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'Mein Führer' comment is hate speech: DA

2012-04-13 20:05

Johannesburg - The DA accused a senior Western Cape home affairs official of hate speech on Friday after he described leader Helen Zille as "Mein Führer" on social networking site Facebook.

"The remarks are made by someone who holds a senior government post... [and] the nature of his comments amount to hate speech," Democratic Alliance chairperson Wilmot James said.

On March 23, Patric Taric Mellet wrote on his Facebook page: "Mein Führer Helen Zille motormouth does not cease to amaze with her cloned NP [National Party] style. How she justifies her racist rants just deepens the foot-in-mouth disease."

Mein Führer, German for my leader, was used to address Nazi leader Adolf Hitler.

Mellet also criticised Zille's comments last month, in which she referred to Eastern Cape pupils who flocked to the Western Cape for a better education as "refugees".

Seventeen people "liked" the post, and five commented. Two of them were negative comments about Zille.

Unbecoming of a civil servant


Mellet told The Star he was director of maritime and aviation projects at home affairs.

James said Mellet's comments were "irresponsible", "inappropriate" and "unbecoming of a civil servant".

"We think [Home Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma] should have a disciplinary hearing [for Mellet] at the very least, and we would imagine he would be eligible for suspension."

The fact that Mellet held such a high government post was evidence of the ruling party's use of cadre deployment, he said.

The Star newspaper quoted Mellet as saying his Facebook remarks were made in his personal capacity, and as such, he was constitutionally entitled to his own opinion.

"Also, be very careful not to put words into my mouth... Mein Führer... is simply referencing a tendency towards [PW] Botha style - the leader knows what is good for you [it is not referencing Hitler]," he said.

Home Affairs director general Mkuseli Apleni said he could not make an informed comment, because he had not read Mellet's comments.

"People have their own rights. As long as he is not saying it in his capacity as an official of the department," Apleni told Sapa.

Comments
  • Glyn - 2012-04-13 20:14

    And the anc worry about the "refugee" comment! Ha Effing Ha!

      Piet - 2012-04-13 20:37

      from tea girl to fuhrer!!!

      Warren - 2012-04-13 22:16

      "Also, be very careful not to put words into my mouth... Mein Führer... is simply referencing a tendency towards [PW] Botha style - the leader knows what is good for you [it is not referencing Hitler]," he said. This is the bit where he realises he's overstepped the mark wants to retract what he said but doesn't want to apologise...so he uses a gutless tactic that assumes everyone is as stupid as he is. If Malema gets into poo for likening his leader to a dictator surely some action must taken when another gov official likens another leader to Hitler (despite his protest that he's being misunderstood). Of course because it's an opposition leader and not the ANC one it'll deemed as an insignificant offence. Also just because the post was made on facebook it doesn't matter. He's a public representative, he should be responsible in all public forums and can't just wear a different hat when convenient. Irresponsible fools have business being in the civil service at all.

      jannie.barnard - 2012-04-13 22:18

      Please Hugo, why don't you join Mellet on the N1?

      Warren - 2012-04-13 23:44

      EDIT : Irresponsible fools have NO business being in the civil service at all.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-14 07:53

      Ag shame, Helen.....

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 07:55

      Um, Leonard. Having no friends on Facebook means he uses that account to comment on news24. You cannot comment here without Facebook. You should respect the privacy of random jack-asses with too much time on their hands (me included of course).

      Hugh - 2012-04-14 09:35

      The DA reaction is childish and stupid as was the ANc's reaction to Refugee's. Name calling should be ignored or is this because Ms. Zille is Jewish? Another consideration is the question if she really cares a damb what the ANC call her. To waste time on nit picky argument when there are more important items on tha dgenda such as Municipalities and government move toward privatising water and doing away with our right to the basic 9 kilo litres is by far more important. We have an ignored national issue where the national water management stratagy does not include urban rain water harvesting used to compliment the national resource. In short leaving the Urban home owner to foot the bill for esculating water waste caused by the so called 'not billable" user.

  • Piet - 2012-04-13 20:21

    Incompetant bunch of bananas.......

      Ingrid - 2012-04-13 20:56

      @Rambo919 - being named "Mein fuhrer" is an insult. That was the name Hitler was named, and he was evil personified!

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 21:44

      typical

      Irene - 2012-04-13 21:52

      spartanx93 ~ The Nats lost their chance. Should have done it while they could. Now they just take the blame for something that they never did.

  • rambo919 - 2012-04-13 20:21

    oh ffs, Mein Führer is German for "my leader"...that's it. You hardly need to be a nazi of any kind for say it. How the leap to hate speech was made though I have no idea, mayby someone is competing for the "most rediculous of the year" prize?

      Morn%c3%a9 - 2012-04-13 21:20

      This guy did not want to refer to HZ as my leader and this was clearly not his intention. Even in Germany the term 'fuhrer' is becoming redundant, because of the association with Hitler and 'leiter' is the preferred alternative in common use.

      Polotic - 2012-04-13 21:48

      You cannot defend the indefensible! Get a life!

      Bokfan - 2012-04-13 23:14

      Anyone calling themselves Rambo gets my vote for poephol of the month.

      Jaja - 2012-04-13 23:26

      I also dont see anything wrong with it as it does not mention her race, so it cant be racist or hate speech. Helen should grow up, I thought that she was supposed to be doing her job yet she's busy chasing people for money and to be a celebrity.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:38

      Rambo you think this is a triviality?. G to Germany and start using the term there. Your behind will be in jail before you have time to zip up your trousers. Silly person.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:41

      Jaja, since your family wasn't stuffed into ovens, I am not surprised you cannot see what it meant.

      bvravest - 2012-04-15 12:01

      heil rambo (not): From Wiki - "Führer (German pronunciation: ['fy???]; English: /'fj??r?r/), alternatively spelled Fuehrer in both English and German when the umlaut is not available, is a German title meaning leader or guide now most associated with Adolf Hitler. The word Führer in the sense of guide remains common in German, but because of its strong association with Nazi Germany, it comes with some stigma and negative connotations when used as the meaning of leader. The word Leiter is therefore used instead. In other languages, the word is used almost exclusively as the epithet for Hitler." Maybe that's why it is seen as hate speech? and what the hell is "rediculous?" wow, cant even use the spell check on news24. you uber idiot.

  • Kobus - 2012-04-13 20:23

    Don't see anything wrong in the manner in which he made a comparison? Zille truly is becoming too big for her own shoes and its going to be a wake up call once she realizes that she has lost the respect (and votes) from many Afrikaners and just alienated the black votes she tried to attract. Come down to ground level Ms Zille!!!

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 21:45

      there is hope after all :)

      Riaan - 2012-04-13 21:51

      Speak for yourself, cretin. Helen Zille is out only hope for the future and not the mickey mouse party you support.

      Kolobe - 2012-04-14 03:57

      racist madam will not run this country,these people must think we fools

      Kolobe - 2012-04-14 09:34

      SarcasticAgnostic you dont get it,there is an economical apartheid already.you dont need laws of apartheid for it to be there, its just there at the highest capital level. the status quo will not remain

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:43

      Kobus I am sure Zille will be lying awake tonight since you so clearly seem to know what is waiting for her. I thought all the Afrikaners joined Kortbroek in his jounrey to the ANC?.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 14:16

      Jacqui "I thought all the Afrikaners joined Kortbroek in his jounrey to the ANC?." we both know that this statement is false.I thought i should bring it to your attention.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-15 07:27

      So ANC is running an apartheid state?

  • Rodent - 2012-04-13 20:27

    Aha, now she got it!

      Riaan - 2012-04-13 21:52

      Go back to your hole, you rodent troll.

  • Given Von Baloyi - 2012-04-13 21:02

    Chicken coming home to roost, didn't the Mein Fuhrer call a black member of her party a Verword-ean no so long ago, oh guess what, that was for having a different opinion to hers

  • Lacrimose - 2012-04-13 21:14

    Words are the weapons of politicians - used to create emotions of fear or hope. If you know your WORLD history, what emotion do you think the use of the word 'fuhrer' was intended to create? A refugee, given sanctum (as many are all over the world) evokes a sense of people moving from despair to hope. What sense does anyone have when fuhrer is used? Supremacism? Fanaticism? Legislated discrimination? See other (newer) articles along the same theme - 3rd force, etc. The ANC are out of ideas. JM got the ball rolling now it's a free-for-all because fear is the only card they have left to play.

      watsongeorgejan - 2012-04-13 22:06

      Come on now Lacrimose, the word \fuhrer\ simply means leader. We might as well say the Germans should desist from speaking their language as it invokes emotions. And the Mellet guy said tha stuff on FB, meaning in his personal capacity. Someone commented that our political landscape is starting to look like a kindergaten and i agree !

      Lacrimose - 2012-04-13 22:33

      @watsongeorgejan - well if that were correct then Germany would still have a fuhrer today. They don't. After Hitler, the word - despite its dictionary definition - had too much negative meaning for even the Germans to ever want to use again. And to invoke your own argument against you, k* is a well-used word in certain well-entrenched religious texts. We do not use it in this country for the very same reasons. It invokes hatred, it invokes fear. No matter what dictionaries and logical appellations one applies to it, in the context of one's history it is a single word the encapsulates much evil. We have many words in the world - why choose such when so many others would suffice?

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:02

      no no Lacrimose you dont understand the meaning of the word fuhrer go look it up . . .*flips to page 2 of DA supporter's manual* it was quoted out of context. . . *page 3* it is ANC propaganda . . . *page 4* Malema . . . *page 5* He didnt refer to her race so why is it hate speech . . . *page 6* the uneducated masses...

  • Rodent - 2012-04-13 21:25

    Come on, i hope nobody will argue that this country was governed by Nazis since NP took over after 2nd WW. The NP was a infiltrated by hundreds of Nazis who fled the Germany after the war (not everybody went to South America). This is what gave the life to ideology of Apartheid. This country before 1996 was just a mild version of what Fuhrer wanted to build in Europe. This is absolute common knowledge worldwide, and that is exactly how most people of the planed looked at Zudafrica for 50 years (1946-1996)

      Bokfan - 2012-04-13 23:09

      And ther I was thinking that rats were quite smart. Yoh. Fail

      Joach - 2012-04-13 23:47

      Rodent, what is Zudafrica? That word is not in the dictionary. What Adolf Hitler wanted is beyond your mental capacity, evil or not. I know my military history. YOU on the other hand should quit TIK.

      Oom - 2012-04-14 01:57

      Nothing what the apartheid government did even came close to the nazis. Ever heard of auswich?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:47

      Rodent, what a lot of nonsense.

  • Adrian - 2012-04-13 21:30

    THAT IS WHY THE WESTERN CAPE IS PULLING AWAY FROM THE REST, THERE IS PROGRESS!!!!!

      Joach - 2012-04-13 23:47

      Not for long. Helen Zille is betraying herself and what she always stood for.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 14:14

      fuhrer is deceaving you if she told you that

  • Christiaan - 2012-04-13 21:35

    Ek wens die Politic,s wil nou n slag begin hande saamvat en ook oor ons armes begin worry!!Net solank hulle mekaar kan bykom en elke maand n vet "SALARIS" verdien....worry hulle niks oor die armes nie???

  • tnmunyai - 2012-04-13 21:36

    DA is behaving like a bellionare baby. It is very spoil.

      spartanx93 - 2012-04-13 21:43

      ????

      Blip - 2012-04-13 22:29

      Ummm... stick to isiXhosa.

      watsongeorgejan - 2012-04-13 23:06

      I'm with you there Blip...Good advise.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:08

      I'm sorry tnmunyai, have you ever heard of the anc.

  • Ayanda Yaya Khumalo - 2012-04-13 21:37

    I will never change my words DA is racist that all they think we are Fool as black they dont have history and No 1 know who start DA where it was born......they will never Rule this country Viva anc Viva

      spartanx93 - 2012-04-13 21:43

      poor little sheep.....

      Irene - 2012-04-13 21:56

      Ayanda ~ I will never change my words you are as stupid as the night is black.

      Polotic - 2012-04-13 22:19

      @Ayanda - Then God help South Africa! You are too blind to see that the racist party is the ANC!

      Jaja - 2012-04-13 23:22

      Could not agree with you more ayanda. Funny how none of these people saw a problem with the word refugee, yet they want us to see something wrong with this word.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:22

      Janine another Goebbels

      Joach - 2012-04-13 23:51

      Indeed she is racist. This is a quote from WikiPedia: "She also worked with the Black Sash and other pro-democracy groups during the 1980's" NOW WE ALL KNOW THAT THE BLACK SASH IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST RACIST ORGANISATIONS EVER. (But it is politically incorrect to say that)

      adam - 2012-04-14 04:17

      Ayanda, grow a brain, and put on your shades, because when the DA take over , the future will be bright.

      pws69 - 2012-04-14 07:23

      Actually, I know for a fact that ALL ANC voters are complete morons. Example, voting ANC and then having a violent service delivery strike against the very same ANC less than a month later is the absolute height of stupidity.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:11

      At Irene. How dare you use 'black' and 'stupid' in the same sentence. Your racist tendencies are causing refugees.

      thurlo.cicero - 2012-04-14 09:00

      Actually Janine, The DA was a temporary party between the DP and NNP when it went into partnership to run the Western Cape. It was never to be a permanent name for the DP. However, the DP is and was an opportunist party who at the time, represented the "Jews" and the white middle class. It always spoke of a "coloured" vote that was unreachable precisely because of what it stood for. Coloured people were deceived in thinking that the DP = DA because their "favourite" party (NNP) was part of it. The DP thrived on having the coloured vote and never went back to its original name of the DP for fear that they might loose these new found coloured votes, which the NNP brought. It was never a party with inclusive policies and perhaps you want to do your own homework regarding the DP. The DA still has many of its old policies in place and will probably never see from it. The coloured people still has that cotton wool pulled over its eyes, not that the ANC is any better.

      Nigel - 2012-04-14 09:06

      Indlovu, baaaaaa!!!!

      Gary - 2012-04-14 09:09

      @pws69 Actually it is not stupidity that drives them to vote for the anc blindly. It is actually racism! Ask anyone at the stone throwing, library/school burning criminal congregations why they still vote and and they will tell you that they cannot vote for the "white party" - "at least the anc will keep the whites out of power" even if they steal everything while they do it. The world focusses on the apartheid racism, but the racism / tribalism entrenched in indigenous Africans is clear for everyone to see Burundi, Nigeria, South Africa. What do you believe is the real reason that Zuma ousted Mbeki - it was the Zulu's turn to feed at the trough - as told to me by a Zulu colleague. Who are the real racists?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:49

      Ayanda and Viva to you too. Now grow up and go play amongst your racist ANC gullibles..

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:51

      Joach, no more sun for you, your brain curdled.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:52

      Hugp, leave Goebbels alone if it was up to him, you wouldn't be alive.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 14:14

      I assume this comment was directed to me "Hugp, leave Goebbels alone if it was up to him, you wouldn't be alive." pray tell more on this

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-13 21:39

    The SA political scene is like a big kindergarten ...

  • HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 21:47

    boohoo

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 14:11

      but I am crying nje?

  • Dan - 2012-04-13 21:49

    Morons try to find fault where there is none and can't see the faults of their own when it is glaring at them! What a bunch of idiots we have in government.

  • Luviwe - 2012-04-13 21:55

    I pity you South Africa, the political discourse is based on race these days leaving behind real crunching issues which are bread and butter for the future like the failing education in most parts of SA, unempoyment, crime,etc.

      Bokfan - 2012-04-13 23:06

      Es waar mpinch. But lets face it when criminals run the country the nation will become delinquent.

      Dee - 2012-04-14 03:12

      Indeed Luviwe! The comments here depress me. Whilst it would be fantastic to have REAL LEADERSHIP and civility rather than the truly divisive 'slanging circus' we are now enduring in the lead up to an election - we can all try elevate our debate as citizens. I see no comments here about e.g. Are senior Home Affairs officials all partisan ... or should they be strictly non-partisan and concerned with service delivery. .... e.g2 - Malema was expelled for insulting name calling of Zuma - yet got away with insulting name calling of other cabinet ministers - as well as Helen Zille. Why so much inconsistency with disciplining him? Will the ANC take a stand on this latest "Mein Furer" thing - and set some REAL LEADERSHIP for the country? Because no matter what the differences are, both ruling party and opposition leaders are to be valued and respected AS PART OF A HEALTHY DEMOCRACY!!!

  • aiazmir - 2012-04-13 21:57

    Mellet get a mallet and pound your head with it. You idiot.

  • djonker1 - 2012-04-13 22:14

    In my opinion, referring to Helen Zille as "mein fuhrer" is a peronal attack, made in the public eye and betrays a racial prejudice in the person who published it. Some times revenge will out you. Did the social refugee remark sting? I bet it did.

      Blip - 2012-04-13 22:31

      Educational refugee, dude. Not social refugee.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:09

      Zille's parents fled persecution in Germany,now thats a refugee

      Jaja - 2012-04-13 23:19

      @djonker. Is that you admitting now that the refugee comment was wrong?

      Joach - 2012-04-13 23:54

      Why don't you just go hold hands with the rainbow djonker1? Wake up lieber freund....

      Polotic - 2012-04-14 16:49

      @Hugo - at least Helen is not crying "Racism!"

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 16:59

      because she is a real refugee,imagine the cogolese asylum seekers screaming racism because they have been called refugees.

  • Rodent - 2012-04-13 22:22

    The racial hatred toward blacks on this site is horrid. Rodent is white but likes the white fascist rule to come to an end here at last.

      deabreu - 2012-04-13 22:31

      The only thing I read here is one racists supporting their racist leaders. Sick.

      Blip - 2012-04-13 22:32

      There IS no "white fascist rule".

      Bokfan - 2012-04-13 22:46

      ratboy go chew a cheese

      Jaja - 2012-04-13 23:16

      Could not agree with you more. These people smile in your face at work, then come here to write all sorts of nasty things about blacks and then they wonder why black people are angry. I have actually started showing some of my friends the comments that are written here and needless to say they are angry and dont trust white people

      Joach - 2012-04-13 23:54

      Rodent=Idiot

      Nigel - 2012-04-14 09:14

      @ rodent, do you have a TV, have you heard what black LEADERS say on public platforms, wake the hell dude!!

      Jacqui - 2012-04-14 11:00

      Rodent, what white facist rule?. I am not aware that I hate anyone. Hell, hate is a muggs game. Give me a break.

      Polotic - 2012-04-14 16:54

      I agree with you Rodent, but then there is so much provacation. By the way, do you know what fascism is? Look it up and you will agree that is what the ANC in government is practising.

  • Rudi - 2012-04-13 22:24

    ...we all know what the Fuhrer did don't we - be careful it might just be repeated!!

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:11

      first they blamed everything on the Jews:Cape town version-blame it on the refugees then they gassed the Jews-Cape version ???

  • Blip - 2012-04-13 22:27

    It certainly IS hatespeech and Patric Mellet ought to be ashamed of his desperation which provoked this. A Facebook comment or Twitter tweet is public dissemination. Drag him off to court asap. Let the law teach him a lesson via his wallet. And then fire him.

      Rodent - 2012-04-13 22:46

      "White fascist rule" is in people's heads here. Rodent does not like ANC at all, they are as corrupt as most people say they are. What Rodent hates is the white supremacist ideology that penetrates most of social structure, private education, sport and business in South Africa.

  • Boy Bana - 2012-04-13 22:28

    i cant beleive the rubbish being spewed by Citizens of the same country. people grow up. get past racial slurs. if u like the DA good for u, if u like ANC good for u. helen grow up. name calling is always in politics. learn to argue valid points like adults. that is if any of you are adults!!!!!!!!!

      Blip - 2012-04-13 22:34

      No, "name-calling" is not in politics. Not in a civilised nation with anti hatespeech laws. This is a proper country, not a backward bush tribe.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:16

      shame on you bokfan

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 09:56

      news 24 deletes my friendly advise to bokfan for repeatedly and flippantly using the K word. my advise stands.Bokfan,you are a shame to yourself and your kind.This country is not moving forward because of the likes of you.You are probably the smelly,bulbous nosed,orange faced,castle lager drinking,wife beating,yellow teethed type that still yearns for the vaderland.not here mister go to orania you sorry excuse of a human.you disgust me.nx

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 14:19

      good, it was deleted.

  • Jacques - 2012-04-13 22:35

    if they start calling her names she must be doing things right!

      Nigel - 2012-04-14 09:12

      yea, the EC education can of worms was so bad, the ANC had to do something, & that something was a smear campaign

  • Cornelius - 2012-04-13 22:36

    It seems DA leadership wants to throw stones alone. When others throw at them they cry foul. I think the \refuge\ comment from Hellen was a moment of lack of wisdom. She opened the flood gets and she must also bear responsibility for the flood damages.

      Bokfan - 2012-04-13 23:00

      Corny, name an instance of DA namecalling. Stop lying you fool. Dishonesty gts us nowhere.

      Jaja - 2012-04-13 23:12

      @bokfan. Zille called julias an inkwekwe, so that counts as namecalling. All of this is getting really pathetic! Grow up helen, if you cant handle the heat then stay out the kitchen. Why are you stalking a.n.c officials, I thought you had a job to do!

      Luviwe - 2012-04-13 23:26

      @Bokfan, why the insult. Yes you might not agree with his opinion, but calling him a fool does not help I think, he is still human with feelings.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:30

      also called some one in her party Verwoedian,then called us professional blacks,then refugees. . . all the recipients of this honorary titles are black,yes.Now tell me if this person is fit to lead a multi racial country?

      Clint Botha - 2012-04-13 23:41

      HugoMabasa: the definition of a refugee is somebody seeking shelter or refuge. I'd say those seeking refuge from the terrible education in the eastern cape fit into that category. Also the last time I checked the term black or professional were not racist terms. Are there white professionals? Absolutely. There are also black professionals. You're looking for a way to blame a woman who has done more for SA than any of the ANC cronies.

      Cornelius - 2012-04-13 23:44

      @Bokfan. Name calling is not the only inappropriate expression. Referring to fellow citizens as refugees is wrong and must be condemned by every responsible citizen. Don't take me wrong l am not saying name calling is right. I call a spade a spade. No political formation is hollier than the other. I refuse to see the DA as the messiah and the ANC as the devil

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:47

      professional blacks and black professional are two different things.Seems the Fuhrer has you by the balls

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:18

      professional blacks abuse "affirmative action" for own gain.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:19

      ps: malema is a spoilt brat

  • Frank - 2012-04-13 22:43

    Listen children, please lets start acting like responsible adults and not spoilt brats. All this to and fro quibbling about semantics is really juvenile and irritating. Who is this Mellet retard? Another ANC "comrade" with no brain? With his political acumen, he should'nt be put in charge of Eastern Cape school toilets. Zille and a lot of other Whities did more to end apartheid than 90% of the plastic "freedom fighters" now languishing in fat-arse ANC government positions. The real scum in the country are now running it!!

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-13 23:07

      "Zille and a lot of other Whities did more to end apartheid than 90% of the plastic "freedom fighters" now languishing in fat-arse ANC government positions." you must be the Goebbels of the Apartheid Devolved party,go tell that to the fuhrer

      Luviwe - 2012-04-13 23:23

      @Frank, an old adage " tell no lies and claim no easy victories " just a question, how many whites that went to the gallows? how many whites that went missing on the hands of state machinery during apartheid?

      Thando - 2012-04-14 01:53

      Yaz Frank wit ths attitude towards blacks u still really gonna b ruled by thm til Jesus comes. U dont respect black ppl @ all, I really feel for tea girl Mazibuko.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:21

      Luviwe has a point there frank.

      Genet - 2012-04-14 13:34

      @Luviwe. How many whites and in particular farmers have been killed since 1994????????

      Luviwe - 2012-04-14 14:22

      Genet I don't know. If you can enlighten me.

      sven.gohre - 2012-04-14 14:49

      @Luviwe, approximately 3000 farmers have been murdered in South Africa in the last 10 years, since 1994, unknown. As to the number of people that were sent to the gallows during Apartheid for terrorism, just over 100. As South Africa was a constituted Republic, those that used terrorism to overthrow the legitimate government, were tried in a court of law and sentenced to the correct punishment for killing innocent women and children with no thought to whether they were Black or White.

      Luviwe - 2012-04-14 15:06

      Peggy I don't us to deviate from the topic at hand and move to another issue of which I'm against it as well. You can not legitimise an illegitimate government. Those were court cases that were not suppose to have taken place for starters, so that was a cover for institutionalised kiling of black people in particular. Hence there was no white freedom fighter that went to the gallows. Let us get this one straight, there is no government sunction that says farmers must be killed. That is a propaganda by organisations like FF,etc to command their support on racial grounds and out of fear. These farm killings are acts of criminality which knows no race. One last question. How many blacks have died during the same period?

      Rodent - 2012-04-14 22:18

      Frank, apartheid was killed by international sanctions, which was in support of black (various parties) struggle, which was not very effective from military point of view, but was run by dedicated people who managed to attract significant support of the western world. Whites were present in these black parties, but to a very small extent and of course all these whites also got fat positions in the government.

  • Bokfan - 2012-04-13 22:45

    Another anc loser about to have his ass handed to him.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:21

      don't count on it.

  • Hans Heydra - 2012-04-13 23:26

    The Star newspaper quoted Mellet as saying his Facebook remarks were made in his personal capacity, and as such, he was constitutionally entitled to his own opinion..... Great now she can sue him for his home, belongings and livelihood in his personal capacity. The statement in its context is indeed hate speech in my opinion.

  • Leon - 2012-04-14 01:13

    HEIL ZILLE !!!!!!

  • Thando - 2012-04-14 01:59

    Mein Führer Helen Zille.........now take me 2 court u rednecks!!

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:27

      thank you for showing us you're a racist.

      Thando - 2012-04-14 12:20

      Me thinks i shud take u to th equality court for tht insightful statemnt..........*all smiles

      Genet - 2012-04-14 13:37

      @Thando. You see calling us rednecks doesn't worry us thando, why should it. Nothing wrong with a red neck.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 14:18

      Besides, blacks can't be racist... *pfft* *snicker*

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-04-14 14:44

      Well said Thando,if u think u can just run other people's lives it means u have a problem.Like i said apartheid is long gone and we blacks are allowed to think for ourselves

      Thando - 2012-04-14 18:13

      So one cnt say viva DA bcoz it was a terrorist term.??........

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 21:00

      And you can't praise the MK Veterans because they were terrorists.

  • Maximus Odinidus - 2012-04-14 02:28

    I would like to point out the the title of mein fuhrer is directly associated with adolf hitler. It was his title. Nobody uses that title because of it's association. Also one's own intention is irrelevant when one makes such a comment in a public space because it is how it is received that makes it hate speech. If 90% of the world connect the fuhrer with A H then you are likening her to him. Be careful who you call motormouth when you so easily back peddle.

  • Johan - 2012-04-14 07:40

    Mellet's logic in divorcing "Mein Fuhrer" from Hitler and assigning it only to PW Botha is mind boggling. Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths. AS FAR AS I am aware Zille has not caused the death of a single person. The same cannot be said of the ANC regardless of how laudable their motives might have been.

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 08:30

      And btw, Nelson Mandela got the nobel peace prize WITH PW Botha. PW didn't agree with the nats, and joined mandela to free this country.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 10:00

      sarcasticwhatever was it not DeKlerk?where are you from?and the thumbs up!

      Leon - 2012-04-14 10:01

      @SarcasticAgnostic LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! History fail dude - FW de Klerk got the nobel peace prize with Madiba *facepalm*

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-14 14:17

      Crap, brainfart. Sorry for subjecting you to my stupidity. It was DeKlerk.

      Clint Botha - 2012-04-14 20:59

      @sarcasticagnostic... PW Botha!? Surely you mean DeKlerk?

      SarcasticAgnostic - 2012-04-15 07:30

      sorry guys, got the PW and the FW mixed in my head. Note to self, stop smoking dagga.

  • Ester - 2012-04-14 08:02

    Jaja,your name says it all.Me Jaja have a 2 cell brain.

  • jeanpierre.gavaironlamaud - 2012-04-14 08:23

    before writing stupid comments search for the meaning of führer! easy try Wikipedia

  • Den - 2012-04-14 08:48

    please excuse the brain farts of anc motormouths, the anc seems to love everybody in the troop jibber jabing away, airing all the dirty laundry and stupid comments

  • Nigel - 2012-04-14 09:09

    The man is 100% ANC, it is very interesting to note how he doesn't object to ANC statements like..1) Kill the Boer, 2) whites are criminals, 3) the ANC is for Blacks & the DA for whites, 4) Zille sleeps with her cabinet 5) there are too many coloreds, 6) the coolies are causing trouble etc etc, or how silent he is on ANC corruption, tender fraud, nepotism, or even the failure of education in the EC, this fool is living in the past, he was an apartheid activist like Zille, but the difference is the Zille is fighting to liberate the country from the NEW APARTHIED, the racist, corrupt ANC that has not only suppressed minorities, but is systematically oppressing the black masses, while enriching themselves. If I was you Mellet, I would HANG MY HEAD IN SHAME, for you have forsaken you country.

      atholl.hay - 2012-04-14 11:22

      A very clear pattern has emerged here: every time someone speaks the TRUTH about the current government, the government and it's supporters react with petty name-calling to divert the focus away from the FACTS, rather than responding directly to the issues raised.

  • Dominique - 2012-04-14 09:19

    DA should not have responded to this.

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-14 10:33

    Patric Taric Mellet. Who is that and don't they have better thinks to do at Home Affairs, like beating up the rows of asylum seekers outside their gate?.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-15 17:06

      that is very xenophobic of you!

  • David - 2012-04-14 12:00

    Who is this Mellet,I think wrongly spelled it should be MULLET.How is this person fit to be in the air now and in the water next,just shows what is running this country.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-15 17:07

      no David IT IS Mellet.

  • Manu - 2012-04-14 12:10

    I looked at this comment and I thought this must be a joke ... and then found out that it is not. Such are the moments when you don't know whether to laugh or to cry. When a person refers to you as being a 'Hitler' they mean that you are dictatorial. Is being refered to as a dictator now hate speech? If anything the when a leader starts to develop a thin it is one of the signs of a dictatorial tendency. But it's rather ironic that only last week we were told that only stupid people are offended by the word 'refugee' because it's dictionary meaning is not offensive, irrespective of the emotions it evokes. Now the same people are throwing their toys out of the cot because of words whose dictionary meaning is 'My leader', and their rationale is that the words evoke the wrong emotions. LOL WOW ho ho ho ...

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-04-14 14:32

      Well said Manu,these people want us to live our lives the way they want us to.They think we are fools,apartheid is long gone and is not coming back.Period

  • Michal Koudelka - 2012-04-14 12:15

    You are what you say whether you are at home or at your office

  • adshade - 2012-04-14 12:20

    I just don't understand how someone can call this woman a racist after her commitment to the Black Sash movement and her role in balanced journalism during the apartheid regime (remember she outed the government's claim that Steve Biko died of a hunger strike in prison). I will not begin to compare the bravery it took black South Africans to participate in the anti-apartheid with that of white South Africans (it's simply unfair and incorrect to), but it certainly took a hell of a lot of courage for whites like Zille to stand up against the regime. She's not my cup of tea, but I have the utmost respect for the woman and can say without the slightest hesitation that she most certainly is not a racist.

      aviweam - 2012-04-15 19:20

      Fully agree with you. Her hatred 4 the ANC is slowly taking down all that she's worked so hard for,if she doesn't watch her tongue she'll just be another used 2 be. Pity coz she has what it takes 2 take this country far

      aviweam - 2012-04-15 19:21

      Fully agree with you. Her hatred 4 the ANC is slowly taking down all that she's worked so hard for,if she doesn't watch her tongue she'll just be another used 2 be. Pity coz she has what it takes 2 take this country far

  • Jerry - 2012-04-14 13:23

    Helen Zille is irrelevant to South African politics. People might not say much about her 'refugee' comment but she should know that she probably lost many votes because of it. She should have just apologized and moved on.

  • Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-04-14 14:25

    Zille also should have disciplinary actions taken against her as Premier for the Eastern Cape pupils' name calling saga if that is the case.

      Mark - 2012-04-14 14:31

      The Cape is full of refugees.

      HugoMabasa - 2012-04-14 15:49

      yes it is,chief among them is the refugee whose grand parents/parents fled persecution in Germany.Then you have the others who fled persecution in france,Germany and other european countries because of their calvinist beliefs.These lot started arriving in the 1870s,some arrived earlier

  • kensong.ben - 2012-04-14 16:03

    Sie esch nicht mein fuhrer ...i used the words#may be grammartically incorrect# in my comment .take me to court aswell .lol

  • Gerardo - 2012-04-14 16:12

    can we please stop looking at the person who says something and not what is said

      Neels - 2012-04-14 16:30

      What???

      Gieljam - 2012-04-14 18:19

      hi Gerardo , that would be like talking to the wind man ,I mean to say this is not as if it was an electronic generated voice it was for real by a person with a limited vocabulary trying to impress somebody and having nothing really to say where by only upsetting the blond. gg

  • Justin Lisa Reeves - 2012-04-14 16:40

    @tankiso @ thando apartheid is gone yes....and everyone is happy about it including me as everyone should be equal.however it is brought up time and time again.get over it .the fact that this country was once a Thriving nation is going to the ruins due to incompetent leadership in the ruling party.they a bunch of thieves and have no respect for the their own skin colour as all they want to do is line the pockets of their buddies and of course their own families etc.our own president is corrupt down to the bone and the hole country knows it.the crux of it all is a downward spiral for you all and it's exactly what for argument sake I want is for you to make your own decisions and think for yourselves because look where it's got you all. No where

      Thando - 2012-04-14 18:07

      In my village i hv electricity, water, sanitation, roads tht r maintained, rural housing.......WTF u on bwt??....ths is post '94

      pkheswa - 2012-04-14 22:44

      Very easy for u to say we must just get over apartheid cos u never experienced it. Funny how u call our president a thief, are u over apartheid yet? Look at yourself before you worry about others. If its the lack of education we black people don have, who's system created that? Don even get me started abt telling us to get over apartheid cos our wounds are still fresh. Nxa ... Nali bhunu bo!

      Brett - 2012-04-15 19:17

      @pekheswa stop fooling yourself. By blaming the lack of education on apartheid just proves that you know nothing about apartheid or the previous government. The national party built ten universities and thousands of schools for blacks. How many have the anc built? NXA.

  • errol.wagner - 2012-04-14 16:40

    D.A. just leave it - the comment says more about the person who made it rather than Helen Zille - remember the old saying, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names cannot hurt me',

  • Gieljam - 2012-04-14 17:00

    I think this is a Storm in a Tea cup issue unknowingly to himself this person was actually giving her a compliment by saying "Mein"(his)if he really new what he was trying to say he should heave said "THE" Fuhrer distancing himself some what and then to think he will justify his case and get some backing also draws in "oom" PW who is long gone and relieved from all this mud slinging signing off..."swinen kartuffelen" what ever that means jors truly gg

  • Lotus - 2012-04-14 23:38

    Oh my word zille has been in power for too long now clearly she's joining to masses.you are loosing focus mam,who is going to kick to anc's butt if you are busy fighting each and everyone who writes nonsense about you?

  • Rodent - 2012-04-15 20:08

    To Bret: These 10 universities were entirely on the fringes, poor quality education and basically falling apart. Their purpose was to release interest in education in black people by training them towards becoming school teachers in black townships. Most of government funding went to white universities, where blacks were not allowed to participate.

      Brett - 2012-04-15 21:07

      Absolute brainwashed nonsense. Medunsa for example turned out hundreds of qualified doctors each year. Did you ever visit any of the campuses? They were in excellent condition. Unlike all of the varsities and colleges which are falling apart today under anc rule.