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Ministers don't have to scan hand luggage

2011-11-29 08:27

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma has instructed the government protocol unit to ensure that no minister is ever again obliged to put hand luggage through an airport scanner.

He emphasised that under the Vienna Convention, VIPs such as ministers are afforded certain privileges and protections.

The president referred to an incident in September when International Relations Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane missed a flight in Norway when she declined to put her handbag through a scanner.

The government had to charter a plane at a cost of R200 000 to get her to her next international engagement.

The sections of the convention that deal with diplomats include privileges and protections meant to ensure that diplomatic missions can carry out their duties free from fear of interference.

Comments
  • Nomde - 2011-11-29 08:35

    They love their gravy too much to be carrying anything sufficiently dangerous or be planning anything sufficiently sinister to warrant 'searching'

      Go - 2011-11-29 08:55

      This is a load of crap, they are trying to make themselves above the law.

      Jarryd - 2011-11-29 08:57

      "Lets pay 200k instead of searching a handbag".....whhhat????

      Activity Bookings - 2011-11-29 08:57

      Kobro explained that airport security staff were bound by "common European Union regulations". Marit Kvarum of Norway's Civil Aviation Authority said the country had adopted European Union provisions under which only royalty and heads of state were exempt from airport luggage checks, provided certain conditions were met. Kobro said: "Here at Oslo airport we cannot deal with government officials from other countries differently from how we treat our own. The prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, also has to go through security checks and we have never experienced any problems with him or other Norwegian ministers. From the M&G

      Helmut - 2011-11-29 09:08

      @Nomde The day will come when there choke on the gravy

      Vicker - 2011-11-29 09:10

      Inter-office Cabinet Memo: New specifications for Gumment Issue hand-luggage bags to be issued forwith to Ministers: Must be able to hold at least 2kg Colombia's finest - please contact Comrade Cwele for further info Must be able to hold at least 50 x 1 ounce Kruger Rands - please contact Comrade Shaik for further info Must be able to hold at least USD20000 in small denomination bills - please contact Comrade Maharaj for further info Must be able to hold at least 500carats uncut diamonds - please contact Comrade Mugabe for further info Optional: Enough space left over for a passport.

      gerhard.nel - 2011-11-29 09:12

      I would love to see them try and enforce that eg in America. They will scan and strip search you if you object.

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:13

      @ Vicker .. whaahaaa!!!! Excellent, and close to the truth!

      Willie - 2011-11-29 09:16

      Please Mr President we are not idiots go and read EU rules about aviation

      Ryan - 2011-11-29 09:18

      so Zuma wants special rules that apply only to SA ministers when travelling overseas. isnt he just special

      jonathancfarrell - 2011-11-29 09:18

      What? With all the corruption in politics they should be fully scanned!!!

      Eric - 2011-11-29 09:25

      @Vicker - brillant!

      Squeegee - 2011-11-29 09:44

      Mr Zuma Sir, your aggogance is contemptable.

      Ronen - 2011-11-29 09:45

      I am sure she had nothing to hide. lol

      John - 2011-11-29 10:06

      why, if you not hiding anything it takes a few seconds, why make a big deal of it.

      Activity Bookings - 2011-11-29 10:12

      Msindeni -- I think Nomde referred to THEY, as the corrupt anc that is on the gravy train and stealing the tax payers money. What did you think?

      camp.j - 2011-11-29 10:29

      LOL this just means half 'our' ministers will be locked up abroad instead of in South Africa. Cos sure as sh1t, the will be scanned in other countries.... outside Africa

      Paul - 2011-11-29 11:02

      We all know there was a 15" dildo in her handbag!

      Dave - 2011-11-29 12:15

      wHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF ? OR IS THIS THAT A MINISTER IS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE AND DOES NO WRONG AS THEY ARE ONLY MARRIED TO DRUG DEALERS AND CORRUPTION -------- YEAH VIVA ANC IDIOTS. WHAT DOES THE REST OF THE WORLD THINK OF SA NOW. GO TO ANOTHER COUNTRY AND YOU FALL UNDER THEIR LAWS AND THEY CAN AND WILL ENFORCE THEM.

      Pieter - 2011-11-29 12:25

      @DaveYourcapslockison.

      Willie - 2011-11-29 13:21

      @ proafrikaans ,Why is your comment removed ? are they trying to gag your stupidity

      Dave - 2011-11-29 15:47

      tHANKS pETER

      leoa.martins - 2011-11-29 16:58

      @ Vicker.....and lets not forget the amount of rhino horns that will freely leave the country now....!

      Boeretroos - 2011-11-29 19:09

      It is perfectly OK for them not to scan a bag - as long as they fly alone ! ..We dont need your lot in the plane with other pax zuma. How typical..Phokops.

      Denise - 2011-11-29 22:33

      Abuse of power and arrogance... same as the blue light bully brigades ... who think being late for a meeting or missing a flight constitutes an emergency.... How about time management courses!!!

      Sharkshoot - 2011-11-30 07:32

      Strange that Norway has a different view on that..I guess it's only Africa that allows its tinpot dictators to flout established laws designed to safeguard the lives of the other passengers on a flight.

  • Herman - 2011-11-29 08:36

    I'm sorry, with the state SA's in, NO ANC "minister" should be allowed any privileges as non of them has earned it!!!

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:19

      @#Go Not sure if you meant to put "moonlighting as' in your comment? Anyway - at least they are gonna be able to bring in the New York Hilton hand soaps ..... For sure .. they need em.

      Wes - 2011-11-29 10:02

      Maite Nkoana-Mashabane is South Africa's Minister of International Relations and Cooperation. Well why didn't she cooperate and have her handbag scanned.

      MikeLearview - 2011-11-30 01:17

      In a true democracy, the presidential office would have confirmed that no minister should be exempt from normal airline passenger safety procedures & requirements.

  • Deegidideegs - 2011-11-29 08:37

    What makes them different from other tax paying commuters. It is a handbag, and it really does not take that long to put a handbag through a x-ray machine. She must of been hiding something.

      Piet - 2011-11-29 08:47

      Druggs springs to mind.....

      Vicky - 2011-11-29 09:05

      Yeah, she MUST HAVE!!!

      Willie - 2011-11-29 09:19

      @ proafrikaans you just talk rubbish please do not insult people you are a disgrace to the afrikaners.Go and spit your puke some where else

      proafrikaans - 2011-11-29 09:58

      Willie - kyk na hoeveel likes en dislikes my kommentaar gaan kry het, en dan vra jy jouself of jou soort as gatkruiper nie juis Afrikaners se groot probleem is nie. Groei tog 'n paar cojones, jou ruggraatlose jellievis.

      Kai - 2011-11-29 16:43

      rhino horn, but the Chinese didnt want them so she then was faced with having to smuggle them back out of Norway.

      Lionel - 2011-11-30 12:19

      Our politicians have lost touch with reality. They work for us! That is why I created Mobilitate. Join me and 10 000 others as we hold our government accountable.

  • Bokfan - 2011-11-29 08:41

    Given the prevalence of ministers and their families associated with the drug trade I'm certain this instruction will be treated with the contempt it deserves.

      janet.pretorius1 - 2011-11-29 08:48

      I agree. I wouldn't fly on the same plane if I knew they were on the flight and hadn't been searched. Huge security risk given their corruption and greed levels. She cost the country R200000 for an unnecessary emergency flight - not the airport officicals. Once again - no accountability = corruption

  • Clive - 2011-11-29 08:43

    Yet another example of the arrogance of the ruling elite, who become more cut off from reality by the day. In many European countries cabinet ministers take commercial flights and have to obey the same rules as all other passengers. But then I guess this is Africa, not Europe.

      Alan - 2011-11-29 08:58

      Yeah, and hey - these people are "Public Servants" ....., even though their fragile ego's make them see themselves as some kind of powerful Gods. Maybe our biggest challenge in Africa is make Government employees see themselves for what they actually are elected to be - Lowly SERVANTS of the nations!! Sadly - power corrupts!

      Angus - 2011-11-29 09:31

      This is the problem with black African politicians. They see themselves as the Kings of the country they are governing and thus untouchable. They have no concept of democracy, accountability and the fact that if they do not perform to the public's satisfaction, that they should and MUST be voted out at the next election. They make themselves the laughing stock of the world daily with their sheer arrogance and self-importance!

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2011-11-29 08:44

    Protecting a concubine, now drugs will be smuggled by Siyabonga Cele.

      Rudie - 2011-11-29 08:51

      On the money .

  • Merven - 2011-11-29 08:48

    Good, now they can smuggle their own drugs. Will be nice seeing a minister being arrested in Dubai or somewhere for drug trafficking.

      Jerhone - 2011-11-29 09:46

      hopefully some five star jail country in South America or some arab country where they chop your head off

      Perfume - 2011-11-29 14:54

      The passing of sentences is very quick abroad, caught today, sentenced today lol

  • Kraken - 2011-11-29 08:49

    No it makes sense actually. The contents of the Minister's bags are classified. If the person scanning the bag finds out this "classified" information, he can face up to 25 years in prison - Info Bill. Jacob is obviously just protecting the personnel at the airport

      Dank - 2011-11-29 09:17

      ahaha ahahahha ah ah

  • Piet - 2011-11-29 08:50

    Most of them had a criminal record...What makes them now so special????

  • aarchaic - 2011-11-29 08:50

    This is just bloody nonsence! they have VIP rooms and everything why that make the trips "Faster" why cant they take 5 minutes to scan a bag!

      Piet - 2011-11-29 08:57

      20 seconds at most....

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:00

      next thing will be blue lights on their airport trolleys.....

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-29 09:54

      Because all the thieving cretins have something to hide ! We need a call for "ALL" government , municipal , parliament employees with criminal records must be fired without compensation. (including "shower head" Zuma ) We pay their salaries , we have a right to say NO. Damn South African Politics , save the Rainbow Nation.

      Perfume - 2011-11-29 14:57

      @Alan....rotflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • MrWilderDJ - 2011-11-29 08:50

    Okay cool so the next "Minister" that wants to run a drug cartel can just carry the 10KG of Coke in the carry on luggage so there is no worry about being caught.....

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:29

      LMML!!

      Angus - 2011-11-29 09:33

      Good one Ivan!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA Why hasn't she been "bust" yet? (Pun intended)

      Jerhone - 2011-11-29 09:50

      TO Ivan, post of the day, congrads man***** a five star quality post

      Alan - 2011-11-29 12:10

      Am I picking up Stompies, or is Winnie the Butt of jokes here?

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2011-11-29 13:53

      Oh look some1 removed my comment, I wonder why, I was referring to my dog Winnie, she is often dressed in a dress LOL

      Jerhone - 2011-11-29 15:23

      to Ivan, it's one of the ANC zombies working at news24 that can't think for himself that removed your GREAT POST congrats again

      Jerhone - 2011-11-29 20:22

      to Ivan, you should just keep copying and paste your comment like that zombie overprivilaged does

  • Bob - 2011-11-29 08:51

    The difference Mr Zuma, is that in first world countries, politicians are screened for their backgrounds and anyone with even an unpaid parking ticket would be tossed out as acceptable. So therefore they have diplomatic privileges. The same cannot be said for some of our corrupt, unethical, thieving arrogant politicians who are opportunists at every turn, who should fall short of being afforded this trust! Track records speak volumes to back up what I am saying…!

      Kraken - 2011-11-29 10:40

      Msindeni is a true example of uneducated South Africans who deem themselves knowledgeable because they've been skimming through racially biased articles and gossiping endlessly about the state and cause of African problems. They need to burst the little bubble they live in, because it starts to stink after a while. Wake up.

  • Andrew Nieuwmeyer - 2011-11-29 08:51

    To comply with that order they will all need to have there own VIP Jets, naturally.

  • Abe - 2011-11-29 08:52

    And why the hell shouldn't their hand luggage get scanned? What do they have to hide?

      Alan - 2011-11-29 12:11

      Crocodile Hide mostly,...

  • Larry - 2011-11-29 08:53

    When the Vienna convention reached agreement, I do not believe they had anything like the ANC ministers of today in mind? I will bet that in their overseas jaunts, they do not come under this agreement. I would not trust them in a Taxi trip to Benoni.

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:01

      Taxi trip? ... more like a 'blue light' brigade, as they rush from one "emergency' to the next.... Viva

      Clive - 2011-11-29 12:37

      Good point. Maybe airlines which are forced to carry SA politicians who refuse to have their bags scanned should boot them off the flight for contravening international conventions. Airlines that allow non-scanning - which would presumably include SAA in this case - should be black-listed, and would be banned from flying to compliant countries. Hopefully someone in govt with some common sense will quietly point out to Mr Pres that his edict is probably in conflict with international law, and the matter will mysteriously disappear. But I won't be holding my breath.

  • lunghile.ndleve - 2011-11-29 08:53

    Easisest way to get drugs out/into the country, bribe a minister. And we all know our ministers are not the toughest arms to twist

  • Mike - 2011-11-29 08:53

    Best you rename SAA to Dope African Airline then - with all our "Ministers" smuggling coke and heroine! Thugs!

  • Wiehahn - 2011-11-29 08:55

    What next??? First the secrecy bill nonsense, now no scanning of their luggage - obviously this corrupt government has a lot to hide! WTF

  • Franna16 - 2011-11-29 08:55

    And so the illegal drug and diamond trade rejoice

      leoa.martins - 2011-11-29 17:06

      and lets not forget the rhino horns :-(

  • Des - 2011-11-29 08:56

    Then my hand luggage does not need to be scanned as well - seeing that I am more trustworthy than 99.9% of the ministers.

      mariana.barry - 2011-11-29 09:43

      Yip - what ever happened to "LEAD BY EXAMPLE" ???

  • Michael - 2011-11-29 08:56

    ARE THEY SO F______G IMPORTANT????

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:07

      Only in their own minds....

  • Oceanh - 2011-11-29 08:56

    LOL shame Sheryl Cwele just missed these privileges, she could have smuggled her own drugs through :-)

      Impi - 2011-11-29 09:22

      She did!

  • TheWatcher - 2011-11-29 08:57

    Security measures are there for a reason. Allowing anybody to ignore them is a recipe for disaster. All you need is one dissident in the employ of one of these ministers to sneak something into the bag then the plane goes boom. Yes there are other security measures but they are all meant to work together. Removing one creates a weak link.

      TheWatcher - 2011-11-29 22:37

      i apologise for the double post

  • TheWatcher - 2011-11-29 08:57

    Security measures are there for a reason. Allowing anybody to ignore them is a recipe for disaster. All you need is one dissident in the employ of one of these ministers to sneak something into the bag then the plane goes boom. Yes there are other security measures but they are all meant to work together. Removing one creates a weak link.

      Piet - 2011-11-29 09:02

      They are being bribed every day ....Now they can make a fotune on one trip carrying a couple kg's of cocaine.!!!!!!!!!

  • Dave - 2011-11-29 08:59

    If you have nothing to hide why the reluctance, and have we forgotten Sept 11, besides the African countries are so corrupt.

  • CraigMendelson - 2011-11-29 08:59

    No one is above the law, They exploit the blue lights and now could pose a posible threat on planes, what happens if someone happens to plant something dangerous in the ministers bag, then what, what a joke

      comurray - 2011-11-29 16:20

      There will be a few less ministers and unfortunately innocent passengers as well.

  • Percy - 2011-11-29 09:00

    YAY! Another revenue stream for the government! They can be drug mules or al Queda bomber gimps now!! Hear it's very lucrative...you think SARS can tax them instead of taxing the pants off us???

  • KCorsar - 2011-11-29 09:00

    Yeah, it depends on how you read and understand what's written, that's not what is says...but then if you want it to read a certain way that's easily achieved - just ignore or gloss over what is 'suitable to the cause' Next we will have them able to smoke where they damn well please to......

  • Marie - 2011-11-29 09:01

    Minister Nkoane-Mashabane must be aware that Africa Time only works in Africa and not in Norway and be in time the next time she needs to board a plane!!!

  • makesuthink - 2011-11-29 09:01

    Zuma can only tell RSA customs what to do,if any other country says no entry unless hand luggage is scanned tough sh55 on that minister

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:10

      exactly - why the heck should any first world country give a toss about what the PM of a Banana Republic says about lowly Govt. Employees having their loot bags searched, especially as they are notorious for often being a little less than honest?

  • annettevanrensburg - 2011-11-29 09:01

    very stupid decision, which will endanger other passengers. terrorists groups will target their luggage to hide a bomb in!! Even Ministers can be smugglers and crooks, being a minister doesnt make them into perfect. EU regualtions state that all passengers are equal, and I expect every passenger to be treated the same way i am

      gertcloete - 2011-11-29 09:03

      I never want to fly with ministers on board!!

  • Thokozane - 2011-11-29 09:02

    This is a slap in the face for tax paying law abiding citizens, first the blue lights bridage saga and now this? Ministers dont miss flights because of protocol, they miss flights because they are always late. Animal Farm!!!!!

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:05

      Flying Pigs?

      errol.wagner - 2011-11-29 09:33

      100% correct.

  • CarlS - 2011-11-29 09:02

    If only Sheryl Cwele and friends were so lucky.

  • Helmut - 2011-11-29 09:03

    What are they smuggling?

      Kai - 2011-11-29 16:40

      rhino horns

  • jannie.beirowski - 2011-11-29 09:03

    maybe this has nothing to do with the ministers. It may be a way of ensuring that he, Mr Zuma is not scanned. Is he being paid enough to keep him from thinking of drug dealing? With the armory scandal one thinks some of them may have a tank or fighter plane hidden in their hand luggage. Will the weighing of the hand luggage be allowed?

  • Jaco - 2011-11-29 09:04

    This is not about things they can smuggle in their luggage. Its about people that lost sight of what they’re here for. Refusing to put your bag thru the scanner costing the country R200K is unacceptable. Just because you think you’re better than anyone else now that you’re a minister. Give them any type of authority and it goes straight to the head. That is the African mentality. You are not here to drive your fancy cars with blue lights flashing and stay in expensive houses and hotels. You are here to serve the people.

      Lynn - 2011-11-29 09:58

      I Think the spoiled brat should be made to pay the 200k back.

      Shocktees.co.za - 2011-11-29 14:12

      exactly...it's less than 2 months salary

  • ShaneJacoby - 2011-11-29 09:04

    Frankly, if they have nothing to hide, they should have no worry about having their handbag / luggage pass through a scanner. It's not like airport security rummage through one's hand luggage if it all appears fine. I've been through the gate effortlessly with hand luggage without wasting any time whatsoever... So what's the fuss? So ask yourself this... Now what would you want to keep away from prying eye's if you don't want you hand luggage passing through a simple scanner? First the "Protection of Information Bill", and now this... Zimbabwe politics, here we come...

  • Koketso - 2011-11-29 09:04

    Time is waisted enforcing such useless things. How is this going to better our country?

  • Walter - 2011-11-29 09:04

    This is getting ridiculous! The MP's is above the law!

  • Justin - 2011-11-29 09:05

    What a load of crap. Who the f&*k do these people think they are? If you're a terrorist or drug dealer - just get yourslef a criminal record - then soon you'll be promoted to a ministerial position in the ANC, and you'll have the freedom to carry your bombs and drugs on planes to anywhere in the world!

  • Elize - 2011-11-29 09:08

    Whatever she carried in her handbag must have been VERY valuable to her..... so much so that she preferred to charter a plane at a cost of R200,000 (taxpayers' hard earned money) rather than have her handbag scanned!!! This is a disgrace, who the hell do these people think they are??

  • mninawa - 2011-11-29 09:09

    He is opening the door for Drug Trafficking...

      Jerhone - 2011-11-29 09:58

      well he's got the brains of a zombie, what did you expect we are the only country besides zim that have leaders of the living dead

  • Johan - 2011-11-29 09:09

    Ok, so they are above the law then? What stops them from having 2kg of cocaine in their handbags?

  • Msholozi - 2011-11-29 09:10

    our leaders dont have time for these things they must be respected

      Johan - 2011-11-29 09:15

      Idiot. Do you know how long it takes for a bag to pass through a scanner? 5 seconds. Just about the same time it takes to walk the length of the scanner. So it takes longer to fight it, than to do it. But I wouldn't expect you to understand.

      Alan - 2011-11-29 09:24

      @Msholozi whaahaa good one! I assume you mean they don't have time, because time is running out for corrupt governemnts around the world.

      Eric - 2011-11-29 09:29

      @Msholozi. Have you ever considered visiting planet earth?

      babs.vandermerwe - 2011-11-29 09:30

      1. Respect unfortunately has to be earned (you have to work for it - work- a word some ministers still do not understand). 2. Those who lead by example are respected but that does not mean that they should accept any concessions.

      Jerhone - 2011-11-29 10:02

      to Maholozi the zombie your leaders don,t have time for these things, what the hell work do they do? they can vriet a whole barrel of KFC in a record 5 minutes but got no time for a five second scan

      Lynn - 2011-11-29 10:03

      Wake up. Our leaders think they are in a league of their own. They are corrupt and are so busy running the country into bankruptcy that they do not have time to do any real work. Like looking after the millions of poor people that voted them into power in the first place.

      ivan.coetzee2 - 2011-11-29 10:25

      @Msholozi: LOL and if you look at you pic, looks like you into Service Delivery Protests, is that a full time job? PS: as an outsider, what do you think of the human race? Just asking

      kenneth.roselt - 2011-11-29 12:27

      Ivan i agree it looks like a service protest, wonder if his face is wanted by the SAPS for anything - wonder why some schmuck would put that as their profile pic...

  • robbie.crouch - 2011-11-29 09:11

    UNACEPTABLE!

  • ludlowdj - 2011-11-29 09:11

    Unfortunately the international community is all to aware that the biggest criminals to come out of South Africa are ANC officials, who use their positions to plan and execute illegal activities using their political covers to hide and abet their actions.

  • pastorjakes - 2011-11-29 09:11

    But why ? They are only public servants, not royalty

      Oneant - 2011-11-29 15:58

      no no... in Africa you become big chief and what you say goes. No wonder they couldn't even invent a wheel, never mind a lightbulb.

  • Dewald G. - 2011-11-29 09:12

    Ok hang on.... YOU COST US R200K BECAUSE YOU WERE TO F*CKING IFFY TO PUT YOUR BAG THROUGH THE SCANNER?????? ...WE HAD TO FLY YOU A PLANE OUT THERE???? If you worked for me I would have fired your a$$!!

      Jango - 2011-11-29 12:53

      The sad thing is Dewald G, she does work for us - the tax paying citizens of South Africa - and should be fired, we would all agree with you on that point. However, the difference between 1st world and 3rd world democracy: people hold the government accountable, the other, the government holds it's people accountable. You and I will need to be scanned at the airport, but not the corrupt public official whose salary we pay for. Our democracy is fake, no different to the old proletariat in the former USSR, designed to serve those in public office whilst everyone else is lesser, but all equal, citizens. We are unworthy bourgeois in another corrupt politarian state of Africa.

  • errol.wagner - 2011-11-29 09:13

    Remember 'Animal Farm' - all animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others?

  • Florida - 2011-11-29 09:14

    I think we need to check exactly what the Vienna Convention states. According to the Norwegian authorities, immunity applies only to royalty and heads of state. If the convention does not apply to the minister then we as taxpayers must demand she pay - go to court if necessary. We are all sick and tired of this arrogant 'blue light mentality'.