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Outrage at Zuma's promise of heaven

2011-02-07 22:30

Johannesburg - As outrage mounted on Monday over President Jacob Zuma's promise of a place in heaven for ANC voters, the ruling party's chaplain general sprang to his defence.

"We are taking a view that people are taking that statement out of context," said Rev Dr Vukile Mehana.

"The president was using a figure of speech, he did not mean it in a literal sense," he said.

A Democratic Alliance transcript of Zuma's remarks during a voter registration drive in Mthatha on Saturday claimed he said:

"When you vote for the ANC, you are also choosing to go to heaven. When you don't vote for the ANC you should know that you are choosing that man who carries a fork... who cooks people.

"When you are carrying an ANC membership card, you are blessed. When you get up there, there are different cards used but when you have an ANC card, you will be let through to go to heaven."

The DA called for an immediate apology, describing Zuma's remarks as "incendiary and dangerous" and condemned them as "an act of shameless political and religious blackmail".

It was the sort of "political skulduggery" that may be the norm in autocracies, but which should be anathema to South Africa's constitutional democracy, it said.

Blatant lie

The IFP also felt Zuma owed the nation an apology.

"Now [the ANC] wants to mobilise support along religious lines, by blatantly lying to the nation that a vote for the ANC is a ticket to heaven," said IFP leader Mangosuthu Buthelezi.

The Christian Democratic Party (CDP) said Zuma should know better by now, after previous comments that people's forefathers would haunt them if they did not vote ANC.

"The appalling tendency of President Jacob Zuma to use religion as an instrument of intimidation to coerce people into voting for the ANC, borders on blasphemy," said CDP leader Rev Theunis Botha.

The African Christian Democratic Party said nobody could get into heaven because of their political party and to suggest that angels in heaven wore ANC colours "is nothing but blasphemy".

The United Democratic Movement drew on a previous comment by Zuma that "the ANC would rule until Jesus comes back" to say that it too considered the latest statement blasphemous.

"The UDM views this as a serious matter; the president is the custodian of the country's constitution. Such careless statements are in direct opposition of the freedom of expression and freedom of association guarded by our constitution."

Respect

The ANC chaplain general responded that there was no way the president could ever insult the religious community "because we respect it".

"The ANC respects very much the religious sector and we can never dream of insulting the church," said Mehana.

"People must not be so sensitive to those things. He did not mean really, literally, that the ANC is so powerful.

"Mr Meshoe knows, as a pastor he should know, that nobody can wear the colours of the ANC [in heaven].

"There is no provision in the Bible for that. In Revelations chapter seven, verse 13, he talks about people wearing white gowns, part of those ascending into the heavenly banquet.

"They are not wearing the colours of the ANC," said Mehana.

Problematic

ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said that if the word "heaven" was inappropriate in a figurative sense, expressions such as 'marriage made in heaven', 'heavenly voices' and 'sweets from heaven' would not exist

"South Africans, both black and white, fully understand the use of figurative expressions and the context is which our president used 'heaven or hell' in figuratively expressing himself over the weekend," he said in denying that Zuma's comments were blasphemous.

"We are also of the view that those who are 'alarmed' by his expression are probably driven by jealousy for not having thought of the expression."

The SA Council of Churches (SACC) hoped to meet Zuma over the "problematic" statement.

"We work on a daily basis with scores of people who are hungry, unemployed and homeless. These are our brothers and sisters in Christ who look at political leaders with great expectations, said SACC president Jo Seoka.

"Offering heaven to these people while their suffering continues here on earth is escapist. We [as Church and government] are expected to transform the livelihoods of all [and especially the poor] for the better".

SACC general secretary Eddie Makue said it was banking on the maturity of electorate not to let such statements influence them, but to "vote on the basis of what their experiences are".

The SA National Civics Organisation (Sanco) has blamed the saga on the SABC's misunderstanding of Zulu idiom.

"In Zulu idiom and culture, when a person has got a nice house, and when you enter the house you say it's beautiful, like heaven, which means something nice," said Sanco spokesperson Dumisani Mthalani.

"When something is something bad, you talk about satan, not really meaning satan," he said, maintaining that Zuma was "quoted out of context".

Comments
  • Macho Mike - 2011-02-07 22:39

    Well here's my figure of speech Rev Dr Vukile Mehana - you and the African National Circus can go rot in hell.Zuma is such a bad egg he will not go to heaven, and word has it that the devil has a special chair ready for him. Zuma's comments are blasphemous, no if's or butt's or any misunderstanding of Zulu idiom here Dr Reverend. In simple English, Zuma and his 40 thief's can go to HELL.

      Macho Mike - 2011-02-07 22:45

      And he can use one of the old Taxis to go to hell, not one of da news one's.

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-02-08 00:50

      And yet another spindoctor who tries to make right was is obviously wrong. THat is what you get when the ANC brass has to go out and campaign for votes. They are not used to doing so properly, they are used to having the votes from an asskissing mass. Now the people are no longer following them blindly and they have to make more promises. And yet again they make a promise they cannot keep. Funny though how the promises keep getting bigger and better. I guess they have allready promised everything there is on the planet so now they have to look for something to top that. And how many people will actually believe that nonsense? Too many probably, but the ones that can think for themselves will know this lie for what it is.

      richard - 2011-02-08 01:57

      A lot more than fourty my man.

      roadvark - 2011-02-08 06:15

      hahaha, must say it is clever. You won't know until you croak and then you can't come back and say he was talking kak. Just for the small minded of course.

      wesley.raleigh - 2011-02-08 06:24

      Jacob Zuma dies, and goes up to the pearly gates. St. Peter asks Zuma, "Do you feel like you deserve a place in Heaven?" Zuma replies, eish um shore. so St. Peter offers a chance to spend a week in Heaven, then a week in hell, and after the two weeks he can choose. so, first week in heaven, everything is bliss, calm peaceful and, well... nice. so off to Hell for a week. some of his comrades are there, Julius leading the pack. They play golf, drink, party all night, the most beautiful woman as far as they eye can see (With sushi on their naked bodies). the week flies by! St. Peter asks Zuma what his choice will be? Remember that this will be your final choice. Zuma saya, eish, Heaven is great but I think hell will be more fun. and in a flash he appears in hell. he arrives to a desolate barren waste land of pity, torture, hate and well, hell. so he goes to JM, and askes, what happened to all the great stuff that was here??? Ah, last week we were campaigning, this week you voted.

      kitchenboy3 - 2011-02-08 06:57

      @ wesley, I almost fell of my chair i laughed so hard

      ant177@24.com - 2011-02-08 07:07

      .mmmmm..TUTU What do you think?....

      Mebob - 2011-02-08 07:10

      I believe that he should be held accountable for these words.After all, he was very upset at Zapiro and went as far as taking him to court and suing him.Even malema wanted to bomb Nandos down for the dummy advert. If they are allowed to get so sensitive about these smaller issues, why should God fearing people feel offended about his statements concerning Heaven?

      Thingamebob - 2011-02-08 08:10

      Its is heaven in the ANC. They have protection with a large body of security policemen, big fancy cars, endless supply of money, nice house's.....its heaven and if you prayer(vote ) fo9r them you will get a piece of that

      Whuyu - 2011-02-08 08:11

      Preferable, as you say, in an old taxi........Zuma and his cronies to be inside when the taxi is sent to be squashed/destroyed..........good frikkin riddance. I will push the "squash" button.....please !!

      Henryford - 2011-02-08 08:24

      Where's Ray McCauley now

      Podgette - 2011-02-08 09:02

      WESLEY!!! That is brilliant and sadly TRUE!!

      Thangy - 2011-02-08 09:28

      Rev Dr Vukile Mehana has sold his soul to the devil!

      SaintBruce - 2011-02-08 09:48

      At Henryford - Ray Macauley and the Rhema Church said they are formulating a response. Reported in one of the News 24 articles. I think a well worded and researched response is better than a rapid knee-jerk one every time. Much of what could be said has already been said by many Christians and others who are offended by President Zuma's remarks. No amount of spin that it was 'metaphorical' can be accepted simply because you have to look at who he was addressing to gain context and the nature of what was said around these comments and the language used. Until proper transcripts are available ( even many News 24 reports are incomplete and inconsistent) for study, can a suitable response be made. Is that a reasonable approach?

      NotGuilty - 2011-02-08 10:06

      @Henryford- Ray McCauly is too busy cheating and counting money!

      Janaman - 2011-02-08 10:13

      His desperation for votes actually pleases me, but his methods are worthy of execution!!!

      Shabnam Singh - 2011-02-08 12:01

      The devil made him say it!

      Michelle - 2011-02-08 12:42

      Ditto!!

      Zanu - 2011-02-08 13:49

      If the ANC is going 2 heaven... id rather go to hell thanx!

      Perfume - 2011-02-08 19:50

      @Wesley...roflmao!!!!!!!!!! I choked laughing, gonna copy and paste and send this around on email "classic"

      marco - 2011-02-09 15:35

      Now here's the paradox(a statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies logic or intuition)in my humble opinion as to what's really fundamentally wrong with the ANC as a party as a whole and as government and so bear with me for I'm going to take it from the angle of looking at- those that are unemployed and prone to being no good sons of b***hes and they'll still vote ANC-in a bit to make a point or my point in gathering my info:On Bloomberg tv news on 21 January,2011 Tendai Musikavanhu,chief executive officer(CEO)of Old Mutual Global Index Trackers was asked by Lisa Murphy about the country's high unemployment rate and he correctly said that 90% of the 24% unemployed are semi-literate which means they are people that have achieved only an elementary level of ability in reading and writing.And who makes up the majority of this 90% of people who are hardly able to read or write I ask?Well lets see:Global Poverty Research Group made this observation regarding Unemployment,race and poverty in South Africa:(1)African 41.2%,Colored 23.3%,Indian 17.1% and White 6.3%(2)Age Groups 16-24yrs(51.4%)25-35(35.3%)36-45(25.2%)46-55yrs(21.3%)56-64yrs(16.9%)(3)Gender Male 26.2% Female 40.7%(4)Regions-Rural 40.3%,Urban 27.9% are unemployed.So the majority unemployed in SA are of African decent or dare I say it's the black people of SA the very people the ANC is promising heaven if they vote for them.Over 62% of these people unemployed in South Africa at this moment in time have never had a job in their lives before and also 68% of them South Africans at present stay unemployed for more than 1 year at a time the worst ratio of any "modern" country in the world.Noted to on the subject is that African,Coloured,and Indian groups of people have a poorer productive characteristic relative to their Whites South African counterparts according to the analyst which could be brought on by employer discrimination or racial differences in unmeasured determinants such as the quality of education.Bottomline is these are the very people Zuma was targeting with his absurd message of passage to heaven come voting for the ANC.The fact is these poor people are so ****ing stupid or uneducated to think that what he,ZUMA, said ain't true and yet they'll go on and believe him and vote in that way anyway.How sick of the ANC and how desperate aswell to hold on to power to such an extent that they would manipulate and coerced vulnerable people into believing such K@K about heaven.

  • SaintBruce - 2011-02-07 23:09

    The ANC chaplain general responded that there was no way the president could ever insult the religious community "because we respect it" - but he just DID! Taking the Word of God out of context to influence others is immoral in the extreme. To twist the Scriptures for one's own benefit is an Abomination, plain and simple. I call for an open, public apology for the offence caused, Mr President.

      Johan - 2011-02-08 06:26

      Zuma is not the first person to take the word of God and turn it around to help them rule and stay in power longer. Let’s go north way north and look at the Europeans. The popes the kings and queens and princes of old Europe have made sure that what is written in today’s bible will suite them. And most of the Christian society believes in what they changed it into. But I am sure that if Zuma could write he would have changed the bible a bit more

      johnbradfield27 - 2011-02-08 08:59

      @Johan . . you are talking plain k*k. You obviously don't know much about the bible or the history of how it came into being. The information is available. Do some research before you make stupid, unfounded comments about the Bible. Google is your friend.

      Enigma - 2011-02-08 09:37

      johnbradfield27 - Man are You ignorant! Before telling Johan that he is talking nonsense in a rude way, go to Google and a few other sources yourself and read how the Catholic Church and, as Johan says, kings and queens in the middle ages changed the Bible to suit them. Yes, my good friend, it happended.

      simon - 2011-02-08 12:47

      @Enigma True, and you surely are aware of what happened to the church ! Ever heard of Martin Luther??

      Krush - 2011-02-08 13:23

      @Enigma, what parts of the bible have changed? It's a language translation from the original aramaic, hebrew and greek. Can you speak any of these languages fluently? It would be great if you could compare the original scrolls to what is written today. Please provide me with the changes - and please, I'm not looking for copy/paste out of google, I want authentic factual information that can be backed up by what you're saying.

      Other Justin - 2011-02-08 13:33

      Please guys, focus, this is about Zuma not the history of the origins of the bible.

      johnbradfield27 - 2011-02-08 14:29

      @Enigma . . Instead of repeating parrot fashion what other people say why not contribute something? For your information, those who rubbish the Bible are spreading blatant misinformation. You didn't go and look for yourself, did you? Go have a look at this link: http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/history-of-the-bible.htm. It gives a nice summary of the facts. And stop talking k*k about the Bible.

      FD - 2011-02-08 16:17

      I think all those who say Zuma is wrong must turn on their sense of humour and just laugh at this fugurative speech. You guys should take it easy. Believe it or not, there is noway you can sell your product in a negative way. Heaven is known to be a place to be for all believers hence if ANC is as beautiful as Heaven then its a good selling point. Having said that, i only support one campaigns and speak about their party in a positive way only but do not go on and de-campaign others speak bad about them as in the 'Hell' part. But, rem DA and other opposition guys love this - They speak about what they ANC is not doing - concentrate on what you promise to deliver otherwise speak the good things as well coz there are not as bad as these Minority Whiteys think- oh at least for the majority. Its just all about political jargon and am not moved by what they say i already know where my vote goes.

      ohsa.online - 2011-02-08 16:27

      Johan: you are an dirty @$$. Maybe it's time you took a shower, along with your pres shower head hero. Enigma: and you should know better. And Zuma is a heretic and a blasphemer :- Let's see where all these church leaders are now that they are called to action ... Political putzes!!!

      Douglas - 2011-02-08 23:43

      I have no idea why anyone would find fault with what Johan has stated here. The popes, bishops and priests of the Catholic church have taken what is in the Bible, and twisted it (in their church dogmas) to say something the Bible never actually said. They do this mostly by taking an isolated verse or two out of context to suit their own puerile fancies. Jesus told Peter he prayed that his faith would never fail, the Catholic church sees this as meaning the pope is therefore infallible in matters of faith. Voila? Fact is, and it needs to be said, they did not 'change' the Bible (although they tried adding some books to support some of their sillier dogmas). Effectively, what you see in your Bible today is based on ancient manuscripts that date to around 250-350 AD. The writings of the church fathers predate this(dd. 110-250AD) and contain the entire New Testament as we know it today, except for a mere 11 verses. So, nothing in your actual Bible's been filtered out or changed to suit someone's agenda. It's all about the 'interpretation' of the Bible. Clearly, Mr Zuma and his spokespersons painted themselves into a little corner with this one. The more they're trying to wriggle out of it, the sillier they look. Let's hope some of their voter base can see through this act of manipulative desperation. The lengths they have to go to these days...

      Johan - 2011-02-09 06:40

      You are all more than welcome to put your point of view down here and I will try and not call you names or swear at you. I believe in GOD and I believe that Jesus is his son send to earth to give our souls a path to be reunited again with our creator.JohanBradfield27 maybe you are correct in stating that I do not know much about the origins of the bible but I base my statement and my opinion on the bible of what is still happening every Sunday in today’s churches. The first lie ever told to man is still being repeated Sunday after Sunday “You will not die” Your sole will live forever and burn in hell if you do not repent. Well people you pray to an All Mighty GOD but he can’t destroy your sole. Sorry but you pray to the biggest terrorist in the universe then. God never told Adam and Eve that because you sinned you will go to hell (that word never existed in the old Greek or Hebrew language) that was what was changed in the bible and that is why the message of the bible comes across as a dooming message and not a message from an all loving God. Ohsa.online maybe it is your mouth that needs some cleansing?

      Johan - 2011-02-09 07:27

      johnbradfield27: Go Google and when somebody did, your link is the only correct one just because it says what you want it to say. I am starting to wonder who is spreading the stinky message here

      mr.clever.pete - 2011-02-09 13:22

      @johnbradfield27, You are plain stupid and has clearly not phoned your friend Google

      mr.clever.pete - 2011-02-09 13:29

      @johnbradfield27 Take your holy blinkers off and let go of the emotional crutches your religion is bestowing upon yourself. The bible has been tampered with and is NOT the word of any god. It is merely a collection of edited, updated and deleted old scrolls put together by leaders of a tuime 400 years after the events of one freedom fighter called Jesus took on the Romans in the Gaza strip Here's an experiment, go chop off your hand and pray to God to proove that he exists by growing back your hand. Why won't your god heal any amputee? It's because his busy packing boxes for Santa Claus in the Nortg Pole

  • Mundu - 2011-02-07 23:10

    A figure of speech, my ass. Zuma really thinks he and his mates are heading to heaven. However he's got a big surprise coming. What an idiot,he makes me ashamed to be South Africa.

      Heinster - 2011-02-08 07:25

      He knows that he and his friends are going to hell so now he is trying to make heaven for them on earth. Someone should just help him by putting one through his head. Fathers raping their 9 year old daughters while the mothers watches is normal because at the moment in SA anyone can do anything and they will stand trial and whatever comes of it comes of it comes of it and if nothing comes of it then it's fine as well.

      David - 2011-02-08 09:15

      That the reason so many people have left South Africa. Sad, so very sad that our nation can put their future and their family's future in this "Baboons'" hands. Perth. WA.

      ISHMIZA - 2011-02-08 10:31

      David "Many people" no facts

      Jamesons - 2011-02-08 16:54

      I think the whole world laughs at us as a country

  • SharkBait - 2011-02-07 23:12

    What the banana republic president said cannot be taken as figurative speech. It's just another ploy to get votes. But what 'contacts' does he have? He is an atheist!!

  • Ndi Mainganye - 2011-02-07 23:15

    Sad thing is that 60% of the population that support him are dumb enough to believe what he says is true.

      Bill - 2011-02-07 23:38

      That's being conservative Ndi, likely more like 90%

      John Wilderness - 2011-02-08 04:20

      Bill from the stupidity of your remark we could gather that you are one of that 90% ? what makes you think that 90% of the population believes what JZ says ?

      Felix - 2011-02-08 08:22

      'of the population that support him'

      DeonL - 2011-02-08 08:35

      John I think Bill is talking of Zuma's supporters which are just less than 66% of the population of active voters. At least DA rules here in the Cape.

      ArtGee - 2011-02-08 08:39

      62% of the Nation, supports a man, elected as a President, and SADLY only has a Std 3 Education!!!! Now who is the STUPID LOT HERE???? Given what he told them.... they WILL vote for him again in fear of nding up in HELL!!! SAD!

      soski - 2011-02-08 15:58

      Ndi you are so right and sad to say as a black person zuma and his clang take advantage of the fact that black dont read. its sad that people are brain washed to the fact that anc led us out of the then bad conditions we fail to see that its going to be worse

  • George - 2011-02-07 23:23

    Idiot!

  • maseratifitt - 2011-02-07 23:32

    They must think we are dumb.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-02-08 00:57

      Clearly you're not one of their supporters - who they KNOW are...

  • Bill - 2011-02-07 23:36

    Here we go again!!!!... ANC Damage Control To little to late, Rev Dr Vukile Mehana, People are getting sick and tired of the ANC cover-ups that follow because of foolish public conduct! Why don't you rather sit Mr Zuma down and explain to him that what comes out of his mouth, as a President, at an official speech, will be considered to be of a factual nature and therefore taken seriously by the less gullible, than to the uninitiated to whom he preaches directly! Tell him to THINK before he blabbers publicly. If that is possible! I think Zuma and Malema have being partying together to much lately, because he is starting to adopt Malema's habits! If President Zuma has any ethics and self respect for religion, he would apologise publicly, as many have rightfully asked him to do. If President Obama made that statement, he would be impeached! SA should be no different.

      richard - 2011-02-08 02:03

      Bill this man is so illiterate, he will will most probably think impeach means peaches up the arse.

      pointblankza - 2011-02-08 09:36

      There you go, the right wingers sticking things up asses again....

  • Bartman - 2011-02-07 23:38

    The Rev Mehana will obviously back his leader and make excuses for him, or he will get his ass fired. Thats what this regime is all about excuses, non delivery and false promises. I hope they have lost a bit of face with some of their supporters, every little counts.

  • Stofbolletji - 2011-02-07 23:40

    "We are also of the view that those who are 'alarmed' by his expression are probably driven by jealousy for not having thought of the expression." That statement is the lowest low I have ever experienced in South African politics.I am deeply saddened by how this makes us look to the outside world and am hoping that the realise it is the ANC.

      MKGirl - 2011-02-08 07:09

      its sad to think that all they can come up to counter with is always "they must be jealous".

      robertgunning - 2011-02-08 08:04

      You're right. It's patronising, insulting and sounds like something a stubborn 10 year old kid would say.

  • wflouw - 2011-02-07 23:43

    Nonsence! Total Rubish - Zuma was not quoted out of context. Every word that comes from his lips are carefully calculated and weighed. This is just another ANC propoganda! This smacks of 2nd world war like tacktics and clearly illustrates the ANC's intentions. If they did not anticipate the outcry assosiated with that message they truly have to be blibbering idiots! This is just another red-faced dumb-arsed utterance. Lets hope the people are smarter than that - the proof is in the pudding. Since the ANC's rule the entire country has digressed. Just look at the disasters regarding water affiars, public health etc. the list goes on and on!

  • Jeremy - 2011-02-08 00:15

    I think thats all he could say to get votes - he cant say vote for ANC to get a job - or better service delivery - or better public service. He had to resort to this because they have NOTHING else to offer in return for votes. He is pathetic, the ANC is a crumbling outhouse and thats why they are desperate and resort to saying things like this.

  • cedb00 - 2011-02-08 00:16

    Here is what you people don't understand. This is typical ANC politics. Those very people who were in the audiance only heard what Zuma said, and none of them are now following this debate. He knows what he did was wrong, but he got what he wanted. He also knows that whatever outcry resulted from this, the people whom he wanted to influence, were influenced. They have no access to this form of media, and they do not read "white newspapers". And he, and the ANC, know this.

      Willem - 2011-02-08 09:00

      And they call this "free and fair elections"?!

  • Circuswatch - 2011-02-08 00:36

    Old JZ must really be the idiot of idiots. He has broken just about every one of the ten commandments (maybe murder not reported yet) and he still believes he's going to heaven? Wake up JZ and smell the fires of hell. You'll be in good company there with all the other rapists, adulterers, extortionists, common thieves, liars, conmen etc. You can also look forward to meeting Satans right hand assistant, old Winnie "MyDickySmella" who can take you on the tour of ANC gathering points and accomadation ... hehehe. This is ofcourse if you believe in this heaven/hell kak and are not just conning the poor idiots who actually believe YOU are God.

  • Joe - 2011-02-08 00:42

    I don't think Zuma understands what exactly gets you into heaven, and what gets you to the roaster with the fork. Zuma and the ANC's lack of leadership abilities causing the genocide of people based on race is getting Zuma and his incompetent cronies on the fast track to HELL. There is NO WAY Zuma and his ANC fat0cats will EVER get into heaven. Besides, you need a SOUL to survive death.

  • braveinternetguy - 2011-02-08 01:06

    "We are also of the view that those who are 'alarmed' by his expression are probably driven by jealousy for not having thought of the expression." What? This is the worst journalism I've ever seen! How can a reporter just make up some utter rubbish and have it published 'as the words of our Governing Party's spokesperson'? Mr Mthembu should sue the pants off of these guys!

  • richard - 2011-02-08 01:55

    It sounds to me that the spokesperson and the chaplin are already bowing, maybe they want to make sure they get in place in the ANC heaven of money, sex and lies. They must just be careful to bent over.

      pointblankza - 2011-02-08 09:37

      Another reference to anal sex... dude drop the name Richard, you an embarrasment..

  • Dave - 2011-02-08 02:09

    It's a laugh a minute! The three stooges = Zuma, Cele and Malema. Watch out Leon Schuster there's much more to come!

  • Pat - 2011-02-08 02:23

    The spin doctors have claimed that the statement “when you vote for the ANC you choose to go to heaven,” must be taken figuratively like “today is a heavenly day,” but there is no doubt about the identity of the “man who carries a fork and eats people.” President Zuma is in violation of the constitution which separates Church and State, and he is also in violation of the Bible which teaches that the ONLY way to go to heaven is through the Lord Jesus Christ, so I urge President Zuma to ask forgiveness for his blasphemous statement.

  • utopian indi - 2011-02-08 02:31

    These are just words, and they will be rationalised like every other government gaffe because we're not really a democratic soceity. The race card will be played if the outrage continues. Even worse, the theological outrage will neither reach nor be understood at grassroots level. And even worse, the issue is not really understood by the government, that is why he made the remark. Nothing will come of any complaints and this is a waste of time, but it is simply just sad. It is sad to live in a country where the President does not have a clue about the predominant religion of the country, and neither does his government or chaplain.

  • asiseeit - 2011-02-08 02:59

    What Zuma said has cost him more votes than any opposition party ever wanted, GOD works in mysterious ways.

      Wes - 2011-02-08 05:07

      What they don't realize is when you are in a position of authority you are held accountable for what you say and do and as you say God works in mysterious ways.

      Picasso - 2011-02-08 07:09

      Lol, asiseeit, you think? The majority of ANC voters probably read pro-ANC papers, don't have internet and believe everything their 'father' tells them. Now, let's see if Desmond Tutu is willing to say something.

      Perfume - 2011-02-08 20:13

      @asiseeit, he will wish that he never vomited those words out of his mouth!!!!! Too late to say it was taken out of context :)

  • SharkBait - 2011-02-08 03:19

    It is sad to see that in a country that cannot even find common ground on its racial issues, Zuma now uses religion to attempt to seperate races (because let's face it, politics in SA is still divided by race). When lady Zuma was Minister of Health, ZUMA stood for Zero Understanding of Medical Affairs. JZ has zero understanding of ANYTHING!

      Prime_Evil - 2011-02-08 07:32

      That is so true Sharkie

  • Frik - 2011-02-08 03:31

    Fred.......The ANC suporters are so primitive and superstitious ,they again will vote in their millions for their Voodoo party

  • ds - 2011-02-08 03:43

    john 3-6 3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]” 4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!” 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit.

  • IBI - 2011-02-08 04:10

    Sounds very similar to the actinos of the Roman Catholic church during the Middle Ages when you could pay for your ticket out of hell. Nobody complained then (oops, sorry, they were all killed) Zuma is very shrewd to pray on the gullible to get votes. He did it in the past. I would like to see the traffic jam of the ANC trying to get through heaven's gates, solely on the strength of a piece of paper. A big surprise is waiting.... in the meantime, back to reality: if voters do fall for the trick, it only proves the level on which they operate.

  • Tc - 2011-02-08 04:35

    Firstly, Zuma's utterances are an absolute disgrace! Secondly, Rev Dr Vukile Mehana, supposedly a man of the cloth, stands up and tells a further lie to defend Zuma! a Further disgrace!

  • JP - 2011-02-08 04:52

    You dont mock GOD,Galatians 6:7 'Be not be deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sow, that shall he also reap..

      Wes - 2011-02-08 05:38

      What they don't realize is when you are in a position of authority you are held accountable for what you say and do.

  • David - 2011-02-08 05:03

    A child talking to chil brains. its an act of a desperate fool!

  • AJ - 2011-02-08 05:09

    Well it's not like he can campaign on a platform of service delivery and crime prevention with economic growth because a) this is untrue and b) the people he is talking to have no idea of these concepts. Therefore you resort to Plan B - emotional rubbish playing on loyalty and religious propoganda.

  • Retha - 2011-02-08 05:39

    What a sad statement from a 'going to be so sorry' man. Eish is there no end to his empty promises. Blasphemy are not looked upon nicely in heaven Mr President - be careful.

      Johan - 2011-02-09 19:06

      Retha I am not a Zuma supporter at all but with your statement here....What are you going to do if you get to heaven and there is Zuma sitting and enjoying himself? Are you going to ask for a transfer downstairs? Are you going to criticize God for letting him in? Or do you believe that Zuma won’t be there like so many people believe that Hitler won’t be there?

  • Francois - 2011-02-08 05:41

    The ANC has a chaplain general??? Rev Dr Vukile Mehana, where were you when you had to say to the party, before the arms deal: "Thou shall not steal" or before Zuma accused the Third Wors of impregnating Khoza'a daughter by saying: "Thou shall not commit adultery?" Or by speaking up to Malama. You are a paid crony who like the prophets in Micah's time, got paid to tell the people what the wanted to hear and not what they needed to hear. Christians of SA don't vote ANC and all people in SA don't buy lottery tickets (Chaplain general - that is what you must actually say, you hypocrite). Money for the lottery is used to pay for Malema's drunken parties and to fly communists, who killed millions of innocent people around the world, around South Africa.

  • corro51 - 2011-02-08 05:44

    Zuma's heaven : No jobs, nepotism, declining manufacturing sector due in part to liberal labour law, corruption, high crime. Sounds like absolute heaven to me.

  • Mark - 2011-02-08 06:03

    How about blowing yourself up in the next ANC meeting.....you will also go to heaven AND get 7 virgins....what a bargain

  • Allin - 2011-02-08 06:13

    The ANC has a chaplain general? If so, I suppose it is time for Swaziland to acquire a nuclear submarine now...

      Meaning todo - 2011-02-08 09:21

      And Zimbabwe has 10 Frigates - Lets all go there heaven, but all their citizens are seeking our heaven. TUT TUT

  • Beverley - 2011-02-08 06:21

    What God has given, He can also take away!

  • waynet59 - 2011-02-08 06:23

    Zuma is a chop,take that any way you want to.

  • Bashful1 - 2011-02-08 06:23

    Public apology in all 11 official languages so that the idiots who believe him know that he's talking rubbish. They're so cunning, he'll only apologise in English, so that his supporters don't understand and realise that he's a liar.

      soski - 2011-02-08 16:07

      i couldnt help but laugh at this you are so right

  • Expat_IRI - 2011-02-08 06:25

    Some people have the vocabulary to sum up things in a way you can understand them. This quote came from the Czech Republic. Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do. "The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President.

      Kenko - 2011-02-08 10:06

      Oh shit now you got me scared. I thought that chipping away at the voter base would help, but we are fighting a loosing battle. The stupidity is hereditary and too deeply ingrained.

  • Bernard - 2011-02-08 06:26

    Anyone can flap their mouth, what freaks me about this, is that his actions are nothing short of blasphemy... GOD is perfect, and how dare he attempt to usurp, His high & holy station!

  • Mike - 2011-02-08 06:26

    What would you expect from a pig, but a grunt!

      nhla.prv - 2011-02-08 07:57

      i guess you munch the bacon !!

      elocnica - 2011-02-08 09:14

      Pigs taste nice especially when they are crispy fried and served withh egg and tomato. Hmmmm I can just smell the aroma coming up from that hot place

  • Graham - 2011-02-08 06:28

    So according to the ANC heaven has no clean water, toilets, rubbish sits on the gold paved roads and most people are on strike. I am looking forward to hell in the Western Cape.

      moiraine - 2011-02-08 07:10

      people are murdered in their beds, hijacked, raped, children are raped to cure AIDS, government steals all the peoples money. I dont remember being promised all of that in the Bible

  • ernieversong - 2011-02-08 06:32

    It makes less sense in a figure of speech. Is Zuma actually implying that the ANC is any good? Or is he saying that the ANC governed South Africa is heavenly? Quite ironic when there are signboards on the roads saying: "BEE - Now Fully Black Powered"

  • skollie - 2011-02-08 06:35

    FLATNOSE ZUMS is going to hell in a Cablecar.

  • BigD - 2011-02-08 06:36

    Wow Zuma. You have really put both your feet in your mouth again. Your speech is really showing how your party is panicing. Any time you mock Jesus like this, you will be punished and those who agree with you.

  • brian.enslin - 2011-02-08 06:38

    The comments by Zuma obviously indicate what his general perception of ordinary South African citizens is, that they are all stupid, uneducated, gullible and outright ignorant. What he said is an insult to all. However people will not understand that the very president they vot for has little respect for his people. He sees them as blind little sheep following his every whim. I wish people could recognise this and understand that there president feels nothing for them. No self respecting president would use religous banter to manipulate the votes of the people. The fact that our president chose to only shows what he thinks of ordinary citizens - stupid little sheep.

  • Madala Mhlop - 2011-02-08 06:39

    If it was interpreted as a figure of speech, the listeners would recognise the lie - there are too many ANC supporters living in abject poverty - that is hell!

  • Francois - 2011-02-08 06:42

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  • foitapoilet - 2011-02-08 06:43

    African National Cockroaches. I wonder if the Rev has his bed on bricks too? Tokkalosi, muti, Sangoma, Heaven.... blah blah blah. All a bunch of idiots with nice suits. Pity there is not a big enough can of Doom to spray over the Union Buildings!

  • chris.debeer1 - 2011-02-08 06:43

    I believe that anybody living under ANC corruption rule deserves to go to heaven, They already had hell. Maybe that was what he was trying to carry across??

  • Dame D - 2011-02-08 06:50

    Hahahahah, talk about promising heaven and earth... Yet another undeliverable promise from the powers that be.