concerned a bunch of kids have no say in the grown ups world. Rather go play with there toys that there leader made in woodwork.

      closedeye - 2011-03-02 13:40

      Please dont insult rugrats

  • Paps - 2011-03-02 12:41

    Malema is a left-wing force... so I guess it they both stay in the ANC they cancel each other out! Not to mention that the 2 of them together also form 1 brain (Manuel = 1.5 brain, Malema = -0.5 brain = 1 full brain)!

      Dude28 - 2011-03-02 12:55

      how does 1.5 + 0.5 give you 1?

      Dude28 - 2011-03-02 12:56

      Unless you want it to read manual half a brain and malema the other half? typo?

      BlackSwan - 2011-03-02 13:08

      Dude28 - get new glasses man - or stay off the drink in the morning. There is a minus-sign (-) BEFORE the 0.5. So, unless you wrote matric last year, you should be able to do the math

      Soapbox - 2011-03-02 13:09

      1.5+(-0.5)=1.0

      Masters - 2011-03-02 13:09

      @Dude28 You will note that Paps had it correct, you appear to have missed the negative sign in front of Malema: I quote - "brain (Manuel = 1.5 brain, Malema = -0.5 brain = 1 full brain)"!

      Greg - 2011-03-02 13:11

      It reads 1.5 -0.5=1.................

      CC - 2011-03-02 13:14

      Dude27 - read again carefully and note the "-" in front of Malema's brain. 1.5 + (-0.5) has always given 1.0.

      Law Abiding - 2011-03-02 13:19

      Malema's got a brain?

      Nuusleser24 - 2011-03-02 13:38

      @Dude28 - Add your brain as well and were still left with 1 brain(Math lessons anyone?)

      Kaapie - 2011-03-02 14:48

      Malema couldnt play on either wing too fat and too slow. Brain in reverse mode

      Voidy - 2011-03-03 13:10

      No people, Malema is a far right agent, he is there to make the darkies look stupid.

  • Realist - 2011-03-02 12:41

    These twats are sounding more like robber mugarbage by the day!

  • cromagnon - 2011-03-02 12:42

    Trevor Manual generates more brainpower during one night of sleep than Shivambu has in his lifetime

      Claire - 2011-03-02 12:52

      How true... How the ANC allows the likes of the ANCYL to say anything is beyond my comprehension, I am now convinced that with people like Jimmy, Kuli Roberts and the ANCYL we will never be a united SA. Its a sad day.

      Wonderboy - 2011-03-02 13:43

      Quite true, he is clever. He has managed to fool many people here thinking he has balls to write this but it is just an ANC plot to get the people in the W Cape to vote ANC.

      cmr.insurance - 2011-03-02 13:58

      I had a Shivambu this morning, but flushed it away was no good to man or beast.

      Felix - 2011-03-02 14:17

      cmr.insurance, I hope you wiped your malema afterwards!

      Thas-Man - 2011-03-02 14:25

      @Claire, This unity should have came during the oppression time and the apartheid regime. More than 350 years of oppression against black people and then the oppressors are expecting black people to forgive & forget within 17 years of freedom. I am not saying we must not unite at all, however you must understand that there are still people who don't want nothing to do with black people like Orania and black wanting nothing to do with white people. You must first be the change you want to see in our beloved country, united we stand & divided we fall. Aluta Continua

      4daluvofSA - 2011-03-02 15:20

      Gee, just because the man used to give a good budget speech every year now he is Einstein? Do you know what goes into the preperation of that budget speech and how many people work under him?

      DT - 2011-03-02 15:54

      Trevor should change his surname to automatic. He's about the only person that doesn't need to change gears by picking his nose.

      Voidy - 2011-03-03 13:12

      @Thas-man - ignored.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 13:39

      @cmr.insurance @Felix - EPIC LOL!

  • wduv - 2011-03-02 12:43

    No! This is good! Let the ANCYL make this enemy! Beautiful I tell you!

      Melly30 - 2011-03-02 13:25

      Why?

      thinker - 2011-03-02 13:49

      It does not take much to be their enemy, just disagree with them in public.

      Ben - 2011-03-02 14:38

      I agree with wduv! Trevor Manual is a well respected politician not only locally, but internationally. It has been quoted that he also is one of the most intelligent intelectuals of our time. Making an enemy of someone so well established and influential as Manual can only do Juju and his kindergarten buddies a world of damage.

  • corrections - 2011-03-02 12:45

    Trevor Manuel is a propagandist and sympathetic to the right wing capitalist extremists , this tenure as the minister of finance has seen the business sector dominated by the right wing forces benefiting while the poor people remained poor, when Comrade Manyi seeks to implement rightfully policies like the BEE and AA he is the first to complain, we have noted that his planning department is nonexistent and this are just attempts to divert attention from his miserable performance in the presidency

      Tchaik - 2011-03-02 12:55

      I think your brain is even smaller than Shivambu's!

      hemant230778 - 2011-03-02 12:55

      And thanks to Minister Trevor Manuel, we were somewhat saved when the Global Economy collapsed, the Minister of Finance is there to ensure the financial stability of a country, not to dish out cash and bankrupt an economy. A bunch of kids trying to reprimand a man who stood shoulder to shoulder with Nelson Mandela and other greats, ridiculous.

      Victoria - 2011-03-02 13:02

      Are you really this thick or are you simply stirring???

      Shadoz - 2011-03-02 13:05

      propaganda wow thats a big word for a small child hey ...

      1stcase - 2011-03-02 13:06

      You sound like a Gadafi loyalist, comrade chief, open your eyes the poor are still poor and its not improving either.the only people thats getting rich is the very same comrades you admire, yes the left hot wing capitalist extremists.

      colin - 2011-03-02 13:21

      this attempt at intelligence really doesn't work. Go back to being stupid, stupid.

      closedeye - 2011-03-02 13:42

      Nice to see you can write, but try reading as well, because what you are saying is completely inaccurate.

      thinker - 2011-03-02 13:56

      Hmmmmm...miserable performance in the presidency...what an admission...is this why Marthunis is so quite when the ancyl attack whites???? scared of being called extreem-right wing

      The Patriot - 2011-03-02 13:59

      Corrections, did you eat an extra bowl of stupid this morning?

      Gavin - 2011-03-02 14:25

      Under the ANC the pooer people will still stay poor, because the leaders of the ANC are not eductaed above standard 8, and if they actually do get the majority of the population educated so they can be a factor in the economics of South Africa, it will then expose the lack of education in the ANC and ANCYL, and Trevor knows this, as he is not one of the uneducated like Malema and his bunch of ankle biters.. And now that one foot has been exchanged by another foot, due to being foolish and uneducated, and Trevor actually standing up and stating the obvious (Stupidity being the obvious) The ANCYL and Minister of "Labour" realise they are being shown up as uneducated morons, and now they want to make Trevor look like the one at fault, trevor knows that the so called right wing capitalists are the ones, that have kept South Africa alive and economically sound for so long, else it would be in a mess like it's neighbours, but wait ANC and ANCYL carry on with your crap, and allot more people will suffer and not prosper as promised by the ANC and their Youjth league cronnies....

      Badnews - 2011-03-02 14:32

      Are you on earth????

      Mr. B - 2011-03-02 14:49

      Corrections - we can ALL thank Mr. Manuel for his insight and financial prowess being one of the few things that saved South Africa from total bankruptcy during the last recession. I think these ANCYL chaps need to learn a new skill, it's called RESPECT. For their elders, for their superiors (skills wise) and for their parent party. They are on a daily basis making their name (ANCYL) mud and further damning the legacy of a party, made by the men who saved all of us South Africans from a very messy situation in the early 90's (mr. mandela etc)

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-03-02 14:54

      Wanker

      truckho - 2011-03-02 15:19

      What is a rightfully policy? Should ask the BEE and AA

      Maddy-CT - 2011-03-02 15:31

      Economics 101 candidate, are you?

      astro4mare - 2011-03-02 17:03

      Ba-hahahahahahahahaha..... The "pot" is calling the "kettle" black..... ...and this (dear reader) is why I don't bother to watch tv anymore;- It more entertaining to read the comments related to the ANC mismanagement of this country.....

      Nathan - 2011-03-02 19:17

      hey corrections - a have a theory. Have you heard about Maslow? Probably not, but you do research yourself later on. According to Maslow's hierachy of needs, you cannot move up to the next level until the lower levels have been satisfied. The lowest levels are the basic needs (food and other essentials) and the need for safety and security. That's levels 1 and 2. Only higher up (levels 4 and 5) do people have the desire to do meaningful work, contribute to society, and VOICE AND HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION. I think you would agree that the majority of ANC supporters are at the lower levels. That means that they so concerned with what they going to eat, and where they're going to sleep, that they dont care about political opinions. All the top dogs in the ANC have to do is promise housing and social grants and the populace is happy to keep quiet and tow the line. If you're hungry, who gives a sh$#% who's in power? All i care about is my stomach. So....who benefits more from an ignorant, hungry populace? The right-wing capitalists, or the top dogs on the gravy train who want everything to themselves?

      Frox - 2011-03-03 08:59

      BS

      nobodyneedstoknowme - 2011-03-03 10:56

      The poor people remained poor because of massive corruption within the ANC. Do you not read the news????? Have you not seen the massive waste of money by elected politicians? Do you not see the cars, the houses, the business interests that these politicians have? Are you so brainwashed that you have given up searching for truth? Or are you just so afraid to admit that you may be supporting the perpertrator of the problems this country faces? By the way, there is nothing equitable about BEE. Equality comes from giving no preference to any group or individual. Non racism comes from policies which do not give special benefits to people of a certain race. All the ANC are doing is creating a new generation of racists because thats all they are good at.

      K_za - 2011-03-03 12:50

      The poor remain poor because they have too many babies that cannot be lifted to a higher status in life. The parents either die from aids or the men leave their woman for other woman causing the whole family structure to disintegrate. Broken family structures = broken lives = poverty and self destruction.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 13:44

      @corrections - Oops, just have a brain fart? You are as dumb as your name, everyone has to make corrections for you. Trevor Manuel was the only man in government that was worth his weight in salt. The rest of them were very hard at work, very hard at work enriching themselves while the poor people you mention were getting poorer because of it. Go back to bed, you moron communist!

  • Cameron - 2011-03-02 12:45

    Because someone "Manuel" airs his dissapointment about a racist comment made by Manyi, he is now considered to be "working with and protecting the interests of "white monopoly capitalists". Seriously, the ANCYL is a joke!

      Thembisile - 2011-03-02 13:18

      They are a joke indeed. I wish Trevor would leave this bunch of fools.

      Sickly - 2011-03-02 13:18

      If Manuel is driven by the ""white monopoly capitalists"" why would the "white monopoly capitalists" care about the coloureds. I makes absolutely no sense but that applies to everything they say. They even brand ANC members and ministers racists and right wingers if they go against them. Terrible bunch that will bring destruction and devastation to this country.

      Law Abiding - 2011-03-02 13:24

      Well said Cameron. The first politician to show a bit of light in a dark tunnel and the RACIST EXTREMISTS are shouting him down. Trevor Manuel, I may not like you, but I respect and salute you.

      Baas-Julius - 2011-03-02 14:04

      Can you imagine being intelligent and having to have to work with these fools everyday, now that deserves a reward on it’s own. No matter how much they pay me I will not accept that offer.

  • colin langley - 2011-03-02 12:46

    Ahh...i was wondering when they would respond...the truth is biting hard on these chomps...LOL...so in the end they agree with dear old Jimmy the racist...and then they contradict themselves...how refreshing

  • Barry - 2011-03-02 12:47

    Do these to clowns know what sarcasm is.They definatley both fell on their heads when their mothers pushed them out

      Pulverturm - 2011-03-02 13:40

      Their mothers farted them out more like it!

      ZACKIE - 2011-03-02 16:37

      juluis and floyd were stillborn but survived the lack of oxygen meant there brains were vrot from day 1

  • henkvantonder777 - 2011-03-02 12:48

    Can't we just have a full scale war and sort this all out once and for all? "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson.

      unconformity - 2011-03-02 13:39

      Ag nee henk van tonder - nou praat jy nog meer stront as floyd. Was jy ooit opgeroep?

  • MrBig - 2011-03-02 12:48

    Better than Days Of Our Lives Where's my popcorn?

  • Colin - 2011-03-02 12:48

    ROFL LOL Oh Floyd Floyd... Life would be so dull and uninteresting without people like you. Every village should have one....

      Tchaik - 2011-03-02 12:56

      Some villages have more than one!

      Shadoz - 2011-03-02 13:18

      these people make the village idiots look like einstein.

      jouplesier - 2011-03-02 14:02

      this country is run by one!

  • Gorilla - 2011-03-02 12:49

    I sai to myself this morning on my way to the office, it's been at least a week since the ANCYL said anthing stupid. Did I jinx them? More points for Malenema with the masses for his punt on the presidency. He doesn't miss a trick hey.

  • jmleroux4me - 2011-03-02 12:50

    F#@$#@ing jokers !! African Natioal Circus Youth

  • SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-02 12:50

    5-4-3-2-1 - KABOOOOOOOOOM - ANC implosion imminent. Bring out the bubbly...

      Alwyn - 2011-03-02 12:57

      Wow at last something we can agree upon

      SAFFA-CAT - 2011-03-02 13:10

      Indeed Alwyn - there is always common ground somewhere :) Just not in rugby....

      Picasso - 2011-03-03 08:10

      Of course there is common grounds in Rugby, as long as it is Loftus!

  • Lou_is - 2011-03-02 12:51

    Well thank you ANCYL you have just validate Manuel's response and give it so much more credibility.

      Wonderboy - 2011-03-02 13:47

      That is exactly what the ANC want. To give credibility to this fake letter so that they can get more votes in the W Cape.

      Lou_is - 2011-03-02 13:52

      Wonderboy I wish you a speedy recovery from your brain injury. I can see you are special and probably went to a special school as well. Just by slamming the letter does not make you someone with debating skills. It just shows your ignorance and lack of education. Oh I forget that is the level of debate in the ANCYL. Name calling and kissing games.

  • JohannV - 2011-03-02 12:51

    Confusion reigns in the ruling party. I just LOVE infighting - would love to see another split in the ANC and all those "coloureds" throwing their vote behind the DA.

      blondetopaz - 2011-03-02 15:04

      i have coloured friend in CT and wow!!!!!!! they dont want the ANC to even breathe in CT. Now, if that energy can be harnessed and others can draw from it, there is a bright future for all South Africans - not just CT but the whole of SA. I post all the ANC's rants and raves; idiot future purchases of 7 cars for 7 wives on my FB status. I want the world to know what is happening here, esp with the farm murders. That is my contribution to hopefully, a truely democratic SA

      nobodyneedstoknowme - 2011-03-03 11:04

      @blondetopaz - you are 100% correct, most of my friends are coloured and they dispise the ANC, they can see through the bull that ANC comes up with and the WC will never belong to the ANC. ID + DA have a proven track record of making things work. All the time, every time. Every coloured person I know has said outright that they will not vote for the ANC because of their stupidity and racism. I see no more than 30% of the votes going to the ANC this time round. Freedom will prevail.

  • CubanGorilla - 2011-03-02 12:51

    "For the record, the ANC Youth League will never agree with any piece of legislation that excludes or discriminates against the historically disadvantaged individuals, and this includes coloureds, Indians and Africans". SO THE ANCYL IS SAYING DISCRIMINATION AGAINST WHITES IS FINE AND IS A POLICY THAT THEY DON'T MIND ENFORCING - TIME TO BURN THE COUNTRY DOWN?

      jouplesier - 2011-03-02 14:03

      need a match?

      emile.marais - 2011-03-02 14:12

      Couldn't help but notice that little comment too...

      Badnews - 2011-03-02 14:39

      Check the TV advert about getting the pensioner engineers and journeymen back to sort out this shit, they want the brainpower back in Public Works so that the country can start working again. How many engineers have been pensioned from public works that are not rom the currently disadvantaged? Pay me what the others get and I'm back tomorrow. Eskom tried the same stunt and it was a non=starter.

      Grant - 2011-03-02 16:09

      Exactly well said. They have always been openly derogatory to whites and this quote highlights the fact! Rather leave and let them burn it down themselves thats what I am doing.

      nobodyneedstoknowme - 2011-03-03 11:06

      Thats because the ANC IS a racist party.

  • kolobe - 2011-03-02 12:53

    but coloureds are concentrated in western cape,what is the furore about?

      Soapbox - 2011-03-02 13:14

      Kolobe, the labour dept. wants to ....... ag I give up, you wont understand anyway.

      Vesto - 2011-03-02 13:15

      @ Kolobe Guess what there is quiet a few coloureds in every province in SA. WOW you learnt something new today.

      Licikityspit - 2011-03-02 13:28

      Its called Demographics look it up

      kolobe - 2011-03-02 13:31

      Soapbox coloureds do not have to move anywhere,nothing of that sort is being implemented

      AZB - 2011-03-02 13:32

      And your point is? The Zulus are concentrated in KZN, the Xhosa'a in Eastern Cape, etc. The REAL reason is that the WC is the only province where the ANC Blacks are not the outright majority despite the busloads being taken there over the past 10 years; and that burns the ANC and their totalitarian plans

      fullmoon - 2011-03-02 13:41

      like you shivambu did not understand Manuels letter, so he simply called it racist, you simply don't get it...somethings will never change.

      Soapbox - 2011-03-02 13:45

      Kolobe http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Coloured-workers-face-the-axe-report-20110220 I noticed you did not comment on the above page. As I said, I give up, die kokkorot het van die kurkprop afgeval.

      kolobe - 2011-03-02 14:02

      soapbox the amendments have no been passed.it would be extremely stupid to use national demographics. ANC mentioned it doesnt support the idea hence jimmy apologised.

      The Patriot - 2011-03-02 14:13

      Kolobe, dont believe everything you think.

      Frox - 2011-03-02 14:57

      Can't help you Kolobe...all these people think your'e an idiot. But you are an idiot, so what is the furore about?

      camelthief - 2011-03-02 15:14

      Kolobe: -no he did not apologise. He thought so little of the matter he got someone else to apologise -he implied by his words that people should not have been offended. That is not an apology -the statement that the ANC wont do this is not the point. He was implying that coloured people should move (or be moved)away from their homes and live in another province, regardless of their choice or their rights. -he is a disgrace to the BMF and an embarassment to this country

      Maddy-CT - 2011-03-02 15:39

      Blackman Ngoro, media spokesman to Nomaindia Mfeketo, who was ANC mayor of Cape Town at the time (2005): "Africans are culturally superior to coloureds...coloureds are really just a bunch of drunks". Join the dots.

      SaintBruce - 2011-03-02 16:28

      @ Kolobe - just go and read the Employment Equity Act Amendments bill - first - then , if you can, start to understand the problem and the trigger to all these comments. The ANC Government wants to enforce a National Demographic basis for employment practices in every province! So I employ 80 Zulus and Xhosas here in Gauteng but only 1 Coloured worker. Therfore I have to get rid of ( How?) a bunch of guys who have lived here for ages and try to recruit a bunch of coloured guys (if I can find suitably qualified ones in the first place) to even out the demographic imbalance in my business - under force of law! Now my Cape Town branch ........ Go read the laws and see whether this proposed amendment makes any rational sense then comment from a base of knowledge.....if you can. Good Luck.

      Maddy-CT - 2011-03-02 16:44

      @ Camelthief. Manyi is a disgrace to the BMF? The Black Management Forum has said that despite Manyi's 'apology', and 'condemnation' by the ANC, they stand by his remarks on an oversupply of coloureds in the Western Cape.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 14:38

      Yay! kolobe has come out to play! Did you ask your god Juliaaas if you could post here, are you sure you have his mighty f@#$k nuts permission? dumb @ss.

  • jhetem - 2011-03-02 12:54

    Typical of the ancyl to come out with this statement! Baybies dont' cry now...bunch of moronies! Makes one to puke!!!

  • loodpunt - 2011-03-02 12:54

    i can't believe the anc is still holding on to these clowns. but i'm not complaining, they're actually doing us a favour by being totally and completely irellevant. they're only quickening the anc's fall.

      DakaloM - 2011-03-02 13:07

      We will never fall... We are not a mickey mouse party like the DA and the likes. We will rule this country until Jesus comes back.

      Dave - 2011-03-02 13:24

      I think I hear a knock on the door.........

      50something - 2011-03-02 13:32

      DakolaM - Even the Roman empire fell bra ... Your time will come

      arthsterorama - 2011-03-02 13:57

      DakaloM. Go look what happened to people that used that statement. i think you will remember this one. "Not even God can sink this ship (Titanic)"... Glug glug glug and down the plughole. Still don't know what I am talking about hey? Its fine you will soon.

      Michael - 2011-03-02 15:07

      @dakoloM, arent some folks proclaiming that the Zombie jew will return next year? in that case you have one year left to loot and pillage. "take a longbow and 50 of your finest men and head towards where the sun sets. there you will find a village....PILLAGE!!!!!"

      blondetopaz - 2011-03-02 15:10

      @dakaloM. be careful what you wish for...... Jesus might be coming down on the clouds of glory on election day.......... :)wont that be a biatch for you. just to spoil your gravy train day. i am already RFLMAO. Take care and have a lovely afternoon.

      Speedy.zn - 2011-03-02 16:10

      @DakaloM Why would Jesus want to come here?

  • smscott4 - 2011-03-02 12:54

    You want to end racism? Step No1. refuse to identify yourself racially. Fact No1. We are all talking apes from an area of earth which is now called Kenya

      Princess - 2011-03-02 13:17

      We are what we are and can't be something else. We are all human beings and should just be treated as such. Unfortunately people will always see one another as black, white, coloured. We should however not discriminate against each other

      misterjakes - 2011-03-02 15:16

      Very few human beings actually have the opinions that we should be listening to. The biggest trouble with democracy? Just speak to the average voter on the street and you'll find that 99% are idiots. Stop being people-pleasers.

  • Mathaithai - 2011-03-02 12:55

    Manual is out of order. He appears to be angry! There is no need for him to write such a letter and instead if he felt so diaappointed with Manyi, he supposed to have contacted him personally. Of cause, it is true that there is an oversupply of Coloureds in the Western Cape, they are amounting to almost 57%. Is there anything wrong with that statement. Trevor only wants to heard as he does no longer have a platform to be seen as in the past when he was finance minister. Power corrupts!!!!!!

      Victoria - 2011-03-02 13:04

      You are QUITE correct - power DOES corrupt!!!! And when we complain about it, we're accused of being racist. The rest of your posting is drivel.

      Rincewind - 2011-03-02 13:10

      WTF are "coloureds" some sort of commodity that you need to spread around evenly? - like group areas? You are as bad as Verwoerd!

      Chezzius - 2011-03-02 13:12

      Idiot! Have a look at South African History and you'll understand why there are so many Coloured people in the Cape - and it has nothing to do with Apartheid! To help you out Black people crossed the Limpopo at the same time that Whites arrived in the Cape. The Capetonians didn't really use Blacks as slaves they used the local San people and imported Malay people to be slaves. Get an education before you accuse others of being corrupt. Get an education before you support some stupid idea that will amount to forcing Coloured people to leave the Cape so that they can provide for their families. Get an education before you support idiots that whose BEE policies will bankrupt industry in the Western Cape, which will not only amount to unemployment for White and Coloured people but also for the hundreds and thousands of Black people that have come to Cape Town from the Eastern Cape. My views here may seem right wing but Trevor Manual is simply defending our constitution - protecting Coloured people and allowing them the right to choose to live in the places that their families have lived for generations.

      sopnat8 - 2011-03-02 13:15

      Mathaithai you are just as foolish as Jimmy Manyi and the ANCYL together. You should not be part of society in S.A. We have enough stupid people we do not need more please.

      BlackSwan - 2011-03-02 13:16

      maybe it is because we have an over-supply of idiots in the country

      Smaal - 2011-03-02 13:17

      MMmm let’s think about it. Who is the ANC to decide where people should and should not live? There is about 60% colourds in the Western Cape but your ANC says.. NO! Wait.. they can’t have 60% of the jobs! 80% of the jobs must go to Blacks! If they want jobs they should move to other provinces (or rather where the ANC wants them to move)! Sound familiar? Sounds like forced removal to me! What is wrong with that statement? Ok.. so what are we going to do about the oversupply of blacks in the rest of the provinces? Except for a positive population growth, what other positives does the black man bring to the table? Tell me Mathaithai do you think the black man came into power because he knows how to govern, knows how to be fair, knows right from wrong or maybe just maybe the black man came into bower by corrupting this European thing called democracy? Where I sit even the young blacks are beginning to hate blacks and I don’t blame them. So now you tell me what is wrong with my statements!

      CC - 2011-03-02 13:21

      Manyi was out of order - that is why he had to appologise for his stupid statement. Manual is not out of order and never will appologise for his statement.

      Princess - 2011-03-02 13:21

      Oh no, I don't believe what I read here. why should he contact Manyi personally? Manyi made his statements publically, also that bitch called Kuli Roberts so why should Manuel's statements to Manyi be said behind closed doors? Trevor will always be the best minister the ANC ever had! Was it not for him, the country's economy would have been down the gutters. Just think what will happen if the economy of the country land in the hands of Julius Malema and his likes? Disaster, disaster, disaster.

      Badger - 2011-03-02 13:24

      Happy birthday to you too!!!

      Vesto - 2011-03-02 13:25

      If there is an oversupply of coloureds in the Western Cape why don't you & your friend MANYI terminate them b'cos they are the poison that cost the ANC the WC.I remember a country up North that also felt there was an oversupply of a particular group of people & guess what 800 000.00 people were terminated.

      Totman - 2011-03-02 13:29

      O. Goodness. Did you mend what you wrote. Manyi should have not said anything if he does not want to be corrected in public. Manual do not have support anymore? Why? Because ANC goes black and not live up to their own Freedom Charter and what the old/original leaders and reason was stand for. Can't you see the change? You, the young, should stand up and take leadership over and reform the country like it now happens in the north. You do not have to do it with violence, but neither can you allowed ANCYL to do it for you. Are you proud on these fools to be our next leaders? Come on!!! Where are our intelligent youth? The "coloured" people are from Western Cape that is why they are concentrate in that area. Hello!!! Black people are from Africa. That is where you will find the majority. It is time that black people start talking of "we all" and not refer to colour or us and we. Seeing that the majority are black in this country it is always the best way to start to refrain from specific groups and your smaller groups automatically follows. Why can I do it and move one, but others can't? Please see that I didn't say "but my brothers can't"!!! All are my fellow beloved citizens not my "brothers" I am go forward with you or without you. YOUR CHOICE!!!!

      kotzeae - 2011-03-02 13:34

      A more legitimate question would be why there are so many black people in the Western Cape. A couple of decades ago there were just about none but the ANC "imported" black people into the Western Cape in order to become competitive in elections.

      Gentleman - 2011-03-02 13:34

      Manyi can say what he wants to and get away with it but if it had to be a "coloured" saying that there is an oversupply of blacks in Soweto well all hell would break loose if you ask me.

      Shekinah1 - 2011-03-02 13:39

      Mathaithai...are you oblivious to what is happening in the ANCYL and to what they are clearly having you swallow or are you just stupid? I'm glad Manual has written an open letter, because nothing ever happens when these things are addressed internally...people such as Manual are only silenced. And by the way I'm glad that he is angry, cause hell I'm livid! You don't hear others stating publicly that there is a bloody oversupply of "Blacks" in Gauteng...why not get that % and then we talk again. The fact that Manuel is not making this response from a "platform" as you put it makes him a man of the masses and not an idiot with a stick high up his you know what! All the ANC has done with this is exclude future coloured votes, and with our oversupply in the Western Cape I hope we keep the DA in power in our own little peace of Non-ANC HEAVEN!!!

      jef lebowski - 2011-03-02 13:40

      i'm glad Manual addressed Manyi in an open letter. If he contacted him personally it would have been swept under the rug like all the other fraud, corruption, racist on-goings

      closedeye - 2011-03-02 13:48

      It is really sad when you stupid and cannot understand and comprehend facts. Dude are you okay, they now manufacture pills for people as stupid as you.

      Wonderboy - 2011-03-02 13:51

      @Rincewind You are Wrong. Verwoerd wanted the opposite. He was happy with the coloureds in the Cape.

      ratex - 2011-03-02 13:56

      So what the hell does that have to do with anything? There is an oversupply of blacks in JHB. I know lets ship all the zulus back to natal and all the xhosas back to the transkei. You can have that piece of land. We can leave the highveld and other areas to the Vendas and local tribes to run. I am sure that will make you happy. You are living proof that propogation of the species does not apply to everyone, so do us all a favour and remove yourself from the gene pool, there is enough stupidity in there already.

      WillF - 2011-03-02 14:05

      So you will agree there is an oversupply of Blacks in Gauteng? I won't go through al the other regions...

      The Patriot - 2011-03-02 14:24

      We have an oversupply of Zimbabweans, Mozambicans, Nigerians, Ugandans,Ghanaians and every other immigrant that is here because his country sucks under poor dictatorial leadership. Leave the Coloureds out of ANC politics. They deserve better then the ANC trying to screw them as well.

      summersgilllayla - 2011-03-02 14:34

      @Mathaithai OMG!!I don’t know why I’m surprised at all. Seriously maybe I’m wrong about loyalty maybe it is stupidity that makes you vote the way you do(making the assumption that you vote anc based on your comment but I could be wrong)Though how else can your comment be explained. No race is oversupplied anywhere. People are free to live and procreate wherever they please as long as whoever is doing he procreating has the necessary funds to maintain and support the life they have created and not expect free hand-outs from strained tax payers who are in the minority compared to the population count. South Africa does not belong to the ANC its is only wrongly ruled by them.

      kotzeae - 2011-03-02 14:41

      I think we must voice our opinions here about where we would like which group to go to. We can use all the provinces, Robben island, Madagaskar, Mauritius, the Big Hole in Kimberley etc. I will start by suggesting we move the ANCYL to the Big Hole.

      Thas-Man - 2011-03-02 14:48

      @Chezzius, have you smoked something? When the white people (Thieves who were kicked out of Holland) arrived in coastal arreas, they raped African women and that's how coloureds came into existance. What history is this that you are talking about, black people crossing Limpopo the same time as white people arrived in South Africa? You arethe one who needs education on history.

      Thas-Man - 2011-03-02 14:52

      @Smaal, Jimmy Manyi is an individual and not the ANC. Your obsession with the ANC will give you a heart attack. When did the ANC say that?

      Chezzius - 2011-03-02 16:02

      @Thas-man... I am sure that your ignorance is not your own fault so I will help you out a little... the only indigenous people in the Cape are the San... it is they that were raped and used as slaves. However, have you ever noticed that the Coloured people in the Cape have a very unique way of speaking Afrikaans? It is from them speaking Malay all those generations ago. Ever heard of Cape Malay Curry? Have you noticed that some of the Coloured people in the Cape have blue eyes? This is not common among other areas where Black and White have given birth to Coloured children. The Black gene's are dominant and as such the brown eyes tend to carry through. Yes, there were Black slaves but not many... most of the slaves were Malay and San people. I am more than willing to assist you in understanding the History of our country in more depth if you are willing to understand that there is more to it than 'Apartheid happened, Whites were racist'.

      Chezzius - 2011-03-02 16:29

      @Thas-Man. I don't want to harp on and on but I am curious about your version of South African History - What happened to all those Black people that were raped? Why are they not accounted for in the local population? Or did they leave the Cape? When they left was it before or after or during the Great Trek? Just for clarity the Dutch came to the Cape to set up a station that would provide fresh food to passing ships so that fewer people would die from scurvy. The English sent theives to Australia - perhaps you're on the wrong continent?

      nobodyneedstoknowme - 2011-03-03 11:13

      @Mathaithai - Sjoe, you are the perfect example of what racist ANC comments do to the mind.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 14:48

      HAHAHAHAHA - and the hits keep on coming.......You insult the coloured people of this country you racist piece of rubbish. Go to hell with the rest of the African National Clowns!

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 14:58

      @Thas-man. Shame man. Please, take a pill and dissolve, you are obviously an ANC-PF supporter. Please comment elsewhere, we don't want racists commenting on this forum, why don't you, Mathaithai and Juliaaas go play in the traffic. Let me know when, I make sure I am driving a 20 ton truck that day. id10t.

      Peter Mac - 2011-03-03 18:15

      @Mathaithai - "Over supply"!!! Absolutely disgraceful. These are the people of our country you are talking about, not a commodity. Apart from anything else Manyi said, a simple statement like "over supply" when talking about people speaks a thousand words. Insensitive, ignorant and utterly disrespectful. Shame on you and shame on Manyi.

  • brokennews - 2011-03-02 12:55

    Yes and I care what the youth wing of a political party says.

  • Charl - 2011-03-02 12:56

    Dear Floyd I accept your comment that the ANC will not accept the bill ...... but my question is who then presented this bill to parliament? My understanding is that the ANC dominated Labour committee in parliament proposed this bill. Why propose it if you dont have any intention to accept it? I am confused Floyd.

      Fred - 2011-03-02 15:28

      Didn't Manual approve the bill?

  • bar-one - 2011-03-02 12:57

    The cracks she is getting bigger and bigger ,and soon the whole world she will be able to fit in them

      The Patriot - 2011-03-02 14:26

      Blessed are the cracked, for it is they that let the light in.

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-03-02 15:23

      Amen.

  • Faahim - 2011-03-02 12:57

    Its beyond me how the ANCYL exist, they are a bunch of unappreciative young ignorant political dodgers, most of these punks dont even understand the history of south africa. Manuel, Mbeki and even Helen Zille played a massive for this well deserved democracy. Im proud of Manuels reaction, especially the part when he mentioned that Madiba was fighting both white and black racist's, Something these idiots didn't quite get. How about the ANCYL stop eating my tax and get of your asses to earn it yourselves.

      KyleAssassin - 2011-03-02 13:17

      Agreed.

      Kaapie - 2011-03-02 14:55

      Faheem ... they dont even KNOW the history os SA. period. Julius couldnt even pass matric.

  • Jack - 2011-03-02 12:57

    this one says this that one says that. I cant wait to see what sharp remarks Julius Malema make.

  • Thandi - 2011-03-02 12:58

    Take the ANCYL comments from where they come, because I have never heard anything but garbage being uttered by Mal-Emmer or Shit-a-bull. Wankers!

  • Trevor Obery - 2011-03-02 12:58

    Mr Shivambu To reiterate the statement of Mr Manuel. Manyi is a racist. Unfortunately your organisation, the ANCYL, would not know racism if it hit you in the face. You and the ANCYL has displayed an ignorance, of biblical proportions, with regard to racism in South Africa. You and your organisation are blinded by you own greed, and the selfish perpetuation of the wealth of the country. We are a country at war Mr Shivambu, a war that has it's atrocities fermented in the utterances of members of your organisation, as well as those of Khuli and Manyi. It is a feeble attempt of the ANC and the ANCYL to turn the attention of the world away from the atrocities committed by the government and your organisation against the legitimate inhabitants of this country. So let me ask you..fashioned in the sentiment of Mr Manuel..Mr Shivambu, what have YOU done to stop this war.

      kotzeae - 2011-03-02 13:30

      Check.

      arthsterorama - 2011-03-02 15:38

      Thank you and 10 point now if we could only get an answer from Shivambu

  • Ant The Knee - 2011-03-02 12:58

    "For the record, the ANC Youth League will never agree with any piece of legislation that excludes or discriminates against the historically disadvantaged individuals, and this includes coloureds, Indians and Africans. What about CURRENTLY DISADVANTAGED??? Useless bunch of know-it-nothings.

      nobodyneedstoknowme - 2011-03-03 11:20

      Its called the cycle of abuse. This time blacks are alienating whites and coloureds. The new generation of youth sees how they don't have the same rights, options and benefits as another and they start getting agitated, therby perpetuating the cycle.

  • SamuelMabena - 2011-03-02 12:59

    Please join in the growing chorus with me everyone? 'SHUT DOWN THE ANCYL' This should be the echo, our standard response to all ANCYL utterances and 'news'.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-03 15:04

      Here, here!

  • rethan - 2011-03-02 12:59

    Yo ANCL, please do me a favour and STFU! kthnxbye

  • smscott4 - 2011-03-02 12:59

    Is that a racist comment, by Manyi, or just an honest observation? if people are stupid enough to identify them selves racially, then dont be offended, when racial statistic start being expressed.

      Princess - 2011-03-02 13:34

      Listen here smscott4, don't know where you got your info from, this debate is not about using the world "coloured" but becasue Manyi wants us to go to other places in the country so that the blacks can take over the western cape. We belong here and will not be moved. coloured people are the original habitants of this province.

  • Faahim - 2011-03-02 13:01

    Its beyond me how the ANCYL exist, they are a bunch of unappreciative young ignorant political dodgers, most of these punks dont even understand the history of south africa. Manuel, Mbeki and even Helen Zille played a massive for this well deserved democracy. Im proud of Manuels reaction, especially the part when he mentioned that Madiba was fighting both white and black racist's, Something these idiots didn't quite get. How about the ANCYL stop eating my tax and get of your asses to earn it yourselves.

  • Charl - 2011-03-02 13:01

    Dear Floyd I accept your comment that the ANC will not accept the bill ...... but my question is who then presented this bill to parliament? My understanding is that the ANC dominated Labour committee in parliament proposed this bill. Why propose it if you dont have any intention to accept it? I am confused Floyd.

      SamuelMabena - 2011-03-02 13:08

      You are confused? Don't worry, so is F..khead Floyd.

      Dave - 2011-03-02 13:50

      Charl, think of it this way, if you are not confused by what they say.....man you would be in beeeeeeeeeg trouble

  • Brandon96end - 2011-03-02 13:01

    HAHAHAHAHAHHA.... Yes, Manual is a card-carrying member of the AWB for sure. WHAT A BUNCH OF ****WITS.

  • zulufox - 2011-03-02 13:04

    ANCYL... Lost sheep!

  • Willem G - 2011-03-02 13:04

    The worrisome thing about all this is that people like Floyd and Julius with their warped ideology are going to be ruling this country one day...

  • GD - 2011-03-02 13:04

    Dear Mr Manuel, should you wish to move to a political party that actually thinks like you do - phone Mrs Zille - she is looking for someone just like you!

  • DakaloM - 2011-03-02 13:04

    Manuel is a Tiger wearing a Goat skinnnn.. we dont need poeple like you in the ANC. Well Said Floyd...Manyi is being quoted out of context. Here in the ANC we embrace everyone, Black, coloureds, afrikaaners, whites, green, Alliens.... We do not distriminate. Mr Manuel, you are welcome to leave the ANC if do not undersatnd what we stand for. Bloody Agenttttttt!

      rethan - 2011-03-02 13:13

      You are a total idiot DakaloM

      Michelle - 2011-03-02 13:14

      But mostly they embrace da money, da bling, da cars...

      duanedrop - 2011-03-02 13:20

      your all being fooled, Trevor Manuel and Manyi both worked in the same office for over 6 months after these comments were made. So why write the letter now. when he did the interview there was a bit about it, he apologizes and it was no big deal accroding to the ANC (at the time). This is just smokescreen political positioning, trying to win Colored votes in the cape. It is orchestrated politics meant to elicit these sorts of reactions, open your eyes cause the wool is being pulled over them. It's all about timing, local elections, say something to appease the colored's, hope to win back the cape from the DA.

      BakkieB - 2011-03-02 13:20

      lol

      jonfat - 2011-03-02 13:29

      yes, aliens like those in the youth league...They're definitely from another planet.

      Kyle - 2011-03-02 13:52

      ANC and there youth league have cost tax payers billions, with there lack of knowledge of governing a country, just look at our water and electricty now, and there throwing of there bullsh*# youth parties for what?? The only thing the youth league has for them is the fact that tata madiba wont let it disband or collapse...ancyl just milks the system - get bent

      closedeye - 2011-03-02 13:55

      DakaloM, you maybe the alien, because you make the most idiotic remarks.

      Charles - 2011-03-02 14:08

      why is EVERYTHING quoted out of context ? WHy not just put everything in context before blabbering garbage out of your mouths

      Charles - 2011-03-02 14:18

      @DAKALO ---it is not about a BLACK man governing as you put it , but about it being governed by a party with integrity and understanding of how to govern effectively . If you have not noticed , MANY people on this site have applauded Trevor and would embrace having somebody of intelligence and calibre running as president even within the ANC .

      Kaapie - 2011-03-02 14:58

      Yeah and you dakolo is an idiot wearing a blanket with nothing between/from ear to ear

      Richie - 2011-03-02 15:15

      Ha-ha-ha... no wait..Wha-ha-ha! You are so funny, as always you miss the point!

      Clarence - 2011-03-02 16:05

      Once a "dakskroef" always a "dakskroef". DakaloM you seriously have to learn how to spell before you comment. This is a respected forum not mxit. It's typical that you would call Trevor a Goat Skin, 'cause you are one yourself, only on the inside. You want to have a white girlfriend and drive fancy cars yet you can't even spell. Bloody "DAKSKROEF"

  • Gavin - 2011-03-02 13:08

    The ANCYL has got double standards, as they say "For the record, the ANC Youth League will never agree with any piece of legislation that excludes or discriminates against the historically disadvantaged individuals, and this includes coloureds, Indians and Africans" Are white people who are born in, grow up in South Africa, not Africans in the true sense, or is this also an attempt to segregate certain people from calling themselves South African's and Africans, as a person who is a South African, be that black white, coloured or Indian who has South African nationality is by rights an African too, so i ask where is my equal opportunity in the South African society, I don't have one as I am a white minority, that is classed as an outsider in my own country, I had to leave my birth country, to a cold wet unknown country, so I could and my children could be treated as equals, so PLEASE ANCYL Don't try pull the wool over our eyes, you don't stand for equality or fairness, you only stand for making yourselves richer, You don't care for any race in South Africa, and Malema stop talking about the Struggle, you were a snotkop pikkinine when the struggle was over. So you had nothing to do with the "Struggle"