Minister must take a stand for democracy: DA

2011-07-11 15:29

Cape Town - The Democratic Alliance on Monday challenged acting Co-operative Governance Minister Nathi Mthethwa to tell South Africans whether he supports "ANC calls to make municipalities newly won by the DA ungovernable".

It was also in the public interest that he tell South Africans whether or not he supported the anti-democratic behaviour of ANC councillors in Plettenberg Bay's Bitou Municipality, DA spokesperson James Lorimer said in a statement.

"If he does not support their behaviour then he needs to say so because not condemning it is the same as tacit approval."

Calls to make municipalities won by the DA ungovernable had reportedly been made by the ANC's Southern Cape regional secretary Putco Mapitisa, and former Bitou ANC mayor Lulama Mvimbi, he said.

ANC councillors in Bitou appeared to be taking this call seriously judging by their disruption of council meetings.

Their disruptive behaviour paralysed the council for two weeks and was only ended when the DA obtained a court order forbidding them from continuing to disrupt meetings.

Despite this, ANC councillors continued to refuse to follow instructions given by the speaker at a meeting on Friday, Lorimer said.

"In addition to the poorly behaved ANC councillors, the ANC bussed some 300 supporters to Friday's council meeting.

‘Storm the public gallery’

"They tried to storm the already-full public gallery and broke down the council chamber doors."

In his capacity as police minister, Mthethwa should also explain why police failed to act on calls for help to control the crowd.

"He needs to answer whether police will continue to refuse to act against lawbreaking members of the ANC," Lorimer said.

Even President Jacob Zuma saw fit to highlight the importance of respecting the rules while addressing the Third Access to Justice Conference in Pretoria last week.

In particular, he emphasised how all levels of government should respect the rule of law and accept democratic processes, which included the outcome of elections.

"If the ANC does not condemn this behaviour and move to reverse it, then the implications will be grave for the future of our democracy.

"Democracy can only work if ruling parties accept being voted out of power."

It was time the ANC exercised political control over its unruly councillors.

Failure to do so would indicate that Luthuli House only believed in democracy if it produced an ANC victory and were prepared to act illegally if elections produced any other result, Lorimer said.

  • willieman - 2011-07-11 15:35

    We fought for democracy in this country,if some memebers of the ruling party do not understand this concept then they should be taught a lesson by been fired.This kind of behaviour is too dangerous.You loose elections go back and work hard so that next time you can perform better.Areest this people and charge them for threating the rule of law

      Shees - 2011-07-11 16:06

      Agreed. In any other industry, if you are not doing your job, you will get fired. Why should this be any different? and to make it worse, they are not just not doing their own jobs, they are preventing other peoplo from doing theres!!! they are like children.. and need to be diciplined.

      mike - 2011-07-11 16:12

      what can you expect from a standard 3 education. They cannot even spell democracy, so how the hell can they understand it. Where in the world can you see things like this happening (sorry in Africa)

      Dominic - 2011-07-11 16:16

      The ANC is a collection of people who fought for democracy merely as a means to power. I think the members of the ruling party understand democracy only within that context.

      The Wonderer - 2011-07-11 17:22

      Putco Mapitisa, Lulama Mvimbi & who else?? We need those names, time to name & shame them!! I've had ENOUGH of this sh&t!!! Time to move along now! A CORRUPT government that can't control its people, time to take action & take it now. ENOUGH is ENOUGH!!

  • Steveribs - 2011-07-11 15:36

    The spineless bunch of cANCer sufferers will never respect the rules of democracy or the rule of law. Sad but true.

  • Shadoz - 2011-07-11 15:39

    You know it seems the ANC is being run by a bunch of children as these tactics are very childish. ANC wait prettyu soon you gonna loose power completely in the Western Cape we don't want you and your kind here so it will be best you accept your loss and move on. The ANC stands for everything that is wrong

  • Born To Fish - 2011-07-11 15:41

    Oh they are starting to look more and more like ZANUPF. They are hell bent to lower South Africa's standards to all other African Nations.

  • FRpower - 2011-07-11 15:45

    It does'nt surprise me that ANC supporters behave like savages.

      PieterWolf - 2011-07-11 16:17

      Savages behave like ANC members?

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-07-11 16:58

      Redundant statements are redundant.

  • Thembisile - 2011-07-11 15:46

    This is a shame on the ruling party. This is a clear demostration that power corrupts.

      Realist72 - 2011-07-11 16:08

      So, you think power corrupted them ? They where corrupt loooong before they came to power.

      Steen - 2011-07-11 16:16

      @Realist72 just like your Forefathers during the apartheid era.

      Stryder - 2011-07-11 16:25

      @Steen-Yes and they are no longer in power. Seriously are you justifying this behaviour?

  • R013 - 2011-07-11 15:52

    The ANC is an absolute joke, it's so embarassing that they're actually running the country!

      Shees - 2011-07-11 16:07

      soo true :(

      paulf - 2011-07-12 06:41

      The former British prime minister, Margaret Thatcher, once commented that whoever thought that the ANC could rule SA was living in Cloud Cuckoo Land. Why was Thatcher right? In the 17 years of ANC rule, all the symptoms of a government out of its depth have grown worse.

      daaivark - 2011-07-12 09:03

      paulf.... stop quoting the "former British Prime Minister", please. She is history and her "contribution" to world politics is questionable at best.

  • RIMRIM - 2011-07-11 15:54

    In the unlikely event that the ANC did happen to lose a national election in the near future the die hard ANC supporters would simply riot, destroy everything and make the country ungovernable. Top ranking ANC officials have committed so many crimes and defrauded the state of billions. They will all end up in jail if the DA or any other party takes power. The sad fact is that South Africa is not a true democracy and the ANC will cling onto power just like Bob next door.

      R013 - 2011-07-11 15:58

      The ANC will be an even greater threat to democracy if they're not in power, so hopefully they will all end up in prison.

  • za101 - 2011-07-11 15:54

    This is very undemocratic. The ANC as a collective need to respect the wishes of the people

      willieman - 2011-07-11 16:01

      This "collective concept" is the problem all it means is the ruling party tolerate this puke from certain members of ANC

  • Schalk - 2011-07-11 15:55

    O my... Just imagine what will happen if the ANC eventually loses a national election. Let us hope and pray that by that time they actually understand the concept of democracy.

  • FRpower - 2011-07-11 15:57

    Its like taking a baby's rattle away the ANC throw their toys out the cot. Idiots!

  • CamelJoe - 2011-07-11 15:58

    They follow their leaders like a bunch of sheep. Really pathetic. Police should intervene and no rubber bullets

      Gibbonater - 2011-07-12 09:02

      The police answer to Luthuli house so dream on.

  • Kevin King - 2011-07-11 16:06

    COWARDS!!! Just like the cowardly idiots who spew their racist remarks on selected stories only.

      willieman - 2011-07-11 16:15


  • Tim Gaul - 2011-07-11 16:08

    Shame on you! Walter and Albertina must be turning in the graves. The ANC of Thambo and Govan Mbeki is dead.

  • - 2011-07-11 16:10

    They hate been shown up as usless thugs, when ANC rules most of SA and when checked failed most munciples yet alone the people DA only has a view and most passed percentage wise totaly out preformed the leading party. they cant afford this as people are beginning to realise change is needed if they want delivery.

  • Karools Poepjager - 2011-07-11 16:15

    The ANC will never relinquish power - even if another party wins fair and square. Things are going to get real bad, real soon.

  • Realist72 - 2011-07-11 16:16

    When the ANC wins, they scream democracy..democracy hoary and the opposition should accept defeat... but when they lose ... oh boy, then it's all kinds of crap threats and excuses. But then again, what can we expect from a bunch of illiterate, lying, lazy, good-for-nothing, money grubbing, power-hungry jack holes ?

  • Other Justin - 2011-07-11 16:16

    Animals, that is all I can say. All they do is burn things, break things and kill things, NEVER build things..........Zimbabwe is starting to look like a model of democracy compared to this cANCer riddled country. VIVA AMAUSELESS VIVA!

  • Stryder - 2011-07-11 16:18

    We all new this. All us negative whiners said all along that the true test of the ANC would be when they lose elections. Not only that we predicted that exactly this would happen. The ANC are only interested in democracy when it means they have power. Just like they were anti-racism only when they were at the short end of the stick.

  • apie - 2011-07-11 16:19

    DA until you fire Trollip for his racist comments about Afrikaners, you have no credibility. The anc and da are exactly the same.

      jason nevins - 2011-07-12 06:14

      Stop whining apie - Trollip could have been more diplomatic about his comments but I cannot really see anything else wrong with what he said and I am an Afrikaaner - though one who knows form one that Afrikaaners are more often than not backwards and racist and secondly that what he said really is not aimed at me - I would much rather prefer someone in charge that strongly opposes right wing racists like the FF+ (Who really are just like than ANC) than not.

  • Other Justin - 2011-07-11 16:20

    It is over, the dream has become a nightmare, the rainbow nation is dead. All that is left for us is fight or flight.......And I am not leaving my country.

      PieterWolf - 2011-07-11 16:24

      I have never seen white or black in any rainbow, have you??????????

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-07-11 16:22

    The ANC knows nothing about democracy and there is fear in the camp at Plett' by those leaving the power situation in the municipality. It means opening the books for audit, to see where all the funds went and watching the DA make a success of service delivery. As a result of the ANC's actions (e.g) disruption and threats the DA mayor is having to wear a bullet proof vest and retain a bodyguard. The ANC are a disgrace, still behaving like the thugs they've always been in this sort of situation. Violence, disruption, intimidation the whole nine yards. Minister you ought to be ashamed, but that is probably too much to expect.

  • info - 2011-07-11 16:22

    The ANC cannot face defeat by the DA - they will resort to any measures to try to render the DA ineffective. ANC - we all know your propensity to destroy - we want to see something constructive come from our tax money. Not more gansterism and thuggery!

  • jakkals - 2011-07-11 16:26

    He doesn't need to worry about the DA's municipalities being ungovernable, the ANC will soon see their arses in their own municipalities with service delivery strikes.

  • mike - 2011-07-11 16:33

    look at these striking workers today. they are so stupid - no work - no pay but the big wigs in the unions still get there money at the end of the month. MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO. If they get there increase it will take about 2 years to get back there money they lost due to no work no pay - the idiots

  • bushpioneer - 2011-07-11 16:35

    I have to agree with mike, except for one thing. I think you are over shooting the standard 3 thing. I am sure they did not make it that far!

  • BigMoose - 2011-07-11 16:41

    Rubber bullets and teargas.

      Peter - 2011-07-11 16:49


  • kongo - 2011-07-11 16:44

    It is our democratic right to disrupt the meetings of the evil white imperialists. We will never again let them rule this country and take away our freedom. Us free-thinking peoples will rule until Jesus comes and soon all your farmland are belong to us.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-07-11 16:51

      haha , you do realise Shaka was an imperialist

      Andy - 2011-07-11 17:00

      Free thinking people don't regurgitate everything that's said to them by other in power. If you really are free thinking you should trying thinking for yourself.

      kongo - 2011-07-11 17:06

      Andy but funnily enough you say this same things your entire race does. Please do us all a favour and start your swim to Australia.

      Andy - 2011-07-11 17:30

      1. Where did I mention race? 2. What exactly have I said that others have said? 3. I can swim 4. I have already left and I can honestly say its nice not having living in fear, it really is.

      Andy - 2011-07-11 17:35

      And furhter more, can't you see what's happening in this country? Do you honestly think SA will not go the way of other failed african states? There's a brilliant study you should read about african run countries, the problem is you will just disregard it because you can't stand the truth. Africa's can never take accountability for anything, its always someone elses fault. If your interested then i'll post the link but be warned it will seem racist to you, but the truth always is.

      E.Nuff - 2011-07-11 17:50

      kongo - what a loser! Calling yourself free-thinking doesn't make you any less than one of the herd mentality that thinks you have any right, democratic or otherwise to disrupt council meetings. Your post shows that the true racist here is you. You are a disgusting excuse for a human being. You bring the nation and it's people into disrepute.

      Ogre - 2011-07-11 18:35

      "It is our democratic right to disrupt the meetings of the evil white imperialists." Please go and read again what the real meaning of democratic is. Every and all persons have the right to associate with others in a peacefull environment and it is illegal of you to prevent them from doing this, as stated by law and the constitution, or do you also make up the rules as you go along? The only person that can take away your freedom in the open society of today is yourself. It sounds like you have imprisoned yourself in a cell composed of self pity, self indignation and "free thinking" parrotism. Get some backbone and self respect, never mind pride, in thinking for yourself, working for yourself and what you want or creating something out of nothing like so many others did and still do. After the second Boer war the Afrikaner had lost everything. Their crops, houses and farms had been burnt to the ground, they had no money or infrastructure to speak of, but they stood up and rebuilt themselves. They did not ask for restitution, land redistribution or hand outs. They got uo and carried on. Just a pity it ended up in apartheid.

  • willieman - 2011-07-11 16:49

    @Mike -the difference between progresive countries and some of our fellow brothers in the continent is the rule of democratic constitution and it's respect by every citizen from the number one man to ordinary Joe

  • nem - 2011-07-11 17:00

    I think its time to start building the fence around the Western cape and declaring it independent in its own autonomy or country. For those of any colour who want true democracy and freedom.

      nem - 2011-07-11 17:03

      TIA = This is Africa,,,watch the Rand take a dive

  • Hopeforall - 2011-07-11 17:05

    Dear Mr Lorimer, how do you suppose the unruly would take control over the unruly? Minister Mtwethwa is the same one who (as reported in news24 today) declared that South Africa should 'not be ruled by criminals', but yet fails to see the absolute irony of such a statement. On the one hand he exhorts us not to support 'criminals' by buying their bloodied bounty, but on the other, as policeman supremo, he is himself found to be damningly complicit in far more grave criminal activity happening right under his nose. Instead of ordering the arrest of his chief of police, who not only has been exposed as corrupt, but who now embarks on an intimidation campaign of the organs of state whose very function is to work together with him to expose criminal activity, he lends his support to an attack on the sanctity of the Public Protecter's office. By implication, he declares himself to be one of those by whom we should not be 'ruled'. He declares himself to be a member of the cabal that has 'hijacked' South Africa, and hold it's citizens hostage, through their criminal activity. The outcome of their ever appearing in an open court to face the myraid of corruption and affiliated charges is clear, and so clinging to power at any cost is their absolute. What do you suppose Mr Mthethwa's response to your call will be thus, Mr Lorimer? The answer is you won't get one, but thanks for bringing this matter to our attention, none the less.

      kongo - 2011-07-11 17:10

      Please stop this long, boring comments. It is quite simple really. The ANC is in charge and we can do what we want to. Never again will the evil DA and its white puppet masters have a say in the doings of this country. All your farmlands and mines are belong to us and there is nothing you can do about it, you guys are thieves and will be treated as such.

  • Jabulaniboy - 2011-07-12 01:56

    The day the ANC looses a national election and their power...there will be civil war in south Africa again. The ANC cannot even spell DE-MOC-RACY as you need at least gr2 to do that.

  • scarface - 2011-07-12 08:49

    But why call the police when the bosses of the police are cadres...

  • Gibbonater - 2011-07-12 09:01

    Why the hell are we still paying our rates and taxes to these half wit savages. Get the ratepayers to declare a dispute and pay your rates into a trust account. Stop employing garden boys and maids and let them go to the anc for jobs and handouts. Stop paying the half pissed car gaurd who pretends to look after your car. This is a party run by thugs and scum and do not know the meaning of the word democracy unless it is in the mould of Cuba or North Korea.

  • Tommy - 2011-07-18 15:22

    How long do we stand for this pathetic crap? Soot the bastards and let's get on with it!

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