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Motion to shut down Mpuma 'hate camp'

2012-02-29 22:41

Johannesburg - A motion to shut down Afrikaner survivalist group Kommandokorps' "hate camp" was adopted by the Mpumalanga provincial legislature, the province said on Wednesday.

The Democratic Alliance's motion was adopted on Tuesday, provincial spokesperson Lebona Mosia said.

"We support it [the motion] and agree that this thing must be shut down," he said.

DA provincial leader Anthony Benadie said the motion was "a decisive victory in the fight against racism".

"Mpumalanga provincial police commissioner, Lieutenant General Thulani Ntombela [has been] requested to use every legal means available to him to shut down the camp, pending a full investigation into what is happening there," Benadie said in a statement.

"The house condemns racism of all kinds, both in this house and elsewhere in our province. The continued existence of this camp must be regarded as an affront to our democratic order, and it must be stopped now."

The Mail & Guardian reported on Friday that the Kommandokorps' instructors taught boys as young as 13 that there was a race war in the country and that South Africa's black population was the enemy.

Following an infantry-style curriculum, the youths were lectured by camp leader Franz Jooste, 57, on racial differences, which included a claim that black people had a smaller cerebral cortex than whites and could not take the initiative or govern effectively.

He was quoted as saying that aside from the aborigines in Australia, the African black was the "most under-developed, barbaric member of the human race".

On Monday, Jooste denied the reports.

"No utterances of hate speech are ever made. Cadets are taught to love their own language, culture, traditions, religions and race. That is in the Constitution," he said in a statement.

Benadie said the training took place on a farm outside Carolina in Mpumalanga.

"It is not a permanent camp or militant base, and the owners of the farm hold no connection to the Kommandokorps," he said.

"While the DA motion is now a resolution of the legislature and must be implemented, the DA has already traced and interacted directly with the owners of the farm, and appealed to them not to allow further Kommandokorps training or activities to take place at their facilities."

Comments
  • Mantsho - 2012-02-29 23:05

    l was very shocked to read about this camp, close it down as soon as possible.we dont need things like this, some of are trying very hard to live together in peace.

      Belinda En Jan-Louis Venter - 2012-02-29 23:38

      i agree that this camp must be shut down but not only this camp but also the ancyl camps to. thy post just as big a fret to sa as joste's camps we need to learn from the past Hitler made war with the world using race as a tool and means to get people to follow him. its time for people from both sites (black and white) to relies that God made all men equal we are brothers and sisters we are all south africans.

      John - 2012-03-01 05:21

      All camps....if we closing that one down, I want to see the ANCYL camps also down.

      Gerald - 2012-03-01 06:37

      Where are the ancyl camps? or what was rumour has now become fact

      Barry - 2012-03-01 06:47

      Hate speech is wrong by any standard and the camps should be closed if the allegation is true. However this now becomes very difficult when there are double standards. It is very different when Malema spouts his hate speech in public, no action is taken and he is free to rant his hatred to the ANCYL. This is equally as bad as the race camp and was allowed to spread the hatred on a much wider scale. Until there is equality the antagonism will continue. To solve a problem level ground is needed. It's acceptable for one but not the other appears to be the order of the day.

      Onke Tshaka - 2012-03-01 07:18

      @Belinda, we need more white people like u in this country...

  • Bokfan - 2012-02-29 23:13

    Shut it down. NOW!!!

  • Jacques - 2012-02-29 23:23

    Hang on the Mail and Gaurdian posted an artical and now there is a motion to close it down. Now if the media want to be silenced through proposed bad or inaccurate publicity then how come is the Mail and Gaurdians artical taken as fact. First investigate then proove, then shut down. I will be the first to support shutting it down but should this not be investigated first by the people passing the motion. Yes DA i am one of your members. Act on what creates instability but for heavens sake first look into it at least. You are now jumping on the same band wagon the ANC does. Honestly I do think something is up with this camp but we live in a country where one needs to proove the guilt before motions are passed. If we do not do this you are following the ANC rule of acting before thinking

      Lloyd - 2012-03-01 00:54

      Didn't you see the video? What more must they investigate?

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-01 01:52

      Watch the M&G 8 min long video yourself, then decide if such crap should be tolerated in a progressive country.

      Itumeleng Ramaila - 2012-03-01 04:09

      who said it wasnt proven Jacques? we live in a democratic country governed by a constitution thats intolerable to such camps. so i am sure procedures will be followed

      Barry - 2012-03-01 06:54

      Johannesburg - A rightwing Afrikaner (substitute Malelma here) camp in Mpumalanga is teaching boys as young as 13 that the black (substitute white here)population in South Africa is the enemy, according to a report on Friday. Now I think everything has been placed clearly in perspective.

      Jacques - 2012-03-03 00:57

      Thanks Lloyd i just saw the video. Did not know it existed. This is not suited for our our country and a wholey agree with to shut it down. I think people are allowed their opinion. What they are not allowed to do is trample our flag and incite violence and seperatism with our kids. I am Afrikaans but this guy Jooste has his head stuck in 1982. It cant be justified with what the ANCYL is doing in their camps as two wrongs dont make it right. Itumeleng i did not see the video. If i had my comment would have been short. Close it down

  • Anthony - 2012-02-29 23:31

    why? they dont carry on like some youth camps (ancyl)

      Itumeleng Ramaila - 2012-03-01 04:11

      Anthony u sounding retarded right now

  • Tim - 2012-03-01 00:09

    If this is true and this camp is supporting racist and derogatory education reinforced with military training, it needs to be shut down straight away! South Africa is a country of reform and not violence and backward eduction. Just as we are angered by Malema's ways, so should we be by this absurb and racist school! This cannot continue in our country. When will we move on with the heart of our nation's hero?

      Onke Tshaka - 2012-03-01 07:36

      thumbs up Tim, well said buddy...hope there were more intelligent people like urself out there

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-03-01 03:28

    Typical afrikaanerz, they give a bad name 2 tha white race, dont they have farms to run or sumthng instead of venting out their pathetic racist resentments.

      Belinda En Jan-Louis Venter - 2012-03-01 05:58

      lumko your statement in it self is racist and generalization not all afrikaaners has the same mind set.

      Jacques - 2012-03-03 01:11

      You see Lumko your comment is exaclty what drives the sane insane. The defenition of Racims starts with generalization. Issue is you are the racist with your blanket statement. If all Afrikaaners were racist i should have stood and watched a black man drown while his friend were laughing at the beach in 2010. I was the only one who went in to help him while your brothers were laughing. I ran trough hundreds of black people and swam out to sea. I found him on the bottom of the ocean and braught him back up to surfice. We both almost drowned but I managed to keep us above water until the life guards arrived.I was taken to hospital and was put on oxygen tanks. My little three year old watched this as i had to give him to a stranger to watch. Now Please Lumko make your blanket statement again about Afrikaaners. Now Lumko would you have done the same for one of my brothers

  • Lumko Ntshinka - 2012-03-01 03:28

    Typical afrikaanerz, they give a bad name 2 tha white race, dont they have farms to run or sumthng instead of venting out their pathetic racist resentments.

      braamc - 2012-03-01 05:59

      @Lumko. It is certainly not typical. The contribution and transformation by "Afrikaners" is huge in this country. This should be shut down, there is plenty "movements"/ radical various not only racial based but also "sects" that cause harm e.g. ANCYL to society in general

  • Pieter - 2012-03-01 04:28

    Great, so next in their sights to shut down should be ANCYL where it's preached the whites are enemies...

  • Marco Veltman - 2012-03-01 05:25

    I thnk its da best news i heard this week 2 shutdwn this camp stop a new afrikaner volk racism regime.

  • Marco Veltman - 2012-03-01 05:25

    I thnk its da best news i heard this week 2 shutdwn this camp stop a new afrikaner volk racism regime.

      Saamprater - 2012-03-01 06:32

      As we all agree that racism have no place in our democratic dispensation, howcome does the DA and ANC promulgate and support laws based on race? Is the one's racism worse than the other's racism? In my book there is one description for racism, why act one one and not the other? Racism is racism, no matter who the perpetrator is.

  • braamc - 2012-03-01 05:52

    Close it down, no place for this in our society

  • Saamprater - 2012-03-01 06:30

    As we all agree that racism have no place in our democratic dispensation, howcome does the DA and ANC promulgate and support laws based on race? Is the one's racism worse than the other's racism? In my book there is one description for racism, why act one one and not the other? Racism is racism, no matter who the perpetrator is.

  • Wimpy - 2012-03-01 06:53

    it's racist when it's white.shoot the boer bring me my gun is culture.

      modo - 2012-03-01 07:49

      'Shoot the boer' was ruled as hate speech, it's not as if that is acceptable behaviour either. Both are racist.

  • Orapeleng Molosiwa - 2012-03-01 07:25

    Hoooraaaaah,burn it down!

  • modo - 2012-03-01 07:43

    Can't we all agree that all such camps and any overtly racist activities such as this are simply unacceptable? I'm tired of scrolling through the comments for such articles and seeing how almost every person tries to justify their side of the argument while completely condemning the other side which is doing the exact same thing. If the ANCYL camps do indeed exist, the only viable solution is to get them shut down as soon as possible. Creating an opposition militaristic movement similarly fuelled by misinformation and hate is simply not constructive - unless we want our country to descend into civil war. All of these camps are totally reprehensible. We need to get rid of these camps and this type of thinking in our country if we ever want a chance of moving forward.

  • Damian - 2012-03-01 09:04

    One thing is true though, Africa is the most underdeveloped continent against the rest of the world and is the only continent on the planet that as a Human Development Index of below medium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index We must also come to realize that in spite of how wrong Apartheid was (and I do condemn it) it is also the reason why South Africa is one of the richest places in Africa even if it cannot compete against the world and before I get alot of thumbs down, let me reiterate: I condemn Apartheid. We as South Africa are too fixed on being of different race instead of being of unity as Proudly South African. People of nations such as Americans will die for their country and take their flags everywhere with them, we have the most colourful country and flag yet we don't take it with us. #Proudly South African

  • Katlego - 2012-03-01 10:01

    I feel sorry for the kids and what their parents are doing to them

  • Deon - 2012-03-02 21:45

    Why is this being raised? Because the ANC is trying to hide the facts behind the military-training scheme of the ANC youth league, called “Narysec”, where by 8000 ANCYL members between the ages 18 and 35 are being trained at SANDF bases across the country. No whites are or have been included in this program. An answer is still forthcoming from the minister of defense Lindiwe Sisulu to reveal the manner of recruitment of these youth-militias. Also why do the blacks attend initiation schools where they tortured and are taught to steal and also discriminate against the whites. Why are not the initiations schools being closed down?

  • Deon - 2012-03-02 21:56

    Also do not forget that the "Narysec" recruits are initiated into the Uhuru-movement run by the “African Peoples Socialist Party”, which broadcasts a constant stream of anti-White European and anti-Semitic hatespeech all over the world.

  • Zakhele Nkhosi - 2012-03-08 12:57

    Way to go DA!

  • David Cobbald - 2015-06-18 23:08

    The ANC and DA must be sure to close down the ANCYL and MK military training camps. Always it is only side targeted, accused of racism but not the other. What they doing in the MK etc camps, teaching them interior decorating? I don't think so!

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