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Name changes need compromises - DA

2012-05-06 22:59

Johannesburg - The names of streets and places should aim to reconcile and unite, rather than divide and this requires compromise all round, the DA said on Sunday.

We believe that the names of places and streets in towns and cities should reflect all its residents’ histories and heroes," Democratic Alliance (DA) leader Helen Zille said in a statement.

"As [Nelson] Mandela said, names and symbols should not be the terrain of “petty revenge” or defensiveness... We must acknowledge our discriminatory and unjust past, and genuinely seek to develop inclusive cities, where all feel welcome."

Zille said Mandela's gesture of magnanimity carried an inherent risk.

"Some South Africans began to equate reconciliation with the preservation of the status quo, conveniently exempting themselves from the challenge of reciprocal generosity."

She said this mind-set still exists in some quarters.

"A topical example involves the naming of streets and places in towns and cities across South Africa."

Zille said that as the "street names” controversies escalate in towns and cities across the province, they should be approached as an opportunity to promote reconciliation – or division.

Zille made proposals regarding the name changes.

She said streets and places should not be named after living politicians, with the exception of Nelson Mandela who symbolised the drive towards reconciliation.

Secondly she said first seek to “name” before “re-naming”.

Zille added that it would be easier and more desirable to change names that do not stir intense emotions.

Comments
  • jabu.frans - 2012-05-06 23:28

    madness.

      Gareth - 2012-05-07 09:03

      Name changes are debatable in terms of whether they are right or wrong, depends entirely on which side of the fence you sit. What a road is called is of little matter to me, what is however, is the sheer length of these names. When it comes to not thinking at all,not even a little bit, then the SA Ruling Party have outdone themselves. Some of the roads are over ten syllables long, what kind of a idiot think sup that a as convenient, intelligent way to "progress" the nation. If the point was to acknowledge hero's of the past (again a debatable topic) then why call a road something so long that you cannot read it in the time the robot is red for. Instead of DR LANGALIBALELE DUBE ST (that is a mouthful of significance) why not call is Langa Street or Dube Street, or DR Drive.... Why not make it logical, sensible, practical and useful? Instead make it laborious, tedious and at the very least make it impossible for a Garmin to ever pronounce.

      Nemiforhersake - 2012-05-07 16:56

      You mean less African...?

      Gareth - 2012-05-07 23:56

      @Craig - I actually have no idea what you are saying, I have re-read it a few times and placed myself as all kinds of persons who make up this country and still it makes no sense. What I can gather is that "you" or "we" or "us", but all inclusive of "you", were here first - so well done on that achievement, what a feat indeed, you should let someone know and gain the accolades for such notoriety. Secondly it appears as through your good grace other people are allowed to exist and once again you should be applauded, but this time for such a kind gesture, to think of how much of your time you need to allocate to not ridding "you", "we" or "us" (I am really not sure) of the oppressive spawn must certainly be staggering, so congrats on that too. Lastly, you mention compromise, or rather the lack of enthusiasm on your part to indulge in it. Perhaps when you next glance upon the world from the lofty heights you have obviously achieved you may notice, I have serious doubts you will but you may in any event, that your life is filled with compromise in every facet of being in, with, on or around other living things, spawn or not. This aside I still cant work out what on earth your point is.

      Gareth - 2012-05-08 00:11

      @Nemiforhersake - In case your line was directed at my comment, my answer is no, not less African. Just less painfully long, poorly thought out choices for the names of stretches of tar. 1st Avenue works well, High Street, Beach Road etc all seem to work fine. African, btw, is an extremely subjective term based entirely on your own opinion. They are roads, not propaganda tools for either side of any political spectrum. You can debate the actual names all you like, none of it matters really when the purpose of name of a road is to be able to provide directions that are easy to follow and when you say: Turn Left off the ALBERT LUTHULI HIGHWAY into ARCHIE GUMEDE PLACE, then right again into CURNICK NDLOVU HIGHWAY, follow that past, KRISHNA ABILAL RD, LENA AHRENS RD, LENNY NAIDU DR., LILIAN NGOYI RD, M L SULTAN RD, MAGWAZA MAPHALALA ST, MAHATMA GANDHI RD, MARGARET MNCADI AVE and turn right into SANELE NXUMALO LA. and you will find our building on the cnr of QASHANA KHUZWAYO RD and MASABALALA YENGWA AVE ..... You get my point, unless you feel saying turn right off the M4, left onto West, cross 1st until 7th and turn right into Beach and you will find the office at the corner of Arch and Bald Road, Is More confusing to the general public, tourists and visitors. Its a road, give it a road name, not an exercise in linguistics.

  • Geronimo - 2012-05-06 23:51

    Viva Helen Zille Viva! Continue to preach what is the obvious to all but the blind masses of unintelligent, small minded and revenge-driven sheeple. Viva Pretoria Viva! Viva Edwin Swales Viva! Viva Nelspruit Viva! Viva Nelson Mandela Viva! Viva reconciliation and harmony viva! Viva one country FOR ALL Viva!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-18 05:51

      I hardly consider you voting for you party of choice if you vote based on loyalty. You're contradicting yourself, anyway. Why is it wrong, by your own reasoning, if informed black people vote DA?

  • Ted - 2012-05-07 00:10

    Viva Captain. There were a number of people among us who were now believing that the status quo would prevail and people would just forget. You deserve a Bols! You have balls captain. Some were conveniently hiding behind crime rates etc as an excuse that the renamings are a waste of taxpayers money. Some who didn't pass a single Maths subject were now suddenly good telling us how much it would cost viz building schools, hospitals etc. Its like they really care. However, they have never paused to think how costly a divided society really is. Give Madame Zille a Bols Brandy!

  • Lerato - 2012-05-07 00:23

    What about names like Wybrand du Toit, Christoffel Breytenbach and Adam Helberg.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-07 08:32

      Are they street names........and related to the topic?

      Lerato - 2012-05-07 08:51

      Are you?

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-07 09:36

      The Du Toit name? Gladly not!!!!!!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 14:51

      Lerato, something wrong with your brain?. You are stuck in repeat mode.

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 00:25

    At least Ms Zille is not saying that name change should be ignored and rather use the funds for something else. She is proving once again that she knows better than many news24 readers. She knows that name change is important and key part of transformation and reconciliation. She however is losing the plot around whom the street and cities should be named after. The only history of white people that we can remember is apartheid and unfortunately we wont name streets after apartheid architects. We wont hear from Ms Zille whose name to use or not to. She should humbly shut her mouth or begin the same process in WC and implement all her "good ideas" there. We won't treat Mr Mandela as an exception, he never fought alone for our liberation. So, Mrs Zille please keep your sick advices for WC while your leadership still last there.

      Geronimo - 2012-05-07 00:31

      What did Edwin Swales have to do with Apartheid? Or Sailor Malan? Or Jan Smuts? What about George Grey, Henry Bartle Frere or Sir Henry Barkly? Or Paul Kruger? Or Cecil John Rhodes? Or any of the Groot trekkers? Or Jan Van Riebeeck? Zilch. Nada. Niks. Stop displaying your lack of intelligence.

      Warren - 2012-05-07 01:21

      Siya....and \Broadway\ In Durban North, to \swapo\...now is that antagonistic or what?

      Warren - 2012-05-07 01:21

      Siya....and \Broadway\ In Durban North, to \swapo\...now is that antagonistic or what?

      Peter - 2012-05-07 08:45

      So what your saying is the ANC isnt providing children with education. Since theres more to white history than aparthied, guess you also forgot that the Khoisan where here before you? Its convenient to forget the truth isnt it?

      Andres - 2012-05-07 08:48

      @siyadyosiba Have you even bothered to look at the Cape Town renaming process and policy and who's being honoured in proposed renaming... No, you obviously haven't, because it would not support your narrow view that Helen Zille has some white-racial agenda!

      Peter - 2012-05-07 09:03

      @annman said like a true champ!

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:05

      @Annman, we wont be fooled by Hellen and her racist WC. Hellen is obviously pushing the agenda of white people aeverybody can see that.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 14:53

      Geronimo, maybe they are part of the white man's history. Do you think he doesn't have a right to such a thing?.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 14:54

      Siyadybosa, and you are , as usual, pushing your black agenda down our throats.

      ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-05-07 15:33

      U are just a hopeless citizen bro, sorry. We will pray for u

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 15:40

      @ndyebo, please elaborate.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 15:41

      @jacqui, we are pushing a democracy agenda. if it suits blacks more that's no problem, its democracy afterall.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-18 05:53

      Actually, your wrong. In a democracy, no policy supports ANYONE ** MORE **. It supports EVERYONE ** EQUALLY **. So you've just proven that people like you confuse Afrodictohyponepocracy with the western concept of Democracy.

  • Pule - 2012-05-07 00:29

    Beatrix street and church street are already changed,I suggest you call Mandela to come and desist us...Oh why don't they change Esselen street to Osama bin laden?

      Kathleen - 2012-05-07 10:07

      What exactly was offensive and hurtful in the name "Church Street"? Please explain.

      Paul - 2012-05-08 05:42

      Yeh, could we have an answer from the previosley diadvantaged folk why names like this(church st) have to be changed ? because im just not getting it.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-18 05:55

      Easy. It refers to Church. Church implies the God of Christians. And that God, to the ANC, offends the God of the Ancestors, the 'Nkosi' we sing about.

  • Johan - 2012-05-07 00:47

    Change Verwoerd street in all towns. Change it to the name of a flower or an animal. Then spend money on something that will help the poor and create jobs. Simple as that.

  • Judy Judeel Heyns - 2012-05-07 02:06

    Why is everyone trying to re-invent the wheel? Leave the names as they are... How about government work on the fraud issues within government and we'll be able to settle debt and have a stronger economy. Instead they go off changing street and city names. Useless waste of money!!!!

      lerato.monareng.9 - 2012-05-07 11:51

      You whites are not fair to us black people. You refuse to acknoledge the pain and humiliation apartheied did to blacks and still expect reconciliation.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 14:56

      Lerato, the only pain you suffered is from a small mind. Grow up when did you suffer under apartheid?. Next you will be telling me you struggled, well I never saw you there.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-18 05:56

      And you blacks, Lerato, must GET OVER IT. Do you see Afrikaners still tjank about the atrocities committed to us by the English? NOOOOO. TODAY WE ARE FFFRRRRIIIIEEEENNNNNDDDDDSSSSS.

  • Russell - 2012-05-07 05:20

    My 2 cents view is that places should never be named after people or politics .... This years hero often ends up as histories villain . And more often than not hero's are only from a certain groups point of view .

      swmabotja - 2012-05-07 17:28

      A Sound mind translates into Sound expression, On point Russell.

  • Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-05-07 05:44

    This really is first time I agree with the Madam.... We should really tread carefully if we are to rename streets n cities n if we hope to build a country inclusive of all its people, I know sometimes these names are changed just so it could be clear as to who is I. Power now, it sure does not take us forward as a country when carelessly done.... Madam is right!!!!

      Paul - 2012-05-07 06:22

      Well said Mtshezi,the silly name changes and not stuggle related changes are just causing unnesasary conflict between every one, the country has bigger issuis worry about

      Wikus Gouws - 2012-05-07 07:32

      Your sarcasm seems lost....

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:19

      Really, Mtshezi?

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:01

      Well said, look at all the conveniences this money being wasted can be spend on.

  • jr.lebese - 2012-05-07 06:20

    I am to think and wonder as to what difference would it make? For instance Pretoria was renamed Tswane, but we still call it Pretoria and not Tswane. Anyhow, I guess it's politics.

      Ngaka - 2012-05-07 08:00

      News24,stop it already!!..Why delete every comment I make?..@jr.lebese..you are selling your soul made.Speak for yourself..I and other progressive people we call it Tshwane.Perhaps,you first need to know how to spell it to say it.

      Ngaka - 2012-05-07 08:01

      "mate"..I meant to say.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:03

      GaePhetane, maybe if you are not so silly your remarks won't be removed. You can call Pretoria what you like, no one cares.

      jr.lebese - 2012-05-07 19:41

      @ Ngaka, tshwene ga e ipone makopo. Jy was tjatjarag to comment on my sentiment and ended up making a spelling error, but hey i guess you are too \wise\

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-05-18 06:03

      Yes, I spoke to a black woman the other day. She said she's going to Pietersburg. I said: You mean Polokwane. She answer: No, Pietersburg. Eish.

  • Nonkululeko - 2012-05-07 06:20

    I really dnt know what is right or rong, but I dnt think the previous history should be totally destroyed. I want my kids 2 knw who Paul kruger was. There's a hospital named after Helen Josephs why must a street named after her, 4 me there is no sense at all!

      Jill - 2012-05-07 09:27

      Why dont you find out who Helen Josephs was before you write

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:05

      Nonkululeko, by destroying history you will raise poorly educated children. Is this what you want?.

  • Letlotlo - 2012-05-07 06:29

    Why shud Africans still ask for permission from you Zille in their era? National Party had their chance and during their rule, they never consulted with the indigenious of this country. Just knw one thing, the name verwoerd is a swear word to Africans.

      Christian J Denyschen - 2012-05-07 06:39

      in that case stop thinking like a verwoerd.

      Louis - 2012-05-07 07:11

      That's why there is no more National Party and the last time I checked Verwoerd is dead. Stop using stupid arguments that don't even make sense in the context that you are using them. Apartheid is not the only history South Africa has - study RSA's history thoroughly before making comments such as these.

      Peter - 2012-05-07 08:36

      I dunno because shes the premier of the WC?... jeez wake up would you the DA is not the NP your racists idiot! Julius Malema is a swear word to white people FYI

      Ronald Swanson - 2012-05-07 08:53

      Read your history. Unless you are Khoi-San you are not South Africa's indigenous people. Whatever the fools in the ANC would like you to believe.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:07

      Letlotlo, Verwoerd thoughts were very similar to yours.

  • Louis - 2012-05-07 06:34

    I agree. Names such as General Louis Botha and Church street in Pretoria should not be changed. Obviously people want to recognise their heroes, but the name change process, just like everything else in our country, is a political game that ignores the public - exactly why we have protests of late that resemble those from the apartheid era.

  • brionyl.french - 2012-05-07 06:39

    Its a waste of tax payers money!!!!! This money could be used anywhere else...

  • Piet - 2012-05-07 06:44

    Well for once I agree with the ANC. Sorry Helen. I believe firmly that names must change to reflect reality. Take for instance Pretoria. It should be Tswane with derelect buildings, roads that are in a bad state, metro police chiefs with false plates, a non functioning municipality, local government with failed audits from the auditor general....Please call it Tswane and let me have Pretoria as a good memory.

      TawwaTienie - 2012-05-07 08:32

      Read your papers 99% municipalities are corrupt AS well as most Government Ministries - ALL provinces. Arms deals and tenders. NONE of these money was for the extention of new tarr roads or for houses/ water the basicsn there are millions without food, while EGGO's fighting on names. The old streets will stiil be linked to the pass and so what, look at the others with NO roads at all! Use money carefully THERE is nothing left

  • Samuel X L-zee Xs - 2012-05-07 07:19

    It's the ''NEW SOUTH AFRICA'' Zille the names have to change those names bring huge amounts of intense memories to the ''REAL SOUTH AFRICANS'' who suffered for the right of their land and freedom. The changing of names Is great idea no comprising we never why didn't think about compromising during the era now that you see that the old S.A. Is being buried day by day, I want to compromise.... Get over it Zille. Let the NEW SOUTH AFRICA TAKE ITS ROLE.

      Rob - 2012-05-07 09:39

      REAL SOUTH AFRICANS.....who are they? Mud hut, populist politics, gets nowhere except destruction and back to mud huts.....thank goodness SA agreed to stop making nukes!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:09

      Samuel if they suffered so badly why the hell didn't they stand up and fought for their rights?. We had to do it for them for goodness sake. This victim mentality makes me sick.

  • Wikus Gouws - 2012-05-07 07:31

    Why don't the NEW South Africa leave it's legacy by actually building something new and name that after their heroes. I agree with Johan, if you must, rename Verwoerd everywhere and start forgetting the past. It is my honest opinion that if we want to succeed as nation we need to stop making the same mistakes as in the past. So next time before changing a name, rather do something worthwhile and impressive and name that after your freedom fighters/ heroes.

  • ngonimclean - 2012-05-07 07:44

    The govt should have started with changing the street in which zille stays then move to name changing cape town then south africa to azania

      Peter - 2012-05-07 08:23

      You sound like a refugee from the EC, your lack of education astounds all

      ngonimclean - 2012-05-07 08:37

      And u r refugee from where peter? Europe!!

      Peter - 2012-05-07 08:53

      Im not a refugee... lol im not seeking any asylum or help im quite happy living in durban thanks, your apparently very jealous that the WC is the best run province so you would rather try turn it into another ANC poorly run EC hey?

      Peter - 2012-05-07 08:55

      also as i said before your lack of education astounds all, you can use the internet to write stupid ilogical comments here but you cant type the words "Refugee difinition" into google, eish its scary that you know how to use the interwebz

      ngonimclean - 2012-05-07 09:07

      Lol I c the european refugee part really got u. No further replies to u peter pan

      Peter - 2012-05-07 09:12

      @ngonimclean hahahaha im confused on how that got me? you have no understanding of the term refugee you don't know what it means... So sorry buddy i won this one

      Paul - 2012-05-07 09:46

      @ nqonimclean, Its the south of the African continant "South Africa" whats wrong with that i ask you ????

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:11

      Ngonimclean, I hope they don't employ you to write the signs and street names.

  • Rob - 2012-05-07 07:54

    I don't often do this, prefering to use my own words.....BUT FOR THOSE WHO ARE AROGANTLY SUGGESTION THAT DEMOCRACY IS ABOUT DOMINATION READ THIS (from http://www.democracyweb.org/majority/principles.php). Yet majority rule can not be the only expression of "supreme power" in a democracy. If so, as Tocqueville notes above, the majority would too easily tyrannize the minority. Thus, while it is clear that democracy must guarantee the expression of the popular will through majority rule, it is equally clear that it must guarantee that the majority will not abuse use its power to violate the basic and inalienable rights of the minority. If the principle of minority rights is overturned it is no longer democracy. If minority groups do not have a voice through legitimate channels then they will find alternative ways to express and implement. LEARN FROM HISTORY!

      Mtshezi Yonk'insipho Iyawasha Mkhize - 2012-05-07 12:23

      What alternative ways do u then foresee by the minorities in SA, Surely they can not lead a revolutionary!!!!!

      Rob - 2012-05-07 12:38

      Mtshezi: Even small minorities can be extremely disruptive to society. I do not want that, and I'm sure that you don't either because it is wasteful and destructive. That is why it is extremely important to respect monorities AND RESPECT THE PRINCIPLE OF MINORITY RIGHTS.

  • Khetha Hlophe - 2012-05-07 07:55

    Its only Cape Town that has recently changed 1 st to N Mandela all others are still reflecting the past. Its the only town I felt that am still in old SA. Including the racism. Why ZiLLe did not accelerate this where She lives.I don't honestly feel like in SA there.

      Peter - 2012-05-07 08:32

      Because she has to spend the money on schools so that the leaners from the poorly run EC ANC province can have a better life

      Ze Don - 2012-05-07 08:44

      You're right Ketha, it doesn't feel like SA down in Cape Town. It's probably due to the fact that the municipality is actually working and they're at least trying to improve peoples lives!

      Lerato - 2012-05-07 08:48

      @Ze Don, this municipality you are full of praises, when was the last time they get a qualified audit? Do they actually know what they own - asset register? Don't glorify better incompetance as competance!

      Ze Don - 2012-05-07 08:55

      @Lerato The point of the exercise is to get an UNQUALIFIED AUDIT, a qualified audit says that problems were found. So in short FAIL!

      Peter - 2012-05-07 09:02

      @Lerato are you trying to make the WC DA run municipality look worse than the ANC run ones? lol you just lost all credibility on that move, you obviously only read what is convenient for you. So what your saying is the incompetent(ANC) is better than the less "incompetent(DA)", as you would put it, run municipalities. And we wonder why this country is falling to pieces

      Lerato - 2012-05-07 09:42

      @Peter I don't care about ANC or DA, all I'm saying is at the moment all cities are incompetent! Still plenty needs to be done in our cities in the Auditor General's eyes Cape Town is in the same league with Dpt of Home Affairs - they both have unqualified audits

      greg.rascher - 2012-05-07 10:03

      Just to clarify, this is what an unqualified report means, to clear up any confusion: "The most frequent type of report is referred to as the Unqualified Opinion, and is regarded by many as the equivalent of a "clean bill of health" to a patient,[2] which has led many to call it the Clean Opinion. This type of report is issued by an auditor when the financial statements presented are free of material misstatements and are in accordance with GAAP, which in other words means that the company's financial condition, position, and operations are fairly presented in the financial statements. It is the best type of report an auditee may receive from an external auditor."

      Lerato - 2012-05-07 10:18

      @Greg agreed, my point is getting one doesn't mean all is well, its just about the info actually presented. Home affairs got one despite their shortcomings. At the moment City of Cape Town doesn't have an asset register - they don't know what they own! Funny enough even Dept of Defence has one

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:36

      @Lerato, true that. check the crime, tourists murders and drug abuse stats there. can they do better as they always claim they can? Hell No. Full of talking but less done. DA only knows what is not done well by the ANC, not what new thing they can do well. Real Clowns HAHAHAHAHAH

  • Charl - 2012-05-07 08:13

    my mind is needed somewhere els.

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-05-07 08:17

    Discrimination and racism - the only changes are Afrikaans historical names. Why not take these millions and build new streets and call them historical Zulu Xhosa Tswana names, there are people with NO streets NO water NO houses and NO food. But we ALL know this issue is going about people's eggo's. THEY do not care about the POOR people or their supporters and abuse tax money. Give rather the money to maintain caring houses for abused children!!!! They really need it more than a simple name. This fights are childish while children dying from hunger.

  • Peter - 2012-05-07 08:31

    We must be one of the few countries in the world that actually change the street names everytime we get a new government... There is a reason why either. No other countries do it, they arent a bunch of idiots trying to rewrite history. They are reminders of the past so that their actions arent repeated, thats what history is for... so we dont repeat mistakes. Just because it wasnt a great time in our history doesnt change the fact that it is our history and heritage. Most of the commenters here were probably at most 10 at the time of apartheid, yet you ride the apartheid wagon like your a struggle hero. Get over yourself. Trust me you are better off today having being colonized than if europeans never arrived, the currency would still be cattle around here.

      TawwaTienie - 2012-05-07 08:58

      Exactly my point too - why do this so called political associates not buid on the SO called democracy build NEW streets and services, there are thousands of dusty roads This is about Afrikaans names, full of hate and discrimination. These political associates rather fight against and find the CORRUPTED money at ALL levels of govenment!!!! They are criminals and payback money With interest!

  • Louis - 2012-05-07 09:00

    After almost 20 years in power the only thing they can do is change street names - and even that's a mess - shame

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:29

      HAHAHAHAHAH @ "only thing they can do", I'm not surprised by your comment, you are white. you wouldn't know where the country comes from and what we have achieved so far. You obviously know only the depleted benefits on your side since aprtheid is history.

      Louis - 2012-05-07 14:10

      Assumption upon assumption. If you were correct I would think you are stalking me. You have no idea who I am or where I come from. But hey let's just cry apartheid and then all problems are solved. I'm done with this topic because once again the solution is to blame everyone else. Brilliant, why didn't I think of that earlier!

  • Blaine - 2012-05-07 09:55

    The government is changing the street names to people's names I have never even heard of. Leave it as is. They changed my towns name a while back, and even still all the people in town call it by its old name! Post Office ext.

  • Sibusiso - 2012-05-07 10:07

    We cannot have streets or places named after people that committed crimes against humanity or racists. The street names named after people that didn't oppress the people shouldn't change.

      Wim - 2012-05-07 13:42

      That would bar most of your so called strugglers from being named. Ask the dead from Quattro.

  • Brett - 2012-05-07 10:40

    If you didn'nt design it, pay for it, develop or build it you have no right to name it.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:23

      is that your principle? well its gonna be proven that its nuisense. we will change whatever we like to, having built it or not.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:18

      Siyadyosiba. Your usual stroing arm tactics then. The old government did what they wanted, and you complain about that. But when you lot do the same it is fine by you?. Man what a load of hogweash.

  • cwboshoff - 2012-05-07 11:15

    I don't understand why you need to change street names, it causes unnecessary conflict, it costs a lot of money that can be well spent fixing the roads instead of renaming them. Besides, the people who built the roads named them, now the new government can name the new roads they build with the money they save from not wasting it on renaming!?! Renaming a city/town i can understand, but renaming streets, c'mon!

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:26

      there wont be any conflict and we will get used to all the new names. change is not easy I understand but things have to change sometimes.

      cwboshoff - 2012-05-07 12:05

      Are you really this ignorant? Or are you just making crappy comments on purpose? The name changes are definately causing unnecessary conflict, as can be seen on ALL the posts on this story. Sure we'll get used to them, but the money spent on all the court cases and protests etc can be better spent improving the roads!

      cwboshoff - 2012-05-07 12:07

      First fix the current problems then go on to spend left over money on other crap!

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 12:32

      who will protest? Surely the maority of this country wont. Who will go to court? Yes Afriforum will and I don't really care about them. If they wanna waste their money fighting to loose its their choice. So, what is really gonna be the conflict here. Conflict between who?

      Paul - 2012-05-07 18:56

      Actualy Siyadyosiba the DA has taken unesasary name changes to cort and won, thats why some vote DA, they bring some balance to the situation unlike you would have it if you had your own way

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 11:16

    Hellen must just please save her breath. We don't need her thoughts in name changing process. We know she represents the interest of the minority and she wouldn't like her grand grand uncle's name to be removed. We will change the names and erase all that is represented by the sad pre 1994 era.

      Samuel X L-zee Xs - 2012-05-07 11:48

      Well said... Siya

      Brett - 2012-05-07 12:00

      But you were happy to inherit the infrastructure? Oh well it appears that you are busy erasing that as well anyway.

      njdejager - 2012-05-07 14:27

      Then you will not have anything left I am afraid. lol but well everything is being erased anyway lol. Someone else will build again afer you erased (broke) everything down.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-07 15:20

      We don't need your thoughts either. If the likes of you make out what is and what isn't, we are doomed.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 15:45

      @jacqui, the unfortunate part is, the likes of me actually do hey

      Paul - 2012-05-07 19:13

      Ja but its not just the pre 1994 era that they change,they change everything and anything, this is why she talks about compromise, there has to be balance, take your blinkers off and look a little deeper into things.We all understand that apartathied names have to go but not everything,its just plain dumb,its not going to make you feel any better when the whole of SA is renamed. you will still be where you are and nothing would of changed

  • Mario Bisogno - 2012-05-07 12:31

    You know before apartate Egyptians were building pyramids europeans were building amazing structures and years later Africans renamed streets

      Reef - 2012-05-07 13:21

      @ Siya, reading some of the constructive comments on this matter and comparing them to yours, it appears that you can not wait to make a racist comment. I am a young white South African. I love my country and I want to be optimistic about all the changes. Some of my best friends are black, I love and care for them as I would do for a friend of my own colour. This country can not grow with negative/racist people such as yourself...

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-05-07 12:55

    Yeah excellent Zille, not just naming or ignoring the name changing but also that must be done with a goal to achieve and symbolise unity and positivity, we cannot exclude the past in any kind of way. Well said Zille, now the Hans Strydom street in Cape Town must be changed for sure mrs Zille hey

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-07 15:47

      zille managed to pull wool over your eyes. shame.

  • Rob - 2012-05-07 14:35

    You know what? The people who need improved basics such as education and health are probably the ones who care the least about changing the names of streets. Although, populist rhetoric can get anyone to really passionately care about something they didn't know about yesterday. So, all of you shouting at each other about this lot should get real. You cannot eat a street sign! If you must buy voted do it with something tangible that contributes to the physical wellbeing of the poorest.

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-07 14:50

    Wait a minute, they still have a lot of family members they want to name streets after. Why just the lot around Zuma needs a whole city for themsleves..

  • Nemiforhersake - 2012-05-07 16:54

    Compromise? Black people compromised in 1994 and there are no compromises to be made. If Hellen Marais doesn't have anything to do since Juju left, she must try knitting.

  • Donovan - 2012-05-07 17:10

    Fully agree with Zille, most name changes nowadays are completely irrelevant with the areas culture and history. E.g. changing General Louis Botha(Pretoria) into January Masilela. The majority of people in Pretoria are white afrikaners and so how does January Masilela reflect that?! It's like changing Vilikazi Road (Soweto) to Jan Van Riebeeck Road.

      Donovan - 2012-05-07 20:06

      Well Paul, you can have your street names. At the end of the day, we still have most of the country's money, so while you and your fellow comrades live in shacks, we live in nice comfortable mansions in beautiful suburbs. Hows that for pissing you off, knowing that you guys are still pathetically poor.

      Paul - 2012-05-07 21:09

      Donavan you misunderstood me, im agreeing with you,and im not a comrade and i dont live in a shack.Never mind will just delete my comment

      Paul - 2012-05-07 21:21

      Hey i even gave you a thumbs up

  • janusn - 2012-05-18 08:45

    Sadly the current ANC regime are a bunch of petty crooks. Oh well let us waste more public funds...

  • lindela.ndzulu - 2012-06-08 11:44

    Name changes to me won't change anything.It is the attitude of the people that needs to change towards each other to me this is just a waist of money.I really donot see the significance of this this.South Africans needs to change thier attitude towards each other yes we all know what happened in the past but we need not to dwell on that lets move on,lets love each other above all respect each in so doing we will build a better nation.

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