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Options sought on e-tolling

2012-05-21 17:01

Johannesburg - The ANC will consider any suggestions on how the Gauteng e-tolls saga can be resolved in a way that the country can still meet its debt obligations.

"We will look into any options that are given and assess the merits of any option," party secretary general Gwede Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg.

The expected May 1 launch date for e-tolling was canned last month at the end of an extended campaign of private and union federation resistance.

Mantashe said - in addition to meeting the Congress of SA Trade Unions - the ANC had engaged widely on the e-tolls.

It also spoke to representatives of the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance who had challenged the introduction of e-tolling in court.

"Parties that met agreed the Gauteng Highway Improvement Project had delivered good roads and related infrastructure, that debt [of about R20bn] had been incurred, and that the government had a responsibility to service the bond."

Mantashe said the fight was not about those issues. It was about whether e-tolling was the best option and, "it is about the service provider".

Fair option


A petrol levy had been considered, but that meant every car owner in the country had to subsidise a road in Gauteng, even if they lived in the Eastern Cape.

"And the question that we are grappling with, is that a fair option...," said Mantashe.

He asked whether it was fair that the fiscus should "continue throwing" a huge portion of its revenue to one province while others who were lagging behind with infrastructure had to be patient.

In the meantime, options to service the bond had to be found, he said.

Last month, the North Gauteng High Court put e-tolling in Gauteng on hold, ruling that the SA National Roads Agency Limited could not charge or collect e-tolls until there had been a judicial review of the processes leading up to them.

Last week it was announced that Cabinet would appeal the judgment in court.

Sanral CEO Nazir Alli resigned since the judgment.

On April 26 the transport department said the introduction of e-tolling would be delayed for a month after the ANC and Cosatu asked for this.

On April 28, the North Gauteng High Court put the whole project on hold.

Comments
  • Sematla - 2012-05-21 17:06

    Increase tax,increase stamp duties, hike petrol.This will teach them a lesson.

      Rhyno - 2012-05-21 17:07

      You're just a special kind of idiot, aren't you?

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-21 17:15

      Mthata, who is them? are you one of the B@stards that lives off our tax money an does not pay taxes? it either that or you are a true idiot.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 17:16

      How about stop stealing tax payers money............thats a good way to meet the countries debt responsibilities!!!!

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 17:17

      Get Julius to steal the full amount and then confiscate it and pay for the roads.

      Christopher - 2012-05-21 17:18

      I see you got your mothers genes Mathata.

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 17:20

      On a serious note. Add R1 to every liter of fuel for a limited time - at the refinery end. Everyone pays, no R70billion in added costs.

      sean.bezuidenhout - 2012-05-21 17:29

      At the end of the day I don't think anyone is adverse to taxpayers paying for national infrastructure, people were pissed about how the Gauteng Toll Roads were going to be financed and the shady methodology that was used. The government I agree is not a bank, taxpayers always pay for infrastructure. Every Province will eventually have to upgrade their freeway systems like Gauteng just went through. The easiest way is increase the fuel levy country wide for all our road upgrades. Use the fuel levy for roads like its supposed to be used and stop just throwing that money into a general tax basket. Simple!

      Gordon - 2012-05-21 18:10

      Exactly which debt are they talking about? When will an investigation take place into potential corruption/self-enrichment with the behind the scenes companies? As SANRAL executive made an extremely poor decision, and if there is any self-enrichment, how will this debt be recovered from those executive members involved?

      Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-21 18:52

      Your suggestion sound the same as your moron brothers in goverment. Corrupted thiefs!!!

      eric.vanvuuren - 2012-05-22 09:34

      See, if the law was upheld from the beginning and these criminals jailed instead of going into power, this would be the stuff of fiction. It’s pretty obvious that these criminals have stolen more than R20bn. Raid their assets and use that to pay the criminals for the crap quality roads they build.

  • Rhyno - 2012-05-21 17:07

    Take a pay cut...

      Peter - 2012-05-21 17:17

      +100 thumbs up! They should all have their bonuses revoked and used to pay for their stupidity

      Alan - 2012-05-22 09:06

      Umm - maybe stick the gantries up yer *sses, and then sell them to Austria as a package deal.

  • dewalds3 - 2012-05-21 17:10

    Uhm... those in the Eastern Cape - where do their roads come from? What does a new road cost in the countryside? How many litres of petrol (on which a levy can be added) are actually driven out on those roads?

      dewalds3 - 2012-05-21 17:11

      And what is the actual contribution of Gauteng vs the Eastern Cape to the fiscus?

  • Eduard - 2012-05-21 17:10

    I hardly ever use that road so why must I pay via taxes?

      dewalds3 - 2012-05-21 17:14

      Because someone else might be also paying for the one's that YOU use?

      Squeegee - 2012-05-21 17:18

      Because the food you eat and everything you use is delivered on these roads.

      kim.buren - 2012-05-21 17:23

      Eduard, are you perhaps related to Mathata? (First comment)

      Alan - 2012-05-22 09:07

      Duh Edward! Are you perhaps a consumer of any products made in SA. Do you ever use any roads in SA. Can you read?

      Alan - 2012-05-22 09:07

      Eduard I mean.

  • msira.gcukumana - 2012-05-21 17:11

    how about retrieving all that cash involved in corruption and clear out this e-toll system

  • Grace - 2012-05-21 17:12

    How about the government take salary cuts, we lose at least 50% of the current ministers that don't actually serve any purpose, all travel and accommodation expenses cut by 75%, entertainment by 80%, repossess houses and luxury cars (limiting each remaining minister to 1 of each), restrict state support to 1 wife only, education, health etc paid only for that wife and her off-spring?.... That's a start

  • zipho500 - 2012-05-21 17:12

    how about using gantries scrap metal to empower scrap metal business?

      jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-05-21 17:16

      @zipho,,,snap!!

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-05-21 17:13

    We didn't ask for it in the first place. It was bullied onto us. Now they want suggestions. Here is a idea,, Sell the toll gates for scrap metal.

  • Hugh - 2012-05-21 17:15

    Um let me think now..try curb the R25billion on fruitless and wasteful expenditure, stop the R30 billion loss through theft and corruption, and voila!! R55billion spare cash just waiting to be spent on infrastructure development! Geez wasn’t that easy?

      Grace - 2012-05-21 17:16

      Tell 'em Hugh !

      Julio - 2012-05-21 17:51

      I agree. Maybe there should be a stupidity tax imposed on useless government employees.

      bruce.wilson.313 - 2012-05-21 18:08

      Julio...."stupidity tax"....we would all be rolling in the money and they government officials would be broke in no time.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-21 18:27

      Hugh, that is still too technical and complicated for them to understand. The real answer they are looking for is, would the Gauteng road users please tell us as to how we should go about to legally steal your hard earned after tax money?

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-21 20:17

      Amazing that magicians vanished 75% of the budget but ran out of powers when it came to financing a few km of toll-road

  • danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-21 17:18

    Here is one way. keep the fuel levies and each province gets the funds transefered to it to maintain and improve their roads. the more you drive in a province the more it receives. Off course, if all the corrupt cadres that have been caught out were made to give the stolen money back there would be enough for the whole project and a few more.

  • Raven - 2012-05-21 17:19

    Last year the Government "lost" R35 BILLION. So, this year, don't lose it, use it. And with the R15 BILLION that is left over you can finish off the roads and probably start another project of this magnatude. In short my advice would be STOP STEALING OUR MONEY!!.

  • mpholo.leboea - 2012-05-21 17:21

    I suggest that Zuma must to marrying.

  • John - 2012-05-21 17:23

    Why dont they just print more money and pay with that, worked in every other african country.

      Julio - 2012-05-21 17:54

      Yes, just just ask Bob Muggabe for some tips.

      Johnnie - 2012-05-21 19:37

      They have so much money now that the Reserve Bank chucked 350 Million rands away.

      Koos - 2012-05-22 01:50

      They had it printed but in true ancESTORAL style is was a spear-up.

  • joseph.vanvuuren - 2012-05-21 17:23

    Take the lotto money!!!!!!

  • Bomb - 2012-05-21 17:24

    1. fuel levy in gauteng 2. Recover the bn30 lost through corruption last year. 3. a higher tax in the road transport industry - its the heavy vehicles doing the most damage. 4. tax the taxi industry 5. higher tax % on high earners/big industry 6. increase VAT in gauteng. it should be a temporary measure until the money is recovered only.

      rowan.maulson - 2012-05-21 17:52

      I agree with some of your points.... But a higher tax% on the high earners isn't a solution, it will decrease your tax pool even further. High Earners are the ones that can find loopholes to avoid taxes and the higher you raise it the more creative they can and will get.

  • Nigel - 2012-05-21 17:26

    Pay it out of your secret slush funds.

  • Cape - 2012-05-21 17:27

    peep, peep, peep, is that the ANC bus backing up that I hear; let this be a lesson to this arrogant government.

  • Bogoshi - 2012-05-21 17:30

    Recover all the money lost due to corruption (Auditor General's report) and use it, as it is way over what is currently needed to settle the etolling bill.

  • Dianne - 2012-05-21 17:32

    'They will look at options'. Were the road users ever given an option?

  • Teuneman - 2012-05-21 17:32

    Trade in all luxury gov cars for chevy spark lite's. Don't have big parties with tax money(centanary celebrations). USE the tax we pay on fuel for roads. Really. They are asking a question that a primary school kid can give answers to.

      pmolesworth - 2012-05-21 17:57

      best comment yet. you win todays comment prize!

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-05-21 17:36

    Here is another idea. Use the funny money that they printed in Switzerland.

      Koos - 2012-05-22 01:51

      Sweden!

  • Bibi - 2012-05-21 17:46

    Suggestion one: stop using tax payers' money fraudulently Suggestion two: same as above and cut back on government bling, unnecessary trip and art exhibitions Suggestion three: stop sponsoring dubious dictators and criminals from other countries Suggestion four: cut back on your wives and kids Why should other provinces sponsor the follies of Gauteng, they clearly did not think any further than the cut they would be getting from this deal.

  • Danie - 2012-05-21 17:49

    Do a R 220 Maximum per month, with a maximum of R10 per day @ 10C per Km per car. Trucks pay Max R 330 with a R15 max per day. That will a fair amount to pay and will mean that it will cost the average comuter R5 to work and R5 back. Taxi's fall in the same category as cars and motorbikes are half of cars...

      Koos - 2012-05-22 01:53

      petrol levy of 6 cents per liter over 20 years will pay it off.

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-05-21 17:51

    Another suggestion. Fine the Durban taxi drivers double the going rate,, that's over and above the normal bribe. Just because they are dumb asses.

  • maritza.meyer - 2012-05-21 17:51

    Hey ANC, I got a wild idea... How about you STOP stealing our money!

  • Pieriewaaier - 2012-05-21 17:52

    It's prepostorous for the ANC now, at this very late stage to call for proposals regarding other options. The fricken GOVERMENT should do it; not the stupid ANC. And all these alternative options have been given to the government and they have access to all those submissions. There was at elast one report submitted telling them that e-tolling was NOT the optimal way to finance the upgrade. So, WTF?? And, all people in this country benefit from the Gauteng road infrastrure - goods are transported from other provinces to Gauteng and Gauteng exports goods by road to all provinces apart from individuals & families from all p[arts of SA travelling to and from Gauteng. The fuel levy is the only option and basta with the obfuscating politics. Tell your cadres in parliament such as the president and his minister of transport to call for submissions. What sensible person or institution would want to make yet more submissions to the fricken ANC? What standing does the ANC gave in this matter, after all? It's a government issue; after all, it's the government that has been interdicted and not the flippin ANC! You are MAD!

  • elkita.robbertse - 2012-05-21 17:54

    No comment for the ANC idiots....

  • Charles-Bronson - 2012-05-21 17:56

    Morons, just look at the comments above and you will get the answer. The public do not trust you anymore: 1. You are thiefs 2. Your friends are thiefs 3. Your family are thiefs

  • Cornel De Jager - 2012-05-21 17:56

      johnny.neto - 2012-05-21 20:27

      Cornel, I know ........ you were speechless when you read the article. Can't blame you.

  • Ken - 2012-05-21 18:04

    When you have received all options publish what has been suggested and by whom. After which ask the opposition parties to submit their proposals and publish what they recommend. In other words don't start stealing other peoples ideas. The work must be paid for. Which is the best solution? Their are no political winners only SA wins.

  • Koos - 2012-05-21 18:06

    Too little too late. This is the result of “Onverskillige bestuur” (Beeld Monday 21 May 2012 page 2) you have been warned in 2010 of the potential crisis but you preferred to ignore it. Because the ANC is in power and cannot do anything wrong!!!! Now show us how you are going to manage yourself out of this crisis. And I mean CRISIS because the masses will respond in a BIG way !!!!

  • whoowhoohoo - 2012-05-21 18:08

    Sell all the luxury cars, luxury homes, Breitling watches and other luxury items you bought with our tax-payers' money, and before I forget, return all the money you have been stealing and salting away. You could settle the e-tollong bill in cash and still have small change left over.

  • sian.okeeffe - 2012-05-21 18:14

    The solution is simple Gwede - stop your ANC cronies from looting the governments coffers! Between R25 billion and R30 billion of the South African government’s procurement budget alone is lost annually to corruption - this is more than enough to pay for YOUR road debt. Why should WE have to pay anything more? Clean up your own house and you'll find the money you need - we, the people, have given it to you already!

  • Vusi - 2012-05-21 18:15

    Did we vote for people who can't think? I think the whole ANC NEC should be recalled with a vote of no confidence. You didn't ask for our opinion now that the boat is about to sink you want our opinion. Which public opinion have you ever considered anyway? Nxa

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-21 22:55

      Vusi, sorry to bring you the bad news but yes, anyone who voted for the ANC has voted for people who can only think of themselves and how to fleece the citizens...

  • barbara.durlacher1 - 2012-05-21 18:21

    De-regulate the para-statal body known as SANRAL. Turn it into a private company run by honest, experienced civil engineers and accountants, with the authority to build and upgrade ALL the roads in South Africa. List the company on the Stock Exchange and let the public buy shares. BINGO, problem solved! Wotcha

      hussain.adam - 2012-05-21 19:44

      That will be an ideal solution to all of our countries para-statals

  • jaysonpaul.beckwith - 2012-05-21 18:29

    Mandatory that all top goverment officials must eat beet root and lots of garlic. This may cure there corrupt tendency's. Thus saving us at least 4 billion rand a year.

  • Malcolm - 2012-05-21 18:39

    Just a thought, but haven't we paid taxes already to cover this and isn't there a fuel levy in place already to cover this. In other words have we not paid our dues twice already.

  • George - 2012-05-21 18:46

    Pay the ACTUAL cost of construction from the general revenue fund. Investigate who authorized such a criminal arrangement without the consent of the governed and prosecute them. Attach their assets as serious laws were broken. Then fire them and hire new people based on merit who understand finance and economics. Whatever you do can the e-toll scam. Its a turkey that won't fly and has damaged the relationship between the people and this government beyond repair.

  • thabojames.mohanoe - 2012-05-21 19:02

    Did you guys ask 4 sugestions b4 starting building that sh*t. I suggest u kiss my black *ss.

  • rosanne.stuffoff - 2012-05-21 19:03

    If I make a mistake in life, do I ask other people to bail me out? That sirs is your problem, do not make it the battling consumers' problem, give us alternate route like the previous "oppressive previous regime" did. By the way, you are still working on the roads, there may be extra lanes but the quality and workmanship is of the lowest standards in the world! Who greased the tender officers palms??

  • hussain.adam - 2012-05-21 19:09

    I think that, the gantries should be used as a speed prosecution mechanism, where it should take spot speeds of cars and fine the speedsters and it should be used to take average speeds and fine the speedsters even more. Two positives or more to come out, 1. funds from the fines to service the debt 2. Safer roads due to constant threat of being fined 3. dont have to face corrupt police officials

      Judith - 2012-05-21 19:21

      And then lower the speed limit on these Gauteng highways to 100kmh

      hussain.adam - 2012-05-21 19:35

      not really... just maintain the current speed limits... that way the taxi industry would be a major contributor to our roads. As it stands the taxi industry is exempt from tolling, but with fines everyone is liable.

      Denise - 2012-05-22 05:36

      Hussain - the way they were trying to browbeat the public into buying e-tags makes me wonder if this would even be poossible for vehicles without a tag!

  • hussain.adam - 2012-05-21 19:19

    I think a method of making up the R20Bn other than adding to the overburdened taxpayer, is to impose a fine/penalty system using the gantries (an instantaneous speed fine, and an average speed fine between gantries) . This would service the debt, and make our roads safer and we wont have to face corrupt the corrupt police.

  • ronald.jeffs - 2012-05-21 19:27

    Pay it out of cabinet salaries that is how!

  • Matshane T Matshane - 2012-05-21 19:56

    they can ask tokyo, cyril, the zumas and all tenderpoliticians to donate, oh and sir blatter as well

  • lasherza - 2012-05-21 21:15

    The best way would be to introduce it.. but decrease personal and business tax in some instances ..so if u use the roads way more than usual you pay the toll, but at the same time u must get tax relief too..

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-05-21 22:21

    The best way to meet the country's debt obligations is to cut executive spending by the government. Downgrade vehicles to a maximum value of R150000, and only 1 vehicle per person. Down grade residences to between 1 and 2 million. All holidays and restaurants to be paid for out of executive's own pocket. All government employees to go to government hospitals. That's just for starters. That should help a lot.

  • EyesEars - 2012-05-22 07:37

    Why don't the ministers and cronies, start to pay out of their own salaries for the toll gates. The lavish and expensive alterations that were made to "their" houses, would have been more than efficient to pay most of the debt, as the tax payer once again paid for all those as well. Ministers and cronies can have a garage sale for the un-used furniture that is standing like elephants in "their" houses, for which they will also be able to fund the e-toll crises. Time they start giving back!

  • SARealist - 2012-05-22 07:44

    Pity the ANC regime have been just so deaf and blind and have not read the reports submited by university or heard what the people have been saying. Could somebody please then use sign language to get the message accross to the ANC regime that E-Tolling will not work as its recovery costs are just too costly. Place a fuel level only in the Gauteng region. Same as the Pipe Line Levy which has been in operation as from the late 60's early 70's.

  • SARealist - 2012-05-22 07:58

    ANC Logic = USER PAY PRINCIPLE is flawed. Why because the USER in Taxis & Busses does not have to pay. Hello wake up and smell the roses. A user must pay principle just has NO EXEMPTIONS at all. Please don't blame the bantu education and get to clearly understand what the USER PAYS principle actually means.

  • Warwick - 2012-05-22 08:05

    The appeal is a front to cover the corruption the anc Government is involved in - a drawn out battle so that they can destroy as much evidence as possible in the meantime, move documentation around like the Kebble murder and it’s players. It's a play for time only, they know it will not stand in court. Bring them down Outa. This will be remembered as one of the biggest mistakes made by this corrupt regime and its beginning to the end............people have smartened up to this evil empire of hate & intolerance. While we are on about it…………..imagine if Outa were to form as a political party? That would scare the crap outta the bunch we have in Parliament!