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Mathale warns comrades over 'vulgar language'

2011-12-20 22:25

Polokwane - Newly-elected ANC Limpopo chair Cassel Mathale on Tuesday bemoaned "foreign tendencies" like the use of vulgar language, saying these would destroy the party if not nipped in the bud.

The four-day conference, held to elect new party leaders in the province, had exposed serious weaknesses in the ruling party, he said in his closing remarks in Polokwane.

"The usage of vulgar language is a phenomenon becoming a trend in the movement. Lack of patience with each other is also mounting at an alarming speed."

Delegates loyal to Mathale, including suspended ANC Youth League president Julius Malema, mocked President Jacob Zuma during the conference, referring to him as "shower man".

They chanted derogatory songs while making a shower head with their hands over their heads, a reference to Zuma's remarks during his rape trial in 2006.

He told the High Court in Johannesburg he took a shower after having unprotected sex with an HIV-positive woman. He was later acquitted.

This was seen as a direct attack on Zuma and his governance, especially after the national government recently took over the running of five Limpopo provincial departments due to mismanagement.

Political education

Malema was on Tuesday elected as a provincial executive committee member, with 592 votes. He was 17th on the list of 20 names.

Supporters of Arts and Culture Deputy Minister Joe Phaahla, who lost out to Mathale, belted out chants mocking his leadership.

Mathale, who is also Limpopo's premier, told delegates political education would be made a priority in the province.

He said another issue was party members' inability to accept the outcomes of ANC internal democratic processes.

Internal processes like elections were never intended to divide, but to unite members.

He warned them against celebrating such results in the same way the ANC celebrated an election victory against the opposition.

The cause of the problem might be the manner in which members campaigned for positions. They invested emotions and personal interests in elective processes, even resorting to doing wrong to win.

"If not addressed, [this] will grind and destroy our movement... ."

Mathale said the ANC would fail to deliver on its priorities if it did not have disciplined and committed cadres who understood the politics of the movement.

Comments
  • Marius Koen - 2011-12-20 22:37

    Its official: shower and man are vulgar words.

      rowen.loretz - 2011-12-20 23:05

      and the comedy in the banana republic continues...what a circus this country is.

      John - 2011-12-20 23:54

      The single most important factor about " nationalization " is: It has not succeeded in '100' countries over '100' years. The countries which have tried it have FAILED, and are moving AWAY from " nationalization ". Russia, China, India, Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela, Tanzania, Mozambique, Zimbabwe, etc, etc. ALL FAILED. Not only did the TOTAL CONTROL OF THE ECONOMY fail, but also the TOTAL CONTROL OF THE PEOPLE fail. Malema, Cosatu, ANC do not have any trick, ace, or advantage of any kind that makes it possible for nationalization to succeed in South Africa. There are comparable samples of same populations trying TOTAL CONTROL and FREEDOM ECONOMICS: Germany, freedom success, East Germany, nationalization failure. South Korea, freedom success, North Korea, nationalization failure. Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, freedom success, China, nationalization failure. Western Europe, freedom success, Eastern Europe, nationalization failure. Malema, Cosatu, ANC are guilty of ignorance, incompetence, negligence, abortion, murder, Genocide.

      Kevin - 2011-12-21 04:06

      Yawn- Soon us colonialists will have to find another country to vacuum clean as we have nearly emptied the mines they want to nationalize. Anyone know of a country worth putting the colonial vacuum cleaner to. Preferably with a sea view please.

      Squeegee - 2011-12-21 07:29

      The ANC has some serious problems. There is no unity and no sense of belonging. The structures are just convenient tools to get into posisions of power where officials can steal as much as possible as quickly as possible. Expect more backstabbing and internal strife as more people want their piece of the pie.

      John - 2011-12-30 20:57

      To the tune of Mfana: Malema, Jesus loves you, Malema, Your mother loves you, Malema, Your father loves, Repent, Manpara, repent, Repent, Ignorant, repent, Repent, Negligent, repent, Repent, Liar, repent, Repent, Thief, repent, Repent, Baby Killer, repent, Repent, Genocider, repent! Okai, stop the bus, how can you say all that? Lets have a look: Malema is Ignorant that the Failed Communist Countries like the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, employed Central Control Economies ( CCE ), with full and total nationalization. Negligent - as the head of an organization, it is his duty to be fully informed of the economic history of total disasters of CCE. He does not know that Gorbachov announced reforms away from nationalization – in the early 1980’s! He is a Liar, because these are not his ideas, these ideas have been around for over 100 years. Thief, he has stolen the PEOPLES money – that is how bribery and corruption works. Baby Killer, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 800 000 black babies in government hospitals! Genocider, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 5 Million Aids sufferers which were refused medication. Repent, Manpara, Repent!

  • Letile - 2011-12-20 22:38

    whatever dude !

  • Bongani - 2011-12-20 22:41

    Yawn. This movement is now officially a political schizophrenic society of a lot disturbed people.

      Herman - 2011-12-20 22:47

      Double yawn........pathetic thieves these anc consumers have become, worthless to the bone!

      Phuti - 2011-12-20 22:59

      We call tht democracy;people choose de ANC cos they believe in them.vote for ur DA & leave other do vote for their own ANC.

      Jerhone - 2011-12-21 09:01

      To Phuti the zombie, Mathale said the ANC would fail to deliver on its priorities if it did not have (disciplined) and committed cadres who understood the politics of the movement.....now thats a really good joke i mean the disiplined part commited i can understand you are all commited to steal as much as you can before Jesus returns

  • Cracker - 2011-12-20 22:48

    Did not even read the article. Who cares? Just be alerted. Most people probably also don't read the articles. How will they distinguish between what can be legitimately challenged and changed and the alternatives? Warnings are all over.

  • Howard - 2011-12-20 22:57

    Julius who ?

  • Saksak Motsepe - 2011-12-20 23:21

    I also didn't read the article but I expect the usual anti-ANC drivel. I'm not a ANC supporter, I just like to defend underdogs. News24 is dominated by whining whites as well as overly liberated anti-ANC blacks which means that news24 comments can never be a true reflection of common sentiments

      Bongani - 2011-12-21 01:02

      Of course Saksak it can never be representative of our society so all comments on here are 99% anti-ANC. It is because only 1% of the population has the luxury to voice their voices in this manner. It will take another 25 years before our part of Africa will all be on here contesting the rights or wrongs of a government. Until then we will do things politically the way it was done 50 years ago. It is not possible for Africa to evolve in the manner you have evolved and they will never, I say never, have the means you have to further yourself. Do you now see why I say South Africa is a Lottery? Everybody goes to cast a ballot in the hopes they would win a ride on the magic Gravy Train. Disillusioned they walk back to their shacks and wait for the next 4 years to buy another ticket. Most people need a Saviour. 45 Million had Mandela in 1994 and he has now become a Saint, but he is almost no longer. Who do you think is grooming himself as the next Saviour? On here you must have read the constant joking about his woodworking skills. I am telling you tonight, he is a lot brighter than all his critics together. Even brighter than Mugabe! The problem for us acidic mouths on here, is he will dispense of all of us, because we won't bow, but the ones that do, will continue the African tradition of being hard done by wretches.

      Joseph - 2011-12-21 01:29

      @Bongani-Malema is bright as you say but he will never be brighter than Mugabe,put your facts together, Malema has been destroyed by the verdict of displinary hearing the Americans and Britons have vidicated Mugabe for years but have failed to destroy him.Malema is not bright but arrogant.Arrogant and brightness are to different things which will never be compared.Arrogant will never be transfared to brightness.

      Bongani - 2011-12-21 01:55

      @Joseph. He will surprise you Joseph. What you don't know tonight is that he is actually the Crown Prince of South Africa. The ANC is using him to achieve their ultimate goal and that is to claim back South Africa. Why Joseph, do you think his appeal was postponed until after Mangaung? Why was he elected to the PEC today while still under suspension? Why was he suspended and not expelled? Are you starting to see how the ANC is using him as a very useful tool? Surely the actions of the President must have by now raised your eyebrows with regard to his continuous silence? The roadmap was drawn in 2007 while we all blissfully thinking we will together save this place from another diabolical mess like Zimbabwe. Did you ever hear any of our Presidents mutter a word of criticism to Mugabe?

      John - 2011-12-21 03:52

      Do you read, full stop??

      Christiaan - 2011-12-21 10:56

      Saksak, why are you reading News24 if it is only Whining whites?? Thank you for the laugh: " I'm not a ANC supporter, I just like to defend underdogs" - ANC - Underdog LOL LOL Saksak - idiot

  • lawrence.ostle - 2011-12-20 23:43

    "Vulgar language will destroy the party" He hasn't heard about 'sticks and stones' apparently.

      nechabaesele - 2011-12-21 11:54

      then there will be no more ANC

  • Michael - 2011-12-20 23:50

    "foreign tendencies" to swear? Thank goodness our politicians are blameless. As untainted virgins, in white robbed gowns the flutter around parliament, raining down fairy dust and love for all. Only to be tainted, blackened by "foreign tendencies" These imperialistic colonialist swine infiltrate's govt structures, spreading nasty little words and rumors. They must be stopped! foreigners, must stop their "foreign tendencies". Oh my word, on a more serious note, I think we have the thickest mob on the planet right here on our shores, and they have gone full retard! What makes it worse, they are actually meant to work for us, lead us.

  • Sean - 2011-12-21 00:17

    Vulgar language? Thats the least of our problems.

  • Steward - 2011-12-21 00:40

    Nationalization has actually worked in Norway, but then again Norway has a functional government that actually cares for its people. I would also not count China as a failure where nationalization is concerned. The second most powerful economy in the world, come now. I see nationalization as a tool that can bring lots of good in the right hands which unfortunately we don't have, and heartache in the wrong hands.

      Steward - 2011-12-21 00:47

      Regarding the subject at hand, you've lost the moral high ground a long time ago. When you tolerate certain vulgar language because it suits you, and then throw a fit because another instance disadvantages you, then you really don't have a leg to stand on.

      Bongani - 2011-12-21 01:28

      Let me give you the sad news about Nationalisation in South Africa in 2011. 1. Mines. Not enough mineral wealth left to make but a few rich. The workers are already working there, so the profits will just go into another individual's pocket. He will just be of another race. 2. Land grabs. The government doesn't have enough money now (fact) to build 40 Million free houses, so where will they find the money to equip every new farmer with implements to farm? 3. Nationalisation of the Banks. This is the electronic age and everybody with a bit of money has it already in a foreign account. The rest will follow the moment nationalisation of banks become a reality. This currency will become worthless and everybody with money will pay via a credit card from their foreign accounts. Only those on grants will be having local bank accounts. Th problem with the ANC is they THINK we live in 1948 when the evil Nationalists took over. They haven't noticed the world has moved on. We loved our struggle. Africa was born to be wretches. We are giving this place away to Chinese, so we can continue being wretches until forever.

      Juan - 2011-12-21 03:32

      @steward China were living in the stone age till they started embracing capitalism and a free market economy during recent years. State control of the economy was a flop over there as well

      Moloto Mabonchi - 2011-12-21 04:41

      Kwakwakwa. Who is gonna administer the nationalisation money when they exhaust all their budget and overdraft facility. To Malema and his ilk all government's money is for tenders. Not even the public servants deserve salaries. You should know the crises in Limpopo now. I was never Thabo Mbeki fan as I thought he cared more about making inroads into world politics than caring about that hobo who can't afford something to eat. But I now awaken to the fact that the facts presented for recalling him were only used as a smokescreen to hide his firmness when it comes to accountability and curb of free for all in tenders.

  • Joseph - 2011-12-21 01:19

    The ANC was right Mr Mathale when it instituted displinary hearing on your friend who is the CEO of tenders in Limpopo.Very soon you will be a victim of your friend as you are not going to tow the line on issuing tenders given the fact that 5 of your ministries are under governmant administration.

  • Robi - 2011-12-21 01:23

    Thanks to the intellectuls and thinking tanks the country posses. If it was not because of them, the country should have been destroyed long time ago. I have never seen the party that is at war and violence with itself in the name of democracy. Democracy has its own principles and processes,but whatever happening in the ruling party is shocking. Psychological war,violence and material violence threatened the party and its survival. Instead of accepting and taking corrective measures, we are lectured that the party practices internal democracy. I suspect that the ANC that liberated the country and the ANC today is differrent. As soon as the leadership realizes the better. If unable to realign the ANC today we are still going to entertained by crisis after crisis. Through long term planning strong opposition can use the environment to their advantage. The ANC is experiencing corruption ethnicity,reputation, political,material and human resources, disciplinary and leadership, publicity risks. As long as there is no one who realign the party and consistently apply ANC processes the party is in the process of fading forever.

      Bongani - 2011-12-21 01:34

      Robi that was brilliant. But if the corruption started in 1994, how do I know as a voter if their intentions were ever pure? Was this about my freedom from the Nationalists, or was this to lay their hands on the state coffers?

      Moloto Mabonchi - 2011-12-21 04:25

      As a youngster I was ready to lose my life for freedom. Even now I can't convince myself to vote for any other party. But what kills me inside is a realisation that maybe the current leaders know that as long as the education system is poor and the people are poor, they shall never muster courage or slight inkling to vote against the ANC. You should also see how the youth in poor townships and villages believe what Malema says. That they can be rich without sweating. They can't think beyond Malema's rhetoric, for they are poor and uneducated.

      Bigrp - 2011-12-21 11:03

      Moloto, one of the best comments ever...I have always said the ruling party will allow education to be a shambles, because surely nobody with a proper education will keep on voting for the ANC!

      Gail - 2011-12-21 11:40

      While talking about education,let us not forget the other two pillars of society, health and security from invasion by people from the North who can buy SA citizenship here. By allowing infrastructure to crumble as in hospitals, roads and good honest policing the ruling part is ensuring that their own people die ghastly deaths at the hands of inept drivers, filthy hospitals with too few nurses and doctors and of course interfering with the police ensures that those who do not wish (their democratic right) to work in remote villages leave the service to those who are prepared to take any job where they can extort and steal and even kill people. All of this ties in with what Zuma said just today - like the Chinese the African Nationalist liberators are deliberately allowing those who were previously disadvantaged through Christian values (as per Zuma) to die as he has realised that the rash promises he made during the liberation years simply are not possible because of the overpopulation of Africa by Africans. Let them die of disease and taxi "accidents" caused by inadequate maintenance of vehicles and roads. The Chinese passed a law to limit families to one child and were reviled by the world because of the murder of millions of newly born baby girls. Africa is smart enough to allow people to die of seemingly random things like disease while the world looks on and says shame poor children and gives them food etc. I'm not sure who are the greater fools.

  • Bridgetletstalk - 2011-12-21 01:29

    What type of president is he? I would step down if i were him, so sad for a president to be associated with rape, hiv even pregnanting children.South Africa needs a leader,maybe a new poilitical party.

  • Robi - 2011-12-21 01:46

    Ibhubesi, remember that when the road to freedom was travelled, the ANC only owned the ideology about new South Africa. And they had genuine ideas throug freedom charter how they wanted the country to look like after liberated. Biggest crisis they did not apply freedom charter.

      Bongani - 2011-12-21 01:58

      Very true Robi.

  • John - 2011-12-21 03:48

    ""He said another issue was party members' inability to accept the outcomes of ANC internal democratic processes.""" Pity he doesn't feel the wame way about ANC internal disciplinary processes.

  • Moloto Mabonchi - 2011-12-21 04:02

    Look who is talking now. Has he told Julius this? All the older comrades but not active in politics now I meet, bemoan the disrespect and selfishness ruling in the anc now. No one expect them to go away soon as they are the uniting factors of the current anc leadership. The movement is long gone. What remains is a congress of businessmen and their aspirant understudies whose ladder is show of rascal tendencies and will to see SA being like the DRC.

      Gail - 2011-12-21 11:58

      Maloto. We hear you but how do we change the mindset of the voters who do not read what we can see needs doing, namely sending a much stronger message to the ruling party at the next election by voting for any other opposition party thus limiting their majority in parliament to a fraction of what it is today. How do we hold those guilty of selfenrichment responsible for the damage they have done and the money stolen and wasted on expensive Westernised lives. First World methods and ways of living may seem desirable but they are as flawed (just look at the mess their economies are in) as the African way. Somehow we need to find a middle way by reducing population by limiting immigration from the rest of Africa of unskilled people who work for less and send the money back to families in countries north of us. As an African born we need to appreciate what our continent can provide and see that it is shared evenly so that NEEDS are met and not WANTS. Human rights are fine but humans are not all equal and don't have identical abilities. Let us see the value in manual labour as well as professional skills. Lets love our continent by reusing etc creatively.Any ideas gratefully received. Children need to be taught that tertiary education isn't the be-all and end all and that you first have to put effort into life before you receive huge monies in your first job even with a degree. In Africa food has to be cultivated, etc. I think that this is what Zuma is meaning about Christianity.

      Moloto Mabonchi - 2011-12-21 13:42

      So true Gall. I've long freed myself from mental slavery, and the only part of me that is still enslaved is the part of my heart that still loves the anc thou I can't vote for them or against them. On the notion of self sufficience and thinking beyond obtaining a degree, you can say that again. We need to know that although we are global beings, we still have to know SA belongs to us. If we do not guard against unnecesary occupation of it and influences, in a not too distant future, we shall be having nothing. Unfortunately or fortunately I've stopped acquiring academic qualifications, but rather decided to acquire only knowledge that will enrich my mind. The more I do these, the more I realise most of those who are supposed to be educated are mentaly enslaved and dependent on other people or state. We need to unshackle ourselves from this.

  • Shoe - 2011-12-21 05:04

    Mathale for President!!!. He does Zuma one better in every way possible . He's a step ahead of Shower man in very impressive ways e.g. divisiveness, corruption, lack of scruples etc. When looking for a successor, one's own alter ego is always the best candidate. Viva ANC.

  • Nkosinathi - 2011-12-21 05:11

    Cassel Mathale's dictionary of insult is none other than his business partner Julius Malema. Malema has insulted very senior part members in our movement some calling them 'dead snakes' some of having 'fake nasal English like tone'. He even went on and declared that he was going to kill for somebody. This is un matured polictics of the jungle. To fully understand how we do our things here just watch " a video that can shock South Africans by James David Manning" that video summes everyhing about us. You love to hate that then you hate the truth. In a polical educated nation almost 95% of the so called leaders would unknown unemployed slume dwellers in township.

  • Heinie - 2011-12-21 05:59

    How fast are they going down? Just look at the speed at which our roads are going down and you will have your answer.

  • Deeteem - 2011-12-21 06:12

    "Mathale told delegates political education would be made a priority" How about just EDUCATION !!!!

  • elphaas.mgiba - 2011-12-21 06:58

    Give Mathale a Bells!

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2011-12-21 07:07

    General statements have been a trend within the ranks of the ANC, 'combrades, some and others' are vague words commonly used instead of calling them by their names. This approach is also used to refer to corrupt officials and that just shows that whatever they do is pre-meditated in their undercover boardrooms. This indirect approach is just a simple time wasting tactics.

  • MrGuyT - 2011-12-21 07:57

    What a bunch of clowns

      Mike - 2011-12-21 12:23

      Stop insulting clowns.They are human.

  • Jimmy - 2011-12-21 08:20

    "Mathale, who is also Limpopo's premier, told delegates political education would be made a priority in the province." perhaps they should try basic education first..

  • Gwen - 2011-12-21 09:32

    Hush... Everytime I hear those words in private talks, people Hush immediately. Did you hear them too? Rumors say that just the rich people know all about it. Just do a G00GLE search for "BlueGoldHunt" all one word and click the first site that comes up.

  • Gwen - 2011-12-21 09:33

    Hush... Everytime I hear those words in private talks, people Hush immediately. Did you hear them too? Rumors say that just the rich people know all about it. Just do a G00GLE search for "BlueGoldHunt" all one word and click the first site that comes up.

  • Gwen - 2011-12-21 09:41

    Hush... Everytime I hear those words in private talks, people Hush immediately. Did you hear them too? Rumors say that just the rich people know all about it. Just do a G00GLE search for "BlueGoldHunt" all one word and click the first site that comes up.

  • MakaNyawuzenkukhu - 2011-12-21 10:49

    One values your idea and suggestion of political education please endorse and teach discipline as a main initial ingredient of human values. If all members of the society turn to be rude the country will be like a drama in hell[mad house]without proper leadership skills.Immobilizing and empowering ANC members remains vital.One's personal appeal is your emphasis on ANC philosophy and history, especially that SA was fought for by leaders who made many sacrifices for the benefit of all by leaving their luxurious homes and families without any personal ambitions [will mention few, Mr Mandela spent time in jail, Mr O R Tambo's family before joining him in UK had to spend days in Ghana, imagine a lady suffering travelling with small children].Today we witness people abusing the trust given to them by poor citizens.Some ANC Cdes forget their mandate to be community ambassadors.Different views within leadership must not mislead the poor society, in politics its daily life to see differently but united you can win, there is no need for dirty washing to be on the line for whole world to see, resolve internal disputes with mutual respect excluding violence and intimidating behavior, no one is perfect and no one is above the law as to SA is not owned by any individual but the whole society.Youth must respect the grow ups, thats golden rule and remains as it no matter what individual upbringing was.

  • Dombolo - 2011-12-21 13:32

    Who the F is this guy?

  • Thabang - 2011-12-31 15:51

    They insult and swear at honest comrades and turn around to talk of discipline,how convenient.Mathale is not the one to talk of political education,rather high school education for the types he keep!!

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