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Manuel seeks re-think on land reform

2012-02-20 12:10

Stellenbosch - Government has "thrown too much money down the chute" on land reform, Minister in the Presidency Trevor Manuel said on Monday.

Opening AgriSA's annual conference in Stellenbosch, he noted the price of agricultural land was very high and often lay fallow - with no investment made in it - before a sale went through.

"The price is very high, and the land lies fallow for a decade, and by the time there is an actual payment, there is no correspondence with the price of the land," Manuel said.

"And so we've actually thrown too much money down the chute. We need to look at this issue very differently."

'Sensitive'


In his State of the Nation address earlier this month President Jacob Zuma alluded to his government's plan to review the willing-buyer-willing-seller principle that had been underpinning land reform since 1994.

Manuel told the conference the issue of land reform was "sensitive".

He did not elaborate, saying only that land reform was necessary and a "constitutional imperative".

Responding to comments from delegates that there was a "blockage" when it came to communicating with government officials at a regional level, he vowed to raise this with Zuma.

Among politicians present at the two day conference, which ends on Tuesday, was Deputy Agriculture Minister Pieter Mulder, who last week controversially raised the historical basis for land reform in the National Assembly.

Manuel, who chairs the National Planning Commission, said South Africa's population was currently around 50 million and was set to rise to 58.5 million by 2030.

This meant that farmers would have to increase agricultural output by twenty percent to meet a growing demand for food.

Comments
  • Kobus - 2012-02-20 12:19

    Well lets us begin with an independant enquiry to see exactly whom owns what so that Zuma does not in future shoots his mouth off stating that most land is still in the hands of whites. We want PROOF!

      Cracker - 2012-02-20 12:38

      We urgently need a proper audit or land ownership/occupations but an audit that will include also the commercial/agricultural activities and production taking place on the land. Outdated and perhaps plain dishonest number playing will not serve anyone's interest.

      Marcell - 2012-02-20 12:49

      Trevor is just worried about the money. Whiteys is not suppose to steal from government. That is the exclusive right of the ancESTORS.

      Willie - 2012-02-20 13:17

      This is a sensetive issue who ever things that we should leave land act of 1913 as it is,should think twice.But i have got no doubt in mind that as always South Africans we will find a solution around this matter.

      Adam - 2012-02-20 18:24

      This may be where the sensitivity comes into it, when you can see who (or whos friends) actually got some of the already bought farms. Remember we are not that different to Zim. This may just be the reason a professional accurate audit has not been done.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-21 09:01

      Oh god I really did not believe that people like you existed ...but apparently there are a lot of you!!!. You can go to any library to find an answer to your question. Or contact the land bank, or Ministry of agriculture and ministries of trade and industry. Is there a price for willful ignorance in this country?

  • Wikus - 2012-02-20 12:21

    The more land you reform the more you decrease agricultural output.

      Johan - 2012-02-20 12:28

      Agreed...unless the beneficiaries are well educated agriculturists we'll never be able to meet output demands for 2030!

      Michael - 2012-02-20 12:49

      @Wikus, your comment lacks backing with reality. Drive around much of so-called agricultural farms and note what percentage of that land is productively used for agricultural purpose. Around Gauteng alone go towards Cullinan, West Rand, South along N3 and R59, etc. Some activities in these farms are truck repairs, shooting ranges, brick manufacturing, etc.

      uwe.klopfer - 2012-02-20 13:33

      @Michael : And you call these small plots of land farms ? In a recent edition of Landbou Weekblad there is a stinking rich farmer, sheep if memory serves me right... He owen 7 (SEVEN) farms... he owns more than 20000 (yes twenty thousand) hectares. This is absurd. I propose that no single person, unless very well motivated and evaluated on a case by case basis should own more than 5000 hectares. No 1 person can successfully run and manage bigger without employing farmers to farm for him. Thus get those farmers to own the land themselves so they can have it for themselves. And with proper training and education the majority of those new farmers can be black.

      Ben - 2012-02-20 15:08

      UweK, the size of the farm will depend on what you farm with, how much water there is and what percentage is arable land, which depends on where in S.A. the farm is situated. If one knows nothing about farming you would not know this. A good farmer has no colour but what he should have is a degree in agriculture or, if not, plenty of experience. This experience differs from area to area. A sheep farmer in the Karoo might be no good at farming with vegetables in the Boland. The decision-makers do not know this and should rather stick to what they know.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-21 09:03

      Thank god for people like you Ben S. Rare logic!

      SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:29

      The CIA observations from space have also registered the fact that semi-arid South Africa’s crop production has dropped dramatically since 1994: by the end of 2008, SA ‘s total land surface comprised of 12.1% ‘arable’ farmable land’ — but only 0.79% of this land was under permanent crops : of which 14,980 sq km were irrigated in 2008.

      Zion - 2012-02-22 08:41

      Michael,Drive around the Free State then you will see that most of the land is used for agriculture and that standing fallow is a normal farming procedure or else all the land will eventually be infertile. This is done all over the world.

  • braamc - 2012-02-20 12:22

    Like everything else, nothing gets managed properly, prime agricultural land bought and given away with a handful success stories of food security that followed. Have themselves to blame for failures as always. Take take and see where the food to feed all these millions of beggars gonna come from. Bunch of useless thieves

  • Henri - 2012-02-20 12:22

    On the other hand, you have different fingers

  • Bennie - 2012-02-20 12:24

    cANCer is good for throwing money down the drain and pulling it throug their R-Souls.

  • Bennie - 2012-02-20 12:30

    Only 10% of empowerment farms are economically profitable and self sustaining , mostly in Northern Cape, Langkloof , WesternCape and mostly fruit or livestock farms run and managed by Coloured People . Some are actually doing well and expanding on their own income. But then again we look at Lisbon estates,Zebideila and go dum da dum da dum .

      Willie - 2012-02-20 13:20

      Actually i would suggest that the goverment should visit those farms and take drastic action,especially around Zebediela and KZN

  • Leon - 2012-02-20 12:33

    If they stop killing the farmers there might be just enough food for all.

      Leroy - 2012-02-20 13:47

      there are always hungry people as the population is always growing, killing is a different issue all together! Education walk hand in hand with this topic!

  • Frank - 2012-02-20 12:34

    What about the workers?

  • Nigel - 2012-02-20 12:39

    the ANC have wasted 17 years with a poorly executed land policy & why on earth does the land lay fallow for a decade???

      Marcell - 2012-02-20 12:55

      They expect the farmer to keep on maintaining the property while his cronies(read voters) help themselves. In the early 90's the Nats bought farms in our area and gave it to the Ndebele's. The first they plundered were the 100 year old Sandsteen plaas opstal. Roof, windows, yellowwood floorboards. Today, there are 1000's hectares that used to be prime agrucultural land laying fallow. It will take years to recover that land.

  • Trevor - 2012-02-20 12:47

    ANC wants a 20% increase by 2030...um...we'll have more than DOUBLE than that in current productive farming LOSES by 2030 the way our PRODUCTIVE farmers are being murdered, let alone those SKILLED PRODUCTIVE farmers leaving SA for Africa, bring on climate change with the current ANC policies, SA will be SOLELY reliant on China for it's food resources and that is a sure way of killing people!

  • eddiebant - 2012-02-20 12:52

    Leave the existing farms alone,they produce food for all the nation.Get hold of the land owned by the state and develop it according to your liking,finances,skill and willingness to work hard to make something out of it.

      Gerhard - 2012-02-20 13:16

      No, no, no, you don't understand, they want a farm in full production so that they can reap the current harvest and once they have figured out how to do that and the crops are all gone, they will sell off all the implements, then strip the house completely and sell off the window frames for scrap and sell off anything else they can make a buck out of. After that is all done, they will sell it back to the white farmers at a fraction of the original price.

      Nigel - 2012-02-20 13:55

      just look at what happened at Arora, same thing will happen to farms if the ANC continues to carry on with its failed policy. Its obvious land reform is necessary to obtain more integrated land ownership & although this will take time, the ANC have wasted 17 years & much money on a poor plan. In a country where the blacks are the majority, there should be more black farmers than there are white, but this will not happen in an orderly manner, whereby our food security is protected, if the government continues to cling to failed policies. We can blame apartheid all we want, but we must also reach a point when we say why is this problem still here, what is the ruling party not doing right...

  • Blignault - 2012-02-20 13:12

    Reform here, reform there, we need to have the handlers/managers of the coffers reformed.

  • reynard.j.debeer - 2012-02-20 13:20

    Vusi has the most common sense here on people commenting. Anyways its true, we have to feed the people so getting rid of our farmers who are doing a great job through land reform is not the right way! However educating a select amount of "to be farmers" and going for quality and not quantity is the way to go! I hate some of you haters on here, any well educated person can do anything... Don't act or say shiat like some poeple cant do the job based on their appearance! In fact if you still have a mentality like that then you should not call yourself a South-African #TruThBtOld

  • Mzwandile - 2012-02-20 13:22

    The land issue is a sensitive matter and we cannot afford to be irresponsible when we debate the it. Zimbabwe is were it is now because Mugabe was patient enough to promises that the land issue will be resolved through the Lancaster agreement. Ian Smit and his cronies (England) continued to renege on their agreement until Mugabe took the decision to grab their land by force without payment. We can't afford South Africa to go that route because the consequences are far bitter for everyone. The transfer of land to Blacks is a non negotiable issue, we need to reverse the consequences of the 1913 Land Act that desposed Black people of ownership of land. What is needed is an honest discussion of how the transfer process will take place because the willing buyer willing seller process has failed. Until that happened I can assure you that in 15 to 20 years to come Blacks will be forced to take the land in Zimbabwe style. Lets all be matured for the sake of the future of this country and its people.

      Simon - 2012-02-20 13:57

      Mzwandile - I find your logic interesting. On one hand you say "let's be mature about land reform. Towards the end of your comment you say "in 15 to 20 years to come Blacks will be forced to take the land in Zimbabwe style" If you think that this type of action - forcibly taking something that legally belongs to someone else is mature then - when you are hijacked one day (God willing it never happens) - that you look on the hijacker as being MATURE - and condone his actions, because he may not have a car of his own. In Zim, my first farm was taken for reform in 1998. I then leased a farm, it was taken in 2000.I moved to SA bought a small farm in KZN and now am fighting a land claim on that one. I have experience in this field. I have always worked with my employees, giving them housing, land to grow their own food, and providing schooling for their children. From your comment you have no idea what a rural life is or how a rural community works. All we want as agriculturalists - both Black and White is a fair deal. The Government has let us both down.

      Phumi - 2012-02-20 14:56

      Our generation has no apetite to wait any longer. The land must go back to the people like yesterday! If this means going the Zimbabwe route in order for us to achieve our Jerusalem then let it be! We are tired of threats and being blackmailed! We appeal to our leaders to adopt a radical policy shift not lead by neo-liberals like Trevor Manual but by those who are going to persue an African agenda without fear or favour!

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-20 15:01

      Simon please reread my comments. In no way I advocate for a forcebly removal for two reasons. Iknow how painfull is it to be forcebly removed from your property, my familty has a first hand experience of this, secondly such policies will only perpetuate the division and the plain to South African. What I am therefore saying and appealing to people is that we need to find solutions, let us be matured otherwise we will experience actions from victims that we won't be able to control.

      Theprodigy - 2012-02-20 15:30

      @Mzwandile, please talk to Phumi, he needs help

      Cracker - 2012-02-20 15:36

      @ Phumi] You are not and you do not represent the rest of the country. There will be no Jerusalem. South Africans will not commit economic suicide.

      Longile - 2012-02-20 15:46

      Which ever way you read your comment, you are threatening to steal people's property. For goodness sake if anybody of any colour wants to farm, they can go to land bank, get a loan and buy a farm. What is stopping them, and no it does not wash with me that someone else is entitled to take a farm after someone else has paid good money for it with hard earnt tax paying money. The government controls more than enough land for all those that want to farm to farm. Seems this is more about wanting to simply punish white people, rather than do anything constructive for the country

      Simon - 2012-02-20 18:18

      Mzwandile - I am sorry both our families share the pain of losing property in the manner we are refering to here - forcible removal. There are some valid points made by other contributors - the one I agree most with concerns economic suicide. What do most of us aspire to - A roof over our heads, a decent meal on the table in the evening, education for our children and some disposable income to go on leave once a year.( I provide that for the people in my employ and within my sphere of my influence.) Chuck me off the land and I will be able to make another plan. What happens to the people I used to employ? (A long discussion this one - sure they could farm - they certainly have the skill - but where would their inputs come from - Government ? - I don't think so - similar to giving someone with a driving licence a Ferrari - but no way of putting petrol in.) Investor confidence disappears when forcible removal happens - Economic suicide follows. I am glad you do not advocate forcible removal - as it is not the answer. There are solutions that will work - the next revolution will be an economic one based on ability - it should be driven by our youth - (not quite as radically as JM) - Look at China - no jobs are considered too menial - consider their economic strength as a result - In Africa if we could put the wrongs of the past behind us - (and they were wrongs) - we could make China look stupid. However sadly it will not happen in our lifetimes - but we have to start somewhere

      Jeremy - 2012-02-21 10:37

      Britain paid Mugabe TWICE for the land he stole anyway. Britain backed out of the last deal because Mugabe was trying to swindle them. I agree totally that black people need to learn how to farm. They need to learn a lot of things. Like a little recognition that they had help from all the colours, including white to end apartheid. South Africa is already experiencing STRANGLEHOLD POLITICS apartheid style from the current regime. Its going to get harder and harder to achieve ANYTHING of any worth without a little honesty, humility and co operation. When are we going to ask what we can do for our country rather than what we want it to do for us. The ANC slogan would be great if we really understood that Together we can do more. Stop lying, stealing, and pretending. Get a grip and get real.

  • Carlton Bana - 2012-02-20 13:23

    Reading some comments here, I do not wonder why some Black people have ant-white sentiments. No one wants to feel inferio so you insulting... will only cause them to push back. No wonder why Juliarse sometimes gets away with the things he says, because its the same things you say. We will never go forward as country if we keep on like this.

      reynard.j.debeer - 2012-02-20 13:30

      Read my comment above! I hate that my fellow light toned Africans can be so ignorant, you make me like taxi drivers more! Hate that talk, let it be known that there are lightened tones of people who strongly disagree with these idiots!!!

      Theprodigy - 2012-02-20 17:09

      thats News24 for you, all comments should be moderated, but its a free for all here & news24 seems to care less

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-02-21 14:50

      Perhaps the comments have been removed? I see some valid and responsible comments here. You have to take the good with the bad, and learn from the ones that rings true to a unbiased ear.

  • maongera - 2012-02-20 13:23

    Kobus i think u are nuts You want proof when 60% of the black population is still living in squaller and moreb land is owned by companies like banks and estate agencies Our land our country our continent

      reynard.j.debeer - 2012-02-20 13:32

      That talk too, WE have ALL contributed, the time is now to work TOGETHER, no more pointing fingers please!!!

      Kobus - 2012-02-20 13:32

      As it is mine also! And you sound Zimbabwean?

      Simon - 2012-02-20 18:33

      @ Maongera - may I respectfully ask you - What would you do if you were given a piece of land ? Would / Could you farm it effectively. Would it be kept as a lifestyle property - as a place to go on the weekends? Who cares who owns the land? - In Kenya no-one owns the land - if you want to farm you lease / rent it for 99 years. You have to farm it effectively or it is taken away. Your comment regarding ownership of the farms displays your ignorance. Consider ... in business not everyone can be the Managing Director so why when it comes to the question of land does everyone think they can be a farmer. In conclusion... I am just as African as you are - but I am not a bigot

  • JakesLR - 2012-02-20 13:23

    "This meant that farmers would have to increase agricultural output by twenty percent to meet a growing demand for food." Well with the amount of farmers being murdered, others leaving SA and others land been given away to un-productive previous disadvantaged farm workers. Yes I am so sure that food production in SA will be on the increase over the next few years. It makes logic sense to the ANC -

  • Breinlekkasie - 2012-02-20 13:24

    All of us have that problem. Property prices always seems more expensive than the buyer is prepared to pay. How do government think ordinary house buyers deal with the problem? If government think they are going to pick up every property at a steal they are mistaken. It takes hours of window shopping, making offers and so on until on gets a property at the right price. Government must also consider the fact that a fully developed farm is not only a piece of land but a business. The property has a particular value but the farm as a business also have a price and you are going to pay for both.

  • richard.fahrenfort - 2012-02-20 13:29

    I'm just saying Hn Minister, if your comrades and cronies didn't loot the Land Bank money or if your comrades and cronies weren't twiddling their thumbs at the dept of Land Affairs or if your comrades and cronies taught the new black farmers how to maintain their new land in the first place so that they didn't have to sell it back to the original white owners anyway, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm just saying...

  • claudine.wayjones - 2012-02-20 13:32

    I believe in the saying, "give a man a fish..." same goes with everything else. When one works for something yourself, the value is far greater. I believe that if anyone (and by anyone I mean ANYONE, not just black folk) want to buy such land, they should be sent on a course to farm it, and then they must farm the land and regular inspections should be made, where the inspector can also give advice. These farms should then have training for their workers on a regular basis. Teach the people, dont condemn the white farmer, he is very important, he has all the farming knowledge and can teach. (Zimbabwe's problems started when they chased the whites away, why not learn from their mistakes)We need all our people to work together to make our country great

  • Melanie - 2012-02-20 13:32

    Listen guys, please stop giving Phumi a hard time. He is just saying what we already know "...........most of our agricultutal land was acquired through LEGAL means". Sounds like a freudian slip to me.

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-20 13:42

      Its actually illegal means. Remember the immoral Land Act of 1913

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-20 13:43

      And the immoral Group Areas Act

      Alex - 2012-02-20 18:00

      Yes Mzwandile those acts were immoral. However, and here is the irony. They were law so any land acquired by anyone as a result of those Acts was in fact done legally. Law and morality are too separate ideals and the one is not always represented by the other. Also interestingly enough, a person cannot be found to have done something illegal or criminal if at the time the action was not deemed a crime.

  • Scebberish - 2012-02-20 13:39

    Be very carefull how you interpret this article!!! "And so we've actually thrown too much money down the chute. We need to look at this issue very differently." When stating too much money has been wasted, does it mean he feels that the expropraition itself needs to stop , or just the payments for the expropriated land needs to stop? "He did not elaborate, saying only that land reform was necessary and a "constitutional imperative".

  • STYLEbudd - 2012-02-20 13:42

    I wonder if other international countries "reclaim" land from owners? Or does this only happen in Africa? Most countries, if you look at their history, fought over land. "THE WINNER TAKES IT ALL" baby. Though I dont agree with taking land from innocent people, the reality is that for centuries people have fought over land, and whoever wins , gets the land thats just the reality of it. Let bygones be bygones. There is so much open land in South Africa, and we all know that most of the farms that have been bought back by the government and giving to the original families are laid to waste and its killing our acricultural sector fast and furiously. Why not rather assist people in obtaining new virgin soil. That way our current agricultural industry can continue to grow. ... just a thought!

  • SIMPHIWE.LASTBORN.MPHUTHI - 2012-02-20 14:02

    THE MORE YOU REFORM THE LAND THE JOB OPPURNITIES GETS DECREASE AND THE OUTPUT

  • Garth - 2012-02-20 14:02

    `This meant that farmers would have to increase agricultural output by twenty percent to meet a growing demand for food.' This means that the useless, worthless anc must stop killing farmers.

  • SIMPHIWE.LASTBORN.MPHUTHI - 2012-02-20 14:04

    The more the land get reform the job creations gets less and output because thats needs more of civilised equipment and materials

  • criticallyhonest - 2012-02-20 14:43

    Somehow, and I don't have an answer, the emotive bull needs to be taken out of land ownership. 21st century thinking is about economic sustainability not so-called cultural attachment to land. Get mobile, move on and develop, both ourselves and the land, so that we can feed ourselves instead of fighting over the earth's thin skin.

      Mzwandile - 2012-02-20 14:54

      Easy to say because you are not a victim.

      Theprodigy - 2012-02-20 17:14

      Mzwandile, how long are you planning to be a victim, I was also a victim & I solved my problems myself, don't expect the ANC to do it for you, they have wasted 17 years already & all they have done is create more victims.

      Simon - 2012-02-20 18:43

      I agree with you whole heartedly - I am a "victim" - as Mzwandile points out. However you only remain a victim if you don't get off your butt and do something about it. Land should be viewed as just another agricultural implement. In Kenya you lease the land for 99 years if you want to farm. If you don't you give the land back - simple - no emotions. It is like a very large flat factory.

      barabus2012 - 2012-02-20 20:28

      @mzwandile - neither were you.

  • Phumi - 2012-02-20 14:52

    There is nothing to re-think on land-reform! What is needed is the whole process to be scrapped and the willing buyer willing seller abolished! We need a radical shift in policy to introduce land expropriation without compensation. Anyone who is resisting should be named, shamed and jailed finish and klaar! In fact governemtn should increase their target of 30% of land to be tranfared to black ownership to 50% by 2020.!

      Longile - 2012-02-20 15:16

      You go Phumi and while we at it, lets see if we can steal all the minerals in the mines, all the money in the banks,and we can just call it Nationalisation, that should keep us in cash for a few years

      Cracker - 2012-02-20 15:40

      @ Phumi When the shop shelves empty and the people have only two options, namely to flee out of their country to neighboring countries or REALLY take steps against those they see as responsible for the onset of famine, make sure your name does not show anywhere as a beneficiary.

      Ben - 2012-02-20 16:48

      Phumi, if you are completely uninformed there is a way to hide it: Keep quiet.

      Simon - 2012-02-20 18:48

      Phumi - legislation to this effect already exists. Did you know that it exists for residential as well as commercial property as well. Your ignorance is showing here. We fortuneatly live in a country with a legal system that still works. What you are promoting here is anarchy ... clueless.

      Johann Enslin - 2012-02-20 19:02

      Hahahahaahahahaah aaahhhhahahahah

      barabus2012 - 2012-02-20 20:31

      someone has been reading '101 juju, the brain stops here' I thoroughly enjoyed reading all 5 pages. very informative.

      Sarel Brits - 2012-02-21 06:57

      Funny how you see it as shameful that a man would want to defend his right to own his land, Even more funny is the fact that you think you can alienate this right with a law and gail do you not know South African history its this attitude that caused the struggle and it will do so again if you steal the Boer's land, we will fight and you will go hungry.

      Jeremy - 2012-02-21 11:00

      I don't understand why you are not the Minister of land reform Phumi. Or, having read your input on the entire worlds problems President of the UN. (Sorry I see my error) Chairman of the Peoples Republic of China. You are a star performer. Hitler would have been proud of you. Stalin would haver loved you. Polpot would have given you a hug and chairman Mao would have had you shot for threatening his monopoly on murder. You are a rabid child with NO insight into any kind of reality. So tell us how was apartheid for u Phumi? For me it was shyt. That government hated everyone. You criticise Europe, you rant against everything. You want to be the champion chop and put ALL your perceived enemies against a wall and shoot them. If you don't agree with something, then its a conspiracy, a white monopoly. How about the Chinese monopoly of SA labour. What is wrong with the Kenyan model? Why are you so anti. South Africa could be great. Or do you see it going all the way back to roots of having your king OWN ALL THE LAND AND TELLING YOU WHEN TO FALL ON YOUR SPEAR?

  • Assis - 2012-02-20 16:58

    What is the motivation for land-reform ? Cause you can have a change of ownership easy but it's actually a career change for all the new owners. Most have no prior experience in farming and few actually succeed. I would rather help existing black farmers that have a track record of success in farming in getting more land. Then land reform will be meaningful and sustainable.

  • pmolesworth - 2012-02-20 18:28

    Here is a thought that is really different, how about treating those on the land as South Africans instead of foreigners. Treat them as people not colours and offer them the protection, recognition and thought that they deserve as providers

  • Bandile - 2012-02-20 18:49

    Eish man wena, Manual! Your parents they called you Manual 'cause they didn't know nothing about Automatic! These Boere, they see all your ANC lies. They are clever.

  • Johann Enslin - 2012-02-20 19:00

    True colours shining through...hahahaha communist. Take it! Take it all! You see Trevor the land is worth nothing without hard work and industrious people. Take it without compensation, see food prices rise, increase the grants and up the taxes and see the geese fly...Take it Trevor, push a little more and when I close my business you can teach the uneducated Economics 101.

  • barry.dogg.fritz - 2012-02-20 19:11

    is this going to become another zimbabwe , i suppose they cant call me a whenwe now , i am now called a sowetonow . in 1994 there were 84000 farmers , now there are 11000 farmers left and declining

  • Adrian - 2012-02-21 00:01

    For an increase in production of 20% we will need educated, professional commercial farmers, not subsistence farmers. Up till now this criteria has not been understood. Will it ever be?

  • brettcch - 2012-02-21 00:12

    Dear Mr Manuel, I suspect that if the land reform was in the hands of competent professionals, the outcomes would be vastly different. The cadres cannot even run a rural town - actually, they cannot run a bath - let alone a strategic initiative with the potential to bring about equality, dignity, poverty alleviation, job creation, skills transfer, etc etc etc etc. The ANC is running out of key assets with which to bring about the constitutional changes and freedom they have promised for the last 20 years. Do you think that you can have a word with your comrades to step aside and let competent people run the country?

  • Morama - 2012-02-21 08:33

    This issue is indeed not sensetive,just share the land equally to all south africans taking into consideration that those who get it for the first time are fully equipped so that we don't starve.FINISH and KLAAR.

  • Winifred - 2012-02-21 08:52

    BEFORE ANY LAND IS GIVEN, GOV MUST CHECK THAT THE PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT FROM THIS MUST BE QUALIFIED TO WORK THE LAND. IF THEY FAIL AFTER A CERTAIN GIVEN TIME THE LAND MUST BE TAKEN AWAY AND PASSED ON TO SOME ONE ELSE. EVERY BODY WANTS A PIECE OF LAND BUT WHAT DO THEY DO WITH IT WHEN THEY GET ......JUST USE IT TO SH-T ON. WE HAVE SEEN THIS IN ZIMBABWE. TAKING A PRODUCTIVE FARM AWAY AND GIVING IT TO A PERSON WHO WILL JUST SH-T ON IT IS NOT THE ANSWER. MOST WANT TO BE FARMERS, THEY ALSO EXPECT GOV TO GIVE THEM ALL THE IMPLEMENTS TO WORK THE FARM, THEY EXPECT GOVE TO SUPPLY LABOUR AND PAY, DO THE HARVESTING THEN THEY POCK THE MONEY FOR THEMSELVES. THEY EXPECT EVERTHING TO BE DONE FOR THEM, ITS THEIR RIGHT AS THE LAND OWNER. HENCE THE LAND BECOMES UNWORKABLE AND UNPRODUCTIVE UNLESS YOU ARE IN THE MANURE BUSINESS. FARMING IS HARD WORK IT IS NOT A LAYABOUT JOB ASK ANY FARMER. LOTS OF SWEAT AND BLOOD.

  • Marius - 2012-02-21 09:02

    @ David.Lebethe. you said, "You can hardly do anything (it be house chores) without us yet you are the first to spew vitrol from your mouth" VERY true words, and that made me ashamed of being so lazy, so I fired my well paid gardener and decided to do the gardening myself...I hope he was your brother.

  • Ingrid - 2012-02-21 09:33

    Hey it's simple. History is obviously not a strong subject at school. So go back to the drawing board and the state libraries to study the subject of land ownership before Jan van Riebeeck landed on these shores. Clearly our president and his henchmen need to go back to school to get at least their matric certificate. Then we will hopefully be spared the moronic remarks that spill out of their mouths adhock.

  • Kai - 2012-02-21 10:22

    I'm going to stick my neck on the block here. Surely it should be the governments priority to ensure that the country can produce enough food to support it's population, as long as the farms are productive it really shouldn't matter who owns them. Rather learn from Zimbabwe than follow them.

  • Jacqui - 2012-02-21 10:46

    Goverment throws money down the shute all day long, every day. Who knows that better than Manual himself?. I can remember his sarcastic remarks about acid water not so long ago. Where are we now?. A pinch of salt is needed here.

  • Sasmart - 2012-02-21 23:47

    By March 2011 the State owned 64,976 farms, 5448 'agricultural holdings'; and 41% of SA’s entire land surface in the former tribal homelands – which are not as yet registered in the Land Registry office and thus are also not listed as ‘State-owned’ in their official land-registries. All their public pronouncements claiming that ‘Whites own 80% of all the lands’ are clearly inaccurate propaganda. The former home-lands remain available to farming -- and are being farmed by millions of black people today; and the State in 1994 also inherited another1,085,084 state-owned urban sites: which are mostly municipalities and their parcels designated for township developments, as well as inheriting large military-holdings, forests and wildlife reserves. In 2008 - only 0.79% of the country’s land surface was under permanent crops: only 14,980 square km was under irrigation The CIA observations from space have also registered the fact that by the end of 2008, although SA previously had access to 12.1% ‘arable land’ of its total land surface -- only 0.79% of the land was under permanent crops – of which 14,980 sq km were irrigated in 2008. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sf.html

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:26

    In 1994, the SA revenue registers showed that there were between 85,000 and 100,00 privately-owned, food-producing farms in South Africa, which employed more than 1,6-million workers – all taxpayers who lived on the farms with their families. These farms ever only produced this excess-food on less than SIX PERCENT of the entire surface of the country – although according to the CIA, 12,1 percent of SA is considered ‘arable’ land. How can whites then still own 80% of all land?

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:28

    Up to 41 % of all the SA land (private and state) was however also identified as being in the formerly independent black homelands – and which parcels could not be reconciled with the SA Deeds Registration System because this land was under the hegemony of autonomic black-tribal entities and was not registered in the SA Deeds office before 1994. After 1994, the homelands ceased to exist. However — Millions of black South Africans still maintain subsistence farms and settlements there in e.g. Gazankulu, Bophuthatswana, QwaQwa, Bantu trusts, Kwa-Zulu, Transkei, Venda etc. So how can whites still own 80%?

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