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Moeletsi Mbeki questions political elite

2012-05-24 22:33

Johannesburg - There is something wrong with the way the political elite are managing South Africa, political analyst Moeletsi Mbeki said on Thursday.

It was the political elite which determined how the country developed, Mbeki said in his lecture: "What has the ANC achieved in nearly two decades?" at the University of the Witwatersrand.

"There is something very wrong with South Africa... with how the political elite are managing South Africa," he said.

Under the ANC, three social groups had emerged.

They were: the capitalists or bourgeoisie, the political elite or bureaucratic bourgeoisie, and the under-class or unemployed.

"We have a unique political system in South Africa. It's controlled by the black middle class [political elite], but it has an alliance with the poor or the under-class," Mbeki said.

"The under-class are the single largest voting block of South Africa."

He said political power rested between the black political elite and the black poor.

Mbeki said the objective of the political elite was to maximise consumption of the black middle class and to retain the monopoly on political power.

However, its key weakness was that it depended on the vote of the under-class, which did not own productive assets.

"The ANC has been driving a consumer revolution at the expense of production," he said.

South Africa was being de-industrialised.

"We need a new politics in South Africa, a more inclusive politics, not just a black elite and a black poor."

The capitalists needed to be brought into the loop. This group of society was defending itself by moving capital out of South Africa, said Mbeki.

"As long as they [capitalists] are out of the political loop, we'll never have economic growth. They control the productive assets of the country," he said.

"The consumption of black elites is unsustainable and has to be reversed."

Mbeki said the solution for South Africa was to develop entrepreneurs who were productive, and to develop science, maths, engineering and management education.

"Without that, we're going nowhere," said Mbeki.

Comments
  • Rabble-Rouser - 2012-05-24 22:44

    Moeletsi Mbeki's analysis always make sense. He has remarkable insight. And he can see the rot in the ANC.

      eddie.sibiya - 2012-05-24 23:15

      I have seen some improvements in some areas,I have seen agriculture projects in rural areas such as KZN, Eastern Cape and Limpopo.I have seen students receiving financial assistance to register for their studies in various universities. Let Mr Moeletsie continues his irrelevant

      Ronald - 2012-05-25 00:44

      Eddie, an old saying goes " one swallow does not make a summer". You have to look at the big picture. Yes, no one can deny that some improvements have been made in certain areas, but when taking into account the resources that are actually available, these results count for very little. Massive amounts have been allocated to education and public health, but very little reaches the end user due to fraud, dodgy tenders, financial mismanagement and wasteful expenditure. The same trend is visible in almost all sectors of government spending. Every year, time and again parliament is presented with reports of most government departments having qualified financial reports, yet nothing gets done about it. In a parliamentary memo in 2010 it was estimated that between R600-800 Billion of government funds could not be accounted for in the preceding 16 years. Last year alone the government admitted to R24 Billion going missing. That alone could have created 420 000 jobs, paid for 800 000 university students for one year, built 370 000 low cost houses or provided basic food to 2,5 million people for a year.

      Jack - 2012-05-25 04:42

      Moeletsi for president!!!

      dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-05-25 06:21

      Nowhere in the world has a "liberation movement" taken over governing a country SUCCESSFULLY !!!!!!!

      Jessica - 2012-05-25 06:43

      He does have insight. I listened to the news this morning and it looks like Greece is out of the Euro zone. Greece's downfall is exactly what is happening in South Africa where fraud, corruption and nepotism is rife. It's not only African governments who can destroy economies but European ones as well when there is no accountability. I hope that SA will take a note from Greece's predicament and not let us walk the same path. The ANC must also look at North Africa and realize that you can only oppress the people soloing before they revolt. SA only trade one oppressive regime for another and labelled it a deMOCKarcy.

      kaMazibuko - 2012-05-25 07:27

      Moeletsi Mbeki is only critical of government only coz his brother was ousted. It will be foolish to say corruption didn't exist in government but it didn't just start now. The people that are being exposed now were looting government coffers during Mbeki's tenure and they were protected. With the current government institutions like the public protector are making sure corruption is being exposed and people get punished. why say we are not heading in the right direction ? @eddie i fully agree with u, alot is being done but the media doesn't cover it. they are only interested in stirring racial hatred so they can sell papers, they don't contribute into making SA better. @ronald you're spot on but let's be grateful that now as citizens we have access to this information and hope that thieves will be removed from gorvenment and competent people will be put there, people who won't be tempted by companies that bribe to get tenders but dont deliver

      Felix - 2012-05-25 07:53

      @kaMasibuko, Moeletsi was grinding the government before, during and after his brothers term. He is a brilliant analyst with integrity. Are you happy that our gov just handed over R300mil to Cuba yesterday, after writing off their bad debt of R1.1BILL a couple of years back?

      Malcolm - 2012-05-25 08:12

      @kaMazibuko - If that is the case then why was he critical of his brother as well? Perhaps its time you start trying to base your opinions on facts instead of wishful thinking.

      Michaele - 2012-05-25 08:21

      Next time round vote Tokyo Sekwale (hope it is spelt correctly), here's a capitalist who will not repeat the JZ regimes' crap.

      Templar - 2012-05-25 08:31

      kaMazibuko you poor ignorant sod, your comments regarding "racial hatred" has just given loads of credibility to the piece posted yesterday by TheFridafactor - http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/I-am-a-racist-20120522 A black intellectual critisises the black government and you, a black man slaps a label of "racial hatred" to it just because an apparent "white" news forum reports on it. Do you have any idea how pathetic that makes you look?

      grenville.felton - 2012-05-25 08:32

      SHould have been president instead of his brother iam sure things would have been better. When Madela was president he had a meeting with Govan and he asked Govan ifhe could groom one of his boys to be presidents one day, anyway Madela made his choice, a few years down the line Mandela and Govan were chatting and Govan said to Mandela " You choose the wrong son"

      Alan - 2012-05-25 09:12

      (Alan2) Spot on Moeletsi. What we need now is a government with the calibre of people like Moeletsi, Dr Mamphela Ramphele and Reuel Khoza along with Helen Zille and Lindiwe Mazibuko. Then South Africa would really progress. 5 million new jobs? Under this present government, forget it!!! Social grants will soon have to be cut back too because of the ANC's rotten governance. THEN we'll hear some moaning all right.

      Rofras - 2012-05-25 09:23

      This guy is a sell-out, he tries by all means to impress white ppl.

      josta.shivuri - 2012-05-25 09:38

      @Eddie, I think I need to teach you the principle of reporting, in a business context, which government should be using since they are a business in a sense. But of course governement don't use this principle. 1) Target When you report in the context of business or even of government: you must have set targets first - what you want to achieve. Targets are based on the needs which are informed by research and/or any information that relate to the said needs. For example, if you plan to build RDP houses, first you need to know how many you need to build - that's your target. This principle applies to e.g number of of youth who need to be educated - how many matriculants needs tertiary education. All efforts at this stage are directed at accumulating as much information about what is needed. 2) Budgeting After you have set your targets then you budget for the targeted activities. Translating planned activities into monetary implications. Meaning budgeting for the funds necessary to meet educational needs, RDP houses, health etc. Planning for resources which may include human resources, materials, assets etc, which all should be represented in financial terms which should compose a budget ultimately.

      josta.shivuri - 2012-05-25 09:39

      3) Actual Now at this stage, you have your targets and budgets i.e your planned activities with their meeting budget. The planning is over the stage is set to begin implementation. After your targets and budget shall have been approved then you can actually spend the funds to achieve your set targets. 4) Reporting (oversight) At this level you need shrewd analysts, people who will appropriately challenge variances (differences between budget/target and actual). You need management accountants to prepare variance reports who should question project leaders, managers, HOD’s, DG’s, supervisors and anybody with the necessary information that relates to the spending of the budgeted funds. The chairperson of this business review session should grill everybody to seek justification of their deviation from targets and budgets. Those who cannot justify their over/under expenditures must be disciplined or if there’s any corrective action that can be taken to minimise losses or under-expenditure the chairperson should recommend that it be embarked upon immediately.

      josta.shivuri - 2012-05-25 09:39

      5) Communication to relevant stakeholders (Media) Government at this stage will have all the necessary information to report on the TARGETS, BUDGET AND ACTUAL, which was provided by management accountants. The report should go like: we have so many RDP houses to build (target) but we could only build so much (actual). This kind of reporting gives you the true state of affairs. You cannot say we have built so many libraries, universities, RDP houses, helped so many poor students etc. if you never knew how much the need was. Otherwise you are simply firing in the air hoping to achieve your objective or your “target” that you don’t even know. That is bad reporting which is no way near good practice. In war situations you will be killed if you don’t aim at your enemy. The government wishes that the media could just report on the “good” they have done since 1994 but the question is how much is still left to be done considering the need vs. resources we have in the country? That’s the question that the government should report on and of course media should report on too. And that’s what the country should hear as well – target vs. actual output. Our politicians seem to know nothing about that. They are just too eager to report on the “good” they have done without ever wanting to tell us how much still need to be done.

  • Alank1949 - 2012-05-24 22:49

    I like this guy as he certainly does not mince words. When is he running for Presidency???

      Sharon - 2012-05-24 22:52

      I would love it if he did. He speaks like a true economist, and says it like it is. Moeletsi for president! 10000000% better choice that Tokyo..

      Khumbudzo - 2012-05-24 23:26

      he does not has qualification for ANC

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:30

      Khumbudzo : Now what is THAT supposed to mean?

      pws69 - 2012-05-25 07:09

      @Khumbudzo, You are right. He is honest and intelligent. Definitely not ANC material.

      Templar - 2012-05-25 08:41

      Khumbudzo - and you does not has qualification to post here.

      Alan - 2012-05-25 09:14

      (Alan2) True Khumbudzo - he does not have the proper qualifications for the ANC: he is not a criminal.

  • thokozane.maloka - 2012-05-24 22:50

    Power lies with the poor masses who are always taken for granted.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:31

      Hopefully not for too long, Michael. Education takes time, but eyes will open.

      Schmee - 2012-05-25 07:30

      Maseratifittipaldi, unfortunately that is why the government is doing such a dismal job with educating the masses. During apartheid they had inferiour bantu education for that exact reason. This government has just taken it a step further.

  • Eduard Marais - 2012-05-24 22:52

    If only they would listen...

  • Gladstone - 2012-05-24 23:05

    Congress has to be formed, and Moeletsi be for president. I'm telling you me, my family and friends can leave these no good, corrupt bastards of ANC, as if we were never part of them!

  • Sechaba - 2012-05-24 23:05

    So says the rich brother of the former President

      margaret.brand.12 - 2012-05-25 02:34

      whether he is a rich more or not is not the problem here, at least he is working for his money and he has brains and is clear that he is also able to use them. Much of what he says makes sense. Cant say the same for many who are running this country.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:38

      What is your point, Sechaba. Do you dispute what Mbeki has to say?

      Schmee - 2012-05-25 07:37

      At least he isn't an arrogant illiterate like the current president.

      Morné - 2012-05-25 07:44

      That is like saying a white person is racist for disagreeing with the ANC. Being white does not automatically make you racist, just as being affluent does not make your opinion invalid.

      Alan - 2012-05-25 09:16

      (Alan2) Sorry mate - that is just a pathetic and unintelligent response Sechaba. Unfortunately typical of ANC 'thinking'.

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-05-24 23:07

    Analysis from one of the few independent thinkers we have in this country.I always enjoy his analysis of South African politics

  • Jacques - 2012-05-24 23:09

    Produce, erh, give that man a Bells!

  • Mashilo - 2012-05-24 23:09

    Spot on Mr Mbeki, the only problem is that your words are going to fall on deaf ears. Wait until Jimmy Manyi, Mantashe, Jackson Mthembu and Blade Nzimande respond then everyone will have a clear picture of where South Africa is going. It's very sad.

      Robert - 2012-05-25 08:31

      Mashilo, every time a black person makes a comment like yourself, it shows progress - in fact, there are several black people that have commented on this article, who can clearly see the problems in SA. THAT IS POSITIVE - spread the news.

      Mfundi - 2012-05-25 09:11

      Wow, Rob giving a compliment with a tone of condescension. Anyway....

  • luzukotosh - 2012-05-24 23:12

    He was not as vocal when his brother was the president as if he didn't err in judgement

      Marc De Jager - 2012-05-25 00:02

      So sad Kagiso that you have so much hatred for a white person.

      Ronald - 2012-05-25 00:55

      Kagiso, amazing how an educated black man with impeccable credentials talking educated sense after thinking for himself becomes a white man's puppet whereas an scarcely uneducated philanderer that has been implicated in criminal activities by a sitting judge(Shaik case) and only provides for himself, the top management of the ANC and their cronies and has become the laughing stock of international politics is the president of this country. How much more warped can your thinking get?

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:43

      It is human to err. To make a mistake. It is subhuman to be parasitic. Especially if you are supposed to lead, and especially if your followers have blind faith in you.

      Schmee - 2012-05-25 07:39

      Funny thing is I recall that he was often outspoken against his brother. I often wondered whether it was sibling rivalry that's gone a bit too far.

      Malcolm - 2012-05-25 08:16

      Luzukotosh - He was in fact very vocal when his brother was the president, perhaps not quite as vocal, but then his brother was not quite as big an embarrassment so there was a little less to be vocal about. Get your facts straight.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-25 10:22

      Two things you must take note of luzukotosh. 1) You now do the effort to listen because he is talking of some0one you like more. He was always criticizing what was wrong. 2) Maybe now are a lot more wrong than ever before.

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-05-24 23:13

    They will not listen to your very sound advice because they will be jealous of your intellect and call you a coconut Moletsi.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:46

      Coconut, as far as I am concerned, should be seen as a compliment, as, in popular racial terms, it comprises attributes of BOTH black and white - not just one. So vision is wider, deeper. Perception more keen.

  • Agedah Alex - 2012-05-24 23:16

    The under class are being decieved bcus they are uneducated,and would be left that way bcus thats d way to get there vote

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:47

      Exactly, Alex. We need an education revolution.

  • Bob - 2012-05-24 23:16

    Spot on Sir! bourgeoisie n the 1. (Sociology) the middle classes 2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) (in Marxist thought) the ruling class of the two basic classes of capitalist society, consisting of capitalists, manufacturers, bankers, and other employers. The bourgeoisie owns the most important of the means of production, through which it exploits the working class

  • Kagiso Tlhakung - 2012-05-24 23:18

    Mr Moeletsi with all due respect sir wat u are saying is rubbish. U are jst bitter that ur brother was ousted as president now u want to discredit the current Zuma government. History has shown that even if u hv a masters in Economics, Politics, Maths or Finance ur are not immune to making bad decision. Ur brother for example with the AIDS issue is a good example of failing academics who claim their education makes them automatically good leaders. If u could jst stop with ur hatred for Zuma u could see that he is leading this country in the right direction. Youth wage subsidy, 898 billion infrastructure development plan.

      Agedah Alex - 2012-05-24 23:32

      He is angry because the ANC is begining to look like a typical liberation corrupt african party like ZANU PF,SWAPO,PDP etc

      Marc De Jager - 2012-05-25 00:01

      Do you actually know what is going on in this country. Clearly not by your comments!

      Philip - 2012-05-25 00:05

      @kagiso, you are one of the 898 billion miss spelled infrastructure development plans that the Zuma regime's implementing! Get out of South Africa my FRIEND!!! Go and do something you people are good at, go back to your beloved country Zimbabwe!!!

      ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-05-25 00:12

      If we could get how much money was wasted on tht Zuma painting saga case yestrday 24th May alone. And u come nd tell us Zuma is leading ths country to a right direction. U Kagiso don't knw wht u r saying, do u even knw wht polical analysts are?

      Ronald - 2012-05-25 01:02

      Kagiso, Moeletsi Bheki cannot do more than the present government is already doing to discredit itself.

      dave.kofang - 2012-05-25 01:19

      @Kagiso blind loyalty will take us nowhere.Mr Mbeki was also critical of his brother's government.The ANC govt messed up education of black people.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-25 02:46

      with due respect Kagiso, you stupid, ignorant and an idiot!

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:51

      Kagiso, how much money does the ANC spend on themselves per year?

      Mark - 2012-05-25 07:22

      Which part of sustainability and stability don't you understand, the spellings or the meanings?

      Musawenkosi - 2012-05-25 07:59

      Kagiso, do not expose ignorance my friend this man has been very critical of his own brother I advise to go back and read and then comment.

  • Avesh Athmanand - 2012-05-24 23:37

    Elitism will always be brother or sister to greed, period. Why? People that have power forget the less fortunate. This applies not only to govt but the common people coz most lost and are losing human compassion - consumed by GREED !!!

  • thozi - 2012-05-24 23:57

    He's right you know... and not many people can see that... actually, will ever see that (Mugabe still has many malnourished supporters - yes, malnourished but still faithful supporters to the bitter end).

  • Philip - 2012-05-24 23:58

    As a white South African I follow Mr. Moeletsi Mbeki in every talk that he's got! I vote Mr. Moeletsi Mbeki for President! If you aks why? The question is Easy: If he could think like this, how would he act!!! Viva my future UNITED President!!!

      dave.kofang - 2012-05-25 01:08

      Its so unfortunate because he doesnt want to join politics.

      Philip - 2012-05-25 01:21

      @dave.kofang Don't you think it is time for us as public to motivate the right person and get him involved with politics? If he can go around and do all these positive and actual speaches at all the universities and else where it is time to get him involved as normal citizens into a higher level? Don't you maybe think as a population "we" must select a leader that can comunicate with normal people? A person with intellegence and a understanding what politics and economy is about? Forget about Mangaung. "They" will choose a new leader there, but in 3 years he will also be overthrown because he is not the "promise" to our great country! And in the end it will happen to every ANC leader (what they now call FATHER). Because everyone is involved politicly for their own benefit and not for the real patriots of the country! Just a thought.

  • Marc De Jager - 2012-05-25 00:00

    I agree with you a 100% Mr Mbeki. Now if only the people that are actually running this country into the ground for their own benefit would listen to you!

  • antin.herinck - 2012-05-25 00:51

    To put Moeletsi's stuff here in short: 1) The black elite (ANC) is extremely materialistic / conspicuously consuming -without producing anything that pays for this. (They steal SA blind, and mismanage it.) 2) SA is de-industrialising (big-time -increasingly relying on export of minerals.) 3) (other comment by Moeletsi, elsewhere) At the end of this decade, China will have completed its massive industrial expansion -this will lead to a collapse in the price that minerals fetch. You see where this goes? No more moolah for grants ---> BIG, BIG SHYTE in SA Sweet dreams . (Print this out, put it in a drawer. Now and then look at it and ask yourself: "if I can get out of SA -when do I go?")

      Philip - 2012-05-25 01:06

      @antin.henrinck I printed it out and put it in my drawer. I opend my drawer and looked at it and you have a lot of sense in what's written. But I don't see a future outside of South Africa for myself! I will fight to my bones for this country. Your forefathers did it for how many centuries, give me a reason why you would like to give up? South Africa is yours as much as it is mine and as much as it is everyone elses, because we were born and bred here and our blood is African!!!

      nevigmm - 2012-05-25 05:38

      we want Jobs which are sustainable not social grants.

      antin.herinck - 2012-05-25 08:51

      @Wosesec -'feel a bit embarrassed, in the face of your patriotism. I love SA more than any other country -which is strange, seeing the complete basket-case its turning into. I have a European passport -so I can leave any time I want , but when I finally do so, permanently, it will be with tears in my eyes. And those tears will be not only for what I lose by leaving, but also for what SA could have been. (And that is WHY I CURSE THE ANC TO HELL! -Pretty much all I can do here.) As far as “fighting” is concerned, of course I considered that option. But it won't work. Hundreds of thousands (If not millions) will die. And then what? The Bantu will out-breed us again and democracy (unworkable in Africa) will once again be against us. And the chance for separate development has permanently gone -not an option. How will we start NOW, from scratch with the entire world against “apartheid”, but now minus all the powerful advantages we had before the 90's. Sorry, call me a weak sissy, but that's not the way I see it. The Bantus were given a fantastic opportunity twenty years ago, they screwed it up badly (predictably) and already irreversibly, and I do not wish to be dragged down too much with them.

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-05-25 01:09

    What you are saying Mr Mbeki is so very true, question is.....why didnt you raise these questions when your brother was at the helm?? Fortunately I have read all your books and find them very intresting...but at least you provide progressive solutions. The ANC has to adapt to its omnibus nature in an ever changing global situation. We have to change our materialism attitude and all the other vices(corruption, nepotism..etc) will disappear.....but that will take time with the ANC being hi-jacked by corrupt individuals. But continue to be the voice of reason in our sea of confusion. Aluta Continua......

  • francis.braden - 2012-05-25 01:40

    Lets talk numbers. Five million whites value education and maintain their population at around five million. So, higher education equates to better paying jobs, family business's, and entrepreneurs take on these "higher educated" people to run business and then the income earned is shared between a fairly stagnant population. So, whites appear to be quite wealthy! Compare this to the majority of blacks (generalization here): Lower education is apparently OK, lower skills equates to lower paying jobs! To make matters worse, the low incomes earned have to be spread across an increasing population base - meaning less wealth and worsening poverty! To me it seems that the our black brothers/sisters are their own worst enemy! Thank you ANC, we can see where your greed and lack of leadership is leading this country to... so I ask, do you care?

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-05-25 02:35

      That was the amounts spent on education

      francis.braden - 2012-05-25 03:00

      Thando and Kagiso, I won't deny the fact that colonialism disenfranchised many, but my question to you is this: with the amount spent on education TODAY, why is it that blacks (generalization again) accept low standards and then complain about the resultant effect? There is a saying "those who demand the best often get it!" What group do you belong to?

      thando.ramncwana - 2012-05-25 07:56

      I belong to the group that went to Kingswood College and went on to UCT and who is now a successfull tenderpreneur.......

      Felix - 2012-05-25 08:14

      I think a big problem with all of us is we don't take criticism well, we just lash out instead of taking the advice, processing it and if it seems helpful well then use it to improve.

  • Mavhungu Vincent - 2012-05-25 01:58

    Who is the right person to run this country? Our country has been infected and we need to format it. All current party must be banned.

      Philip - 2012-05-25 02:11

      @Mavhungu Vincent Mr. Moeletsi Mbeki is more than competant and capable to run this country. The only problem that you don't see is all the facts that he already presented with his talks at the universities and the books he wrote. Not one South African politician wrote his own political or economic book; including the great Madiba, whom I have a lot of respect for as a fellow South African. All that's been written about them is BIOGRAPHY. How they did this and how they did that.... BLA BLA BLA..... Mbeki makes work for himself to study and analyze all that is going on, and sadly he is busy screaming with laughter looking at this joke of a party that is busy leading this beautiful nation into the underground.

      Mavhungu Vincent - 2012-05-25 08:53

      Maybe Him, but the rest are just the same. All they do is fighting and spotting one's mistake instead of findind solution.

      Daniel - 2012-05-25 10:07

      Heh Heh, Install Ubuntu (better kernel protection :P)

  • Dlamini - 2012-05-25 02:52

    Moeletsi Mbeki, I so wish one-day you will thank Sexwale for building a house of your parents in Dutywa from his own pocket while they raised you-up with all the good fortune and Education that kids of your home town don't have even today. You can put what you preach in-practise there in Dutywa by building a better school and give birth to these good economics you have in mind, your Uncle's English saying says "ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS" I respect that you cannot Thetha isiXhosa when you are in Eastern Cape where your mother-tounge originates from not this adopted mother tounge you speak today, remember all that you have today is becoz of this ANC you are denouncing today, those white folks around you are laughing at you as you try to be them as they wont change to be you.

      Bomb - 2012-05-25 06:46

      You are the shining example of a brainwashed anc voter. Always want someone else to do everything for you.

      Mfundi - 2012-05-25 09:42

      Dlamini, what you are saying is irrelevant and bogus. How exactly did Sexwale rais Mbeki? Look, you need to get away from this brain washed mentality that you currently possess. You can't just dismiss everything that is said because it is negative towards the ANC. Mbeki is an independent thinker, a visionary and a realist. You should actually get hold of his books and get informed. As a person you need look at our country and decipher the events that have occurred. You need to listen to arguments from all sides and then make up your mind using your own logic. Being a loyalist to the ANC is not going to help you, so rather be a loyalist to truth and reason. Don't worry about the people who comment on news 24 and bash you just because you disagree with them. Don't feel offended. Some of them are just as one dimensional as you are. Go and get yourself informed and then maybe you will make relevant comments that relate to the discussion at hand because you failed with this comment.

      Daniel - 2012-05-25 10:13

      I don't remember Mbeki criticising the ANC's involvement in the struggle, only their lack of success in running the country. All governments need calm headed rational people to evaluate their performance in a fair dispassionate way. If anything what Mbeki is doing works in the ANC's favour because if they address the issues he is bringing up, then they'll not only achieve more sincere support but they will run the country better - and every political party's primary objective should be successful government regardless of whether they are in charge or not. Its a higher calling beyond being partisan

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-05-25 03:48

    It is only those who are ill-informed but have access to internet who think Moeletsi has only become critical of the ANC-led government because of his brother's power exit. He has been critical to his brother as well and at one stage Thabo personalised this and got angry with him. I agree with Moeletsi's observations, the welfare state would be on its knees economically in less than ten years from now. Like Escom's black outs, the government has created a poverty cycle by giving money to those whose roles are just to give birth without productivity, child support grants. These create unnecessary burden to the gorvenment and the coffers would run dry soon. We tend to refer to race and history instead of finding practical solutions for our problems. We still blame colonialism and Western imperialism and look to China as the possible solution which is a suicidal hope. Colonisation through metamorphosis has come camouflage which African leaders cannot see. Yes, colonialist built their empires with our resources but they left behind more landmarks and running system which just need maintenance. China is just a colonialist of post-modern error benefiting from Africa's ignorance.

      zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-05-25 05:49

      I agree with you 100%

      toofaan.monsoon - 2012-05-25 06:46

      I agree with you completely too. All of this is fact. The only think Mr Mbeki has wrong is his last statement about going nowhere : it should actually say that we're going backward fast. For me there are really three challenges : 1. How to get the plain common sense that you've just mentioned across to the poor. 2. How to convince people that just owning a piece of (expropriated) land does not automatically better their lives (and they should work for it like anyone else) Never mind convincing them that all the arguments I see about ancestral land is nonsensical and racist seeing as the original land owners (weer) from far up Africa. 3. How to convince people that there is a possible better alternative to the current regime and managing a transition of power without undue bloodshed. This is really going to be difficult. The scary thing is that we're on a very finite timeline. Like Mbeki says, the coffers will soon run dry and there will then be bloodshed anyway because the masses who are being kept in the dark will blame the capitalists and working class rather than the real culprits (who happen to be the very people that they voted in to start with).

      Bomb - 2012-05-25 06:55

      Oh man, you are a bright shining light in a very big dark galaxy. You give me hope that there are people out there that realise the truth. The challenge is now to convince those around us to change it. Even if the anc rules for the next 100 years, at least cut out the rotten parts and throw it to the hyena's. This whole NEC, and provincial executive structures should be replaced. We need COMPETENT, CARING, LEADERS. The anc is at a stage where they need to seriously make some very big changes, otherwise we are heading for disaster.

      Christo - 2012-05-25 07:23

      A Minister position for you under Moeletsi, all we ask is people with insight, governing all for everybodies prosperity, well said.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-05-25 04:13

    In any business if you take out more than you put in you GO BUST !! The ANC needs to take heed! Moeletsi Mbeki is a MENSCH!

  • mokgoga - 2012-05-25 05:02

    The country has been on this downward spiral from the moment the ANC allowed big business to shove BEE down their throats in the beginning of democracy. By accepting the small pie in those big corporations, they tasted \le good life\ and immediately forgot about the masses. Since then, being in government has been mostly about trying to get a piece of the \pie\ by getting in on the next big deal. The poor have always been pacified by \projects\ from government that promise them a better future, but in reality keep them in the same situation they have always been in. South Africa is therefore headed towards an inevitable class war where the masses will revolt when they cannot be appeased with welfare. Then, it will be open season. And an \open season\ with a majority of uneducated, hungry youths is not one I particularly relish.

      Bomb - 2012-05-25 06:56

      Another shining light in the dark universe.

  • Chris - 2012-05-25 05:40

    Clearly from the comments one can see an emergence of the "i never voted for the ......" brigade. Facts are indisputable and once we weigh the ANC's record on delivery of that which the Constitution demands they are found wanting. Until the voters can ensure better government by changing who they vote for without fear we will never have a true democracy in our country.

  • Ally Rhandzeka - 2012-05-25 05:43

    mr mbeki a u stl angry at th anc bcouse of wat hapnd to u brothr.i wodr whch party do u blng to..da if i mgt ask?i hav never heard a postive analyst frm u.

  • Shades - 2012-05-25 05:58

    there are still people voting ZanuPF. That's the scary thing. Like other African countries we are voting ourselves down the drain.inability to speak sense to the poor is what must be addressed

  • charmaine.makofane - 2012-05-25 05:58

    One wonders whether is dis still freedom or its racism,tribalism, aprtheid disguised as freedom. The ANC needs to smell the coffee,before Jesus Christ comes back,they would hve long forgotten that they once ruled!

  • George - 2012-05-25 06:00

    And when did you actually notice this. Was it not the same 10 years ago. My take is all the corruption an poor state of the country happened in you brother's watch. He was deputy president since the dawn of democracy, then president for 2 terms. So who is your finger pointing at? Zuma has yet to complete a term.

      Malcolm - 2012-05-25 08:38

      He was critical of his brother as well. Perhaps you should research things and not just assume them.

  • Onkgopotse - 2012-05-25 06:03

    Whatever comes out of many ANC comrades dis days smells. Many ppl dont lyk it.....i ges dis guys are smoking somthing illegal in their meetings

      Bomb - 2012-05-25 06:58

      Haaaaaaaahahahahaha, well said!!!!

  • nofikathiniskeyi.eunice - 2012-05-25 06:13

    kwewu kwanuka oko apha kodwa inkwenkwe le isphetheyo ithi iyazi yenzani

      Andile - 2012-05-25 06:48

      Ungabiza njani umntu ophanse alingane no tata wakho ngenkwenkwe? Okanye nawe uzifunela umthondo wakhe nje qha? Or you are so experienced with penises that you dream about them at night?

  • Peter Zylstra - 2012-05-25 06:17

    Give that man sommer a case of Bells!!!!

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-05-25 06:18

    I agree completely the only way to uplift the people is through education , sadly the govt is not raising the standard of education , until education becomes a priority nothing will change

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-25 06:28

    Excellent analysis. He is not alone.

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-05-25 06:39

    It is a vicious cycle, they will come back again to the same structure, promises in 2014 an expect the poor to hand them majority rule to further continue where they left off. For those like me who will note vote unless there is change in leadership, I see the reduction in majority rule. That will be time for retrospect before me and my family, next of kin we vote again. Till then

  • Andile - 2012-05-25 06:39

    Rewind to pre-2008 I don't recall of any Moeletsi Mbeki's speech that blamed the ANC. Could it be coincidental that at that period in time Mr. Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki was the President of the ANC and that of the country? It is not as if all of a sudden in 2012 the ANC has become what Mbeki is insinuating, it has long been like this. And for your info Mr Mbeki, Capitalists will always run away, as soon as more mines run dry, get decommissioned, and have become more expensive to mine in them, Capitalists move on. We know that you are still bitter with what happened to your brother. Get a life dude, like how the rest of us are trying

      Amanda - 2012-05-25 07:16

      Google his name and you will see many clips of interviews even in the time period you are referring to. He has always spoken his mind. He is an intellectual, free thinker with many fascinating views. I admire him!

      mapudieric.morakiwamachacha - 2012-05-25 07:32

      shame on u ignorant andile. Moeletsi has always questiond nd criticizd de anc's policy position, even during his brada's tenure. He was de most outspoken individual 2 reprimand thabo abt his aids stndpnt, nd publishd a book lashing de anc unda thabo abt its economic policy.

      sango.jika - 2012-05-25 07:40

      Andile he did criticise Thabo the time he was a president. Maybe you where still asleep.

      kwezi.figlan - 2012-05-25 08:05

      Moeletsi Mbeki has been very critical even during his brother's time. It means u only started to follow politics yesterday just like the few fools like u. Before u make such comments equip urself with updated information than ill-informed comment.

  • Vince.York - 2012-05-25 06:39

    Different WORDS encapsulating what everyone has been stating for decades. This is precisely what happened in all other African countries, with only Angola currently raising it's head through the communistic quagmire of self indulgence and THAT purely because it has massive natural resources still highly in demand. Wise money follows wise, and a bureaucracy of mutual back-scrubbing tribals all looking up at the ancient royals to lead the way is instant failure (the cross roads we sit at today with zuma and his new anc cabal of traditional leaders wanting to decimate every progressive democratic right and possibility for HOPE for any individual). STRIP THE BLACK ELITE of "all" their wealth, and start a new redistribution of wealth TRULY amongst South Africans, because this "black elite" have tragically in no other words, ROBBED SOUTH AFRICA OF EVERYTHING. Not ONE of the average citizens I connect with bears any ill towards other races including whites BUT they see it worked for the political elite, and now want THEIR TURN AT THE EASY'. If you don't teach WITH VIGOR, the essences of personal financial control/responsibility to every SA'n and rid the country of the now all pervasive ABSOLUTE CONSUMERISM attitude with zero savings - no-one will ever succeed here. and do another think on that politically popular expedient "BEE and AA and BBBBEE and black only anything" because that is the biggest killer of this nation under the circumstances and drives the "Flight of Capital"

      Diego - 2012-05-26 15:47

      what about the white elite that benefited from apartheid and are still having billions that black elites can only dream about. Mr Mbeki does not approve of black people getting rich in essence he is saying black people must all be equal while white people must stay rich. No black is allowed to be rich according to him. If they are rich they are stilling from the poor or using the poor. if whites are rich they worked hard for it. ya right, whites stole everything and kept it. Lets not forget South Africa is the capitalist country. Even whites with all the years of economic freedom are not equal in their wealth state. Mr Mbeki’s mindset is typical of apartheid indoctrinated K***fer who only think the “Bass” is suppose to eat first and give the crumps to the blacks and they must share equally. That is the mentality of white people, black capitalist should be allow to exist as well and not be labelled as corrupt or antipoor just because they are black. They are turning rich black against poor black.

      Diego - 2012-05-26 15:49

      first come first serve we must strip white elite first and black elite after all the whites are stripped and back in Europe and they must take their indians with.

  • Pumelele - 2012-05-25 06:45

    I still find very strange that a person of his interlect Mr. Mbeki has always found problems in the system that his own brother had implimented before. In all his analysis he has always found problems and has given no solutions. This is the party(ANC) that he had work hard for it and i have not yet seen any drastic policy change from when he was in it. Makes me realy wornder what are his intentions about all this negative analysis about the leadership of this great party and government.

      robinson.sekwati.5 - 2012-05-25 07:20

      y didn't he say anything when his brother denied the existence of aids....hypocrite.....

  • john.scudder.50 - 2012-05-25 06:56

    When a prominent South African Leader is given the thumbs-up by what is apparently the white contingent it is surely a kiss of death for whatever political aspiration that individual may have had within the ANC.

  • LekkePerd - 2012-05-25 07:01

    Moeletsi for President!!!

  • pws69 - 2012-05-25 07:07

    We got the wrong Mbeki as President.

  • Christo - 2012-05-25 07:15

    I could follow him if he bacame President, always seems to be imparcialand get his point accross without stepping on toes. And seems he has good morals.

  • Prosper - 2012-05-25 07:16

    Black Elite and Black Underclass on the same side? All it means is that its Black people vs White then. And you don't have to be a political scholar to know that's how the South African political landscape is.

  • Mark - 2012-05-25 07:19

    You make so much sense yet the ANC insist on their half-baked idea that a socialistic government, full of self-serving parasites, can govern a capitalistic country. Perhaps you and your brother would be willing to create a political party capable of taking these thieves on, even an alliance between you 2, the DA and others. We need astute politicians, we've tried with the cretins and it's getting us nowhere. Think about it please.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 07:49

    Mr Mbeki, PLEASE< PLEASE joind the DA. People with your views can and will sort out the rot in this country.

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-25 07:50

    Let's see how long it takes before the cANCer labels Mr Mbeki as racist...I bet it will be today still

  • henkvdwatt - 2012-05-25 08:00

    The Times wrote "To further illustrate just how poorly the ANC has done at generating wealth solutions for its people over the past 18 years, consider Germany and Japan who at the end of World War II were completely decimated by the Allied bombings and were thus economically distraught. Neither had any industry, agriculture nor natural resources to generate wealth from, yet within 20 years both countries had uplifted themselves to being highly employed, economic powerhouses. Clearly both these governments achieved vastly more for their people with significantly less over a similar period of time and without disadvantaging any demographic. So the fact that after two decades of complete political control the ANC has failed to secure wealth generation systems for its people beyond affirmative action and nationalisation, well is that not the very definition of ineptocracy?"

      nobsta.zulu1 - 2012-05-25 08:20

      You seem to fail to understand why did those countries do so well? Its because they had wars. There was an actual full on war that rose from a dictatorship. Those dictators taught the people how to survive and th build. This is the history. If SA, God forbid, plunged into war it too would develop at the same rate afterwards. What you fail to understand from a historical, economic and legal point of view is that so what the politics changed hands? Power is in the actual wealth, those with money. That didn't exchange hands. In Germany the government was working with ALL resources. Here if you speak of nationalisation or equal distribution they go mad yet except ANC to do miracles?

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-05-25 08:42

      Use your damn mind, apply yourselves and create your own damn wealth! You are like kids that want to be spoonfed all the time!

      Diego - 2012-05-26 15:56

      Let’s not act like when you Apartheid masters were in charge you were all bill Gates and Mark’s of this world. You guys were a bunch of racists idiots who only cared about farming. Almost all the Apartheid era millionaires were guy from outside the country while you guys were here for over 200 just stilling our land and doing nothing creative. With the help of Openheimer the Jew from outside you took all our minerals raw and shipped them oversees. They only gave you enough money for braai and running your racist state. So stop claiming like you were richest country in the world and the most creative. You were dump then and you’re are still dumb now

  • Pfari - 2012-05-25 08:00

    ...hooo!! ,the precondition for take-off-that 'developmentalist fallacy'.