Mulder: Ratepayers shouldn't pay taxes

2011-04-16 21:35

Pretoria - Ratepayers should be not have to pay taxes or their taxes should be reduced if municipalities do not deliver services, Freedom Front Plus leader Pieter Mulder said on Saturday.

Speaking at the launch of the party's election manifesto in Centurion, Mulder said that the newly implemented Consumer Protection Act (CPA) gave consumers the right not to pay or to pay less for services or goods not properly delivered.

"We want to push this principle that if I pay taxes I must get services. Why must I pay if I don't get something back?"

He said the FF Plus would be encouraging people to use the CPA to have their taxes reduced if they did not get the requisite standard of service.

He said most problems South Africans complained about were problems of local government.

He said the current policy of government to merge local government entities was taking local government away from the people.

"Mega cities do not work. In the Free State you have five dorpies that are 100km apart. That does not work."

"Local government needs to be close to the people."

The FF Plus would, he said, enter in coalitions at local government level, but never with the ANC.

  • beicime - 2011-04-16 21:49

    It's a good point since taxes are paid for services in return and not just to pay salaries.

      edvermaak - 2011-04-16 22:59

      I would take it one step further.Actually a few steps. Consider this - what are the rates and taxes intended for? Roads? Pavements? Drainage? Hell man , none of these function. So let's stop paying - None of it is being provided. If you stop paying, nothing is gonna change!

      Frungy - 2011-04-17 04:01

      @beicime - Not really. If I pay R50 000 in taxes I don't receive R50 000 in services directly. Some of it goes to shared services like street lights, some of it goes to others, like low cost housing... and of course about 80% goes to luxury cars, parties, and other corruption.

      antonbar - 2011-04-17 08:27

      Excellent idea. We should not only boycott local rates and taxes but also income tax (if you have your own business for example) because we should not be paying for non-existent policing, amongst others. Doing so would be much more effective than applying wishful thinking and hoping idiot ANC voters would vote for somebody else. The minute large enough numbers of taxpayers stop paying, is the minute when corruption and plunder will grind to a halt. Let us transform the simian ANC cadres out of there seven-series and into the pedestrians these tree-dwellers deserve to be.

  • johncarlos.biza - 2011-04-16 22:01

    Where will he get his salary from? But seriously, communities should have some kind of organization with a local lawyer taking care of these things. If I end up at a typical ANC town one day(lord forbid), I wouldn't pay for their crap

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-16 22:18

      "Where will he get his salary from?" That's the point! If he's going to earn a salary, he's going to have to deliver said services. Simple, innit? Now, if the ANC can do the same, before stealing all the money before it gets anywhere...I might just vote for them. But they do, so I don't.

      WIZZ - 2011-04-16 22:21

      It will get messy. what if I don't pay the Municipality for electricity cos Eskom keeps implementing rolling blackouts and I feel pissed. The municpality will merely cut off the electricity I do get. And who will pay my legal costs, reconnection fees and all the crap that goes with it all? Until the ANC improves or is booted out for better service delivery, we are all screwed, Consumer Act or not, unless you have a big wallet and can take them to court

      Redwine - 2011-04-17 07:17

      I am seriously confused that we have constant complaints about service delivery, even bloody demonstrations yet they still win elections easily. Tells me there are a heck of a lot of people happy or you guys are`nt voting. Please tell me you are voting and actively canvassing for votes or SHUT UP!!

  • Marius - 2011-04-16 22:11

    Dan, na die verkiesing is die ANC weer OK of is ek verkeerd, werk Pieter Mulder nie vir die ANC nie?????

      william.botha - 2011-04-16 22:18

      FF Plus Marius LOL. Hy sal bommelakiesie slaan as hy hoor jy se dit.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-16 22:21

      Huh? Pieter Mulder? Doktor Pieter Mulder? Die Vryheidsfront Plus se Doktor Pieter Mulder? Of verstaan ek jou nou verkeerd?

      Carl Muller - 2011-04-17 05:21

      Pieter het nog nooit ANC gestem nie. Hy is 'n pos aangebied. En hy doen uitestekende werk. Of wil jy liewer 'n persoon daar sien wat nie aan die boere se kant is nie.

      Nico - 2011-04-17 07:40

      Hoe kry ek die idee dan nou dat volwasse mense oningelig is oor politiek en dan ook n eier wil lê? Mnr.Mulder sal NOOIT vir ANC stem nie. Carl Muller jy is reg wat jy sê.

  • WIZZ - 2011-04-16 22:17

    Good one Pieter. How does one prove what services are not being delivered? Post pictures of potholes and uncollected waste on FaceBook!!

  • edvermaak - 2011-04-16 22:54

    A simple solution. Do NOT pay your rates. Take your own refuse to a designated site. And build a septic tank. Much cheaper - I promise.

      edvermaak - 2011-04-16 22:55

      And if you do it yourself you have a 99% chance of it working.

  • Their There - 2011-04-16 23:07

    At the time of this post, the above article started with "Ratepayers should be not have to pay taxes or their taxes should be reduced if municipalities do not deliver services...." NEWS24, edit your articles before posting please, because your bad standards are affecting the credibility of your entire service. An obvious mistake on the third word of an article is an indication of your lack of final editing. Please, for heaven's sake, introduce some quality control.

      edvermaak - 2011-04-16 23:20

      Agreed- poor language - but the message remains. I understood it.

      edvermaak - 2011-04-16 23:20

      Don't shoot the.....

  • Accountant - 2011-04-16 23:18

    Who is the freedom front? Is that the party where the leader is a deputy minister? Shame he must seriously think that he still got a party!

      edvermaak - 2011-04-16 23:23

      I am not a FF supporter per se. And your point is? At least these guys are prepared to put their balls on the choppng block - what will YOU do to make a change?

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-04-17 01:06

      @edvermaak Read Their There's comment below and you will understand.

  • Their There - 2011-04-16 23:27

    Mr Mulder, you have the credibility of .... well... a politician. You are a person of no principles and your call for action is hollow. How do you expect us to take anything that you say seriously after you have sold your principles for a bowl of lentl soup? A lack of judgement seems to be a genetic problem here. Bugger off and go and write a Phd on children's games or something similar. I herewith award you the Marthinus van Schalkwyk medal for holding up political principles. Enjoy.... jou mislike Afrikanerd. Jy sal nie politieke beginsels herken as jy daaroor struikel nie. Protes-politiek is die toevlug van die swakkeres. So min as wat ek van die DA hou, het hulle ten minste 'n "track-record" in Kaapstad om aan te bied. Jy is ideologies meer bankrot as die ANC, en ek sal eerder vir hulle stem as vir jou.

      Their There - 2011-04-17 00:14

      Jou politieke voorgangers in die NP, KP, VF en Volkstaatparty was... 1. Jou pa, die een wat die Phd in kinderspeletjies gehad het (regtig mense, ek lieg nie.....), en die inligtingskandaal in die 70's georkestreer het. 2. Mense wat met 'n ou blou Mercedes en 'n 9mm wou gaan oorlog maak in Bophuthatswana voor 1994. 3. Chris Hani vermoor het en amper die land in 'n burger-oorlog gedompel het op 10 April 1993. 4. Die Nirvana van 'n "volkstaat" nagestreef het terwyl enigiemand met 'n IK van meer as 92 kon besef dat dit 'n grap is, en dat julle net deur die maghebbers geduld word omdat julle aan die malletjies 'n tuiste bied en dat hulle julle op die manier onder beheer kan hou - solank nodig, voordat julle tot so 'n mate gemarginaliseer is dat hulle nie oor julle hoef te worry nie. Mr Mulder, you and your political party are the butt-end of jokes, and you would be better off if you spend the last 20 years of your life by just shutting up and corresponding with like-minded people like Mr Jean-Marie Le Penn's followers and Sancho Panza and other fairy-tale characters (Spider-man, Bat-man and the AWB stooges comes to mind). You and your party are political light-weights that offer a home to the retards and un-informed. En jy is 'n embarrassment vir my as wit Afrikaanse persoon, want jy en jou volgelinge word voorgehou as 'n verpersoonliking van die dom Afrikaner beeld wat sommige so graag wil voorhou. Hoe voel dit om met windmeulens te baklei mnr Mulder? Hallo, kom af aarde toe

      AJ - 2011-04-17 04:18

      Your negative views of the man and/or personal dislike does not necessarily make what he said wrong though does it?

      Foxilass - 2011-04-17 06:27

      Goodness me! How much have YOU been paid by the ANC?

      W H Kotze - 2011-04-17 07:25

      Their, are you all There? Klaarblyklik het jy die klok hoor lui, maar jy weet nie waar die klepel hang nie. Why don't you check your facts on (1)the "inligtingsskandaal", (2)Gen Viljoen, the former leader of the FF's role in Bophuthatswana, (3)the political affiliation of Hani's assassins, (4)and who brokered the power sharing agreement in Cape Town, and the political affiliation of chairman of that council? If, once you have done that, you still want to vote DA or ANC, you can claim the tag of "dom Afrikaner" all for yourself.

      allie - 2011-04-17 08:10

      En wat doen jy meneer,behalwe praat.?Tipies van n dom afrikaner.So gou as iemand opstaan en leiding wil neem ,dan word hy deur sy medemens afgekraak.So is die ou voortrekkers ook verdeel en deur die vyand afgemaai.Mulder veg vir jou witgat meneer.

  • Moeketsi - 2011-04-16 23:55

    Citizens should pay for services rendered only.No service No pay.

      Joe_Massahar - 2011-04-17 01:07

      Agreed. Vote DA!!!

  • mmm stuff - 2011-04-17 00:29

    Good idea but the ANC's power of corruption will hopefully only see us free in 10 years time. People who are not educated are CEO's of the police, where there are police officers 30 years in the field.(it is scary) We can only pray o GOD that 1 day we won't be the MURDER CAPITAL and that rape has gone done to a low 10%. I VOTE DA and will continue to do so. The people who vote for the ANC are so ignorant. It shows every 4 years when they just keep on voting for them. Then they moan every year on the same thing. By now they should have access to Google, why don't they Google the word ignorant. God bless us in SA, while CORRUPTION is still in power.

  • Liberale - 2011-04-17 01:52

    Dankie adjunk anc minister. Niemand glo enigiets wat jy meer se nie. Het FF gestem in die verlede, maar gaan nou eerder vir die tannie wat toitoi en goed laat gebeur

      W H Kotze - 2011-04-17 07:33

      Why not go all the way and vote ANC? Why settle for half measures?

  • Ni-hao - 2011-04-17 04:47

    I am rather going to vote with my heart. I am going to vote for that really attractive lady in the DA. I find her attractive. When she opens her mouth its like she is speaking directly to me. She inspires me and arouses me at the same time. She mite be older than me but I reckon that she is a real fox. She comes with experience. You all saw the photos of her dancing the other day. She's still got it! I would give anything just to have one date with her. At the end of the night I would walk her to her door, remove her glasses and kiss her softly on her lushes lips. She's got spunk!!!!!

  • BigD - 2011-04-17 06:34

    With this strike by Pikitup. Will Johannesburg reduce my bill for each time my rubbish is not picked up? No, they will not. What can I do about it. One of the main reasons there is little service delivery is structers within the municipalities and the high salaries paid. Once the salaries are paid there is very little left to provide services to the communities. Unless the ruling party forces their workers in municipalities and government to have better work ethics and pay market related salaries (and high car allowences) things will nevr improve. many of the municipalities we live in are bankrupt as we speak.

  • Brieuse - 2011-04-17 07:15

    I'll be deducting the times Pikitup hasn't shown up this month. I'll pay everything else.

      tryanything - 2011-04-17 09:28

      Do you recieve 1 rates bill with all the Rates,Water, Together?? If So bottom line is you have to pay the full amount. Any excuse to add an amount to your bill becomes a disaster. Getting it reversed is horrible if not impossible. Remember When you vote.

      Brieuse - 2011-04-17 12:57

      Nope, just rates. Nicely itemised. Pikitup is itemised on its own

  • Dingaan - 2011-04-17 08:59

    The ANC (Cosato) retard who wants to be mayor in the City of Cape Town doesn't understand this concept at all. Apparently he wants to lay a charge of fraud against the DA because he claims the DA governed council only spends money (thereby providing services) in the rich suburbs and that they ignore the poor. Firstly this isn't true. In the Cape the poor get better service delivery than the ANC oppressed poor. The point is that money has to come from somewhere. You have to have money coming in in order to enable an outflow. So if services in the "rich" suburbs are not provided and the "rich" stop paying there rates and taxes there will be no income. Then there will be no money to spend on the "poor" to provide services. Simple as that. ALL TAXES COME FROM THE "RICH". Is this hard to understand??

  • Dingaan - 2011-04-17 09:06

    The ANC (Cosato) retard who wants to be mayor in the City of Cape Town doesn't understand this concept at all. Apparently he wants to lay a charge of fraud against the DA because he claims the DA governed council only spends money (thereby providing services) in the rich suburbs and that they ignore the poor. Firstly this isn't true. In the Cape the poor get better service delivery than ANC oppressed poor enjoy. The point is that money has to come from somewhere. You have to have money coming in in order to enable expenditure. So if services in the "rich" suburbs are not provided and the "rich" stop paying their rates and taxes there will be no income. Then there will be no money to spend on the "poor" to provide services. ALL THE INCOME COMES FROM THE "RICH"!!!

  • Sword&Cross - 2011-04-17 09:07

    ZUMA WANTS CENTRALIZED POWER Like any tribal goon who wants to be a king, and has instructed his lackeys (Sicelo the cuckolded shiceka) to ensure the municipalities are subjected to all unqualified traditional goons the past few years in order to achieve this destruction.

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  • tryanything - 2011-04-17 09:18

    What I do When these Turkeys piss me off is to pay my account a little later every month just keeping my nose clean by making full payment but a little later than the due date. Maybe this a bit weak but I Cannot afford to have my services cut off yet(and then reinstated at inflated costs).Small protest by one Big by Many....

  • Tseleng - 2011-04-17 09:41

    Whatever, mulder if it please your minority group so be it.

      clark - 2011-04-17 09:52

      - Just a small point to consider Tseleng - minority in numbers yes,but a vast majority monetary power.

  • Marwinsing - 2011-04-17 12:43

    The only way to kill this beast is to turn off the money taps.

  • annie.kalahari - 2011-04-17 13:03

    Ratepayers can also get together and declare a legal dispute with their municipal officials, go to court to obtain a Section 139c Administration Order – and that gives ratepayer-assocations the legal right to stop paying their taxes and rates directly into the accounts of fraudulent, incompetent municipalities. Ratepayer assocations placed under Section 139c administration orders can also legally set up Trust accounts to administrate their own financial affairs; they can legally take over the municipal offices and appoint their own municipal-services. And most important: they can fire their fraudulent, incompetent officials. Thuis was already done countrywide by more than 120 ratepayers associations by the end of 2010 thanks to a groundbreaking February 2010 High Court ruling in Port Elizabeth in favour of four taxpayers in the Kirkwood Ratepayers Association, who demanded the right to fire their incompetent city manager. article on: National Taxpayer Union of SA:

  • MrSpiderman - 2011-04-17 16:06

    Rikasrus - Randfontein! Your Dad will turn around in his grave, whilst you riding the train! Remember our days at the Connie Mulder centre? Thought so!

  • Stephen Berry - 2011-05-05 23:11

    A pyramid scheme is considered illegal unless it is based on the follwing according to legislation: 1)It must be a leagally registered Buisness. 2)It must be a broken chain and not be endless. 3)It must provide a service or goods of value to the member. 4)It must be able to operate even without the monthly fees of its members. If it is not conforming to step 3 and Im sure 4 as well. It basically complies to an illegal pyramid scheme as far as Im concerned.

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