Nzimande bemoans liberal agenda

2011-09-07 19:05

Johannesburg - There is a "liberal agenda" to unfairly criticise the liberation movement and the government, SACP general secretary Blade Nzimande said on Wednesday.

"The most concerted expression of this offensive has been around the president's [Jacob Zuma] nomination of Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng to be the chief justice," he said in a statement.

"No sooner had the president made this nomination that a well co-ordinated and orchestrated campaign was launched to try and discredit Justice Mogoeng... to spite the authority of a president whose party was voted for by the overwhelming majority of our people."

Nzimande said the "campaign" was dishonest because the chief justice candidate preferred by liberals was not nominated by Zuma.

"This liberal agenda seeks to project our movement as anti-constitutional, anti the rule of law, and anti-media freedom. We are all being blamed as a movement as 'corrupt', 'racist' and 'sexist'," he said.

On Tuesday, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe criticised alliance partner, Congress of SA Trade Unions' opposition to Mogoeng's nomination.

He told the Food and Allied Workers' Union conference the "fight" about Mogoeng had nothing to do with Mogoeng.

"It is a proxy war against Zuma, the president of the ANC," said Mantashe.

Cosatu said just because they did not agree with Zuma's nomination, it did not mean it was at "war" with him.

Nzimande said the SA Communist Party agreed with Mantashe.

"The entire debate about the chief justice has little to do with the person of the chosen candidate," he said.

"[It] is part of an ongoing battle by the liberals in our society to consistently challenge and show the ANC, and particularly its president, as unable to take good decisions."

  • Moonshine - 2011-09-07 19:13

    "[It] is part of an ongoing battle by the liberals in our society to consistently challenge and show the ANC, and particularly its president, as unable to take good decisions." Aag shame!!!

      Mr_Mind - 2011-09-07 19:50

      How about we have the government and the judiciary separate and independent from each other... The president should have no business deciding who runs the judiciary! He's supposed to answer to them, that's proper democratic practice.

      v3 - 2011-09-07 20:03

      The best way the ANC and its president could win that war is to make good decisions. (Well-thought out, no corruption, non-racist and for the long-term interests of all the country. But then, they would not be the ANC)

      Phlegm - 2011-09-07 20:08

      If there are any medical doctors in the forum please could you advise what medication our tripartite alliance politicians could take to stop them talking such absolute poo, I mean in this day and age surely there is a medical cure for their conditions.

      letsee - 2011-09-07 20:43

      The people is unhappy and is expressing the unhappiness. Isn't it what a democracy is about? or is the president above democracy? or is service delivery something to be proud of?

      Clive - 2011-09-07 20:48

      Perhaps Mr Moonshine could give us an example of some "good decisions" made by the ANC government recently.

      Colin - 2011-09-07 20:58

      Compared to civilized countries they don't take 10% of the flak they deserve, what would happen for instance if a western president had 4 wives and 20 children?

  • GTA_Lad - 2011-09-07 19:19

    " spite the authority of a president whose party was voted for by the overwhelming majority of our people." The overwhelming majority who are illiterate and will stay as such while Blade and his buddies stay in power. Of course they all voted ANC Blade, they are still sucked in by the lies, That wont last forever though...

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-07 19:43

      the last time I checked the dictionary illiterate meant unable to read or write and that applies mostly to the elderly generation in rural areas. ANC won in all 8 Provinces and in recent local election they won all metros(ex CT), the fact of the matter is metros have a large population of young highly qualified people are. Your statement is a complete lie.

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-07 19:50

      @Kgomotso - the vast majority of cities,towns and villages are surrounded by illiterate shackdwellers? How do you account for that? - the voting demographics of the whole country has changed dramatically since the mass immigration towards urban areas that has taken place since 1994! All in a vain search of the pavements littered with gold after believing all the promises made by the ANC.....

      Phaedioux - 2011-09-07 19:52

      mass immigration = mass migration

      v3 - 2011-09-07 20:05

      Kgomotso: "ANC won in all 8 provinces..." Er, there are nine provinces. You should get some literacy and learn to read the IEC website. Just a thought

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-07 20:33

      @Phaedioux you obviously do not know life in the shacks people there afford. Most people who live in those shacks have big mansions in the villages where their families are the shacks you see are secondary accomodation. Most people from rural areas do not regard joburg as home the slogan is utirela kaya do not buy a house in Joburg/city city is not a home all the money must go home. They want RDPs because their children will eventually go to tertiary mostly in Gauteng. You are decieved to think people in shacks are poor and illterate. People there have gone to school and affords

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-07 20:37

      @V3 ANC did not win Western Cape hence I said 8. They won all except Western Cape that makes it 8 out of nine. Do you always need a person to breakdown such a simple matter you are slow man.

      voltaire - 2011-09-08 08:27

      @ Kgomotso So what you are saying is that the 'shack dwellers' second homes on the tax-payer's bill? So when Teachers or nurses (any government workers)strike for better wages we must remember that there may have been more money but too many people are demanding a second house?

      voltaire - 2011-09-08 08:29

      @ Kgomotso "ANC won in all 8 Provinces and in recent local election they won all metros(ex CT)," No, you said they won all *8* provinces and all *metros* except Cape Town. It is so much easier to say my bad, this is what I meant rather than try to lie. Integrity goes a long way.

      Swart_Baas - 2011-09-08 13:04

      Kgomotso, you arguments lack subastance, always!!!!! a report came out yesterday highlighting poverty in Soweto, and I doubt the people pleading poverty are literate and the last time I checked Soweto wa in JHB not in some rural town. Next time you must think before you spew your unsustantiated rhetoric!!

  • BryanJhb - 2011-09-07 19:22

    Are u referring to the same president who thought that a shower could protect him from HIV or perhaps some other president?

  • Terminusest - 2011-09-07 19:24

    What gibberish is this that you are spewing, oh dim light? Use a dictionary, and look up the meaning of liberal, you retarded ingrate. Then look for the definitions of bigot, chauvinist, and lapdog, because those sum your latest parasitic cadre up quite nicely.

      Valis - 2011-09-07 23:11


  • Daveza - 2011-09-07 19:25

    The same liberals who supported you in the bad old days ? And yes, you are corrupt, racist and sexist - and anti media freedom. Is that the liberals fault as well ?

  • Verdade - 2011-09-07 19:27

    Please just shut your trap knuckle out the liberal agenda will be insulting you too, yes we have a campaign by pointing out corrupt officials, are you one Blade?

  • Ex-employer - 2011-09-07 19:28

    Wrong on all counts, except the last one.

  • Trevor - 2011-09-07 19:30

    Blade is fighting to stay in the spotlight so he can remain in Government...he's a "has-been" and this is a desperate cry for attention, even for him....

  • Perplexed24 - 2011-09-07 19:31

    So everybody must just agree with your disisions? And any opposing views, no matter what rational reasons are based on are irrelevant and are only there to seek to undermine the anc. WOW. That's amazing logic! Perhaps make some intelligent decisions and people would respect you??? Then again what sort of logic did I expect from people that support a monster like gaddafi(a man that has committed atrocities against his people worse than the apartheid government- yet that is overlooked by the anc)

  • E - 2011-09-07 19:32

    It is easily solved. Just start to govern responsibly and with competence, merit and insight for a change and stop talking ****. The track record so far is pathetic to take decent thought - through decisions in the interest of South Africa that any reasonable person can defend.

  • Phaedioux - 2011-09-07 19:33

    He sounds very paranoid! Obviously he knows that the country at large are aware of the corruption and greed that is taking place and who the main perpetrators are. Why is he trying to find someone to blame for the mistrust in which the government leaders are held?

  • Slapper - 2011-09-07 19:34

    Its no "Liberal Agenda" that is the cause of criticism, its the Incompetence, Corruption, Blatant Cronyism and Nepotism that is the cause. Until the ANC either gets its act together, this will always be the case. No amount of secrecy bills will make it go away.

      Kevin - 2011-09-07 19:46

      Slapper, you missed a couple of points. The cronyism is to circumvent the constitution, to wit the Info Bill. In addition loading the courts with incompetant cronies and by passing blatantly unconstitutional laws they hope to cover up their inutterable incompetance as Government, So Blade its not a conspiracy, and if you were a little sharper you would realise its your hide bound marxist/socialist incompetance that is the problem.

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-09-07 19:35

    You have an ugly floppy mouth. The fact is that this government is corrupt, seen to be corrupt and has brought it upon itself. We have had seventeen years of inept, crooked, uncaring government only interested in personal wealth. It has nothing to do with any so called liberal agenda. Are the inhabitants of those areas now violently protesting re service delivery liberals. No, they are your people getting at last sick and tired of your clumsy crooked attempt at government.

  • burtfred - 2011-09-07 19:40

    Oh you arrogant little washed-up commie. i thought communists were "liberal" Why are you so vociferous now? Are Julius and Mogoeng stealing your news space? Is no-one interested in what you have to say? Blade, your party and your policy are rubbish.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-09-07 20:10


  • Counter-spin - 2011-09-07 19:46

    It is the public's duty to question the integrity of any person appointed to such an important public posistion. The good judge does have some of his past actions that need a more detailed explanation. I think Blade is more used to dealing with the sheeple.

  • vegetarian - 2011-09-07 19:50

    I agree that judge Mogoeng is not the most suitable candidate for the post of chief justice, however, Zuma is bound to resist any pressure from the self serving liberal lobby as well as rightwing quarters. The main reason for this resistance is because the liberals represent nothing other than the old order. They want to be the guardians of tranformation so that tranformation is done in a way that does not threaten their entrenched priviledges. The South African liberal as well as the rightwing establishment want to use the constitutional court as a platform to frustrate the government's tranformation agenda. For this purpose a chief justice who is more amenable to the liberal cause is the most suitable candidate. I think that the liberals and rightwingers should be ignored, otherwise this country will never advance to become the great country that it is destined to be.

      Jack - 2011-09-07 20:04

      @veg. The issue is that JZ chose this guy, who has a poor history, over Moseneke who is far more deserving in terms of track record, and who was the choice of the legal fraternity. it is interference by the Executive over the Legal arm of government, and threatens the constitutional principle of balance of power. What you're talking about has absolutely nothing to do with the real issues.

  • Mybra - 2011-09-07 19:55

    Okay Mr. Nzimande. Let us not be criticising. You give us a report. What is happening in the country? Is government doing well and governing properly. Hope there is no criticism in this post.

  • Jack - 2011-09-07 19:57

    Gosh! change the uniform, and it's Connie Mulder.

  • Babba x - 2011-09-07 19:58

    Shouldn't this public servant be doing some work? Hey Blade, I'm paying your salary, get back to work and stop talking sh@t

  • Kgomotso - 2011-09-07 19:59

    Blade you are right according to them there is no and there will never be a credible Black leader. Even Comrade Mbeki whom the entire world knows as a highly intellegent man was never good for them why he was too high for a commoner like them. Comrade was crucified for saying no one dies of AIDS but of opportunitist desease they twisted the fact to say Comrade Mbeki is an AIDS denialist. The scientific definition of AIDS is Acquired Immuno Defficiency Syndrome literally meaning the body has reached a state where the ummine system is too low to fight for itself against any virus or bacteria. Because of this State virus and or bateria find and utilise the opportunity to infect the body and kills it. The desease that the person will suffer from will be called an opportunistic desease and that will be what eventually kills the person excactly what Comrade Mbeki said.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 20:38

      Hehe -- you are quite funny. YOUR ANC ensures corruption and incompetency rules Africa. Africa is ruined by the locals. Then again,the bad colonials must do the hand-out bit,....history has a bad habit of repeating itself comrade

      mojo-jojo - 2011-09-07 21:49

      Kgomotso you are being ridiculous! You are missing the point completely, like most blindly loyal ANC supporters. Just because "whites" complain about the idiotic policies being enforced you raise the race card or raise simpleton rational. You're embarrassing fantastic black leaders with your statements. The majority of new South African middle class simply have the following objectives: 1. Improve their business profits 2. Improve their family's lives 3. Ensure environmental longevity Really, who cares about the rest anymore? Wait the ANC does, since it's the only way to stay on the gravy train... So Kgomotso, when people complain about things that affect the points above, they usually do so regardless of race/greed/religion/nationality/socio economic beliefs or distant past inequalities that have no relevance anymore. Yet somehow the ANC has managed to keep those exact items alive and make all ANC supporters believe that by taking all the "White" jobs (all 2 million or so of them) South Africa will be a better place for the 45million others or 60% thereof with no work... But wait we are inhibiting the African Agenda!! What is that exactly, I've been trying to understand that? How many of the 45 million+ South Africans has been out of ZA, spent some time in other African countries? Do these countries provide a better life to their families than what we are trying to achieve by questioning ridiculous policies? If you answer "yes" you are a fool!

  • v3 - 2011-09-07 20:00

    If Nzimande has evidence of an "agenda" "co-ordination", "orchestration" let him produce it. I say he is lying. Bring on the evidence to back up what you say. All this speech proves is how intolerant the ANC (of whom Nzimande is a cabinet minister) is of criticism or dissent.

  • Chabi - 2011-09-07 20:12

    The struggle of Liberation must never seek justification from oppressors... it must surge forward indifferent of their opinions, otherwise how would we have gotten here ? yeah a lot has to be done but We are definately not were the oppressors had this Country just 17 years ago... Very true Blade.

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-07 20:48

      thank you

      euro-african - 2011-09-07 21:42

      You are liberated. The struggle for freedom is over. You possess every right in the constitution. Start doing something with those rights and get off the entitlement train. Fact is in 17 years of democracy inequality and unemployment have steadily gotten worse. Not better or at least the same but worse. The oppressors are not running the country, you are. It is about time you realise that fact and get to work.

  • Musa Ngubane - 2011-09-07 20:26

    Bloody counter-revolutionary forces who exist just to oppose everything. We need to ignore these fools, we have a country to govern, mandated by the electorate. We are getting used to this ugly noise. Next step, they will run to courts. Courts have recently become strongholds for those who can't win elections. Another reason why we need judicial transformation.

      Kgomotso - 2011-09-07 20:49

      they are bitter.

      euro-african - 2011-09-07 21:29

      Who are THEY? Bloody counter-revolutionaries?!? jelly tsotsi calls white people counter-revolutionaries, the anc calls the ancyl counter-revolutionaries, the ancyl calls the sacp counter-revolutionaries, the sacp calls the da counter-revolutionaries, etc etc.... Too many revolutions have been countered that its become revolting.

      chris24ZA - 2011-09-11 19:06

      Excuse me. There is no other race on this planet who exploits human right laws to justify their place on this planet more than the black race! Fact! But yet ignoring that at the end of the day, it will be your own leaders who desire to dictate you and will destroy you! Just as you were dictated in the tribal system, so will you be dictated in more modern systems of governance? No wonder most blacks believe in communistic ideologies. Where white / Indian / Chinese had land, there was progress. Blacks had the whole of Africa, and there were dispair far before colonialisation! You talk about nationalisation. TAX MONEY IS NATIONALISED FOOLS! Yet look at the ratio's of expenditure vs. actual growth. Redistribution is not growth, its poverty creation! Now you think nationalising more will enable greater growth! Show me how? 17years later ample Tax money and an established economic system couldn't do so, yet pre 1994 India was 20 years behind us in relation to economic development, now they are 20 years ahead. You ask yourself why? We had the same chances as they had and to top it off, enough resources to acquire a 6% GDP growth rate by now! Maybe Africans should stop living in a world where they believe the international community must feel sorry for past injustices and notice that those injustices happened to the majority of races in its time. For that matter I can't say sorry for Apartheid and there's NO payback. We as humanity must work together that it never happens again!

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 20:34

    Sucking up again Blade? Need a new car comrade? Why don't you focus on actually doing your job! You have a crisis in your department! Idiot

  • letsee - 2011-09-07 20:44

    The people is unhappy and is expressing the unhappiness. Isn't it what a democracy is about? or is the president above democracy? or is service delivery something to be proud of?

  • Pryce Johnson - 2011-09-07 20:45

    I agree. There is a fight for the control of this country between the white establishment and the African government. This is why the government decisions are attacked so critically and aggressively by the media and the white controlled civic organizations.

  • John Jameson - 2011-09-07 20:46

    What part of "multi-party democracy" does this communist not understand? Of course the opposition has an alternative agenda to offer and fight for. Deal with it and stop crying.

  • Clive - 2011-09-07 20:46

    Interesting that "liberal" was a dirty word under the NP government, and now it is an even dirtier word under a government (and its supporters) that proclaims itself to be democratic.

  • Newsferret - 2011-09-07 20:51

    Damn I thought South Africa was liberated since 1994. These idiots have no idea what the word liberated means. If you are liberated you are free to criticise in all terms, not only socially but also politically. These idiots are prisoners in there own narrow minded mindset.

  • Rip van Winkel - 2011-09-07 20:51

    Sad how ...liberals are to blame ..the same liberals who kept nailing the old lot..and who told all that the ANC would change all...short memories they have..

  • Sam Shapiro - 2011-09-07 20:56

    OH NO the dreaded liberal agenda, what are we going to do?!?!?!?! Simply put the decision to nominate Mogoeng is a step backwards for a great country that prides itself on its constitution. the promotion of a democratic South Africa has taken a serious blow that needs to be rectified. And i agree with v3 these people need serious medication because they are losing their minds!

  • Fision - 2011-09-07 21:14

    Does this guy even realise how stupid he sounds?

  • Philip Kleynhans - 2011-09-07 21:23

    Phlegm, good comment. The doctor that will be able to help them is a Vet

  • Brigitte - 2011-09-08 08:37

    Well call a spade a spade - anyway, the SACP should not even have people in Parliament as nobody voted for the Communist Party - at all - go SA democracy.

  • willieman - 2011-09-08 09:51

    Cosatu said just because they did not agree with Zuma's nomination, it did not mean it was at "war" with him.Now Blade is a spokes person for Cosatu

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