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Minister wants top speed limit cut

2011-09-20 22:52

Johannesburg - Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele is to ask Cabinet to reduce the top speed limit from 120km/h to 100km/h.

"There are increasing calls and signs that something drastic needs to be done to arrest the current situation," Ndebele said in a statement on Tuesday.

"Studies conducted in other countries such as Australia where the speed limit is 110 km/h indicate that a reduction in speed limit can save lives."

Earlier in the day, Ndebele visited an accident scene on the N2, between Empangeni and Mtubatuba, where 10 people were killed in a crash involving a minibus taxi.

Ndebele said 126 people had been killed in the past two months in accidents involving public transport.

"This unnecessary loss of lives on a daily basis calls for a serious review of the current status quo. We cannot afford to have the situation continue like this," he said.

Comments
  • RVQ - 2011-09-20 23:03

    How about you look at the source of the problem and sort out the Taxi's and Buses?

      thinker - 2011-09-20 23:15

      While you at it the pot hole as well

      Harvey - 2011-09-20 23:48

      Speed Kills, driving slower just maims.

      Coconut - 2011-09-21 00:29

      A person with a normal IQ would easily recognize that the problem lies with taxis drivers and not the speed limit. There seems to be a bottomless pit of incompetents in the ANC regime and it just boggles the mind. Can the Honorable Minister, Sibusiso Ndebele, really not see the source of the problem?

      jordmavis - 2011-09-21 03:33

      Not only taxi and bus drivers are at fault. Most SA's today have atrocious driving habits with an almost total disregard speed limits and other traffic rules

      BigD - 2011-09-21 04:41

      Would the minister please explain to me how dropping the speed limit to 100km/h have stopped this accident. The vehicle/driver would just ignor the rules and the accident would have happened anyway.

      Dave50 - 2011-09-21 05:30

      The problem is not the speed limits it is the people who's job it is to apply the traffic laws. If this was done correctly and without bias we would reduce accidents by more than half. Taxis that pass through road blocks in obvious bad condition just pay a spot admission of guilt cash and stay on the road. No matter what laws you have if corruption walks hand in hand with the officials that apply them you will never get it right.

      Lyndatjie - 2011-09-21 06:20

      Can't they separate the damn stats? Surely the amount of people killed by Taxis and Busses driving like Michael Shumacher could be separated. Travelling 120km on the freeway is ALREADY bloody rediculous. Why don't they check the stats on how many people die from frustration and hypertension getting stuck behind the slow f*ck*ers on the highways. Argh... this is NOT a nice way to start my day.... :(

      C_S - 2011-09-21 06:33

      The problem is not the speed limit. A general dis-obedience to the law is the main cause. This is becuase the death penalty is taken away - which caused a knock-on effect. Prisons are overflowing, so the less serious crimes gets overlooked. Incompetent police officers (a cause of BEE) also contributed to the overall lack of respect for the law. Bring back corporal punishment for less serious offences, and you will see, the roads will become more safe.

      Mixyez - 2011-09-21 07:02

      Other than speed, is the problem of incompetence. I travel almost every day into Cape Town on the N1 and the road is full of unconfident, incompotent drivers who do not have a clue on how to drive. The other issue is that we cars on the road today that even at the entry level are better equipped to drive faster and stop quicker than a few years ago. It is as the author says, taxi's and busses, many (most) of which are not 100% road worthy.

      Ouman - 2011-09-21 07:09

      I would like to know how many taxi's are caught doing over 100 KPH on our national roads, if I drive at 110 KPH they all shoot past me.

      AirAction - 2011-09-21 07:12

      Yesterday had 2 taxi,s not stop at a stop street in front of me. Saw 1 jump a red robot and 2 overtake on a double white line around a blind corner. THAT;s YOUR PROBLEM.

      Hux - 2011-09-21 07:20

      Again I will bring this up. How come no taxi drivers wear glasses?Statistically at least 25% need glasses as they cant see. This is a much bigger problem than speed. Add this to stupid drivers and we are buggered.

      Roamer - 2011-09-21 07:22

      Yes, and all that needs to be done is enforce the current legislation! Rediculous to think by reducing the current maximum speed limit is going to solve the problem. The problem is that the only true enforcement involves speed which has become an easy income for the various authorities.

      BoB - 2011-09-21 07:33

      and all the incompetant drivers who bought licences, don`t know what this minister smokes!

      Rolie - 2011-09-21 07:36

      HERE IS THE PROBLEM. THERE IS VERY LITTLE VISIBLE POLICING GOING ON. MORALLY MOST OF THE POLICE DON'T GIVE A DAMN WHAT GOES ON OUT THERE. ALL THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THEIR SALARIES AND BRIBES AND DOING AS LITTLE WORK AS POSSIBLE AND THIS IS BECAUSE THEIR SUPERIORS HAVEN'T A CLUE ON HOW TO MANAGE A POLICE FORCE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

      McDaNife - 2011-09-21 07:48

      Wtf you need to educate the taxi drivers, it is not speeding that is killing the passengers its the recklessness and the ignorance of the the driving rules. Now you are encouraging people to fly in your new airways, eish.

      So What? - 2011-09-21 08:05

      Um harvey, it is not the speed that kills, it is the sudden stop that does. Taxis and public transport vehicles are already limited to 100 kph, so what is the aim of now implementing for everyone? I have yet to see a taxi tavelling at 100 kph or less - unless he is overloaded, battling up a hill and in the right hand lane trying to overtake another taxi in the left lane travelling at o,5 kph slower than he is. They normally zip past me when I am travelling at 120kph. Even big buses at times come flying past in excess of 120kph at times. So, if the law is ignored now by the taxi industry, what makes our learned minister so sure they will now travel at 100kph? Maybe, just maybe, if they were more strict in applying the road rules to everyone, especially the ones that one reads of being involved in collisions often (read taxis and buses), then I am sure the death rate will drop. How many of these taxis are roadworthy for a start?

      Shivaskar - 2011-09-21 08:06

      He's taking his cut from the taxi association. He won't want to jeopardise this by placing the blame of accidents on taxis. Instead rather lower the speed limit, thereby creating the need to change signboards, put in more cameras and consequently then his thieving buddies can get some business out of it. Just like the power station to be built in Limpopo (Millions involved, not viable by experts, Malema in charge of tenders, his buddies from there....you get the picture).

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-21 08:14

      It's NOT the SPEED that kills.... IT IS THE SUDDEN STOP, THAT RIPS THE ORGANS APART INSIDE THE BODY, THAT KILLS!!! Human body CANNOT handle the 120-0km/h in 0,1 seconds!

      haveyoursay - 2011-09-21 08:16

      agree

      aarchaic - 2011-09-21 08:25

      Wonder if the black car blue light squad will be kept to this?

      AllHoliday - 2011-09-21 10:16

      Agree with you fully, RVQ. If they want to compare us with the rest of the world, they should do it wholy an not selectively. In this case lets take Australia with their speed limit of 110 km/h, now compare the condition of the roads, public transport, crime rate, corruption, etc. Then start implementing and enforcing this from the top, start with state vehicles. Then you implement this on taxis and busses, especially because they are a public transporter and get paid for their services. The most wreckless drivers on the road are the drivers from state cars and taxi drivers, why should the public be victomised? There are hundreds of illegal, unroadworthy taxis out there, but the government are to scared to do anything about it because then they will strike and burn tires etc. Nice!! So they ignore the real problem and victomise the tax paying law abiding citizens!

      Mikea - 2011-09-21 10:25

      Total disregard for Red lights and Yellow Lanes. Te problem is a lot of these transgressions are being copied by normal Citizens now. TAXI DRIVERS must all be colour blind. IDIOTS. Wake up MINISTER.

      ratex - 2011-09-21 10:29

      The facts are this: 80% of all accidents occur at under 60kph and within 5km's of your house. Dropping the speed limit to 100 will not have any effect on accidents. Less than 10% of the country actually drive in the 120kph zones, most traffic is in CBD type areas or sububrs. The solution is to impound unroadworthy vehicles just like they do in the UK. Make vehicles go through a yearly MOT type test. Taxi drivers must redo their public transport licence every year. Target the actual criminals and not the soft targets. Get off of your lazy arses and actually do some constructive policing, not the typical "lets generate a revenue stream". Lastly get rid of corruption in your own departments. The modern driver has very little regard or respect for other road users, its like they are so dead set on protecting their 4m2 of tar. You see this every day, driving in the emergency lane, not using indicators, not stopping at stop streets, accelerating to get through the amber robots etc etc etc.

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-21 10:42

      Another brainless outburst by the "ministuh" How about you cut your salary and fix the damn roads!!!!!

      letsee - 2011-09-21 10:43

      The only safe sprrd limit is o Km/H and the other is getting drivers to drive within the law. But then, the ANC is famous for doing the irrelevant mainly creating laws to show that its at work.

      Lancet - 2011-09-21 11:23

      Please Minister, wake up!!! The speed limit is NOT the problem. There are thousands of unlicensed drivers and unroadworthy vehicles on our roads, combined with a total disregard for traffic regulations. Metro police do nothing to curb moving violations - they specialise in photography and parking offences. Do you really think that lowering the speed limit will have an effect on lawless drivers? Once again the obedient drivers are being punished and it will now take you 9 hours to drive from Pretoria to Durban. Of course the Minister doesn't care - his transport, the blue light brigade, does not care about speed limits.

      grod - 2011-09-21 11:36

      Why then is the lower speed limit of 100km/h on taxis never enforced and how come I can get fined for not wearing a seatbelt while they dont even have any?? Sorry Sbu - you're looking in the wrong direction.. again!

      JH - 2011-09-21 11:40

      You are so right, the problem is not the speed limit, but the ARROGANT HOOLIGAN TAXI DRIVERS. Majority of truck and bus drivers start to become just like their taxi driver brothers. Just no respect for speed and traffic laws, also they do not care about the other road users.They will cut you off and laugh at you.

      victorp - 2011-09-21 11:51

      Blacks

      victorp - 2011-09-21 11:51

      Go 40 kph

      victorp - 2011-09-21 11:52

      U turn when they like

      victorp - 2011-09-21 11:52

      Stop where they like

      victorp - 2011-09-21 11:53

      Can never make their mind up

      Mucaine - 2011-09-21 14:02

      The slower you drive long distance, the bigger the chances are of you falling asleep behind the wheel. No, the real reason for the speed reduction is money. Most drivers are now driving within the 120km/h limit and the Traffic Dept is losing out. It will take some time for drivers to adjust to 110km/h and the money will be rolling into the Traffic Dept coffers again.

      victorp - 2011-09-21 15:20

      Oh and have zero powers of logical deduction.

      cuz - 2011-09-22 10:05

      Pssssst: wanna buy a driver's license? Millions of SA motorists are driving SA roads with illegally obtained driver's licences. Half of all S.A. drivers are using illegal driver’s licenses ... 50 percent of driver's licences in SA were invalid due to large-scale licence fraud.

      OldSA - 2011-09-23 07:33

      I wonder if this will also apply to her and her blue light brigates. She is an idiote, she can't drive fast because she can't think or read fast.

  • GTA_Lad - 2011-09-20 23:04

    Will your taxis obey it Sbu? This oke is thicker than thick

      Ace - 2011-09-21 06:26

      Cars have evolved since the 120 km/h speed limit was implemented back in the 1960's. At 140-150km/h my car runs at 3500-4000rpm and then my car is most fuel efficient. I've had to use my ABS once or twice because of idiots doing 80km/h in the "fast" lane, but my car goes from 140-0km/h in less than 3 seconds. Even the new 2012 "small" cars sold for between R100,000.00 and R150,000.00 can stop within 4 seconds if their doing 120km/h. Some people are going to say but yes it's the people driving the vehicles who cause the problem because of reaction time. Well then they should stay out of the fast lane or even better....they shouldn't drive on the hi-ways at all.

      NuttyZA - 2011-09-21 06:53

      Ace, I agree except to say, the speed limit was only raised to 120km/h in the 1980's before that it was 100km/h ..

      tailormade - 2011-09-21 06:55

      Ace, There is no such thing as the "fast lane"....this is not Germany. the speed limit is the speed limit.

      Roamer - 2011-09-21 07:24

      NuttyZA. Maybe you were somewhere else before the 1980s! The maximum speed limit was never only 100 km/hr. The only time it was lowered was during the fuel crisis of the early 1970s.

      Shumba - 2011-09-21 07:30

      Ace, dont be an idiot, not even a ferrari can go from 140-0 in less than 3sec mate. and most fuel efficient between 140 and 150? dont kid yourself..

      Peter Potgieter - 2011-09-21 07:44

      It is not always the taxi drivers that cause accidents you people are all going on about the taxis and buses yes taxi drivers can't drive, they have bumper bashed me a few times, however i have seen serious and horrific accidents of which you only see cars involved no signs of taxis or buses...stop blaming the taxi drivers always

      So What? - 2011-09-21 07:55

      Ace old chap, there is no such thing as the fast lane. All lanes have the same speed limit as indicated. The problem is that most drivers do not keep to the left lane and use the right or middle lane for overtaking only. Do this and see how well the traffic flows. I often travel faster in the left hand lane as all the cars are bundled up in the middle and right hand lanes, flashing lights, building up frustration and getting ready for a heart attack (or road rage).

      Blougroen - 2011-09-21 07:59

      And will you give back our tax money used to design roads and highways to be safe at 160 km/hour ? ? ? @$#&^%$ nanny state that can only cater for the lowest common denominator !!!!!!!!

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-21 08:18

      Shumba... my V6 Merc does 9,9l/100kms at the speed of 120km/h.... if I drive at 140 km/h, it does 8,1l/100kms.... Get YOUR facts right before you post!

      Colby - 2011-09-21 08:34

      @ Roamer. Get your facts right before you show yourself up. I arrived in 1981 and the speed limit had just been raised from 90 to 100. Petrol stations closed at night, and from Saturday lunchtime till Monday at 8. It was illegal to carry petrol in a jerry can in the boot for a long journey, and if you went ove the limit you were charged with "Using petrol to propel a vehicle at a speed greater than 100kph" This was changed (I think) around 1983.....but hey it may have been different in your part of South Africa. Back to the real problem. Incompetent drivers will remain incompetent drivers no matter what the rules, and when you have groups of people who perceive breaking the rules to be their right, then nothing will help. Get rid of unroadworthy vehicles, crush taxis and buses when their drivers transgress, shoot the bastards when they block roads and try to intimidate because they are "Victimised by traffic police" and then we may have some hope of returning to a normal society.

      Ricksta - 2011-09-21 08:44

      @tailormade - yes this is not Germany with the Autobahn, but we do have a rule which most South Africans are not aware of which leads to congestion, frustration and accidents. The rule which you may not know is "Keep left pass right". You should only use the right hand lane if you are overtaking another vehicle and immediately go back to the left lane after you've done so. @Ace - although I agree with what you are trying to say, I somehow doubt that your vehicle will go from 140-0 in less than 3 seconds. I can believe it though if you're doing 100km/h. At 140km/h you're travelling at almost 39 metres per second, at 100km/h you're travelling at 27m/second. If your reaction time is 1 second, the difference in speeds equates to 12 metres, throw in the time it takes a vehicle to stop at the higher speed and you're talking a difference in distance of 20m at least. That could be the difference between having a collision and avoiding it, or life and death. I do however agree that a loaded taxi or a heavy vehicle such as a bus at 100km/h is far more dangerous than a modern car at 140km/h. This is where the authorities should be investing their time in policing. In Europe any driver of a vehicle above 3500t caught at speeds higher than 80km/h, receives a very hefty fine if not imprisonment. In our country nothing gets done, hence the number of accidents involving heavy vehicles and taxis.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 09:24

      Cars have evolved but not the average uneducated pedestrian....who runs and jaywalks around them.

      pierreedge - 2011-09-21 11:40

      And will the anc cadres obey it also? from memory i remember winnie's driver caught doing 150 i think, some mec of this or that doing over 200 and some othe anc guy forgot his name doing 180... Anyway, another simplistic solution in a reactive mode that is totally ridiculous to a more intricate problem. why not proposing to put speed bumps on the highway while at it, or traffic lights or something as ridiculous talking of speed bumps, am getting sick and tired of seeing them florish in all malls, parkings places, complexes etc, this is messing up our cars, suspension for absolutely no benefit. but i guess the bumps salesman are smiling and flog the damn thing like hot cakes

      victorp - 2011-09-21 12:04

      The 100km/h speed limit was a fuel saving measure for the 70's oil chrisis, before that if my memory seres me it was free for all. Most cars top speed was 130 any how.

      G-spotWizard - 2011-09-21 12:22

      Another proof that All ANC ministers think alike. This is like prescribing garlic, carrots & vegetables to solve the AIDS problem. This minister does not understand that what works in Australia will not necessarily work here. Conduct the bloody survey here and then let's work on that basis. Do you need to be reminded that the proportion of lawless citizens is much Higher here than in Australia? We get stuck in highway traffic due to congestion and now you want to reduce the speed limit to make things worse. By the way, you travel in a blue light convoy so you don't feel the pain of being stuck in traffic. Get a life Sbu and think straight.

      cuz - 2011-09-22 11:07

      In South Africa, there are buses. And, there are taxis. But you need to note that when you use either of these it might be the last thing you ever do. Minibus taxi drivers have long since been notorious in South Africa. Most minibus taxis drive at high speed like the devil himself. Buses are the same. Depending on which bus driver you land up with, most of the ones I come across drive like they stole the bus. Car accidents in South Africa are as common as snow in Russia. Everyone knows someone who’s been in an accident – if they weren’t in one themself. It’s strange how we just put up with it really?? Its strange how people get arrested for not paying parking tickets, but bus drivers and taxi driver get to endanger thousands of people’s lives each day – without any penalization. I have never seen the Metro police give a ticket to a taxi or a bus driver. Maybe I’m just never in the right place. The Metro police don’t intervene because … uuh ... mm I don’t know why?… You're much more likely to die on the road especially when Arrive Alive and the rest of the nanny-state crew can't be bothered to make a big deal of it. Too little (if any) law and order has left the public transport sector in chaos which in turn has resulted in minibus taxi drivers having little respect for their vehicles, the safety of their passengers and no respect for other vehicles sharing the roads with them.

      moreso - 2011-09-22 14:50

      @Ace, 3 seconds is much longer than you think in such a situation

  • anton frank - 2011-09-20 23:04

    urrrm, the speed limit for taxis is 100km/h already isnt it? How can they blame the speed limit of 120km/h the for these accidents?

      thinker - 2011-09-20 23:20

      Good question, so with 60km/h as urban speed there is no accidents, right??

      OZNOB - 2011-09-20 23:34

      WELL MR ANTON FRANK the speed limit for busses is 100kmh though nany can an do go faster and then there is the incident a while ago of an overloaded truck got initially stopped for speeding and the driver beat up the female traffic officer

      Ex-employer - 2011-09-21 00:44

      The speed limit is 120 km/h on the books.

      tailormade - 2011-09-21 06:56

      The speed limit for public transport vehicles is 100

      DEVILS SON - 2011-09-21 10:31

      my last crash was at 40kmph, because some pillik driver skipped a stop. reducing the limit will only increase metro police profit....because they are impotent when it comes to enforcing any traffic laws

      pierreedge - 2011-09-21 13:57

      Yes Anton that's correct, but again, if the taxi overtook unsafely and faced a head on collision, driving at 100 or even 70, some passengers are going to die. Maybe a more adequate action from the minister would have been to implement specific certifications for drivers in the public transport industry, but that cost money, takes time and is a lot of work, more easy and populist to drop the speed limit...

  • Fanie - 2011-09-20 23:04

    most accident's happen at low speed, or due to badly maintained cars - dropping the speed limit will solve nothing

      MikeLearview - 2011-09-21 01:00

      No, Fanie, I don't think that is quite right. In my opinion, most road accidents in South Africa are due to driver error.

      Liberty - 2011-09-21 02:36

      no it's due to incompetent and irresponsible driving.

      Peter Potgieter - 2011-09-21 07:47

      I have dropped my speed limit and i follow at a safe following direction, by doing this i have more time to react to an arrogant selfish driver that wants to show off his merc or bmw or whatever..... if i am on a road that is 60km's i will not drive more than 60 and if some idiot wants to drive at 80 or something that is his problem, but i will not increase my speed to satisfy that person and most times i drive slower just to teach them a lesson... Lol they get angry... if they late for work, then they must leave earlier so that they don't break the road laws

      Pandora - 2011-09-21 08:18

      @Peter Potgieter, exactly I don't know how many times I'm driving the speed limit and a smart car wants to flash their lights at me so that they can drive faster despite the fact that there are other lanes for him to drive in.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 09:26

      Pandora bugger them stick to the speed limit..I cultivated the correct habits long ago and havn't had a ticket for 5 years.........

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-21 10:10

      So... Pandora... you the person that drives 90km/h in the FAST LANE??? Looks like Racingcat too!

      pierreedge - 2011-09-21 11:45

      potgieter, what you do is not only stupid but illegal. You are not allowed to "teach" anyone lessons first, in a 2 lane or more road, it is illegal to hog the fast lane EVEN if you drive within the speed limit. I guess you bought your license. Second, beside the legal aspect, you dont know what kind of emergency the guy behind has, his house might be on fire, he might have an injured person in the car, he might be an undercover cop or many other things you cant comprehend. people like you are as dangerous as those taxi drivers.

      Nicolas - 2011-09-21 12:00

      @Pandora - keep left and pass right is the rule is it not????? Stop being a road hog by blocking the fast lane, you are not there to enforce the law, it is people like you who contribute to accidents!!

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-22 05:51

      @ AMS and Pandora...Nowhere did I advocate obstructing anybody who wants to travel faster ..what I meant was stick to the speed limit. If sombody wants to pass let him go ..Its his Choice. Hope that clears that one up.

      Fanie - 2011-09-22 11:33

      Mike - Glad you have added that one, and this also need to be added : LACK OF DRIVER CONSENTRATION. Case in point: family wiped out last week with the mother breastfeeding, and having a 4 year old next to her without a seatbelt... Peter - what I do to guys is start washing my windscreen long and hard the spray makes them back off - IF I am on the maximium speed limit and it is not possible to move over, instead of you going slower and the git smashing into you. If I am driving slower I either move over or put foot

      Thermophage - 2011-09-22 17:58

      Go Peter, although I am one to drive around 65 km/h and thenarouns 130 km/h on the freeway. Main reason is that the speedometer in your car is a good couple of % out. And yes there is an unofficial "fast" lane in SA...If you in it then you are doing 120 otherwise bugger off to the left people. If I am doing 120/130 in the fast lane while gettin past some slower traffic and I am flashed there is no way in hell I will pull over. If you come up behind at a decent speed and keep a good following distance I will pull over once safe. But to be honest...I drive open road a LOT and 120/130 becomes an extremely tedious speed to drive at. The more you drive (as with anything) the faster your reaction time is. Lowering to 100 km/h will barely do anything to be honest...More experienced and better drivers will still be able to react better at 120 km/hr than an inexperienced/nervious driver at 100 km/h

  • gmain - 2011-09-20 23:05

    u need more bling mr minister? mayber ban cars altogeteher if not? the public transport system as promoted by cANCer is in shambles yes, but current laws are ignored as it is, so why change them?

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 06:15

      Looks like the AARTO is going to flop How the hell are they going to implement any speed control wheneven the Fat asses knock off at 16h00.......Anybody caught speeding after hours anyway????

  • cameronrh1 - 2011-09-20 23:10

    Its not a matter of the speed limit being too high in fact it could be 180... its a matter of public transport being unsafe, over loading and penalties on these taxi drivers being too lenient... hooting constantly, blaring music enough to make you deaf, and shoot them given the chance, and driving recklessly on the road.

      Protest - 2011-09-21 06:45

      I was under the impression that the speed limit was 180. At least for the convoys of black luxury vehicles with dark tinted windows and flashing lights.

  • CtC - 2011-09-20 23:13

    He just wants to say something.... shame... At 100km per hour the smoking scorro scorro doing 40km/hr in the fast lane without indicators,bold tyres and a nut behind the steering wheel will still cause an accident.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 06:24

      Nothing wrong with this comment...why 2 thumbs down??

      markings - 2011-09-21 06:40

      Now 3, for spelling error and ignorance about measurements and their abbreviations. It is 'bald' and 'km/h'. The minister is right for suggesting this. Let's hope it is implemented. BTW, in many urban areas the limit should be 40km/h.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 09:28

      Still How the hell are they going to enforce it....?

      Clive - 2011-09-21 21:34

      @markings: if they can't enforce 120km/h, what makes you think they can enforce any lower limit? Think before you write, pal.

  • Zaheer - 2011-09-20 23:15

    The speed limit for public transport vehicles(Taxi's) is already 100km/h. If you must reduce that even further, we the rest of the public may never reach our daily destinations on time if ever, for one. Secondly, The hazadous & reckless manner in which taxi's drive is the actual and major problem, not the speed limit. They are the "Terrorist's" of the road.

      phoantoinix - 2011-09-21 00:38

      By the minister's logic, taxi's should have a speed limit of 25Kkm/h. I propose a dual speed limit. People who can prove they have a legitly obtained licence, whose cars are certified to be 100% roadworthy, can continue to go 120. They get a special plate / disk. Those who do not have the special plate / disk can only go 75. ADDENDUM: Then arrest anybody who has no plate / disk, and crush their vehicle. Problem solved.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 06:26

      And Who is going to do the arresting? JHB Metro cops are Useless ..The Pricks at the top need to be replaced...Couldnt even catch Pigspotter..

      JohnyBlue - 2011-09-21 12:44

      Rubbish, look at the statistics, in the VAST majority of accidents, there are no taxis nearby. It is idiots who think they can actually handle a 2 ton piece of machinery at high speed that cause accidents.

  • Kafka - 2011-09-20 23:15

    If they don't address the impunity with which particularly taxis are apparently allowed to break ever single law and traffic regulation, no decrease in the speed limit will help, it will only increase the revenue extorted from ordinary road users by traffic cops 'regulating' traffic rather than clearing up intersections or doing something more useful with their time and our money. Minister, dream on.

  • TrippiZee - 2011-09-20 23:17

    Speed don't kill people, sh1tty drivers do..

  • EarthBound - 2011-09-20 23:19

    Reducing the speed limit won't help. Its those that exceed the speed limit that causes accidents. Imagine if it would be 100 kph - THEN they would exceed more. What about heavy trucks where the sticker on the back of the vehicle says maximum 80 kph but drivers misreading it as minimum 80 kph. What about the taxis speeding at 80 - 100 kph in a 60 zone. Not even speaking about them stopping suddenly in front of you to offload passengers.

  • Bill - 2011-09-20 23:21

    Your brain works backwards, Sir!

      Liberty - 2011-09-21 02:38

      that is of course assuming he has one, which I doubt judging from the article

      Captainmorgan - 2011-09-21 05:34

      Your brain works backwards, Fir!

  • MKAM - 2011-09-20 23:23

    I DON'T THINK SPEED IS ENTIRELY THE REAL ISSUE HERE... IT'S MANY FACTORS SUCH AS; DRUNK DRIVING, SOME TAXI DRIVERS, UN-MAINTAINED TAXI / VEHICLES, DRIVER'S LICENCE BUYERS ON THE ROAD, LACK OF RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER ON THE ROAD, AND OTHER THINGS

  • Raymond - 2011-09-20 23:28

    the speed limit for taxis is 100 km/h , here in East London they do that in town . I will respect a taxi as a service provider when he obeys the rules of the road like all the rest of the traffic .3rd world people cant judge distance - why - look at number of head on crashes .

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 13:42

      And they know nothing about centrifugal force either...

  • John - 2011-09-20 23:44

    Sort the bloody taxis as they account for most of the serious accidents and dropping the speed limit in SA won't help when unread worthy taxi and buses roam our roads like lunatics

  • dachshund118 - 2011-09-20 23:56

    Ridiculous! Rather get the taxi's, unroadworthy vehicles, drivers driving without valid driver's licences and drunk drivers off our roads.

      dachshund118 - 2011-09-20 23:58

      And fix those potholes - it's causing hundreds of accidents.

  • seth death - 2011-09-21 00:02

    This guy has obviously never driven through pretoria central... Take the dam taxi's off the road if you are looking to save lives...

  • Pierre du Plessis - 2011-09-21 00:07

    I used to drive over 200 in Germany and France. No problems there because there are no taxis!!

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 06:19

      And The cops enforce the respected laws.... in Germany one doesnt break the law because they respect it...

      Brett Scheepers - 2011-09-21 06:48

      Where in France did you get to drive at over 200km/h?

      Ingletor - 2011-09-21 07:05

      It would be remiss to overlook the fact that Germany has a top-class road infrastructure that was specifically built to cater for these high speeds. Germany also spends a massive amount of money in maintaining these roads so that they remain safe. German licence requirements to drive on the Autobahn are also extremely stringent. That said, accidents still happen - one can never eliminate them entirely.

      pierreedge - 2011-09-21 11:57

      Last time i was in France, the highest speed limit i saw was 130 on a large highway. Could you you tell us where it's 200 or is it in your imaginary trips in your imaginary Ferrari?

  • Singularity - 2011-09-21 00:14

    The speed limit is not the problem, why change something that isnt the problem?? Buses, taxis, and vehicles that belong on the scrap heap which are driven by people who are not paying attention to the road and have no respect for the rules of the road, remove them, fix the pot holes and watch as the death toll reduces to what it was in the 80's!!!

  • Glennm - 2011-09-21 00:18

    Lead by example....You government officials exceed speed limits all the frigging time. Who made you mighty than thou. Root the problem. Unlicensed drivers and taxis. Or is this another way to fine hard earning South Africans....

  • phoantoinix - 2011-09-21 00:28

    "Minister wants top speed limit cut" Could change that to Minister wants state-cut from huge increase in speeding-fines. If he really cared about road safety, he would ensure that all who drive are properly trained and don't have a "bought" licence. Close to HALF of the drivers do not have a clue and are not legit! Sadly corruption in all departments, including traffic has gone too far already -the point of no-return is well past. Now it's virtually impossible to fix. (Hoe does one keep things running, but investigate, prosecute and dismiss, fight thousands of cases in labour court, without the entire department, the entire country coming to a standstill?) And THERE is the prob. -it's not the speed limit, Mr Minister!

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 09:31

      We have the best licences that money can buy

  • Blip - 2011-09-21 00:43

    Doesn't matter where you set the speed limit if lots and lots of drivers simply ignore it and speed anyway. And also if the law-enforcers are just overwhelmed by the sheer huge numbers of lawless roadhogs, let alone being too afraid of being shot or assaulted if they dare pulling them over. The country is "ungovernable". As your cadres wanted it.

  • Hetrohero - 2011-09-21 00:44

    ... well I guess the toll road plan is not working out too well. Why have toll gates if you can set up speed traps ANYWHERE.

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-21 00:45

      Have to keep on sucking harder and harder for those fancy luxury jet liner trips overseas and soft blonde hookers.

  • proudandpink - 2011-09-21 01:01

    Get rid of taxis and 95% of the problem is solved.

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-22 09:44

      ....and how do you propose the ANC voters get from one strike to the next?? Huh?

  • Jet_60 - 2011-09-21 01:06

    Estimated 480 682 unlicensed vehicles on the country’s roads. To make matters worse, they say as many as 376 876 of the vehicles on our roads are considered un-roadworthy. These are ridiculous numbers if we consider the total vehicle population of 9.182m vehicles. South Africa also struggles with an ever-increasing number of ‘new’ drivers. In the period under review a record 1.130m learner licenses were issued against only 306 602 new drivers’ licenses. The total number of licensed drivers at the end of March 2008 stood at 8.205m across all license categories. We need to start at this point retest people remove unroadworthy cars be strict with drinking and driving and worry less about people who can drive.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 06:21

      I am sure that more than 500 000 are not roadworthy .....

      Peter Potgieter - 2011-09-21 08:04

      HOw do you know who can drive????? it means remove all the cars off the road and test each driver to make sure they can all drive... how dumb.... THe only reason we have so many bad drivers on the road is because majority of the drivers go for their code 10 licence in a truck because it is so much easier to get than a code 8. Thats why you have bad drivers on the road... to get your code 10 licence you only need to do the yard test which is 4 items..... its not about buying licences etc... they have now put a stop to this procedure.... you need to get your code 8 now before going for your code 10 ... thumbs up on that one :)

      phoantoinix - 2011-09-21 09:01

      @Peter Don't quite follow, are you saying that most accidents in SA are caused by code 10 drivers in trucks? Or code 10 drivers in cars? To the best of my knowledge, a code 10 driver WITHOUT a code 8 licence, is not allowed to drive a car, is driving without a licence. And legit code 10 drivers do cause accidents with trucks. But the inherent "safety mechanism" is that most trucks are very expensive and owned by bosses -who will not allow nutcases to drive their stuff. So how to make sure that ALL can drive? The white man thought of that already. It's called a "driver's licence". 1) Go for driving lessons 2) Have yourself tested by competent, honest examiners 3) Pass the test and get a licence. Sadly the ANC-kleptocracy, when it received power, in 1994 from this nice Mr De Klerk (and cohorts), saw fit to screw around with this system. (It is called: co-rup-tion.) So, now half of the licences are "legally registered" but bought by totally clueless "drivers" from corrupt Department officials. Said "drivers" also do not know that an unroadworthy car is like a huge bullet, can kill many with one shot. Corollary, the by law required "Road Worthy Certificates" are very often also illegally "sold" by ANC-licensed agents -adding to the mountain of corpses. If you want safe driving -don't leave your courtyard; it's carnage out there.

  • phillie - 2011-09-21 01:35

    Again the idiots in command show their absolute ignorance of what is going on around them. People are ignoring the 120 km/h limit already so how are the going to listen to a new law if the visible policing of the law does not happen. First get the cops out of the offices and from under the shade trees back onto the roads and hammer the road hogs in all departments of abuse. Secondly speed does not kill Speed AND.......... kills.

  • Craig Louw - 2011-09-21 01:38

    I have the perfect solution. Drop the maximum speed limit to 100 make drivers take an advanced driving course resulting in a license to drive @ 120. At the same time make it law to retest for pdp and make 4x4 a special license as well.

      Bruce - 2011-09-21 05:05

      Explain why you feel 4x4's need a special license? Will this include all the sedans that are 4x4? Or do you have stats proving their is a problem with 4x4 drivers?

      vrystaat - 2011-09-21 08:56

      ya i dont your point with the 4x4 license?

      allows - 2011-09-21 11:25

      I would rather say let BMW drivers and taxi drivers get special licenses. They are the a$$hole drivers.

      Gazza69 - 2011-09-22 09:45

      @allows...don't be a hater. Its better to cry in a BMW than on your tomato box....

  • Craig Louw - 2011-09-21 01:43

    On a separate note and not to detract from the credibility of my previous comment make it law That should a taxi driver survive an accident the family of the deceased immediately own his ass. ie all the money he makes for the rest of his life goes to them. That includes what the bosses make. Make them liable. Set a price of R1000000 per life to be paid out.

      RACINGCAT - 2011-09-21 06:32

      Useless if the law cannot be enforced....In one of the Jhb Metros roadblocks The cops tried to stop a woman in a car...She just Ignored them and drove on....The cops didnt even bother to give chase...

      vrystaat - 2011-09-21 08:58

      no amount of money is worth any persons life

  • kazkazkaz - 2011-09-21 01:48

    has anyone not realised that the people that generally speed, will do so regardlessly? whether you increase or decrease the limit, the ones that speed care, and hence if these are the people that u are trying to make drive safer, ur going about it the wrong way. ur only making it harder for the vast majority of people to get around and travel

  • AJ2 - 2011-09-21 02:13

    Accidents are caused by people far exceeding 120 km/hour, which they will continue to do regardless of what is on the speed sign. Simply inconveniencing the law abiding because they are too lazy to go after the real culprits with proper resources. He could make the speed limit 60 km/hour and some moron going 160 with no brakes and bald tyres will still kill a bunch of people somewhere...

      Hetrohero - 2011-09-21 04:15

      Its actually remarkable how these morons get smarter with their driving, here in the States, when if you get caught speeding over a certain margin your car gets impounded, towed away, you have to pay for tow plus $200 per day for storage fees + all unpaid tickets on car before you get it back. Oh that is after you get out of jail and your license is suspended for a whole year.

  • azola.loko - 2011-09-21 02:17

    u r ambitious!!!

  • Guido - 2011-09-21 02:21

    clever move if he gets it, now they can make more moeny out of speed fines as nobody will stick the this new limit

      Blip - 2011-09-21 02:26

      The speeders don't bother paying those fines anyway.

  • Sprinkaan - 2011-09-21 02:28

    Why does youe blue light brigades battle to keep up

  • Olavin - 2011-09-21 02:40

    Reducing the speed limit won't help much. Accidents are more prone to happen because there is a big variance between speeds of vehicles on the highway; people driving 140 or over are just as much to blame as people driving 100. Of course, driver error plays a huge role, some people just struggle to make sound judgements under these conditions. If everyone drove at speeds within a small variance of each other, whether it's 110, 120, or 130, there would be smoother traffic and less accidents.

  • brinjal - 2011-09-21 02:55

    Presently the speed limit for taxis & buses is already 100kmh, but daily they pass me doing 120+.

      Peter Potgieter - 2011-09-21 08:08

      THe reason they do this is because nobody reports them.... did you take their reg. no's and report them??????

      dgee - 2011-09-21 12:54

      @PP tried that-waste of time and airtime!! Only people who care are (some) companies when vehicles are reported

  • Bob - 2011-09-21 03:45

    A 20km/h drop in speeds will increase the driving time between JHB and CPT by 3.5 hours. They might as well close down the N1 then.

  • MedicC - 2011-09-21 04:21

    Good Idea, wonder how you are going to get this right, you can't even control the taxi drivers, if you are a taxi driver, well now that gives you the right to make and break the rules as you go along

  • drystone - 2011-09-21 04:45

    As far ad I know, the speed limit for taxis is already 80Km/h. So is the minister going to reduce it even more? Try getting to the root of the problem, which anyone with common sense would have noticed by now, that the problem is not the maximum speed limit, but the TOTAL DISREGARD and IMCOMPETENCE of drivers on the roads. Im sure the minister has a chaufeur and all the time in the world (africa time), while the rest of us has to rush, to meet our obligations, to pay for tolls and everything else. Maybe the minister should take some time driving on public roads in a private vehicle and see what goes on for a change, instead of making stupit statements. Look at the root of the problem and then take effective action against all the rubbish drivers on the roads. That would certainly reduce road deaths by at least 50%. We are heading for a new national motto " pay more, get less"

      dgee - 2011-09-21 13:00

      We are there Friend. How can we plan a mass action march ? tax payers unite - OH dear we're all too busy working to pay our ministers and friends.

  • Sean Presher-Hughes - 2011-09-21 04:52

    It is the taxi drivers thmselves that totally disregard any form of traffic laws, they drive like maniacs! By the way what happened to the speed limit that was introduced whereby busses and lorries etc have a speed limit of 100 km's an hour? Most of the time they drive well in exess of at least 140 km's an hour this mostly involves public transport vehicles! It is easy to introduce legislation, but it is only effective as the enforcement thereof! Place propper traffic law enforcement and get the facts right! Your stats will be more acurate befora making such irrational decisions. By the way each country has it's own circumstances, it is time that we revise our own circumstances and stop comparing it to other countries around the world! Sean

  • Sean Presher-Hughes - 2011-09-21 05:10

    How about doing a proper survey on the the causes of taxi-related accidents, you weill start noticing their total t disregard to any traffic laws like speeding, over-loading, un-roadworthiness, disregard to traffic signs and other law-abiding drivers, sudden stopping on yellow lines' stoppingin the middle of traffic intersections. I thought that the for-way flashes were meant for emergency situations and not a passport to stop anywhere they like placing other drivers it,s passengers and padestrians lives at risk!? Any law can beinstilled but it is only as good as the enforcement thereof! Busses, taxis, trucks etc drive way in excess of 140 km's an hour and totally disregar other law a Bing citizens on the road! Each counry should be evaluated according to it,s own circumstances and not merely adopted without doing proper research first! Sean Presher-Hughes

  • Tracy-Lee - 2011-09-21 05:10

    There are increasing calls and signs that something drastic needs to be done to... make more money from speeding fines. Why take wreckless drivers off the roads, or improve public transport, when there's a cash cow just waiting to be milked?

  • Briony - 2011-09-21 05:10

    How about instead of doing that, they crack down on public transport and the roadworthiness of vehicles first, then all public transport drivers should be tested yearly to insure there driving is correct, and systems in these public vehicles that records all issues and when one gets to 5 they lose there licence and vehicle for public transport drivers....

  • Briony - 2011-09-21 05:11

    Why doesnt the car companies stop making fast cars, if there is no temptation then no one can do it!

  • Noname - 2011-09-21 05:19

    What about to stop selling driving licences and for the change educate drivers. Problem is not speed, but drivers which shouldn't have driving licences and badly maintained cars. What about regular roadworthy test for every bus, truck and taxis? What about regular testing of traffic rules for all drivers involved in public transport? What about bring into schools traffic rules subject? Education of kids and all drivers would be right way to go. There you can find problem. Speed is killing I agree with you, but is not drivers which is driving 120km/h, it is drivers, driving 70-80km/h in 120km/h zone.Lowering speed limit to 100 km/h, will not solve anything. Bad behaving drivers will be, behaving badly in any speed limit. You dont have to be rocket scientist to see where problem is, you need only to open eyes. Answer is in article above. 126 people had been killed in accidents involving public transport. Control of public transport, is logical answer.

  • WernerK9 - 2011-09-21 05:25

    It's because of "apartheid" that it is so unsafe on SA roads. "Apartheid" is the reason speed kills!!!! ;)

  • Mac27 - 2011-09-21 05:34

    Enforce the existing laws before you put new laws in place. What happend to the law that taxis must not drive over 100 km/h. They all got the 100 km/h sticker on the back of the car. The same goes for heavy trucks with the 80 km/h rule. Every morning I am overtaking by taxis or have a taxi sitting on my ass whilst I am driving 120. Enforce that laws first.

  • shaun botsis - 2011-09-21 05:37

    the taxi speed limit is 100kmph

  • Sean Presher-Hughes - 2011-09-21 05:40

    Refer to new eadline below "Driver faces chrges for 55 kids in taxi" I rest my case Mr. Minister! Sean Presher-Hughes

  • cecil.harley - 2011-09-21 05:53

    All public transport are already limited to 100km/h - Enforce the law, maintain the roads!!

  • Guy Fawkes - 2011-09-21 05:57

    Don't lower the speed limits. I live in Australia now. The speed limits are so slow that we all fall asleep behind the wheel

      Peter Potgieter - 2011-09-21 08:10

      Thus it brings down your serious accdients to about 20 a year!!!!!! proof that speed is a major cause of serious accdients